agaugust: Your South African white men on defenceweb are asking Augustine to join their club....LOL...Naija proves superiority on South African website !
Richard Young TO Augustine • 23 minutes ago Can I join your club or would you like to join mine?
agaugust: . [size=13pt]We shall ground our air force like dead anytime Angolan air force is in the air !
- Source : South African military expert.
"Military analyst Helmoed Heitman's blunt assessment is to keep the Gripens on the ground, he says : The Sukhois have more tiger in the tank to get away speedily and their missiles and radar to me say ground the Gripens while they are around."
South African military experts have warned the SAAF to ground all Gripen jets when Angolan Su-30 is ruling the air !
As usual, South African military surrenders before the battle begins, total surrender to the will of Angola, their new master.
And again, if we must ground our Gripen in the face of the Su30... what does that mean for the Nigerian airforce with your ancient F7's? If our airforce is dead, then yours is a fossil!! Its been dead for a millennium!!
agaugust: [s]I guess you are not reading the comments there, it has hit 166 comments.....all because Agustine showed up, every South African is trembling....see your foolish citizens saying Egypt has no BVR missiles, I have educated them. Some even say Ethiopian pilots are not good and that today foreign mercenaries still fly Ethiopian jets....LOL....see mumus all over South Africa....dullards everywhere !
Nigerian military researchers now tormenting South Africans on their own defenceweb magazine....panic and fear envelopes South Africa as the Naija expert exposes SAAF weaknesses.....while Angola watches the debate, eating pop corn and pepsi cola[/s] .
hahahah - this is what you think you are doing?
In reality you are humiliating yourself, you are getting thrashed!!
agaugust: Northern Angola ? Citation needed to prove that.
Well, the pirates who did not fear our navy got arrested and busted by our navy.....now they now who to fear.....so next time they will go in the direction of South Africa.....it's safer to do piracy in your waters because you have never arrested one .
Citations have been posted many times in the past
We havent arrested pirates in our waters BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PIRATES IN OUR WATERS and this is because our navy is able to effectivly police our waters
Unlike your navy - who are so incompetant that Nigeria remains a piracy hot-spot!!
Darren, I find your response to my reply, just similar in principle to your original essay, it's still all your personal speculative assumptions as I cannot find any reliable technical source to confirm almost everything you claim.
1. There is no proof that Angola has no money, oil and gas money, to buy a better radar, and there is no proof that the radar on the Su-30K is still the same radar after upgrade. There are many radar options for an Su-30 wih range from 100 km to 400 km. Can you please prove with a source beyond dispute, the exact radar model that Angola has after the upgrade ?
2. I have contrary reports from Czechs and Hungarian Gripen pilots who claimed to have severally shot down SAAF Gripens in Lion Effort, can you prove me wrong or prove yourself right with a valid source that can be presented in an international forum?
3. RCS numbers on internet for many jet fighters are mere speculations, you have any proof from SAAB for the Gripen?
4. A-Darter 19 km is a bad range for a missile when the Gripen is up against a super maneuverable deadly dog fighter Su-30 Flanker in close range combat where missile can hit target in 15 seconds.
5. Angolan Su-30 has combat range of about 3,000 km and South Africa is about 2,500 km away for a round trip, so how come you say 12 Su-30 jets cannot do much damage to South Africa when jets do random combat sorties? Basic maths and geography maps proves your claim to be very strange.
6. Switch off all the radar you want on the Gripen, and it will be easily detected by an Angolan Su-30, since when did radar waves start failing to detect jet fighters that are not stealth? I need proof that law of physics has now changed and a metal Gripen jet as big as a trailer/truck will not reflect radar waves.
Enemy radar detects you because you have a metal piece of object in the air, not because you have your own radar on.
7. RCS could be small, but does not save you from radar detection, good jets will detect enemy aircraft and also detect it's missile after launch, the RCS of a tiny missile is being detected and you get a missile approach warning, then somebody wants to tell the world that a huge jet fighter will not be detected because it has some kind of RCS....when it is not stealth? Even a stealth jet with a little bomb bay opening to discharge ordnance will get detected by good radar, USAF F-117 Nighthawk stealth jet was detected by an old Serbian radar and shot down in Bosnia war.
When one writes assumptions, he should let readers know he is speculating and writing personal opinions.
agaugust: . [size=13pt] South Africa admits Angola is her new master
"Top South African military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the Sukhoi has longer legs than the Gripen and this, added to the planned Angolan over the horizon missile buy, makes it a more effective platform than the Gripen. In South Africa, shortages in the defence budget mean similar weapons systems for the Gripen are not forthcoming."[/size]
agaugust: [s]Both NAF and SAAF have no BVR missiles, so what will he say? I just picked holes in his writing and he has admitted errors he made.
Bwahahaha
I made all those researchers to eat their words and eat the humble pie !
See how Darren quickly agreed with me when I knocked out his first point about Angolan pilots skill level, if I did not challenge him, he was already deceiving people, now go back and see how people responded to my comment and agreed with me, Darren had no choice than to immediately withdraw his words and say he does not actually know Angola pilot's capability and he quickly added that yes he is aware of some very good Angolan jet pilots.....so he knwe, why did he not say say and give Angola credit until I forces him to do so ?
I also corrected him on A-Darter missile range of 19 km NOT 20 km, he agreed with me.....he was posting rubbish until I corrected him.
Well, he has met a Nigerian military researcher, and I am going to make him sweat like a new yam goat, I am going back to demol.ish all his other claims that have no single proof, he is a military speculator NOT a researcher, he has no facts and figures, he is writing personal opinion.
Also, I am going back to defence web to demolish there, I hope Helmod Heitman will be willing to talk to me.....Time to show Naija skills[/s] ! .
Augustus
He very polity, but very firmly, annihilated you - point by point
Its plain to see for all the members on this forum
agaugust: 1. News report says there is current budget constraint, you have no money to buy anything new :
"Gauteng Afrikaans daily Beeld approached military analyst Helmoed Heitman who said that in South Africa, shortages in the defence budget mean similar weapons systems for the Gripen are not forthcoming."
2. Zambia and Congo DRC will not violate UN and AU international law of sovereignty to allow SAAF use their airports to attack another country.....plus the Gripen fuel combat radius of 850 km is too short for the 3,600 km round trip from Congo to Nigeria. Fool
3. No BVR missiles for SAAF....You are confirmed broke by the current new 2015 report published just yesterday !
4. SAAF is dead and buried with Nelson Mandela
Angola is your new master !
1. No, it says under the current budget there is no immediate plans for BVR. Also, next year the Defence Reveiw gets implimented and our budget will allmost double
2. They allowed us to use their airports to prepare to attack CAR - same with Uganda
3. Not budgeted for does not mean broke. BVR is a low priority - which nation are we expecting to engage in air-combat with?
4. Because you say so?
Angola is also your new master!! They can rain terror on port harcourt and you stand less chance than us of stopping them!!
agaugust: At 17 he is a minor, at 18 the law in Canada requires all citizens to forfeit one of their other citizenships to get Canadian and American citizenships, law is law, you Southies know nothing apart from the little happening in your ANC prison yard, you don't travel.
You realize I live in Korea right?
And fyi, I have travelled to or worked in: England (London, Reading, Hull) , Scotland (Glasgow), France (Paris, Leon, Vichy), Austria (Salzburg), Germany (Munich), China (Beijing), Russia (Vladivostok), Japan (Okinawa), Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Swaziland, Tanzania and Kenya
And next month I take my week long vacation in Mali
I can talk from experience when I say that most middle and upper-middle class South Africans are generally very well traveled.
"A brief assessment points out the Gripen is faster but has less firepower while the Su-30K is more powerful and can carry more weapons. The Sukhoi also has better weapons systems while South Africa’s Gripens are hamstrung in this department by budgetary constraints (at present they are only fitted with visual range IRIS-T air-to-air missiles for aerial combat)."
jln115: Actually I did say Sub Sahara! and yes I believe we are top dog in Sub Sahara Africa when it comes to Airpower especially when the meteor and marlin enters service
DictatorZAR: Why are you still acting like a foooool.
Answer me how will you use a BVR if you can't even detect a gripen unless you go full fry on a radar system which will allow the Gripen to detect you first. you also forgot that EW systems on the Gripen can defeat those Ethiopian missiles and the fact that the IRST and A-Datar can also protect the Gripen.
When the Meteor is fully in service SAAF has plans to acquire it as an interim missile until the Marlin is ready in a few years.
Currently Nigeria is even in a worse position its behind SA, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda and Angola so I would shut up and get my facts together if I were you.
Just wait until he realizes that the Angolans can strike as far as Port Harcourt
and then wait for him to realize that the F7 is obsolete and inferior to the Gripen - especially in BVR combat
agaugust: The current top guns in Sub Saharan Africa are Ethiopia and Eritrea, the only two air forces to have fought modern war with modern jets and BVR missiles sh.ooting down modern 4th generation jet fighters in year 2000 Badme war.
SAAF has ZERO combat experience with Gripens, tiny Eritrea will roast Southies with BVR missiles.
South African air force is dead according to your own military experts' analysis :
South African air force is dead, we have been saying this for a long time, now confirmed !
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[size=13pt]Where in the report does it say any of the things you listed here?
The only thing that has a quantum of truth is that Angolans can attack SAAF bases... but even that you have taken out of context!!
Not a single thing that you have proclaimed in your post is mentioned anywhere in the article!
Yet again you tell lie after lie
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[size=20pt]Also, I see that you have forgotten that Nigeria flys ancient F-7's, and that Angola can also strike Nigerian Airforce bases and that if the Gripen are "worth nothing" against Angolan SU30's (this is what YOU said - not the artical) then what are your F-7's worth??
lezz: [s] lol lol lol, Of everything I have thought about patrick, I never thought you could be this emotionally philosophical. A long post of blurred submission laced with emotions for facts.
The problem with you south Africans is grand illusion. You push the pre1994 south Africa on our noses, you give us false or obscure statistics. When apartheid existed , the south Africa that was showcased to the world was ok, it only had racism as a spot on its stainless posterior.
Then after 1994 the anc stepped into power and the everything started falling apart in a full sweep.
Patrick, I want you to look me in the eye and tell me blacks are not complaining that apartheid whites managed the economy better.
Look me in the eye and tell me , many white military personnel and pilots didn't flee south Africa after zulus came in.
Tell me your infrastructure and institutions are not collapsing. Tell me your education system isn't a shadow of itself .
Every stride of of the boers, every city built by the boers , every infrastructure erected by the afrikaners were overwhelmingly outstripped by the slums and ghettos of zulus. Jo burg witness open defecation and street pissing.
Soweto became the biggest rat infested slum on earth with faeces at every turn. The government in a frantic effort of self consciousness tried to cover soweto with a sugar coated facade. But the city of khayelitsha emerged as the second biggest ghetto in africa and giant rat had consumed human babies on more than 3 occasions. No where else in africa is this happening.
The sugar coated facade of soweto melted away on a sunny revelation of pretense and hypocrisy. Open toilet with faeces running over are common sight.
You lost the top economic spot to us. Pre 1994 south Africa accounted for 40% of the gdp of sub Sahara africa. Today it isnt up to 25%. You have lost that sport to us. South africa used to account for more billionaires in africa. Today she trails Nigeria almost 3 to 1.
Your manufacturing is decreasing as is your FDI.
Everything In south africa is a pretence. No one tells himself the truth. You coloured and black south African are self deceivers and pretenders. When you inherited a white owned and built south africa, and merged it with your backwater slum of soweto, you ought to have remained low keyed and faced the task ahead of a unified south africa. Instead, you let yourself believed the nonsense and baseless hype of "rainbow" nation. Shiit hit the fan and Nigeria tool you by shock.
You resisted our newly founded economic statistics. For month you claimed it wasn't true. I am talking from statements from your tact less government officials who are barely literate enough to use diplomacy. You had to stoop to bride just to host a world cup to carry on the deceit and self made hypes.
Remember when I first wandered into this thread, I was quite innocent. I made a very humbled and pain submission which I shall quote : " if south Africa and Nigeria were to engage in a full scale war, it would probably end in stalemate, none of the two countries had the economic viability to prosecute a full scale war expecially one in a far away country".
I got 5 "likes" and 6 "mentions". The mentions were from zulus who were slaves, who hadn't finished adjusting from hauling spears to using automatic weapons telling me I was myopic.
That unleashed the troll in me, that unlocked the naked facts I have been covering with false civility.
South africa is a dying nation. Every analyst from Prague to Paris has predicted it.
When you awaken from your sleep, you will arise to reality and acknowledge that what befell Argentina in south America is south Africa's very fate.[/s]
I dont care about your opinion - I want to see facts that substantiate your argument.
lezz: *****in Gordon browns voice**** [s]Oh shut up, patches, the swollen toad. It gives me joy each time you take time off from your fraudulent submission to quote me . You aren't my favorite zulu though, you're too much of an E-criminal to come close.
South Africa's poverty rate is 46% . Zulus (blacks ) makes almost 85 % of the population and over 80% of zulus barely made it out of the poverty line.
Nigeria has published her HIV rate globally. South africa still holds the crown.
Your HIV prevalence rate is an indictment to your health system. The boars who managed your health system pre1994 have mostly gone. Zulus look like clowns in a medical suit.
Nigeria has 25% unemployment rate. South africa has more.
All the other racial and tribal horse shot are reality in south africa. Except you have mastered the art of self deception, you must know I troll with facts no south African dare accept here, in front of the watching world[/s]
Everything i said is a fact and has been backed up with citation in this thread
Not a single statement of yours has any factual grounding.
What gives me joy is that not only I know this, but you know this.
In about 5 min I am going to go to sleep, and I will sleep happy knowing these facts - that South Africa, in every conceivable measurable way is superior to Nigeria.
And you, sitting there frantically banging away on your keyboard know this as well, somewhere deep inside of you it burns, a painful flame in your consciousness - its what drives you to make these hateful little posts, its what fixates you on the Zulu people. You can pretend it isnt there, you can tell yourself its untrue, sometimes I am sure you can even manage to convince yourself that it is untrue.
But yet, it comes back - and it will allways be there, burning away.
You can argue, make up statements, do whatever you want. It doesnt change anything and it never will change anything.
I know, and you know, that South Africa is utterly and completely superior.
1 ) The average black/coloured south African feeds from rats dump. You're a quasi -21st century slave. Comparing yourself to Nigerians is your own way of massaging your ego which is bruised from realizing that you were the world's very last slaves.
2) you're more likely to die of hiv. Your hospitals use cell phone lights to carry out major operation. 3 patients are sandwiched together in a single bed. 3) since Nigeria has more millionaires and billionaires than South africa , plus you have a national unemployment rate of 29% with black unemployment at over 45%, chances are you're still the head cleaner in Sandton.
4) zulus are the cancer of world. Dogs don't order dogs. You're a native dog on two feet . The usual dogs you see around are superior to you in heritage, iq,and by birth. Millions of years of evolution made sure a dog has a higher dispositions of purpose than any zulu....dead or alive. 5) you have no heritage other than slavery and cowardice. Your history is written in obliterated obscurity. Funny, every bone - headed south African is denying being a zulu now that I turn the screw on.
Every last blood in your vein yearns for your natural habitation - the jungles of zulu natal.after 300years of subzero existence , zulus are yet to adjust to modern codes of civility. You still stare at your feet when talking to an afrikaner
You are the inconsequential droppings of nature.. Your only usefulness will be in a psychiatrist lab for the study of the adaptability process of a zulu into the circles of civilization.
You Maladjusted guttersnipe. backwater dweller.
Next round.
1. Poverty rate in Nigeria 33%, South Africa 9%. It seems the complete opposit is true
2. We know our HIV rates because we have effective testing, most Nigerians dont know what they are dying from 2a. That happened once because someone forgot to full up the emergency generators 2b. WHO rates our healthcare system above yours 2c. South Africa has 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people, Nigeria only 0.53 - meaning you have only 18% of the medical capacity we do 2d. We have 0.8 doctors per 1000 people, Nigeria only 0.4 meaning we have double the number of Doctors you do per person
3. Nigeria has roughly the same unemployment rate as south africa
4. Blah blah blah, some tribalist BS
5. blah blah blah, some nonsensical BS
So, we see (again) that the complete opposit of every point you have raised is true
Yet again we see that South Africa is superior to Nigeria
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:40pm On Jul 16, 2015
