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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:18pm On Jul 22, 2015
[quote author=lezz post=36155907][/quote]As a % of GDP we are no where near the most indebted in Africa

As a % of Government Revenue the same applies
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:35pm On Jul 22, 2015
ddami:
shut up and go and concentrate on your country's huge external debt..... This is the 3rd time am seeing this debt thing here.. U just never get tired..,,,
What's your business if we borrow money or not mmttsschheww..
We can afford our debt

You cannot

That is why

Also, we havent had to declare bankruptsy or cut government wages by 50%
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:34pm On Jul 22, 2015
ddami:
JOKE OF THE MONTH,,
fact of the month
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:00pm On Jul 22, 2015
lezz:
South African government is the most indebted in Africa.
As a % of GDP we are no where near the most indebted in Africa

As a % of Government Revenue the same applies
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 12:27am On Jul 22, 2015
lionel4power:
hey! What is that device on a tripod at the back of the rear MLRS? That same device is at NAF training command. I see it all the time.
range finder i presume
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:14am On Jul 22, 2015
agaugust:
5% pay cut in dollars is more cash than 50% in Naira you dunce grin grin

They just sacked almost 200,000 workers now jobless in Canada. People are increasing in thousands on queue for hungry people in Food Banks all over Canada....hey it's just 30 minutes drive across my border, I know the world more than you do. You are caged in Soweto prison and your only access to the outside world is by internet on your mobile phone....prisoner of ANC grin grin
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Canada has an unemployment rate of 6%

Canada has not slashed Government Employees wages by 6%
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:09am On Jul 22, 2015
agaugust:
South Africa exceeded it's borrowing limit many years ago ! Foreign dollar debt of $40 Billion that you cannot afford to repay grin grin

Nigeria owes only $7 Billion, so South Africa is 6 times poorer than we are....SA is in debt deep shiit...can't compare that kinda multi-billion dollar debt to the salary arrears Nigeria just paid with shares/dividend and tax income.

Now go pay South Africa's $40 Billion debt first, then come back and talk about Nigeria grin grin

Onigbese Southie... grin grin
As a percentage of GOVERNMENT INCOME

That debt is very managable - infact, our government workers just got a raise!

Your debt is not

We have discussed this before, and you got thrashed - stop bringing it up
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:06am On Jul 22, 2015
agaugust:
[s]You don't.

France has no pilots shortage. They could have 300 pilots for 130 Rafale jets.

France has minimum of 60 Rafale pilots flying 180 hours. Never mind the 100 Mirage 2000 pilots. French Rafale pilots alone are more than all combat pilots existing in South African air force.

SAAF has 6 Gripen pilots flying 10 to 20 hours each....Botswana is better than you [/s] grin
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Approx 14 Gripen pilots 2 years ago
Averaging 60 hours - more than half of the airforce

These are the facts, there is nothing to argue about
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:37pm On Jul 21, 2015
agaugust:
France has 131 Rafale jets. 60 jets have pilots flying 180 hours.

SAAF does not even have one quarter the number of French Rafale jets....that's not counting another over 100 French Mirage 2000 jets.

Seems you don't know who to compare South Africa with, France is 1,000 years ahead of your local league where Angola is getting better than you.

Mumu.
What are you even talking about?

How does this change the fact that SAAF Gripen pilots get more flying hours than 50% of the French Airforce?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:36pm On Jul 21, 2015
agaugust:
2014 current update ; SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots flying without combat qualifications
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Not current update

Report that is referring to reports emanating from 2013

Those allegations were dispelled in 2013 by the SAAF
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:42pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
Your personal Voodoo logic is NOT fact !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then !
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Its not Voodo logic

Its simple logic

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational

Thus, logically, there are 14 pilots to fly the operational Gripen... or are our Gripen flown by ghosts?

The issue of only 6 pilots has been dealt with and has shown to be false.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:40pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
Augustine is hurting Patrick so badly....dear @Patches, run home to mummy and cry grin grin
No, augustus is wasting time with old arguments that have been dealt with
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:40pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
50% of French pilots fly 180 hours on Rafael. They can deploy 60 Rafale jets all with combat qualified Rafael pilots into battle zones.

0% of South African Gripen pilots are combat qualified with your shameful 10 to 20 hours flying. SAAF cannot deploy any combat qualified Gripen jet into battle....Angola will Räpe South African military to deäth tonguetongue
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SAAF Grip pilots fly an average of 60 hours

This is more than half of the french airforce

Simple fact
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:57pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
[s][size=13pt]SAAF Gripens are only effective in photographs.

ZERO combat qualified pilots [/s] grin grin
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60 hours does not qualify you for combat?

over half the french airforce is not combat qualified!!

Shocking allegation!
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:56pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
re you to show

[s]I dare you as a man to show me how SAAF has combat qualified Gripen pilots with the peanut hours they fly !

10 to 20 hours, yes I mean combat training hours.

The 200 hours include ceremonial flying like air shows and Mandela funeral, we have to remove all that civilian missions, or were your pilots on combat training mission during Mandela's burial ceremony?[/s]
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:55pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
[s]Nope, you actually shot y.ourself down !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then[/s] !
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14 Gripen are operational

Thus, a logical man, would conclude 14 pilots at a minimum... in 2013

My artical is the SAAF response to the allegations made by the DA MP.

Again, you have posted this before and we have shot this down before. You are wasting your time and ours.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:54pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
[s]Another 8 year old source, NAF did not even have many jets and helicopters in those days of 2007.

Now from 2010 to 2014 NAF has purchased :

F-7 jets
American Alpha jets
Mi-35 M Hind E
Mi-171 S Terminator
CH-3 missile drone
ATR-42 Surveyor MPA/ISTAR/AWACS
Beechcraft 350 ER
D42 Diamond ISR
Eurocopter Fennec AS555

Your story is so old, that most of the current NAF aircraft are missing in your ancient news report.

Try find something more current, you will end up with sources saying NAF flew 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months....far from being grounded.

Now show me one just 10 combat sorties flown by SAAF in the last 20 year[/s]s grin grin
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citation for NAF combat sorties
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:53pm On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
[s]Opposition MP is South African, they tell the truth about what ANC is hiding under cover. SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots and the source is 2014.

Now show us source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots, I have asked you 101 times, you keep running away like a squirrel chased by a hunter![/s]
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Stop posting things that have been dealt with

SAAF cheifs blew his comments out of the water
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:35am On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
Nope, it's not the same old story, this source is new, just about 9 months ago, it's hot fresh news !

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots who now fly a paltry 10 to 20 hours a year and thus ZERO combat qualification, this is true, this is serious, Angola will äss räpe the entire nation of South Africa, their Su-30 Flankers will destroy all your G-6 Rhino and other artillery from the air, then Angolan Super Tucanos will massacre SANDF infantry and tanks.

Mandela will dïe second dëath inside his grave o ! tonguetongue
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No augustus

It refers to the same period of time
It makes the same allegations

Allegations that have been dispelled by the SAAF.

Flight Global simply did not do their research!!

You can post the same story over and over, and I will destroy it over and over
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:31am On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela tonguetonguetongue

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate.... tonguetonguetongue
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No, both sources refer to the same period of time

Your source has been contradicted by the SAAF

Your statement about flight hours has been contradicted by SANDF financial reports (which have been posted here) SAAF pilots average 60 a year

Face it, your source is incorrect - we have official word from the SAAF

You can keep saying the same thing over and over, and I will keep saying the same thing over and over.

And anyway, 6 Gripen pilots is better than 3 F-7 pilots grin grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:27am On Jul 20, 2015
agaugust:
N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela tonguetonguetongue

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate.... tonguetonguetongue
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Really?

You are still posting it?

Official word from the SAAF
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31821/

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational
No Gripen ever placed in storage

Thus, minimum of 14 pilots

And, as I have shown in the 2013/14 Gripen pilots averaged 60 hours per year, more than half the french airforce


Dude, this is like the 5th or 6th time you have posted this article, and this is like the 5th or 6th time I have shot you down.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:44pm On Jul 19, 2015
agaugust:
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[size=13pt][s]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat tongue tongue tongue [/size]




SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots [/s]
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still posting that story?

How many times have you posted it

and how many times have we posted the story that corrected the false statements made in the article?

You are truly pathetic
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 5:03pm On Jul 17, 2015
Interesting Recce capabilities come to light:

Other South African military elements that will take part in Exercise Oxide include the air force (a C-130BZ, a C-47TP, a Super Lynx embarked on the deployed frigate and an Oryx medium transport helicopter), Special Forces including a submarine team, a submarine parachute action group and an airborne team

How do these guys fit into the Recce's?

What is the dedicated sea unit of the Recce's?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:35pm On Jul 17, 2015
agaugust:
Bwhahaha cheesycheesycheesy

South African websites where your mumu brothers said Egypt has no BVR missile....anyway, I have corrected them, Egypt has over 500 BVR missiles....your SANDF men don't even know basic weapons available all over Africa.

1 single Nigerian Vs 20 South Africans on a South African website including SANDF officers, yet all the 20 mumus are getting basic free education from that 1 single Nigerian boy cheesycheesycheesy

You truly have 50 million fools in South Africa !
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Augustus

do you actually beleive this?

Anyone can go on a forum and spew sh1t and get people to respond

Its called trolling - they called you out for what you are!

They obliterated you in debate and you quickly ran away and did your usual antics - you moved the goalposts, argued about semantics etc etc etc

Serous disquss forum members quickly chose to ignore you - thats how obvious a troll you are.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:32pm On Jul 17, 2015
agaugust:
1 single Nigerian VS 20 South Africans on defenceweb forum, yet your Southies cannot win a match played on their homeland soil .

Naijas still kicking Soweto azz with no mercy ! http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861
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Augustus

They have obliterated you

Its plain for all to see.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:31pm On Jul 17, 2015
agaugust:
The contest is between Angola and South Africa, or did you see F-7NI in that article?

SAAF has no BVR missile, if you buy one, Angola will buy one too.

WVR missiles of Su-30 has longer range than Gripen A-Darter, so in WVR your SAAF will be used for shooting practice by Angola tongue tongue
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That is because the F-7Ni is no contest

The massive irony is that you sit there and insult SAAF about the Su30

Yet you forget that Angola can reach you as well, and your aircraft are obsolete

At least we stand a fighting chance
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:30pm On Jul 17, 2015
agaugust:
Nope, Helmod Heitman is not the one making me to say yes, actually 3 South African military experts including your own SAAF jet fighter pilots are saying the same thing, so my agreement is based on 3 experts opinion, not one man Helmod.

The others agreeing with him and me are :


1 ) former 2 Squadron commander, Cobus Toerien, SAAF

2 ) Lieutenant Colonel Musa Mbhokota, Officer Commanding 2 Squadron at AFB Makhado, SAAF


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861

Three military experts say SAAF is dead, why should we argue with them ? They are very correct you know !
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They never once said SAAF is dead

liar
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 5:41pm On Jul 16, 2015
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:44pm On Jul 16, 2015
agaugust:
now confirmed by Janes Defense expert.
So then the account of this expert of the Battle of Bangui is valid?

You have just confirmed our claims of the battle of bangui!

Thank you grin grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:43pm On Jul 16, 2015
agaugust:
There is piracy in your SADC region.....or your navy has surrendered to pirates too ?

SANDF surrenders to Sudanese Toyota boys.

SAAF surrenders to Angolan Su-30 jets.

SAN surrenders to SADC regional pirates.

Nothing remains of South African national pride o !
What piracy is there in any waters patroled by SAN?

When did we surrender to toyota boys?

When did we surrender to Su-30's?

Facts are this:

1. Your national waters are a piracy hotbed, your inept and corrupt navy is powerless to stop them
2. If the Gripen is powerless against the Su30 - then the F7 is nothing more than a target drone, you stand no chance
3. Boko Haram in Toyota's forced your men to flee YOUR COUNTRY DRESSED AS WOMEN
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:41pm On Jul 16, 2015
agaugust:
Angola is master over South Africa, now confirmed by Janes Defense expert.
what does that mean for Nigeria?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:41pm On Jul 16, 2015
agaugust:
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Patches and other Southies on nairaland have quicly signed up to comment of defenceweb and african defence....see them saying Augustine is from Nairaland....LOL...desperate Southies exposed....azz whipped and bleeding from Augustine's horse whip

Matthys Jacobs TO Pierre Aycard • 3 hours ago

I wouldn't bother Pierre. The young gentlemen is question is clearly over his depth in this topic.
On some further investigation it seems the gentleman is actually Nigerian. He seems to frequent various Nigerian Military Blogs and the one he frequents the most seems to be Who has the strongest military in Africa which is preposterous and juvenile.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861

# Frustrated South Africans
Again, they are pointing out that you are a childish troll and that debating you is a waste of time

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