₦airaland Forum

agaugust:
Wait till Nigerian navy spends it's 2016 budget and see guided missile vessels in action, lots of refit going on and new orders being made.

Butt hurt, it's a bad day for ALL SOUTHIES on this thread....Badger IFV got whooped to death, JF-17 Thunder rises up against Gripen !

Happy day for Nigerians !

The assement was based on your EXISTING fleet you knob... they took your strike craft into consideration.

And, fyi, if you need to announce to people that you have won an argument.... it means that you havent won the argument

[size=14pt]REMINDER: Argentina chose SECOND HAND Kafir Jets over the JF-17

Just want to make sure everyone knows this... [/size]

agaugust:
I said on procurement, the F-16 was supposed to be their only frontline jet, the JF-17 came up because of USA sanctions and refusals on F-16 upgrade and massive sales inn large numbers. The Pakistani air force chief said that in the video. Are you deaf?

So you admit the only reason the Paki's are buying them is because the Americans wont sell them F16's

Henry240:
We got Fighters that are better than F-16 block 40s. Only block-52/60s are better than our JF-17s.

Pakistan has an order for 250+ planes.

China flies the J-10 which is a 4++ GEN aircraft.


All that matters is, they are better than SAAF Gripens.

1. You are proud that your jet is better than an F16 variant that entered service in 1988??

2. So what? They make it!!

3. China (who also makes it) refused to use the monkey model JF-17 and chose the J-10 over it, and FYI J-10 is 4th gen.

4. How are they better than Gripen?

Henry240:



They are completely choked! All of them, excerpt for, maybe, Andrew....... It hit the soweto clowns like a hurricane.


Best part is, our Block II's are better than their C/D models. Behind Uganda, we have the most potent fighter jets in SSA

You can keep acting like we are somehow deeply shocked by your purchase of 3 3rd gen fighters....

But seriously now... we have 26 4th gen Gripen.

You really think we really give a single solitary fvck?

agaugust:
LOL...25 to 40 JF-17 is the NAF decision, even your South African defenceweb knows that.....

"Nigeria, long targeted as a potential customer for the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 Thunder jet, is close to ordering one or two squadrons , according to reports from Pakistan.

IHS Jane's Defence Weekly quoted a senior Pakistani Ministry of Defence official at the IDEAS 2014 exhibition in Pakistan as saying that Nigeria was close to signing a contract for the jets and that the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) has finalised its recommendations for the acquisition of 25-40 aircraft
. "

We will buy in batches....Defenceweb says NAF is ordering one or two squadrons for a start....go die of envy...

South Africa said it needed a squadron of heavy fighters when we bought the Gripen in 1998... did we get them?

All I know is that you bought 3 3rd Gen copys of the F16, a plane so sh1t that the people who make it dont even buy it

I also know Nigeria is a country which says "we buy dis, we buy dat" and end up with fokol.

When you have 40... then you can get back to me

agaugust:
Nigerian BTR-4 has cage armour and protected against RPG....your Badger has NONE !

Our badger is protected against 30mm... your BTR is not

Our badger is protected against Mines/IED's... your BTR is not

2-1 we win

agaugust:
How can he? The guy is dying of envy where he is, this NAF JF-17 order will choke EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN on nairaland to death

It's hurting them read baaad and they are already in a state of confusion now !

Why would we care about a cheap F16 copy that has acheived the lowly status of 3rd gen??

Even its designer admits its 3rd gen:

In addition, the JF-17 among third generation aircraft, in the head is relatively small, whose stealth is good.
http://www.terminalx.org/2013/05/interview-with-chief-architect-jf17.html#ixzz3wTcNPFrw

agaugust:
That web page was an error of language, and it's known to ALL intelligent people except a dullard like you....whitey dullard

PAC and PAF do not market it as 3rd gen, or how does a 3rd gen replace a 3.5 gen F-7, replace the F-16 procurement, and fight Indian 4th gen Tejas jet ? No 3rd gen jet uses fly by wire.....so you lose.

Go die of envy Southy mumuuuuu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZthdDd1Qj6A

Its not an error

Its fact - the MK2 is only 3rd gen

Henry240:
Mumu!


This evidence proves the rest of your argument docile.

O really?

So it proves that the MAJORITY of modern IFVs use missiles and autocannons?

Do you need a lesson in arithmetic?

Henry240:
Why don't you tell us what a 4 GEN fighter is, provide it's characteristics.

As the PAC

Henry240:
You dipsh1t......... The Puma IFV has 3 weapons stations in it's single turret. A 30 mm, a Secondary 5.45mm and Anti-Tank missiles.


Hopless loser!


Patchesagain

Well done... now what about the long list of other single usage IFV's?

And there are no Puma with AT missiles yet

And again, apples v oranges

agaugust:
You were made humble, you didnt know of retractable FLIR and could not differentiate a radar pod from a luggage pod
.

Nice VIP transport... dont you wish you had one of these??

[quote author=Henry240 post=41716023][/quote]Have you been drinking?

Is the SANDF putting the Lancer turret on our badger?

Clown

agaugust:
You hear lies and hallucinations. SANDF Navy man Andrewza has told you and us many times repeated that NO AMPHIBIOUS BADGER for SANDF.

There is NOTHING in your weblink source that says SANDF is getting amphibious Badger, we have already seen the ones from Finland with the water propeller removed !

Removed?

Who says they are removed?

[size=15pt]NIGERIA BTFO[/size]

agaugust:
IFV is IFV....wheeled or tracked....Russian IFV force is 99% tracked. IFV is NOT defined by wheels type, it's defined by armament and transport
.

Fool of Soweto, does not know definition of IFV

A golf cart is a car, but would it make sense to compare a car and a golf cart?

You are comparing a heavy tracked IFV to a medium wheeled IFV - apples and oranges

An interesting read:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6229:fact-file-ranking-african-navies&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

Very important: This is purely academic in nature (Read the Article)

agaugust:
[s]
Nope you fool, China has it's main IFV, and main armament of the ZBD97 is a dual-way stabilised, semi-automatic 100mm rifled gun / missile launcher, capable of firing both HE-FRAG rounds and the 3UBK10 ATGM....mixed weapons, the missile is turret fired you dummy !

Same way the Chinese year 2008 IFV has both cannon and missiles fired through the gun http://www.military-today.com/apc/zbd_08.htm

Fool, soweto fool.....Badger is obsolete concept.[/s]

Is the ZBD97 a wheeled IFV?

Apples and oranges dipsh1t

agaugust:
Show us the photo and prove SANDF is buying APC variant plus IFV, show us proof SANDF has changed it's ancient 100 year old doctrine to now buy amphibious armoured vehicles.....prove it you liar !

Wait and see

agaugust:
Quote where it says 'MOST MODERN' ....it only says first to fire linkless ammunition on a SLOW RATE OF FIRE SLOW SNAIL 30mm cannon, the rest of the world don't care about link less ammo belt only you think you want it...your choice.
.

"first in the world" = most modern

And not only we want it... Malaysia purchased it from us too!

agaugust:
You South Africans have proved it, you said SANDF chose under chassis extra armour Badger over amphibious capabillity, you are the evidence.

For the weapons based variants

APC variant has a lightweight RCS... thus it is about 2t lighter...

agaugust:
Same with your Badger not protected

But ours are protected against 30mm and mines... unlike your BTR

agaugust:
Nope, the western world is wrong, the eastern world is right....Russia, Ukraine, China, India, Nigeria etc many nations got it right.

Nope... China agree with us

agaugust:
Prove it is functional and TDL status, prove it.

Every country that has data link platforms have names for it, ATR-42 has inbuilt data link and has a name too.

Prove that the Chinese stuff is TDL, and name that of Russia, their TDL

Yes, yours has inbuilt datalink... but you have no army wide datalink to transmitt across

Point to point communication is all you have

We have network based communication

agaugust:
Your photos are showing land maps....LOL...Show us images of aircraft in live video via datalink....LOL....how will you see enemy jet when your Gripen has no OLS equipment ? Map is nothing but geographical paper, show us how your artillery will SEE the enemy ! SAAF has no OLS.

Nigerian ATR-42 actually sees real videos... live online real time...and sends the information via inbuilt data link to Central Command Center for forwarding to other platforms on land sea air
.
.

Dude, I posted a picture of what you see on the battle-feild managment system (which you dont have)

You cant transmitt your data onwards because you have no data link

This is getting boring

agaugust:
Nigeria has C2 and C5 command and control, so if our aircraft see anything, they communicate with CCC and the CCC relays the message to other platforms. Simple, but a fool like you won't know how 95% of the world's military fights war without tactical data link.

TDL is just faster because it does not go through CCC.....Command and Control Center.

Meanwhile, your Gripen and Hawk jets are getting sh.ot down by NAF JF-17 Thunder jets, your data link is blown to pieces before you use it.

https://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_JF-17/jf-17_thunder_mark-84_mark-82_laser_guided_bombs.jpg

SO you have it because YOU SAY you have it?

Pathetic

agaugust:
Your Gripen has obsolete 20 year old pulse doppler mechanical radar, Rafale has latest AESA electronic radar plus IRST and OLS which your Gripen does not have....how are they on par?

Fake fighter pilot, answer us with proof, how is Gripen C on Par with Rafale?
.

You are only comparing one thing you assclown

Henry240:
Nigeria ordered 40+ BTR-4s.

Citation needed

agaugust:
Rosomak had cage armour in Afghanistan you fool !

Thats a testing platform you chucklefuck

Here, is the ACTUAL Rosomak that got hit

Just stop making bad arguments you clown

agaugust:
.....but no 30mm cannon....useless IFV

So it should have a 60mm mortar AND a 30mm?

Why dont you have a fire support variant?

agaugust:
.....it has no 30mm cannon

Because you dont need a 30mm cannon to hunt tanks

And YOUR BTR's dont have missiles either!!