₦airaland Forum

iblawi:
You always believe nonsense. Even the amount we accused dasuki of stealing is more than what your source quoted. Dasuki was accused of stealing $2.1 billion.

Your budget is outlined in the article that discusses the acquisition of the JF-17

It's $1,6 billion

And Dasuki has been charged with stealing $1 million
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN0UJ24Y20160105?irpc=932

AugustineAgain:
Nope, it is SANDF Link Za that messed up big time, according to South African experts FINAL TECHNICAL REPORT

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf


You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished
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1. So naval officer confirms it is operational


The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242

2. Paper outlines how it was integrated

This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability.


Again, read things before you post them

AugustineAgain:
Nope defenceweb is wrong he is being wrong like you guys too are wrong, most South Africans beleve Link Za is working accross platforms, but the TECHNICAL REPORT SAYS NO !!?

You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished.

Show me another technical report that cancels this one, not fairy tales from ordinary journalists on defenceweb magazine ...

Augustus

Have you read the abstract of the technical paper you posted here?

The paper outlines how the platforms were integrated


This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability.

Also, you are saying that Navy Flag Officer Fleet, Rear Admiral Robert “Rusty” Higg has no idea about his own vessels?

You messed up big time with your source

AugustineAgain:
That report of 2009 was the FINAL result after fully developing, testing, installing, deploying, and operating the LINK ZA on each type of platform that South Africa has, it was used on Gripen, jet, Hawk jet, Valour Frigate, Type 209 Submarine, Rooivalk Helicopter, G-6 Rhino Artillery, Olifant tank and etc.

The operational result was disappointing, as the tactical data-link ONLY worked on same equipment types, e.g Gripen to Gripen, it failed to work from jet aircraft to warship, helicopter to artillery, even Gripen jet and Hawk jet failed to commumicate as the disappointment was all round A to Z.

Now prove to me with credible source that the failure has changed to success as at today 2016, until you prove it the 2009 technical failure conclusive report remains current and final.

Don't post Reutech website for us here, the website information is not stated to be 2016, it has no date, and Reutech has been using that website even before Link ZA was completed, so it is posting old information, and the website does NOT say Link Za communicates across different types of platforms like aircraft to ship, it only says multiple platforms and that is like Gripen to Gripen only as the final report says while explaining the big disaponitment in operational performance of the failed made in Zulu land tactical data link.

South Africa has NO tactical datalink, what you have is an intranet for Gripen to Gripen, Valour to Valour, Rooivalk to Rooivalk type of communication.

Case closed
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No - the report says UPON DELIVERY

And it is not even the full report which is an outline of how integration of the platforms was done

Even in 2010 partial integration had been done:

[color=#006600]The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA. [/color]
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242

Think before you post

Henry240:
Nigeria is the richest country in Africa, however, it doesn't translate to the Nigerian government been the richest in Africa. Algeria spent over $10 billion in Defence, Egypt probably more, Morroco also spends a lot on Defence.



$5.7 billion

You spent nowhere near that

Your entire military budget for this year is $1,6 billion

Last year James put it at a simular figure

africaken:
suicide vehicle improvised explosive device,suicide bombers,proliferation of anti tank weaponry and Anti-materiel rifle e.t c

None of which actually changes anything on the tactical or strategic level

Henry240:
Why are you telling lies against my person.


I said they are better than F-16 block 40s, only F-16 Block 50s are better than the JF-17.

So the F16 Block 50 is better?

That platform model entered service in 1991

Gripen entered service in 1997

So you have just told us that the F16 block 50, which is 25 years old... Is better than the JF-17?

Brilliant

Henry240:
Not according to Brig Mulaudzi..... Or are you saying Brig Mulaudzi is lying while you are telling the truth?


Your intelligence agency was robbed by 2 burglars. This is a fact.

According to him it was a theft

This means that no violence or intimidation was involved in committing the crime

They aren't our intelligence agency - they are the office the administers them

Again, how you derive joy from this is beyond me

Henry240:
-They are consistently referred to as Agents, just like the DSS.


- Can you prove your inept agents weren't disarmed?

- SARS employees are also referred to as agents

- Can you prove they were?

Henry240:
Sure..... Like the facts.

Provide them then

AugustineAgain:
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"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !
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Are you being serious??

AugustineAgain:
Nope....unlike you, we Nigerians are intelligent enough to CHALLENGE any manufacturer in this world, we think independently. If the manufacturer says something contrary to world accepted facts, we challenge it, buy you South Africans lack the intelligence to do that, you can be fed stomach full with sand and gravel, you will still say thank you for the meal.

So you know more thaan the manufacturer?

agaugust:
Nope, it's because as a military researcher who knows 1,000 times more than you do, I knew from day one that a jet with fly-by-wire is 4th Gen, and I told you many times over and over again, buy since you were born m.entally backward, you CANNOT think independently beyond a questionable website comment that you should have queried.

Foolish boy with transplanted Zulu medula oblongata.

Prove you are what you claim to be

agaugust:
4.5 Gen fighters do NOT use 20 year old obsolescent Pulse Doppler radar, you fool ! Gripen C is simple 4th Gen, no + or .5 to add. Olodo.

Radar is not the only relevant thing

Stop cherry picking

agaugust:
Guess why intelligent Nigerians refused to agree with Janes while you South African dullards did agree?

Nigerians think independently, South Africans are enslaved in their thinking, they swallow everything they see written, you cannot query things.

Yes, you are correct

South Africans rely on facts

Nigerians rely on guess work

agaugust:
JF-17 on par with American F-16 C/D....Awesome Thunder !
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Even Henry admits it's only on par with the block 40 version from the 1980s

Henry240:
So is that why your "highly" trained agents were disarmed by 2 club wielding petty criminals?



Don't be angry with..... Channel your anger to your incompetent agents who let themselves get disarmed by petty hoodlums.

Henry120

Do you really derive joy from a fallacious argument?

It was a theft not a robbery

Henry240:



Brig Mulaudzi confirmed that the two were not members of
the SSA

www.african-defense.com/defense-news-2/south-africa-makes-arrests-in-state-security-agency-theft/



South-African DSS equivalent dis-armed by 2 club wielding burglars!!


Buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...... Incompetent morons

Again not the DSS equivalent

Again no one was disarmed

Henry240:
Sure, a 3rd gen aeroplane with better characteristics than the Gripen C/D.

Tell yourself whatever you need to

agaugust:
Which COIN war has South Africa fought in the last 25 years to have modern day COIN experience to train another country ?

Apart from ied's replacing land-mines how has Coin changed?

Experience from Angola and Namibia is all the experience that we require

agaugust:
African nations cannot even train their regular troops effectively, they need foreign help, not to talk of training SF

Flintlock, etc

Africa is still using British SF to train ordinary Rangers on how to stop Rhino poaching, so where are your African SF ? You think everybody has the talent and training to train others and impart knowledge effectively? No.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrSxJHmal4

Even the military of Ukraine is being trained by SF from Canada and Britain in anti-rebel military combat 2016 as we speak. Better swallow pride and get help to build a good foundation. Even USA that has a proud army is getting COIN training from private military companies to fight COIN combat, why don't the US army just rely on training themselves? Let us learn to face facts in Africa.

South Africa needs no training and is well equipped to provide training - those countries you listed need training because their military institutions have no experience in that type of combat.

So, South Africa/Egypt/Algeria/Morocco and many countries of that teir are well placed to train others.

Henry240:
You don't need a sorcerer to tell you the fighter is a 4 GEN plane.

No one insulted your intelligence, the characteristics of the jet is open source.

The PAC and the designers openly refer to it as 3rd gen

Henry240:
You carried your hating into 2016........ Wow!

I hate it when people insult my intelligence with bad arguments and blatant misrepresentations.

I have read the interview in question and I got extremely agitated when the author did what he did to the interview.

Chinese are notorious for talking a big game about the capabilities of their platforms, and when even they openly say "its 3rd gen" and then compare it to other 3rd gen platforms... then its pretty cut and dry as to what gen it is.

jln115:
If I wanted to watch someone struggle to score for 90 minutes, id just take you to a bar Henry!!

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Sahuchak:
They are sticking to the chinese classification.

World doesnt revolve around the west for us.

The Chinese designer used the qualification of 3rd gen in reference to other 3rd gen fighters.

Thus, it is illigocal to argue that you are using a special-snowflake 3rd gen definition if you are comparing it to western 3rd gen fighters.

This whole "B...but China doesnt mean 3rd gen when we say its 3rd Gen" is nothing more than something cooked up by the author of the interveiw with the Chinese Designer... no where else have I ever read abou the Chinese having an independant classification system.

Fact is this: Chinese (who dont need to pretend things are better than they are) openly refer to it as 3rd gen, Paki's get ass-blasted and need to qualify the statement.

TDLR: Paki's on maximum damage controll.

Henry240:
According to JLN115,

A fighter which has,

- Fly by wire

- Improved Avionics

- EW capability

- Air-Air capability

- MFDs

Is a 3rd GEN jet.

.....You're left to wonder what they teach these m0rons in South-African schools.

According to the PAC and the Chinese Lead Designer its 3rd gen

Henry240:
Sure, 3 Fighter types are also okay. 4 ...... And you'll have a logistical nightmare, although the J-10B looks a very potent proposition.

I think it's rated 4++ by the chinese, was offered to Argentina as a Typhoon killer.

I thought your former President, the Dictator, ordered 50 J-10s from china, was it(order) cancelled primarily because of it's shared characteristics with the F-16 block 50 or some other reason?

Typhoon killer?

Are people actually this delusional?

Some SAPS Shoot-outs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFSY2k-rURw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbAlgo_pzVg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsnkB-qjUg

AugustineAgain:
I will recommend AU begin to develop special forces and train them in Belarus for COIN, look at their photos. African Union needs this capability, a standby force of 1,000 SF will make quick response more impacting than using regular troops for special ops.

http://www.mil.by/en/forces/sso/

https://www.google.ca/search?q=belarus+special+forces&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiiv47Ao5nKAhWKox4KHRvlCpkQsAQIGg&dpr=1#imgrc=_
.

African nations have the capabilities to train their own SF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eFU_r_H_gg

AugustineAgain:
...20 long years because NATO refused to transfer data-link technology to South Africa. As I said, South African defence industry is spoon fed by white-men built European companies opening branches in South Africa, once that European life-line is cut off, your local defence industry including DENEL will become like that of Burundi
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You contradicted yourself in your own post, jackass

AugustineAgain:
It's available in South Africa, I have read it online. Link ZA is 80% a failure.

So then provide a citation to substantiate your claims

AugustineAgain:
Prove it ! Liar.

Defenceweb said LINK ZA costs a few million Rands, not tens of millions. Even ten million rand is only about 600 k dollars you fraud !

LINK ZA is very cheap to produce.

So why have you not produced it?