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Henry240:
Not according to the UN, BBC, AFP, Reuters, Aljazeera, TVC.

Your Special forces got roundly defeated in the CAR.

Henry240:
Do you even know what hypothetical means?

-The BOA MRAP is in production

- The ARA MRAP is also in production

- The militarized Hilux gun truck is also in production

* The only vehicle that hasn't been seen yet is the Viper Special forces vehicle

AugustineAgain:
[s]Show me where UN laws of war says it's babaric to kill an enemy with a military Bayonet knife. In war of the Bible days don't they use swords to cut off the head of an enemy in war?

SANDF killed no Seleka until you show us proof, all we see are 15 dead SANDF elite troops, so only SANDF troops died in Bangui.[/s]

AugustineAgain:
Mbombe is more like an IFV than LAV or MRAP.

Compare things of same class, or how do you compare Reva MRAP and Big Foot MRAP ? Any sense in that?

Henry240:
Hypothetical what?

AugustineAgain:
Every vehicle starts with prototype, Nyala or Mamba MRAP all began with prototype.

The Nigerian MRAP has passed computer image stage, it's under construction, see it behind our army engineers on inspection tour of Proforce, proudly made in Nigeria ARA MRAP....we will soon overtake South Africa in armoured vehicle production and sales like we did with GDP !

All Proforce products meet international standards, tested and confirmed !
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agaugust:
All I see is Boko Haram crushed by Nigerian army the mighty ! Your SANDF has not shown us one single Seleka they killed
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agaugust:
South Africa actually produces glorified civilian type Jeeps for your army.

BTWN, Toyota SUV is listed as part of SANDF fighting vehicles

See full photos of Nigerian made armoured vehicles http://www.proforcedefence.com/companyprofile.pdf
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agaugust:
South African armoured vehicles are crap too, you sell products that have better rivals from China, USA and Europe.

agaugust:
[s]AMANI tactics is a 1970s archaic battle space setting common to SANDF, old doctrine you have failed to modernize, your training is outdated, reason why Cuba and Russia are now training you dummies

AMANI order of battle and field formation is like a tennis match, two players line up like dummies on opposite side of a net, start shooting balls into each others side of the dividing net hoping to score points.

See Nigerian army training and show me how SANDF can match this level ![/s]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDkybigIskw
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agaugust:
Lol, what makes the opposing side's story not a propaganda?

agaugust:
[s]Snail pace? Nigerian Proforce produces 40 vehicles per month in that factory, how much does does one South African company produce monthly?

Envy is eating you up as we will soon overtake you like we did with GDP.

Meanwhile, show us South African armoured vehicle factory where you people say robots are working for you like Japan, show photo proofs ![/s]
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agaugust:
Show us PROOF that ALL South African military platforms are integrated on this tactical datalink.

[s]Stop lying to us, same way you guys said SAN has Super Lynx ASW helicopters armed with sonar and torpedoes, only for us to discover later that you have only search and rescue Super Lynx with ZERO sonar or torpedoes...liars !
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Every army in this world communicates perfectly without military-wide datalink, they do not have to use exactly the same methods as SANDF.

Can you show us airborne battlefield command and control capability in South African military ?
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agaugust:
Military wide datalink is NOT compulsory for every country, how many countries in the world have it, and how many have won a war with it?

SANDF has military wide datalink and Chaka C2 yet your army and air force combined have failed to secure your fatherland's borders from invading arms smugglers from Zimbabwe, foreign assassins from Rwanda, Rhino poachers from Mozambique..... so tell us what your army has achieved with tactical military-wide datalink and Chaka C2 combat management systems since all these years of SANDF failure on homeland sail in simple operations against weak targets
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agaugust:
[size=13pt] LOL....your story is a lie, so you are wasting your time grin grin

"The Nigerian Army has described as untrue media reports that 105 soldiers were missing after deadly attack by the Boko Haram insurgents."


http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/20/105-soldiers-not-missing-in-borno-army-spokesman/

SANDF runs when they hear the word...S..E..L..E..K..A [/size]

agaugust:
It's a big lie, LIST FOR US the so called imaginary 100 defence companies in South Africa, I am sure many of them are security guard companies providing guard services to your crime and murder ridden society.

90% of hi-tech South African defence industry is owned by Europe, your technological independence is has not yet come.

Henry240:
Why don't we all look at the specs ourselves.


www.google.com.ng/search?q=Proforce+ARA+MRAP&btnG=Search


The PDF file is the second result in the link.

agaugust:
Eben Barlows tactics are the exact opposite of SANDF hosted AMANI.

BTWN....Israel trained more Nigerian COIN troops than Eben, not to mention 5,000 trained by Russia and Pakistan for Nigeria's COIN brigade
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agaugust:
LOL....your story is a lie, so you are wasting your time

"The Nigerian Army has described as untrue media reports that 105 soldiers were missing after deadly attack by the Boko Haram insurgents."


http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/20/105-soldiers-not-missing-in-borno-army-spokesman/

SANDF runs when they hear the word...S..E..L..E..K..A

agaugust:
Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

agaugust:
I would say Proforce did not make an error, their own APC has different windows and lights compared to the Cobra, and btwn Russia is doing the same thing with their BPM-97 APC.....http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

[img]http://i58.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/95/7716c7d1e3ee034bbc6d8bdc6a654095.jpg[/img]

Cobra design is based on simple common sense over which nobody has copyright.

The original design is owned by Russia since 1950, called BTR-152....actually Turkey is the copy cat

http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

agaugust:
[s]Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.[/s]

agaugust:
You posted a whole air force control room of many kinds of equipment that has NOTHING to do with Chaka c2.

The main purpose of Chaka C2 that we are debating about is AMANI II armies exercise of the AU, did you put a whole air force control room including air traffic control equipment into one MRAP and carried it to the battlefield?

The Chaka C2 in question is the brigade level vehicle mobile unit used for AMANI exercise.....

agaugust:
Chaka C2 is for your army, you are posting air force control room equipment.

See what your army Chaka C2 looks like when deployed on the battle field....

agaugust:
LOL....I thought the Chaka C2 was like a nuclear weapons command and control room in USA

So na just 2 laptop computers and one telecoms router

Is that what they say Nigerian army Generals are coming to learn? Have they seen Nigerian army generals doing C2 with the massive network of computers on Nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor and Beechcraft 350ER ? Nothing is SANDF can match our C2 equipment and battlefield surveillance, command and control capabilities, Nigeria leads the whole of Africa in that area of war capability and advanced technology.

iblawi:
The number of people that died in South Africa yearly from crime and road accident is more than double the total number of people Boko Haram have killed in the last six years.


A country where at least 50 people die a day from crime and 1000 people die monthly from raid accident.

50*30 = 1500 + 1000 = 2500

2500 people die in South Africa monthly from crime and road accident alone. MINUS THE NUMBER OF SOLDIERS POACHERS KILL DAILY.

http://streetgist.com/horrific-crash-claims-32-lives-in-south-africa/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

I guess you guys don't know your problem is more than ours.

Henry240:
Is Nigeria an arms exporting nation? ....... Yes!

That's all that matters.

Henry240:
This is why I'm forced to question the mental state of your generals.


Why use conventional tactics for a non-conventional threat?

Henry240:
I'd love to allow you wallow in your self-inflicted state of delusion.......... But I'm forced to bring back to reality.


Aljazeera just recently aired a comprehensive documentary on South-African Police brutality and death squads.

You are in a worse boat than Nigeria, this is a fact.


They all ended up dead.

In South-Africa it is legal to kill 34 striking miners, 23 in front of the cameras and another 11 at different locations away from the cameras.

South-African police barbarism would make groups like Boko-Haram and ISIS proud.

Henry240:
Rwanda isn't the world's poorest state.

You export, I export. That is what matters.

Proof has been provided, search the archives.