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agaugust:
[s]IPVs are usually like speed boats dummy, or you use Frigate as IPV for inshore shallow waters patrol? Fool.

Nigeria bought 100 IPVs in 3 months , South Africa is still seeking to buy 3 IPVs in 23 years

India signed a long term joint operation deal with Nigerian navy, but for you, they gave 1 week visiting visas [/s]
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lol, maybe in Nigeria an IPV is a speed boat

Not in RSA - ours will be 50-60m with a 30mm cannon, VTOL-UAV's and dragged sonar array... you got anything like that?

No?

Ok

Henry240:
Is this why your fleet is 50% obsolete?


3 IPVs equals 50% of your navy fleet.

You claimed your non-existent project biro is meant to replace half your obsolete fleet, not me.


Project biro calls for the replacement of 3 IPVs.


You shot yourself in both feet, not me.

Ok, so where does it say Biro calls for only 3 ships?

Henry240:
You know india invited us to carry out joint training exercises with their special forces.


So not only do we get to jointly design and build 2 ships, our special forces get to train regularly with each other.


That's what we call a kung-fu by pass of the SAN!

1. We allready train with their SF, and have annual full spectrum military exercises

2. Weird, India does not build the ships you have agreed to build with them

So by "bypass" you actually mean "sign an agreement South Africa signed ~6 years ago"

Henry240:
Buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


Every month is a project biro for the Nigerian navy!


Hopelessness of the South-African navy.

Really?

Last I checked you only got 2 new OPV's (not 3)... and you didnt build either of them

And you have yet to buy brand new IPV's

O, yeah mean in terms of tiny boats and ancient rust buckets? lol, Yeah i guess so then

agaugust:
For what? I proved you wrong.

You are a known liar all over Nairaland

You proved me wrong?

Ok, what are you going to do when I quote where:

1. the source was posted here before
2. the source says they are cheaper?

Tell me what you will do and I will post it straight away

Henry240:
LMFAO!!!

That icon is sooo hilarious!!!!

Still celebrating your discovery of the obvious?

Omg, you guys really are desperate.

Henry240:
Andrewza confirms this.


Project biro does not exist. Can we please discuss vessels that actually exist...... Like your obsolete, half naval fleet?

Quote where he confirmed it.

Last time you said that he himself called you out for telling lies!

Project Biro is nearing completion, deal with it.

And what of your 90% obsolete fleet?

Henry240:
Mumu,


Address the issue and stop moving goal post. Why do you need the tiny nation of cuba to repair the vehicles you claim to have manufactured yourselves?

Cubans are cheaper than private sector

We have told you this half a dozen times.

Henry240:
Half your fleet, 3 vessels...... Lolz, that's half your fleet( LMFAO) ...... is obsolete.

Why is this?

Where are you getting this number of "3" from?

Dude, it is now quite obvious that you dont actually have anything left in this discussion.

agaugust:
Bang ! Super !

But you yourself said it was a 60 year old scrap iron ship!

Henry240:
Completely digital!!


I know you don't understand what a digital ship is seeing half of your your fleet which comprises 3 solitary vessels is obsolete.

4 Valour Class
3 Type 209SAN

But yeah, keep parading your 60 year old ship around.. i am sure you will impress someone eventually

Are you so intellectually barren that you are sticking to your whole "SAN has only 6 ships" or "Biro is only getting 3" argument?

Really bro? Really?

Henry240:
[s]Zulus who aren't smart enough to repair common trucks, cannot in their lifetime hope to build facilities such as this. It just won't happen.


......And this is not even our largest facility.[/s]

Epic Strawman you built yourself.

Pity even the birds can see it for what it is.

agaugust:
[s]Nigeria is buying 1 new Survey vessel and building 1 news Landing Ship 2016.

Nigeria just bought brand new 100 IPVs in 3 months of 2016, Jan-Feb-Mar 2016....you have not bought 3 IPVs after 15 years of struggle on project Biro....your navy is dead, that is why India bypassed you to sign maritime security working deal with Nigeria.[/s]

Nigeria bough 100 speed boats

India bypassed us? Really? So is that why we are on our way to India and China for exercises and you are not?

Henry240:
Inside NNS Okpabana

And this proves what?

You have navigational equipment made in the last 15 years and a pair of binoculars?

WOW
CLAP
SO IMPRESSED

Henry240:
[s]How can foreigners be imported to fix your own vehicles?


It simply means there are simply no Zulus out of a 54 million population remotely intelligent enough to fix your military vehicles. This is a national security issue.[/s]

So, let me get this straight

YOU say that your argument is absurd

But now you continue to make the same argument?

Citations have been posted as to why the Cubans are here, stop wasting our time with your childishness.

Only 7 operational NAF platforms, only 50% naval operational fleet, soldiers using 40 y/o ammunition... now those are National security issues

agaugust:
[s]
Dude, THALES is an European company owned by France. They only opened branch in South Africa. They own you actually. If France withdraws the technology you import from them, THALES South Africa will collapse totally.

Your long list of SA defence industries is mostly full of those producing police batons, uniforms, kit, etc

The only strong companies are Denel, German Rheinmetall, French THALES, Swedish SAAB Grintech. The rest are too tiny.

Meanwhile, check out Nigeria's shipyards where we make IPVs, MPVs and soon to build a Landing Ship LST !!!

I am sure you never expected such huge manufacturing and maintenance industry to be in Nigeria. Shock you !!![/s]
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Empty words insult no one

Henry240:
Evidence has been posted, Andrewza, your navy sailor also confirms project biro is an apartheid era project.


Search the archives


Project biro which doesn't even exist seeks to replace 3 IPVs.

We know half your fleet is supposed to be replaced,

In essence 3 vessels represents South-Africa's navy fleet.

LMFAO


This is beyond pathetic!

Where was the evidence posted?

AndrewZA disagreed with you as well

Project Biro seeks 3 IPV's and 3 OPV's as well as 1 Survey vessel.

In essence you are being ridiculous... which means we have reached that stage of the argument again, where you have run out of ammunition and have to start being ludicrous in order to keep posting.

agaugust:
30 year old obsolete ship, big metal junk

So then NNS Thunder and Okobugugug are both 60 year old obsolete ships, big metal junk ;

OMG THINK BEFORE YOU POST!

Henry240:
Zulus got no brains. The SANDF has to import mechanics from a tiny island to fix vehicles 54 million South-Africans cannot fix.


Their own products.... They need foreigners to repair their own products.

So absurd!

Yes, it is absurd because your argument is absurd!

Thus, since you now realize you are being absurd, you are now prepared to realize that is not why they were imported!

agaugust:
30 year old obsolete ship, big metal junk

agaugust:
30 year old obsolete ship, big metal junk

So thats what you are going to do?

You called me a liar

When I told you the info had been posted again you called me a liar again

When you realized I had posted it before you quickly changed topics.

Apologize faggit

Henry240:
Address the issue.

Why is half the South-African navy fleet obsolete?

Project biro is an apartheid era project, it is still a paper project. You cannot replace ships with papers, it just can't happen.

I will address the issue when you show me that Project Biro is an Apartheid ear project

agaugust:
[s]Nope, you NEVER posted it !

Each Cuban mechanic is paid 360,000 Rands per year plus free house, free transport, and free mobile phone, How many Zulu mechanics earn that much? Even your senior army officers earn far less than that !

100 Cuban mechanics X 360,000 Rands X 3 years...add free house, free transport, free mobile phones....Show me a Zulu mechanic tat earns that much in his life time !!!!!

SANDF is paying Cuba heavily because South African defence industry CANNOT repair it's own Samil truck product, you need Cuban help[/s]
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What are you going to do when I quote where it was posted before?

agaugust:
[s]Show us proof that foreign expatriates paid in US Dollars are cheaper than Zulus paid in Rands.

South Africa has NO mechanics capable of repairing the SAMIL trucks, your own home made defence products

Show us proof that the Cubans are cheaper, show us the salary scale evidence or a source that confirms it. Liar.[/s]

been posted before

Stop wasting my time.

Henry240:
Patrick Lawd knows you have no shame!!



So 3 vessels equals half the South-African Navy fleet. Buhahahahahahahahahaha


Final stages of what, the apartheid government sent in motion project biro, heitman says you have no money.


Are you supposed to fund the acquisition using voodoo?


We've seen the interior of NNS Okpabana, it is a highly digital vessel, more advanced than your patrol corvettes.


Anyway, that's by the way, we talking about the half obsolete fleet of the SA navy.


Why is half your fleet obsolete?

8 vessels equals half the fleet

Project Biro was not set into motion by them... or else we would have got them in 1998

Where did Heitman say we have no money? Does Heitman work for the Navy or Treasury?

NNS Okpabana is obsolete in every sense of the term

Half our fleet is obsolete because it is old, and is being replaced.

Do you want me to list the obsolete vessels of your fleet? ok!

NNS Aradu (F89) -obsolete
NNS Thunder (F90) -obsolete
NNS Andoni (P100) -obsolete
NNS Ekpe (P178) -obsolete
NNS Damisa (P179) -obsolete
NNS Agu (P180) -obsolete
NNS Siri (P181) -obsolete
NNS Ayam (P182) -obsolete
NNS Ekun (P183) -obsolete
NNS Burutu (P174) -obsolete
NNS Zaria (P173) -obsolete
NNS Kyanwa (A 501) -obsolete
NNS Ologbo (A 502) -obsolete
NNS Nwamba (A 503) -obsolete
NNS Obula (A 504) -obsolete
NNS Ohue (M371) -obsolete
NNS Barama (M372) -obsolete
NNS Ambe (LST1312) -obsolete

henry, why is 90% of your fleet obsolete? Why is 50% of that non-operational?

agaugust:
http://www.nigerdock.com/operations/shipyardservices

Your link tells us none of your claims.

Liar.

agaugust:
You make Rooivalk engines? Badger engine is from Finland. REVA, Casspir and other MRAP engines are from Germany....and so on !

SA defence industry is NOT self sustaining, you are as exposed to risk of war time arms embargo as any other African country
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Yet we built the Rooivalk, Casspir and other MRAPS during the Arms embargoes.

Think before you post.

Henry240:
Technologically advanced, how?

Self sustainable, how?



Is smoking weed in South-Africa legal?


How is a defence industry which relies on europe for 80% of all components and China for 70% of it's steel self sustaining?

citation needed

Henry240:
Point out were he said that?


He said half your fleet is obsolete


He also said you don't have the money to prosecute your defence review or any serious capital expenditure.


So jillingy, tell the world why the most "advanced" military in africa have half of it's navy fleet obsolete?

It is obvious that is what he is referring to.

He says many things, but he does not know how the SANDF has accounted for funds. We dont release tenders that we cannot pay for.

Half our fleet is obsolete and is being replaced, the other half is the most advanced in SSA

Henry240:
Your project biro is at least 23years old.


Patrick so you hide the information from us that half your fleet is obsolete all this time.


Heitman says you don't have the money, project biro only exists on paper.


Why is half your fleet of Navy assets obsolete?

Project Biro is not 23 years old.

I hid information? Its obvious that they are obsolete!!

Project biro has been accounted for, and tenders are ready to be issued.

Why is all of your navy but 2 vessels obsolete?

agaugust:
Nope, liar !

According to the official website of SAAB Grintek, the company is 100% SAAB of Sweden technology imported into South Africa, they have similar branches in Australia too !!!!

"Saab AB-Sweden serves the global market with world leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defense to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customer’s changing needs. Research, development and production are carried out in Sweden, South Africa and Australia.

Saab in South Africa has capabilities ranging from electronic warfare, sensor technology, command & control systems, training systems, radio communication equipment, aviation, telecommunications and support solutions."

http://www.saabgrintek.com/about.php

Glory thieves, they want to steal Sweden's technology and call it proudly made in South Africa, later you will say you built Gripen jet and you built Volvo automobiles ! Thieves of Soweto !
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Why did SAAB buy Grintek? For fun?

Henry240:
You spend most of that money on anti-retroviral drugs.


Still doesn't explain why half your navy fleet is obsolete.

A full half....... Buhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

A full half that is in the final stages of being replaced.

At least we dont buy obsolete ships - 60 year old cutters, 40 year old irish patrol boats

agaugust:
[s]How is SA self sustainable? You import ALL vehicle engines for your MRAPs and IFV....you also import Cuban mechanics to teach SANDF how to repair your own SAMIL trucks that you claimed to have built locally, but need white Cuban boys to teach you how to repair and maintain your own product[/s]

# FVCKING WRECKED

1. So says we import all engines?

2. We use cubans because they are cheaper than local mechanics

The only thing that was "wrecked" was your own argument, or lack thereof

agaugust:
[s]You spend most of your money buying huge quantities of expensive anti-HIV drugs for your 30 battalions of half-dead HIV infected soldiers and paying fat salaries and wages to idle soldiers who fight no war, 99% of SANDF sleeps at home jobless[/s]

False figures insult no one