agaugust: [s]Learn to read without having everything quoted for you....dullard whitey !
No BEE compliance means death to the company business :
" In order to achieve the highest BEE status rating (level one out of a possible eight levels), a business entity must score more than 100 points. Entities scoring lower than 40 points will be judged non-BEE compliant.
However, under the new system, both small and micro enterprises can qualify for ‘enhanced recognition’, whereby if they are 100% black owned or at least 51% black owned, they are automatically given Level One or Level Two BEE status respectively.
Non-compliance will not result in any criminal sanction but will mean that government support will not be forthcoming. And a knock-on effect is created in business, since compliance requires entering into business relationships (such as supply contracts) with parties who are in turn compliant.
A review of the BEE Act has also been initiated and an amendment bill proposed which will tighten the law to address challenges such as ‘fronting’, where companies manipulate or misrepresent their BEE status to win contracts. "
This is why European defence companies open branches in South Africa and sell majority shares to you then you now turn around to claim the weapons they produce are proudly South African products.....its a big lie, you guys azz is now exposed, you have been deceiving us on this forum for the past 5 years ![/s] .
So.
Now you are saying:
"These firms are MAJORITY OWNED by South Africa... BUT... THEY ARE NOT SOUTH AFRICAN"
Dude - are you so stu.pid that you cannot see how massivly you are contradicting YOURSELF?
Also - please show us which firms have "opened branches" in South Africa
The codes of good practice allow foreign multinational companies doing business in South Africa some flexibility in how they structure their empowerment deals. In particular, the codes acknowledge that there may be multinationals whose global practices prevent them from complying with the ownership element of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) through the traditional sale of shares to black South Africans.
In such cases, the codes allow for contributions in lieu of equity sales. These contributions, known as ‘equity equivalent’ contributions, count towards the ownership element ofnBBBEE and can allow companies to place extra effort on areas such as skills development, training, preferential procurement and social responsibility. The value of these contributions may be measured against 25% of the value of a multinational's South African operations, or against 4% of the total revenue from South African operations annually over the period of continued measurement.
Foreign multinationals can submit proposals for Equity Equivalent Programmes to the Department of Trade and Industry for approval by the Minister of Trade and Industry.
CONCLUSION
It is fundamental to doing business in South Africa that potential investors become familiar with and meet their obligations in terms of BEE laws and regulations.
You force European companies to sell shares to South Africans and add your name to their own. The company has a South African look outwardly but inwardly it is European 100%.
90% of South African defence industry is owned by Europeans. Nigerian defence industry is NOT a colony like yours. We own our stuff.[/s] .
Where does it say "ANC law forces foreign companies to sell majority shares to South Africans"
agaugust: 1. Egypt and Algeria do not talk about their communication systems, nobody know if they have tactical datalinks, you cannot prove they do not have, same way I cannot prove they have it.
2. Algeria believes in buying weapons from north, east, west, south, they buy from over 10 different countries, it's their national defence policy to diversify sources of arms procurement. Besides, they feel the umkhonto is already integrated on Meko 200 used by SAN, so it makes easy sense to buy same. However the Algerians have 40 km Russian SAM on their Tigre frigates, they have missiles superior to Umkhnoto. Flagship does not matter, it's a ceremonial jargon. Also, they might not find Russian missile easy to install on a German Meko frigate, it will need Russian and German military engineers working together and that may be hard to achieve since the two white nations are enemies, then Umkhonto becomes easy option.
[s]3. Thales is a French company you thief ! The logo is from France, you cannot use it as a South African original or else you will be in violation of international patent rights and end up in world court for stealing. Thales South Africa is merely a branch of Thales France, ALL the Thales products made in South African defence industry are imported French technology that you claim for yourselves you glory thief !
90% of South African defence industry is owned by Europe, they own you !
See all the logos are the same exactly, Thales South Africa, Thales United Kingdom, Thales France
France owns Thales defence industry South Africa . PROVED !
4. Sweden owns SAAB 100%
5. Rheinmetall is German, they own South African Rheinmetall, you cannot use a PATENTED name without affiliation with the parent company, Germany owns Rheinmetall defence company South Africa, they can pull the plugs on you and South African defence industry drops dead. All the Rheinmetall defecne products made in South Africa are imported materials, parts, and technology from Germany, they own you.
http://www.rheinmetall.ca/en/rheinmetall_canada/index.php [size=13pt] 90% of South African defence industry is owned and fed fat by Europe.....Nigeria owns her own defence industry.....we are not a colony like South Africa [/s][/size] .
1. So you cant prove they have one? THEN THEY DONT HAVE ONE
2. Flagship is just jargon? lol ok. Fact is - they purchased our weapons
The rest of your post is utter trash - not even worth repsonding to
agaugust: [size=13pt][s]Nigerian defence industry is NOT inferior.[/size]
We make world class quality products that UN is buying and presidents and ambassadors of countries from your own region are inspecting for purchase prospects. Point is we make different things, there are many Nigerian products that South Africa does not produce, wheeled bomb disposal robots, tracked bomb disposal robots, tactical military armoured vehicles, jet fighter rocket pods, jet fighter folding fin rockets, armoured patrol vessels, man portable drones....we make different things, each country has it's own priority.
Show me how Nigeria is inferior.....UN calls you a liar ![/s] .
You know that we make all of those things?
The only exception being robots... and your "robot" is absolute trash... more akin to a high school science fair project than something that is actually usefull.
Yes, you are completely and utter inferior in every measurable way.
lionel4power: your own source they aren't necessarily being neutralised. The warheads contained in Palestinian rockets are "very difficult to detonate because they are made with thick steel cases... backed with insensitive TNT explosive", he found.
More than 130 Palestinian rockets have been fired towards Israel over the past 24 hours, revealing the inefficiency of Israel’s Iron Dome missile system which has intercepted merely 27 of them. According to a report by Israeli media, at least 100 rockets have landed in Israel since Wednesday when Tel Aviv escalated its airstrikes on the besieged Gaza Strip. The report by Haaretz listed the regions hit by Palestinian rockets, saying that at least 22 rockets fired from Gaza landed in Eshkol area in southern Israel and 10 others hit the neighboring area of Ofakim. Of the rockets targeting these two areas, only two were intercepted. Four rockets also landed in Sha’ar Hanegev and five others hit the neighboring area of Sderot. In the southern city of Ashkelon, seven rockets landed and three others were intercepted. The Iron Dome has been established with the financial support of the United States. In May, the US House of Representatives appropriated 947 million dollars to the Iron Dome, nicknamed “David's Sling,” and a long-range Arrow missile program in Israel. Palestinian resistance fighters began firing rockets into Israel after the regime launched a new series of airstrikes on the besieged territory. Over the past 24 hours, at least 13 Palestinians, including senior Hamas commander Ahmed al-Ja’abari, have been killed in the Israeli airstrikes. Two children and a woman are also among the victims. Meanwhile, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday that Tel Aviv was planning to expand the offensive in Gaza and that the regime was considering a “ground incursion” into the coastal enclave. SAB/MA
Israel’s vaunted Iron Dome defense system is more like an iron sieve. It fails to destroy all but a few of the rockets that Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups fire at Israeli communities. But Israel’s early-warning civil-defense systems have proved highly effective.
Ted Postol, a physicist at the university and an expert in missiles and missile defenses, has found evidence that only about 5 percent of Iron Dome engagements result in the targeted rocket being destroyed or even sufficiently damaged to disable its explosive warhead. In the other 95 percent of cases, the interceptor either misses entirely or just lightly damages the enemy munition, allowing the rocket’s intact warhead to continue arcing toward the ground.
WHEN MORE RESEARCH WAS DONE... IIT TELLS A DIFFERENT STORY.
Other 2014 articles echoed a similar story from Time magazine on the first use of Iron Dome in 2012: that Iron Dome was the "most effective, most tested missile shield the world has ever seen." [4] But then the story changed. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists started the skeptical coverage on July 19, 2014 with a story purporting to reveal "The evidence that shows Iron Dome is not working." [5] Reuter's David Axe followed up a week later with a story, complaining on July 25, 2014, "Israel's Iron Dome is more like an iron sieve." [6] On July 31, 2014, the Middle East Monitor entitled a story "It is a lie to say that Iron Dome is Protecting Israelis from Hamas." [7] Two weeks later, August 12, 2014, reporter Dylan Scott asked, "For all the Hype, Does Israel's Iron Dome Even Work?"
LOOK I KNOW IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE A LIE BUT THE IRON DOME ISN'T WHAT THE ISRAELIS MADE IT TO LOOK LIKE... MORE ROCKET HIT ISRAEL THAN WAS INTERCEPTED... ASK YOURSELF WHY ISN'T THE USA FIELDING THIS MAGICAL WEAPON THEY PRACTICALLY PAID FOR. ISRAELI PR TEAM HAS BEEN TAKING THE WORLD FOR A RIDE SINCE 1960
Did you not read the sources?
1. They only intercepted missiles that were a threat 2. Of missiles that were deemed a threat, 90% were intercepted 3. Iron Dome is only one of THREE layers of missile defence
agaugust: [s]You merely paid cash to buy the shares because your ANC law forces foreign companies to sell majority shares to South Africans.
BAE technology remains imported from Britain, you import British technology, call the company any name you like, DENEL or whatever, it is still British technology being imported by you, British engineering brains doing the job while you claim the glory for South Africa, thief ![/s]
1. Citation needed for law 2. No, BAE purchased an existing South African company Reumech OMC so that they could access SOUTH AFRICAN TECHNOLOGY Denel them bought it back
Reumech OMC --> BAE Land Systems --> Denel Land Systems
agaugust: [s]Nope, that list makes you 18th ranked exporters out of 20, you are almost bottom of the table
The ranking is NOT for weapons manufacturing, it is for export only, and many of the South African exports on SIPRI are sales of weapons you imported from Europe, Alouette helicopters from France resold to Zimbabwe, Cheetah jets are France's rebuilt Mirage jets resold to Ecuador, Mirage F1Z from France resold to Gabon, Impala jets are Italian jets resold to other countries in large numbers, all those are among the export sales used to rank South Africa 18th, yet those weapons are imported by you originally made in Europe....I found out this records on SIPRI database.....most of South African made exports are MRAPs, you are merely a big time MRAP exporter, all other weapons are low value transactions including cheap missiles.
Weapons manufacturing, Egypt is the biggest in Africa, I proved it with citations, Egypt built jet fighter engines, tens of thousands tactical missiles, dozens of ballistic missiles and a thousand modern tanks, and many thousands of APC/IFV.
Iran locally manufactures more missiles and drones than South Africa, Iran makes dozens of types of main battle tanks, IFV/APC, anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, anti-ship missiles, long range ballistic missiles, missile armed drones, stealth drones, warships, light jet fighter aircraft....South Africa is far far behind Iran which is not listed on the top 20 table.
Stop deceiving yourselves ! IRAN HAS BUILT MANY SUBMARINES ! [/s]
Poor training from the African forces, real poor weak training, no stuff at all.....looks more like an army ceremonial parade !
South Africa should have organized something better, most armies like Uganda, Kenya, Algeria, Nigeria and Angola that are used to fighting real wars will gain nothing from this kind of shows, real war is 100 time tougher than the child's play done at AMANI Africa II.[/s]
are you re.tarded?
It was a DEMONSTRATION at the end of the exercise!!!
-- from Isreal to Iran is 1500km too -- lol iron dome is a fraud -- Iran has the best surface to surface missiles in the whole region
Gaza Rockets Penetrate Israeli Defense System Due to Iron Dome Malfunction Two rockets hit Be'er Sheva school and residential neighborhood; senior official to Haaretz: Iron Dome cannot provide absolute protection. Two rockets hit Be'er Sheva school and residential neighborhood; senior official to Haaretz: Iron Dome cannot provide absolute protection.
Israeli Rocket Defense System Is Failing at Crucial Task, Expert Analysts Say Although it appears to hit incoming Hamas rockets, Israel’s system could be falling short of detonating the rockets’ warheads. Iron Dome air defense system Flawed technology: Analysts question whether Israel’s Iron Dome air defense system, seen here firing to intercept a rocket headed for Tel Aviv, is achieving its aims. Even though Israel’s U.S.-funded “Iron Dome” rocket- defense interceptors appear to be hitting Hamas rockets in recent days, they are almost certainly failing in the crucial job of detonating those rockets’ shrapnel- packed explosive warheads, expert analysts say. As a result, rockets fired from Gaza are probably plunging to the ground with intact explosives. The fact that they aren’t causing injuries or deaths in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and other cities is mainly a matter of luck, the analysts add.
-- IRON DOME WAS A MASSIVE FAILURE THATS WHY THE USA WHO FUNDED IT IS NOT USING IT. --IRAN HAS THE BEST SURFACE TO SURFACE MISSILES IN THE WHOLE REGION... BOTH IN QUALITY AND QUANTITY. -- IRAN WOULD BOMBARD ISREAL INTO ARMAGEDDON AND STILL HAVE REASONS TO BUILD NUKES. --IRAN IS TYE REGIONAL SUPER POWER THATS WHAT THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR WAS ABOUT
IRAN SAFFIL MISSILE IS 1600KM RANGE IRAN SAJJIL MISSILE IS 3700KM RANGE IRAN HAS ISREAL IN ITS KILLZONE... ITS JUST THE FEAR OF MORE SANCTIONS THAT'S STOPPING IRAN.[/b]
Henry240: "Tacticool" is a word i picked up from following the now defunct militaryphotos.net over the years.
It's a word used to describe soldiers in full tactical gear, just to say the guy looks cool. It's in the same manner i describe men who look "Tacticool".
- I can't say that Nigeria's comms set-up requires additional improvement, I'm not privy to the data as regards military wide comms, but i know it's very much improved.
-The Personal Role Radios Nigeria special forces carry is a significant boost to general comms advancement in the military.
agaugust: Datalink is no weapon and it won't win you a war, the enemy too has its own communication system. Then you never know if Algeria and Egypt have tactical data link, not every country makes noise about it's military communication capacity on internet.
Yes, it does win wars.
No they dont have system wide data-link. If you want to say they do, then prove it.
agaugust: Algerian navy has SAMs superior to Umkhonto, they have on Tigre frigates a different missile from Russia with 40 km range BVR ! All SAAF jets will be deleted from the sky.
Range of the Ubmani glide bomb is ~100km
So no, we will never be in range
agaugust: [s]SAAB opened a branch factory in South Africa, your ANC law forces them to give majority shares to incompetent Zulu dummy directors who just sit idle on the board collecting huge salaries. SAAB is exporting technology to it's branch, the stuff you have there is shipped to you from Sweden, you do NOT own SAAB corporation, it is a Swedish company that can pull the plugs and render your Gripen jets powerless anytime.[/s]
Into the trash it goes
agaugust: SAAB has REFUSED to allow Umbani bomb on Gripen you dummy.
Nope - development costs for supersonic were too high
LIAR
agaugust: [s]Thales South Africa is same as Thales of France, they own you ! See the company logo it's the same. Thales exports tech stuff to it's Southie branch and runs the factory, no Zulu brain can ever build a radar. Thales is a French company and they can dump you if they wish to cripple your defence industry.
Into the trash it goes
You guys actually do NOT own 90% of your so called local defence industry, BAE is also British company with branch in South Africa, Rheinmetall is a German company with branch in South Africa just like Toyota and Ford motors.
You South Africans own less than 10% of the technology you claim to have, it's all imported from Europe and they can paralyze South Africa is they wish.....foreigners own your defence industry unlike Nigeria where Nigerian army engineering corps owns Igirigi APC, Badeh Aerospace owns Gulma drone, Proforce owns Leapard LAV, Nigerian air force AFIT college owns Amebo drone, Ichoku drone, bomb disposal robot wheeled and tracked versions, and Farawa light aircraft, DICON owns our infantry weapons and equipment products, we own ourselves in Nigerian defence industry, we do NOT depend on Europe to open branches and build weapons in Naija.[/s]
jesus christ, the bullshit this guy spews. I felt myself get dumber as i read
agaugust: Nigerian defense industry is independent, South African defence industry is 90% colonized by Europe today 2015....SA is not free yet o ! Mandela only got Zulus/Bantus the political offices....the rest of South Africa is still owned by Europe.
Citations please?
[size=15pt]Yet again, augubug is trying to compensate for Nigerian inferiority.... [/size]
agaugust: [s]South Africa sells what weapons to world powers? When? How?
You sold about 2,000 MRAPs to USA, then USA builds it's own better MRAP superior to yours and manufactured 25,000 units. So what is the big deal selling MRAPs, is that a ballistic missile? Namibia builds MRAP and Nigeria too is developing an MRAP with Proforce.
Selling Umkhonto to Finland? Finland is NOT a world power, and they bought a few of your missile for the sake of returning favour in your business deal since you are buying hundreds of Badger IFV engine and chassis from them.
Southies did not sell any offensive weapon to any world power anywhere you nitwit !
Your defense industry is NOT one of the largest in the world, you build jet fighters and warships? Your SA export ranking is almost bottom table on the top 20 in the world, you are only ahead of lowly Uzbekistan or so.[/s]
Consult SIPRI
We are amongst the Top 20 in the world. We are not ahead of ONLY lowly Uzbekistan... WE ARE AHEAD OF EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH
One thing I noticed from the display (and other exercises) is that we keep our formations veeery close together... the Moto Inf assault and the Mech assault seemed veery tight esp in comparison to the Angolans who opened up the display
I get it... Angolans were light Inf skirmishing... we deployed Moto Inf and kept them close maximise firepower over a small frontage
But what is the ROE with regards to spacing... While I was watching it, i was thinking "one good MRLS strike and we lose half a battalion"
rugged7: lol...SMDH. This chappie really carries a chip on his shoulders sha It's a bleeping local Nigerian TV with an eye for a Nigerian angle to the Nigerian troops that attended an exercise... Pray, what additional information on south africa would have made u happy The Rooivalk and all the APC's and terrain was not enough for u, innit? Look blood, everything is not a bleeping competition! CHILL the bleep out. God help all africans-white, black,brown,purple and green, our brain densities and parochial outlook is an impediment to progress
can you calm down for a second?
I simply pointed out that the HIGHLIGHT of the even, something not even I have seen before, was excluded
agaugust: [s]You think we are talking about MRAP vehicles here?
All the major weapons South Africa needs to win a war are imported from Europe and need European maintenance in war.
You import Hawk jet, Gripen jet, Type 209 submarine, Valour frigate, Exocet missiles, Milan missiles, Starstreak missiles, Torpedoes, Rooivalk engine and some avionics as well as it's rocket pod made in Belgium....if you remove all those European imported equipment from SANDF, Zimbabwe will defeat you.
Stop fooling yourself that you have local technology, South Africa is a major arms importer.[/s]
So you will just ignore artillery/radar/IFV's/AFV's/APC's/Missiles/Comms etc?
agaugust: Nigeria is not in the equation, we are talking about South Africa claiming it will defeat Algeria because your local defence industry is more technologically advanced.
Yes, if you consider CAPACITY FOR GROWTH
You fvcking retard.
You cannot make hypothetical statements and then refer to factual situations to prove the hypothetical.
And what does this have to do with Egypt v Isreal?
agaugust: [s]Nigeria was never in the discussion, it was you who said a country with better home grown defence industry will defeat the one that has less local technology, and i proved you wrong with Algeria Vs South Africa.....firepower will determine the winner in a war.
SA did NOT upgrade many Algerian weapons, you did very very little as most of their arsenal in Algeria does not need upgrade, they have the most modern military force in Africa.
Algeria has almost 20 frigates and corvettes, so SA put Umkhonto on only 2 ships and that is what you call many? 2 ships ? Many ?
Did South Africa upgrade Algerian Su-30 Flanker, Su-24 Bombers, Yak-130 trainer/attack jets, Su-24 Electronic warfare aircraft, T-90 tanks, Kilo submarines, Tigre class frigates, S-400 long range SAM....? Are you not a big liar ? [/s] .
agaugust: [s]Algeria has force projection to reach South Africa by sea. They have a very modern and huge supply ship/landing ship/helicopter carrier/anti-submarine helicopters. They have many new stealth frigates with BVR SAM missiles to wipe out any Gripen jet, they have longer range anti-ship missiles to sink any Valour frigate, they have ASW weapon armed ships many submarines to defeat any Heroine class Type 209.
Algeria will eat up South Africa for dinner and there will be no left over in the dish[/s] .
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:04am On Nov 14, 2015
