₦airaland Forum

iblawi:
Pls Stop posting old rubbish here. This is 2009 stuff.

Do you even know how many changes we've make since 2014 not to talk of 6 years ago.

agaugust:
Yes, SAAF Gripen will need extra speed to try in vain to run away from NAF JF-17 Thunder PL-12 BVR missiles !
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agaugust:
I am the one that opened your eyes to jets running away at escape speed, you never knew that before, so say than you to me for the free education....Nigerians lecture South Africans for free, say thank you white boy...say it

agaugust:
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Gripen jet accident numbers....11 jets crashed

JF-17 jet accident numbers....1 jet crashed

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agaugust:
You need official Gripen SAAB data to challenge me. Gripen speed is 2,200 km/h

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=67
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JF-17 Thunder's PL-12 missile speed is mach 4.....5,000 km/h....no escape for Gripen jet ![/size]

https://forceindia.net/forceJuly2015images/Air-Marshal-Chopra-1.jpg

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agaugust:
You thought jet speed if for air racing like Olympics. I just showed you that missiles wipe off the extra jet speed, so you can learn about real air to air combat, Nigerians are your teachers on nairaland
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agaugust:
America's two main IFVs are the Bradley and LAV III...over 10,000 units of both vehicles and the standard armament is 25mm cannon + ATGM + Grenade launcher.

That is the modern concept. Badger IFV is as obsolete as SANDF....Nigeria has the most modern IFV in Africa, BTR-4
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Badger is obsolete.

agaugust:
No matter how fast, a missile will catch up with it and kill it. Speed wont save any jet from a modern missile, even PL-9 missile on F-7 jet has a missile speed of mach 3... that is 3,800 km/h !

PL-12 missile on JF-17 Thunder has speed of mach 4....about 5,000 km/h....no jet will speed up to escape that !

Extra speed is a waste of effort in modern air battles with super fast missiles attacking the jets.

agaugust:
When was the last time 4th gen jets fought since year 2000 Badme war of East Africa?

Today, ECCM has advanced and missiles will be challenged by 2014 generation self protection suites on jets.

Gripen will NOT defeat PL-10 fifth generation missile with countermeasures
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agaugust:
When was the last time 4th gen jets fought since year 2000 Badme war of East Africa?

Today, ECCM has advanced and missiles will be challenged by 2014 generation self protection suites on jets.

Gripen will NOT defeat PL-10 fifth generation missile with countermeasures
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agaugust:
Citation needed for your opinion.

When both jets neutralize each other's missiles with counter measures, gun battle will start. JF-17 beats Gripen in cannon firepower.

In a gun fight, the JF-17 will fire on Gripen from above, the Gripen cannot climb up to the JF-17's superior altitude
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agaugust:
Dummy, F-22 is also a stealth jet and it's speed is mach 2....F-35 stealth jet speeds at mach 1.6 like JF -17 Thunder....you fool !

agaugust:
The fools do not understand difference between budget amount and open order numbers. It works in batches, countries do open order for say 18 jets and start budget or payment in batches of 3 or 6 at a time. Even super rich Algeria with huge budget, took a few years to get all their Su-30 jets, it signed open order with Russia and paid by installments, and got the jets in batches over a period of years.

Universal procurement model used around the world. Even defenceweb said NAF will sign for one or two squadrons, did not say they will pay for all at once.

The Southies here know it, but they are too hurt to admit....Beechcraft ISTAR + Diamond ISR + ATR-42 MPA/ISTAR/ELINT/AWACS + Alpha Jet + L-39 jet + F-7NI + JF-17 Thunder.....is that not enough to drive a South African into mental epilepsy?


These Southie guys are badly hurt today, bruised, wounded, bleeding, ashamed....shell shocked, afraid, fearful...half dead !
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agaugust:
Same way your Southie friend cherry picked on speed, I responded with altitude. Simple.

agaugust:
[size=14pt] Your SAAF Pilatus have not been armed for over a decade and will NEVER be [/size]

NAF has dozens Alpha jets and Albatross jet for trainers. Our Super Mushak will replace the Super Tucano we cancelled in 4th Gen COIN role

Go die of envy....ALL Southies go die ! Oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Nigeria, all fly Super Mushak, big league !
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Henry240:
- We said we are close to signing a contract for 25- 40 JF-17s.


- We said we are interested in Tucanos

- We said we are interested in Scorpions


Hope you can spot the difference?

Weird how you would sign a deal for 3... and buy them... but not sign a deal for 40

Henry240:
.......But they aren't making the claims you are making.

agaugust:
Both roles, trainer + COIN that is what the Super Mushak is built for....it's a bad day for you, NAF is flying above SAAF with new aircraft rolling in to rock the skies and contest the Sub Saharan African airspace with ANYBODY !

"Missiles and gunpods of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex's aircraft

The MFI-395 is fitted with six hardpoints under the wing pylons. The inner two stressed hardpoints can carry up to 150kg each. The remaining four carry rockets, gunpods and Bofor Bantam anti-tank missiles."


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mfi-395-super-mushshak-trainer-aircraft/

Go die of envy....ALL Southies go die !
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Henry240:
........ But you haven't provided any proof to support your claim.


Why don't you provide evidence?

agaugust:
Can JAS Gripen Junk Aircraft Systems....JAS means Junk Aircraft Systems....can Gripen match JF-17 that flies at 52,000 feet, higher by 2,000 feet above the Gripen?

agaugust:
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Nigerian military procurement process is still ONGOING and they can change one thing and replace with another thing.

Super Tucano has been replaced with Super Mushashak 4th Generation COIN aircraft for NAF !

SAAF has NO SINGLE dedicated COIN aircraft.

Southies go die of ENVY...

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/7179/images/143220/large/2-image.jpg

https://www.pafwallpapers.com/aircraft_gallery/Mushshak_gallery/mfi-17_super_mushak_trainer_pakistan_air_force_04_cockpit_garmin_instrumentation.jpg

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Henry240:
In essence, you have no evidence to support you claim that the Nigerian government made purchase orders it didn't follow up with.



Ok..... Thanks for been 5% honest, we are making progress.

Henry240:
So interest in now equals purchase?......... Is this what you were taught in your soweto schools?

agaugust:
The newspaper is not Nairaland argument forum, it does not intend to make list of any details for argument with fools like you

The source quotes the word Reconnaissance and it summarizes it all, and it was used in combat ops for recce. Proved.

NAF now has ...

[s]3 Beechcraft 350i Reconnaissance

2 Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR

2 Diamond D42 ISR[/s]

2 ATR-42 MPA/ISTAR/ELINT/secondary role AWACS 407 km range radar

10 F-7 jets

3 JF-17 jets [s]likely with BVR missiles, anti-radar, and anti-ship missiles like the Pakistani air force.[/s]

SAAF is dead on arrival....6 pilots for Gripen jet with no combat qualified pilots and no BVR missiles in 10 years

https://pafwallpapers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/zhuhai14-14.jpg
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Henry240:
What did we say buy, and didn't buy?


Furnish us with examples.

FighterPilot:
JF are some of the fighters which have been smuggled to 4 gen family.

agaugust:
At the date of the publication or assessment, NN had not bought Falcon Eye and the new missile crafts on order. It has become an outdated publication, 2016 has changed EVERYTHING about that ranking.

agaugust:
LOL...NO ! Never ! Who wants SAAF aircraft that has analog cockpit ?

Even the Beechcraft 350i transports that we bought in 2014 have been re-configured for RECONNAISSANCE to join the earlier two Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR we had before.....We are besting you with a whole fleet of modern ISTAR aircraft plus JF-17 Thunder backing them up !

" The recent air operation against the BHTs was commanded by the Chief of the Air Staff, CAS, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar from NAF reconnaissance aircraft, the King Air 350i. The CAS coordinated the various NAF platforms involved in the operation to provide close air support to ground forces, led by the Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen Tukur Buratai, as they advance from Dikwa to Gamboru Ngala."

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/188868-nigerian-air-force-intercepts-destroys-boko-haram-transport-trucks.html

agaugust:
Thanks for confirming that JF-17 replaces F-16.

agaugust:
Show us where Argentina signed contract or budgeted cash for Kfir jet......and the Kfir has AESA radar so it beats even your SAAF Gripen !
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Henry240:
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