agaugust: South Africa has NO C-130 J air refueling tanker, if you buy one, Nigeria will buy Su-30 Flanker with air refueling tanker, not only you can buy new things.
You need eye surgery, go read your own post as written above, it says half of French pilots fly 180 hours on Rafale jet, the half of French pilots is more than enough to man all their Rafale's they have no shortage of pilots, they have more pilots than jets already....I coloured it in red font up in your post. Blind man !
South African pilots fly only 10 hours on Gripen, was proved here, your magical 60 hours is a pipe dream.
SAAF has ZERO combat qualified pilot today.
Read the post
Half of french pilots only fly 40 hours on their primary platforms
agaugust: We captured the pirated ship that was reported and confirmed to have been HIJACKED OFF THE COAST OF ANGOLA IN YOUR SADC BACKYARD where all of you could not catch a even a crab or crayfish with your navies that have ZERO force projection.
Angola cried and called Nigerian navy for help, they ignored South Africa and your SADC romance pact that you call defence pact
Yes you all said it, otherwise then show us the proof that SADC defence pact includes an agreement to use each other's land as military base to launch attack on other fellow African countries....prove it !
You captured the ship in YOUR WATERS
Thats what pirates think of your navy - they steal ships and SAIL TOWARDS YOU
africaken: true also the point man with NVG could have tracer rounds .i dont know if you have seen this video and seen how close those alshabaab were ,to the point they were next to an APC .I dont know how the defensive perimeter of camp was arranged but those guys were lucky
africaken: that's sad somebody pocketed some cash and bought knock offs , i read in some news article about the recent attempt by alshabaab to attack a KDF base in lamu .the soldiers complained they didn't have night vision google,when american's are buying them in the civilian market to go hunting.
Shouldent be very hard to get your hands on *some* NV equipment... even if its just for the patrols point-man or whomever is on "stag" on the base perimeter
Now I am going to spend the rest of my evening fighting the urge to buy myself some night vission goggles
agaugust: French pilots fly 150 hours to 180 hours, and France has a two tier pilot system, French first tier pilots fly 180 hours on Rafale, while second tier pilots fly 40 hours on Rafale plus 140 hours on similar aircraft to Rafale.....that is according to your own source posted above. Your source proved you wrong and prove me right....thanks for the suicide post brah
South African air force Gripen pilots fly a disgraceful 10 hours a year .
Are you illiterate?
Is that what they said?
NO! LIAR!
Rather than cut the flying time of all pilots by 17 percent (from 180 hours a year to 150), half the pilots would remain at 180 hours while the other half would be reduced to 40 hours in combat aircraft (like the Rafale) and another 140 hours in a high-end jet trainer aircraft (that are much cheaper to operate than the Rafale, or similar aircraft).
So, Gripen pilots fly 60 hours on the Gripen (proven) and then fly many more hours on the Hawk (likely)
agaugust: [s]I am laughing at the cowardice of South African navy, SAS Drakensberg had 10 anti-aircraft guns and early warning air defence radar, yet you were afraid of one NAF Alpha jet that had no single guided weapon.....Boko Haram has more courage than SANDF/SAN....they use 2 anti-aircraft guns to fire back at NAF Alpha jets, they don't run like you Southies....pant wetting cowards[/s] .
Still bragging about scaring off a Supply vessel?
Is that how few and pathetic the accomplishments of the Nigerian military are?
agaugust: [s]LOL....Chadian president has come to Abuja to pay homage to Buhari, I am sure he'e not thinking of accommodating South African jets on his land to invade Nigeria, you think he is mad? His country is land locked and feeds on sea trade coming from Nigeria, and his oil fields are on our borders, so he will favour South Africa and help you attack the source of his national cake ? Patrick the Fool
Nigeria is surrounded by French speaking countries who take orders from France, I am sure when they ask France for permit to help South Africa to attack Nigeria, the French president will laugh like a comedian. He does not need to say yes or no, he will just be laughing !
Did Chad help your SANDF in Bangui when Seleka rebels were azz r.aping your troops? Chadian army was there atching South African troops slaughtered like goats by Seleka. Did French army come out and fight for you? Nope, they sat down at the airport waiting for you to come beg for medical treatment and flight passage to run back home to Soweto.
South Africa is having a modern day post apartheid isolation, you just are not smart enough to see it[/s] .
agaugust: [s] Bwahahaha, you denied the same mutual defence agreement when we said Nigerian navy was being called by Angola to help them rescue ships captured by pirates, you said the regional defence agreement is not a real defence pact for joint military action[/s]
1. You captured the Angolan vessel in YOUR WATERS 2. I did not say that
agaugust: [s]Head of the AU is NOT commander in chief of all African presidents, nations and armies. You cannot even face Sudan's president and arrest him in your own country, he rubbished your court order, your entire judicial system, slapped Jacob Zuma's mouth and walked like a King to Pretoria airport....50 million Southies were trembling at home
Angola will eat SANDF for dinner. Zimbabwe has capacity to invade South Africa, Mugabe's army will just drive troops and armour across your common border, same way you don't see Rhino poachers, you won't know until Zimabwean troops are inside your country.
Mugabe's army is far better than Mandela's urinating troops, Zim was hot in Rwandan war. SANDF failed in Burundi crisis.
SANDF wet's trousers when they see Toyota....Zimbabwe has tanks, artillery, and air force to liquidate South Africa[/s] ! .
1. ANC never wanted to arrest the Sudanese president. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. 2. Angola was thrashed by the SADF in the past, SANDF is better equipped. Angola does not stand a chance 3. No nation that borders us has any capacity to mount a meaningfull invasion. 3a. We have Recon satelights, we know exactly what is happening outside our borders 4. Zimbabwean army is pathetic, tiny and poorly armed.
Dude, I dont mind an argument, but can you at least make a meaningfull one? You write trash, you know its trash and I know its trash. So please, raise your game.
lezz: Angola do not trust you one bit. Not after all those border wars. Remember the Angola defeat of south Africa ensured the independence of Namibia and other south African countries Why to you think Angola is arming and beefing it army heavily?
Why is the south African press lamenting the weak state of the SANDF, and even opining that the neighbours of south Africa can invade her if they so wish?
Your neighbours and all of Africa don't trust south African government government. Simple. Period Full stop. There's a subtle arm race within some SADC countries.
1. No one in SADAC has the ability to invade us 2. Angola is not beefing up, they are modernizing 3. We lament the state of the SANDF because unlike Nigeria we care about our military 4. They dont trust us? Who heads the AU
lezz: are you blind? Angola doesn't like south Africa. Same with Mozambique and Zimbabwe. They will gladly allow us use their airspace to chop you to size. Go read my post again.
They dont like us?
So I guess that is why we have mutual defence agreements
africaken: i believe that could easily be fixed with add on armour
catch 22
add armor and you lose the Panhards epic cross country performance and range
If used properly the Panhard will never come into range of 7.62 in any situation outside of an ambush
I posted that as a literal "fun fact", something I didnt think forum members would know and would improve collective knowledge. It was in no way a criticism, hell even the Ratel is susceptible to 7.62 on certain parts of the vehical
agaugust: African Union protocol and United Nations law on aggression.
Last time I checked, Chad fought in support of Nigeria and Cameroon is ready to join our multinational force....South Africa has ZERO influence in our region. Remember Ivory Coast, SAS Drakensberg ran away from West Africa with Soweto navy men pissing in their trousers.
Those countries like Zambia helped you against rebels that toppled a legitimate government. It's not the same as invading a country that has legitimate government.
You don't know international law, all of them will face embargoes, and once you team up with others, you will see Nigeria teaming up with Egypt, the world will see you and them as aggressors against one nation. Nigeria will get support from Egypt who are already in love with Nigerian military.
Not only you can do things, not only you can get foreign help, think like an adult.....buffoon
1. Chad fought to support Cameroon as Cameroon is Chad's main sea acess point, they care not about Nigeria
2. Still bragging about scaring off a supply vessel?
3. Egypt does not love your military, frankly Egypt doesnt give a sh1t about you
4. You dont know international law, or propaganda... your human rights abuses alone are good enough for Cassus Belli, and with Russia and China as our Comrades, any UN embargoes would be blocked by the Security Council
[s]French pilots fly 150 to 180 hours per year, and they have two tiers of pilots, regulars who fly basic hours, and elite who fly more hours.
SAAF pilots fly a shameful 10 hours a year, that means ZERO qualification for combat. Tanzanian F-7 jets will defeat SAAF .
Anyway, ground laser designators are useless to you because SAAF has no aircraft with range to reach Nigeria....finito !
NAF has AWACS capability on ATR-42, proved by manufacturer of it's Gabbiano radar air to air mode. Confirmed here with sources many times.
SAAF too uses civilian grade radar for fixed very long range radar detection, you do not have military radar of 500 km range.
Thales radar is world class, you cannot fly 12 to 24 aircraft and escape detection by Nigerian Thales radar, your aircraft are NOT stealth, and a whole two squadrons makes a huge radar signature for super easy detection, your huge aircraft formation will be seen 500 km away, even our radar satellites and Gulf of Guinea OPVs would have detected you air force right from when you pass Angola 1,000 km away from Lagos.
Hey, we don't need this argument, SAAF has ZERO air refueling capability to fly 9,000 km so your fuel of 600 km will end your journey inside Atlantic ocean, fish and octopus will eat all your drowned pilots.
South African recces that used submarine in bush war are now old, retired, dead, or sick on wheel chair.
I like the way you said "In the past, SADF did it".....you admit it's past glory, so sad your glory is past tence
Today's SADF recces NO LONGER exist in that old form, Mandela flushed out all the experienced apartheid soldiers. Col Eben Barlow is now an enemy of South African ANC government that wants to arrest him, your best now works for Nigeria today 2015 as our servant, we can even turn your own ex-recces against you with our dollars ! Now you have black rookies who have ZERO war experience, your current special forces were defeated in your homeland by Rhino poachers.
That Nigerian Niger delta is mangrove swamp terrain, it's not the dry land bush you have in Angola. Water snakes, crocodiles, sinking mud bogland, deadly insects etc are all there and no South African soldier has experience of such terrain.
Our Niger delta is the most heavily patrolled region in Africa....thousands of marine police, amphibious army, civil defense gendarme on every oil installation infrastructure, navy riflemen, and Niger Delta militants who are masters of the terrain were employed by government to monitor the whole region....and the oil refinery is not on the coastline, it's built in the towns suburbs in open land heavily guarded, so you need to cross the massive swamps first and all the tens of thousands of military, paramilitary, and militant patrol teams of armed men that were born and grew up inside that swamp....yöur SANDF troop are dead on arrival !
Niger delta oil region is the most defended part of Nigeria, there is total coverage coastal radars and total coverage of TV cameras with real time videos and 50 km range from shore to sea, when your submarine surfaces it will be seen !
Your recces will be captured alive in Ijaw land so they will be used for sacrifice at the idols shrine of Ijaw Egbesu cult, please send them to come o, preferably white-men, Egbesu loves to drink the blood of strangers[/s] .
2. The capability to deploy men from submarines, or via HALO jumps to submarines still exists within the Recce's 2a. Recce's have deployed from submarines to attack targets in the past, in real life wartime scenarios
3. The ATR42 is not an AWAC's platform it is an MPA platform These are simple facts, i care not for your long rambling postulations and pontfications, I deal in fact, and these are the facts as they stand.
4. You can turn our Recces against us? Just because you say so? Fine, we will supply the over 18 rebel groups in Nigeria with weapons.
agaugust: The guy thinks other African countries will donate their airport and fuel to South Africa for use in attacking Nigeria, he thinks international politicians run diplomacy like on the streets of Soweto who support on street gang against another by throwing stones and burning tyres across the road.
South Africa that cannot even arrest a criminal Sudanese president on Pretoria's homeland soil even with a court order. He thinks South Africa has political influence to do and undo in Africa.
ANC government did not want to arrest him in the first place
Uganda and Zambia allready allow us to use their facilities what is to stop nations that dislike Nigeria (Cameroon or Chad) from doing the same?
agaugust: South African recce troops will enter Nigerian oil field in Niger Delta swamps and be operating there? Asari Dokubo's militants will use your men for sacrifice to his village idols at the ever thirsty Egbesu shrine, the cult will appreciate a pot full of fresh white-men's blood
[s]Nigerian 500 km ground radar (Civilian grade radars detect even a small Cessna plane), 407 km AWACS, F-7 jets with PL-9 missiles.....your SAAF has ZERO combat qualified Gripen pilot, and all your Hawk pilots have ZERO war experience with their jets.....NAF flew 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months.....South Africa won't have any air force left on earth if you ever manage to fly 10,000 km with your 600 km fuel....[/s]Mumu .
South African special forces have deployed from submarines to raid oil instillations in the past
Dont talk to me about civilian grade equipment that can easily be defeated by low level flying
ATR42 isnt AWACS
At around 60 hours per year (10 more than most french pilots) I would say that at the very least we are combat qualfied
denisfidha: The Kenya Administration police used to be the one with an active role in border patrol, they have a border patrol unit but its too poorly resourced to deal with militants, but I've seen videos of joint boder patrol (army and police)
lezz: all your claims are wrapped in controversy. We have dealt with these claims many times in the past. SANDF victory in general are those she had in collaboration with multinational forces of which she wasn't leading the missions.
SA lead the missions in SWA and East Africa in WW1
SA lead the missions in Ethiopa and Madagascar in WW2 (Italians and Vichy French)
SA lead her own squadron in Korea, against a determined and well armed enemy
32 battles in the border war - SADF won them all, SADF lead them all
Nigeria has never fought against a well trained and armed opponent - the fact that you cannot even handle poorly armed boko haram in your own country is absolutely pathetic, and your involvement in Sierra Leon and Liberia was a fvcking shambles with the British and Americans coming in and doing in months what you failed to do in a decade.
agaugust: You keep assuming Nigeria has only Roland and no air force ! Fool, ya wanna die in battle ?
1. Forget seeker head, FLIR, infra red or infra white, any laser, targeting pod blah blah blah. Your laser needs a ground based laser designator placed on the target itself, so how did you enter Nigeria to place laser target designator on vital installations and infrastructure? You are attacking Nigeria from inside Nigeria? Are you drunk ?
Okay me too I will be inside your Pretoria presidential palace stabbing Zuma with a knife .
2. How will your Hawk jet travel 10,000 km with only 600 km fuel ? How do you attack Nigerian oil refinery 10,000 km away ? I keep asking .
3. Assume witches and wizards help you fly 9,000 km by witchcraft magical powers, but Nigeria has 500 km radar at the coastline, we detect your incoming Hawk jets from 500 kim away and scramble F-7 jets to intercept, ATR-42 has 407 km range AWACS radar mode and 200 targets tracking, ECCM jamming, ESM and ELINT + SATCOM, we control 100% of the air battle space and in 5 minutes F-7 jets will be eating up your slow speed Hawk jets before they get into range to launch a fvcking 100 km range bomb.
When NAF F-7 jets intercept, all your Soweto air force jets will not go forward, they are either fighting for survival or running back home to mummy and daddy....
#Mission Impossible .
1. What is GPS-INS guidance? How deep have Recces operated behind enemy lines and what is the "Baja 500" award?
2. Hypothetical situation, geography is irrelevant
3. What 500 km radar? Civilian grade designed for detecting airliners? What are gripen?
You think your obsolete F7 based on a 50 year old design scares us when we have Gripen?
Answer these questions and you will realize the idiocy of your post
agaugust: The old guided bombs were battle tested, even though a lot of false propaganda claims were made by SADF, they are still ahead of Al-Tariq bomb that has not seen battle to see how it performs when facing ECM jamming from enemy and against enemy air defence with it's fvcking snail slow gliding speed that makes even a Shilka AA gun able to sh.oot it down !
The Al-Tariq has ZERO combat history to prove anything ! Roland has 100% Success in combat, it brings d.own both the enemy jet, the pilot, and all the b.ombs you drop !
Show me your Al-Tariq's war records.....I dare you .
1. A design based on a battle tested design 2. ECM jamming does not work against the Umbani 3. Who said its snail slow? 4. Can a shilka target it? 5. Roland has a terrible combat record - 100 Roland launchers in Iraq and they only shot down 3 lowflying aircraf
"combat tested" is the last refuge a man takes when his argument is in tatters
agaugust: Your FLIR or targeting pod has 120 km stand off range? No
Blow up bridge, enemy uses bridge layers or reconstruction. To blow up runway, ammo depot, etc you are attacking heavily defended targets, either your guided bomb or Hawk jet or both, will be eaten up by enemy air defenses.
# Tried Again Failed Again .
GPS–INS for long range guidance, imaging infrared or a semi-active laser seeker for final phase attack... or just GPS-INS for the entire approach if we are hitting static targets
Ok, we blow your bridge, you fix it... we blow it again
Heavily defended? You have 16 Rolands... how many ammo dumps, forward bases, airstrips, bridges, ammo dumps, HQ's etc will you deploy in a full scale war? How much infrastructure is present in any one place?
To defend against a full scale attack from Hawks (25 with 4 Al-Tariq each) you need to deploy 12 Rolands... and that is assuming an impossible 100% hit rate for the Roland
It is impossible for you to defend a full sized formation from us, your Rolands will be clustered around one or two vital points, leaving the rest of your military infastructure exposed for attack
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:31pm On Jul 13, 2015
