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Henry120:
If that vehicle costs over €800,00 a unit, provides virtually no protection, adequate firepower and it's only advantage is been Air Transportable, I say Ditch it!

There is no place in the military for these vehicles. The Oshkosh M-ATV and Plasan Sandcat are proper vehicles which can well fulfill the role of over-priced SPVs and they cost half the price.

I think your mistake is in assuming that they cost that much

Dude, all the SF around the world use these vehicals for a reason

africaken:
who killed COLONEL mamadou ndala ? its in french but has serious engagement footage between M23 and Congolese army

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpS4-8WFkw

Found this in the video

Wtf?

agaugust:
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[s]Nigeria broke, bankrupt ? Bwahaha

Nigeria's Dollar reserve rises from $28.5 billion to $31.5 billion

LOL....Bankrupt people save $3 billion cash into reserves in 2 months ?

No wonder NAF just bought over a dozen new helicopter gunships this year[/s] !
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Blah blah blah

You are broke

You had to borrow money to buy your last set of arms

You have no money to buy new arms

agaugust:
Suicide post ! Iraq bought Roland in 1981 before Nigeria, they used it against Iran and sh.ot down F-4 Phantom jets in Persian war.

Nigeria, Venezuela, Qatar all bought Roland after Iraq, and the 3 countries still use them today, Spain too still uses Roland in NATO !

I LOVE YOUR SUICIDE

Just to shame y.ou the more, Nigerian army just deployed Roland SAM to North East some months ago....photo proof...
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How is that a suicide post?

Iraq got their missiles at roughly the same time as you

Iraq missiles found in 2003 were expired - thus your missiles of the same age are expired.

Photo proof of some men holding a missile does not mean the missile works

agaugust:
Nope, G-7 countries asked Buhari to bring a list of whatever he wanted.

Show us proof that USA Apache helicopters were on the list in Buhari's presentation.

NAF has over 50 units of Russian and French combat helicopters already in action now, even SAAF does not have that much, you have 10 combat helicopters.

NAF Russian helicopters have proved very effective against Boko Haram, so what don't need American Apache helicopter that failed to defeat Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan.

Money? Yes Nigeria has money and we just purchases a squadron of brand new Eurocopter helicopter gunships this 2015 to add to our stock !
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1. G7 did not say "bring a list of whatever you want"- CITATION NEEDED

2. Even Henry120 said YOU WILL NOT get the Apache

3. You have a collection of obsolete platforms operated by Mercenaries

4. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Hind failed to defeat the Taliban, Hind failed to defeat M23... you think the Hind is better than the Apache?? HHAHAHAHAH

5. Nigeria is broke

agaugust:
Nigeria will not legalize gay marriage, our morals are cleaner than yours....Buhari tells America face to face with boldness !

http://africansuntimes.com/2015/07/buhari-tells-obama-absolutely-no-on-same-sex-marriage/

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No that is not morality

That is the repression of basic human rights

agaugust:
1,000 European/American white mercenaries were paid to fight for SADF in Angolan bush war to save lazy South Africa
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Where do you get 1000 from?

You confuse VOLUNTEERS with MERCENARIES

agaugust:
Show us photos of South African mercenary pilots flying computerized state-of-the art hi-tech NAF Mi-35 Hind E helicopter
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lol

agaugust:
Nobody disputes Mandela's death, it's not a secret.

Your mercenary pilot claim is disputed by NAF, and according to you it's a secret....a lie actually...no proof .
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We all saw the WHITE hind Pilot in the Vice documentary

agaugust:
You tell lies a lot....too much !

US embarrassed as Taliban steal Humvees
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | November 12, 2008

TALIBAN militants were driving around in captured US army Humvee armoured vehicles in Pakistan's tribal region close to the historic Khyber Pass last night after hijacking more than a dozen supply trucks travelling along the vital land route that supplies coalition forces in Afghanistan.

The capture of the Humvees - these days the symbol of US intervention in Iraq and elsewhere - is a serious embarrassment to US commanders of the coalition forces.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87c_1226441019#fLXkqqB4KgmsbUmQ.99
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Trucks being stolen from supply convoys in Pakistan =/= Nigerian Tanks/APC's/IFV's/Artillery captured because Nigerians ran away

agaugust:
1. G6 is just a gun NOT an advanced guided missile system. SANDF has NO single land based Umkhonto in service, it's under development.

2. The 12 km ceiling of a missile you do not have yet = 0 km ceiling

3. South African military experts have decided that SAAF Gripens stay parked and hidden on ground at the air base anytime Angola is in the air

4. Nigeria has Roland missile in service

5. Angola is more of a threat to SADC than ECOWAS, we have no contest for regional dominance, we belong to different regions.

#YourGameKeeps GoingDown
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1. G6 is a very advanced and complex peice of equipment. SADF had NO single G6 in service at Quito, it was under development

2. Actually, its 15km

3. That is not what they concluded, dont be obtuse

4. With expired missiles

5. Why is Angola more of a threat to the nations it has an ALLIANCE with than one it does not? Belonging to different regions makes it MORE likely they will attack you, you stuttering dolt.

agaugust:
Citation needed that Roland is not operational in Nigerian army arsenal, we paraded it just last year, so show me proof of it's expiry date.

Nobody will fly Su-30 Flanker into range of anti-aircraft gun like a fool.

Whatever South Africa has will be destroyed by Angola, even your SAAF pilots on defenceweb have agreed that Angola can destroy Eskom.

Angola will carpet bomb the SANDF with iron bombs and incendiary bombs, at 5 km altitude and you will have no army left on earth !

NAF F-7 jets = SAAF Gripen....but our pilots fly more and are better, all combat qualified, your own are ZERO qualified for combat
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1. Iraqi missiles bought AFTER your missiles were found to be EXPIRED. Conclusion: Roland missiles are expired
2. They will have to fly low to deploy unguided bombs and rockets
3. LOL - you really think they will do this? With what accuracy? they will bomb the empty veldt and nothing else!
4. F7 =/= Gripen and no, your pilots are not better

agaugust:
Fact is that everything Boko Haram captured has be recovered by Nigerian army or destroyed, what is the use of capturing a vehicle and losing it back to the owner, what has Boko Haram gained, 3 months celebration followed by death and defeat? LOL. Boko got killed cheaply.

We dont have 42 military bases in NE, Boko Haram 'captured' 45 towns and we have killed all of them and taken back our towns, so who loses? Boko Haram. Who wins? Nigerian military.

Nobody cares about the middle of a war, the most important thing is the end of the war, and Nigeria has won.

Germany was winning and capturing whole nations all over Europe at the beginning of world war II, but they lost the war at the end and got cut down into pieces, so what matters is the end of a war.

Nigeria has won the war. Show me a South African war that your South African SADF/SANDF has ever won in your modern military history.

Born to fail....SANDF

Stop asking for old things to be repeated, Taliban captures American military vehicles and drives them around, the mighty USA does not have the half the courage of Nigerian troops to go get their armoured vehicles back from terrorists.

Nigerian soldiers are braver than American soldiers in final result of war....USA is running away from Afghanistan after failure for 13 years

PHOTO : TALIBAN POSING WITH CAPTURED AMERICAN ARMY ARMOURED VEHICLES, THEY CAPTURED MANY !
https://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL085/upload/2008/11/BEMIL085_114100_2.jpg
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1. Thats unknown insurgents posing with a HMV of unknown background (Could be ANA, ANP, INA, INP)
2. You lost over 42 bases - and the war rages on as we speak
3. You won the war? Yet it rages on!
3a. WW1 (East Africa), WW2 (Madagascar, Ethiopia), Angola
4. American soldiers secured a FOREIGN COUNTRY and are going home. Nigerian soldiers are unable to defend THEIR OWN COUNTRY

agaugust:
SANDF has NO land based Umkhonto missile in service, and no date for service has been fixed, it's still under testing and maybe in service year 2020....and the max ceiling is only 12 km for the next generation development, the current one is only 8km ceiling. Angola will make slaves out of you all inside Cape Colony.

NAF and SAAF both have short range missiles. Your Gripen is worth nothing when NAF has the same missile range.

NA has better air defence missiles than SANDF.

Angola is better than both of us, but their region of influence is your backyard SADC not our own ECOWAS, did you see the South African military analysts mention threat to Nigeria on defenceweb? No, the threat is in your home, Angola is contesting SADC airspace and will take over from South Africa while you watch dumbfounded and helpless
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1. G6 was still in development when it was used in Quito
2. Ceiling of 12km is better than the ceiling of the Roland
3. Gripen > F7 in WVR
4. No you dont
5. Angolan Su30K's can reach Nigeria

So easy to defeat

#UpYourGame

agaugust:
My bros, only one source is saying NAF will buy Apache helicopter from USA.

NAF is saying they want T-129 ATAK helciopter from Turkey.

USA has not said anything about selling weapons to Nigeria, but with $ 1 Billion weapons credit line from Russia still not used and waiting there in the bank, President Putin is ready to sell anything to Nigeria, he is just waiting for Buhari to ask.

Nigeria won all our wars with NO American weapons... Biafra, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Niger Delta, Boko Haram. All we need is more weapons form Russia, China, and Pakistan. Even Egypt and Israel are now respecting Nigerian military the way we use our Russian/Chinese weapons so impressively and effectively.

NAF does not need Apache, we have enough helicopters already :

8 Mi-35 P

18 Mi-35 M Hind E

18 Mi-171s Terminator

Undisclosed number s of Eurocopter AS555 armed helicopters now seen in photos everywhere in NAF base and army bases, Nigeria has well over 50 combat helicopter gunships, we have the best helicopter force in Africa today, and it is enough.

I think Buhari is playing a smart game on Obama's head....Baba Buhari has rejected Gay Marriage in Nigeria, he told Obama to his face.

Now let us see the next joker Buhari will play, he is smarter than that Obama boy
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hahahahaha

This delusion!

- Americans ARE NOT going to be selling you ANY weapons
- Your old russians Hinds are obsolete weapons platforms
- you dont have the money for the ATAK
- Isreal is not researching you, why would the master of modern warfare study the buffoon who had to hire mercenaries and beg chad and cameroon to win a war for them?

Your delusions of grandeur continue, its a disease for Nigerians.... it causes them to be too emotional, blind to how weak they are, easy to exploit.

Watching Nigerian international relations is like watching a 5 year old ask an adult for money, cute and pathetic.

agaugust:
Nigerian Roland is still fully active and SANDF has NOTHING in that class.

The equipment in the photo is not SANDF, your GBADS system is not yet operational, and the guns there are 35mm cannon for shooting down low flying slow flying aircraft NOT supersonic jets like Su-30 Flanker of Angola.

The land based Umkhonto is NOT yet operational.

SANDF Starstreak missile has max ceiling of only 1km and Angolan Su-30 flies at 17 km.

Dos Santos will capture Jacob Zuma alive and make your country pay ransome to save him, you will go borrow money from IMF to pay Angola
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1. Roland is not operational - your missiles have expired
2. G6 artillery was not "operational" or in service with the SADF when it was used against the Cubans at Quito. If Denel has it, and the SANDF needs it, they get it.
3. 35mm Cannon with SKysheild upgrade are more than capable of hitting the Flanker if it comes in range
4. What munitions will the Su30K be able to deploy from above 1km? They only have "dumb bombs" which mean they have to fly low to deploy them!

And again, you insult SAAF but forget that Nigeria's airforce is in a much much worse state!

agaugust:
[s]Show us 400 Nigerian troops in women's dresses fleeing, show me photo

Only one Nigerian soldier dressed as a woman to escape a Boko Haram battalion, yes he is an intelligent soldier, he evaded hundreds of enemy troops, avoided capture by tricking them as a master of disguise, he say all the Boko Haram positions and equipment, then walked through them like a spirit and reported back to base in Nigeria....Colonel Agwu is qualified to be called a super spy and master evader of enemy forces when he is out-numbered 500:1

Sure no South African army officer is intelligent enough to acheive that feat, he would have been captured alive.

SANDF is afraid of Sudanese men inside Toyota and pissing in your pants when the skinny Sudan men were not even pursuing you, yet your battalion was planning to surrender without a fight......at least Nigerian troops fight before the retreat if need be, yes even American troops retreated in North Korean war.

Nigeria has won all her wars from Biafra to Boko Haram, show me one war South Africa ever won as a nation ! [/s]

Cowards for life SANDF
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Here are the facts:

1. Over 400 of your men ran away into Cameroon
2. Your men have been known to wear civilian clothing or womens clothing in order to run away
3. Your top Army Cheif said that "desertion is a fact of war" - that is how your army views cowardice, they view it as a daily occurrence!!

Furthermore:

- SANDF did not "piss their pants" when Sudanese threatened them. Because they were never threatened - also the "soldier" who told reporters about it has a story that is full of inaccuracies
- They were not planning on surrendering without a fight - why do you issue ammunition if you are planning on surrendering?
- Nigerian troops RUN AWAY in the face of poorly armed Seleka soldiers, and this happens INSIDE YOUR OWN COUNTRY

Dude, you can try to make up insults for us, but the fact is that your cowardice is well documented! Just ask the over ONE MILLION displaced Nigerians about your armies tendancy to RUN AWAY

agaugust:
Every military loses weapons in war, yes Taliban insurgents capture American armoured vehicles and drive them around in Afghanistan.

A good army will go fight to get their vehicle back or destroy it. Yes Nigerian army destroyed or captured back all our vehicles from Boko Haram in hand to hand fighting, we went back to battlefields to get back our Cobra APC, MOWAG APC, Oto Melara artillery, etc and we destroyed all the others.

South African military should try and achieve 1% of what Nigerian military has done, your Gripen jets traveled 3,000 km to and fro Congo DRC to threaten Seleka rebels, that was the time to have destroyed those SANDF vehicles that Seleka captured from your fleeing elite paratroops and special forces.....your Gripen jets wasted fuel to and fro 3,000 km and caame back home empty handed to pretoria without firing even one bullet or dropping one guided bomb, yet you keep posting photos of guided bombs here and your SAAF is dead useless in real life
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1. Please post pictures of Taliban driving around Afghanistan in american vehicales
2. The fact that you allowed them to capture that equipment in the first place shows how weak you are
3. The regional body responsible said that they would not support us if we went to war, so we didnt. You want us to waste lives and money to blow up some cheap ATV's? for what? pride? Are you a child?

Facts are facts, Boko captured T52 tanks, artillery, MRAP's, IFV's and over 42 of your military bases

Seleka captured 1 or 2 ATV"s... and we arent even sure if they were ours in the firstplace!!

Pathetic Nigerian military

agaugust:
Nope, you posted NOTHING personal to you, no name, no I.D, no personal data, no employer, no address, nothing.

You posted random internet copy/paste bottle of juice and currency that anybody can Google find for free on internet.

I Augustine, I posted my house sitting room, my Tv live programming, my clothes, my pistol, my hands and fingers to show I am a black man..... I have done more than anybody on this forum, I posted things inside my living room !

You are a fraud, post us the I.D. of where you work in your fake Korea! Fraudster !

1. I posted my Visa and ARC card
2. I posted various items you could only own and buy in Korea

Why are you asking for personal data? You want to scam me?

You have posted nothing that proves you are in america... anyone can get satelight TV anywhere in the world!

And you posted a toy gun not a pistol! I asked you to show me the bore of your gun and you ran away!

Now simply tell us who you work for, or post a local newspaper.

Why do you refuse to do so?

agaugust:
Your over-rated South Africa does not even have any weapon comparable to Nigeria's Roland air defence missiles.

South Africa has NOTHING to shoot down Angolan Su-30....Your SANDF air defence missile has only maximum ceiling of 1 km and Su-30 flies at 17 km above your heads mocking and laughing at Jacob Zuma who will be pissing inside his trousers and begging Dos Santos for mercy.

Angola will start slave trade by selling your people after they defeat your cowardly country, your lazy men will no longer get ANC cash gifts, they will be shipped to Angola to work on Sugarcane farms and plantations
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We have the Uhmkonto which is soon going to be in service - with a ceiling of up to 15km

And again, if Angola is our master... despite our Gripen

What does it make you? With your obsolete F7's!!

You insult SAAF, but you forget that your airforce is worse

agaugust:
Nigeria did not go one on one with Boko Haram? How come we destroyed all their armoured vehicles and main battle tanks, demolished their anti-aircraft guns, captured all their artillery, killed Shekau I & II, fought and drive them out of 45 towns in 45 days, bulldozed and now occupy their Boko headquarters in Sambisa forest and we video recorded Bokos killed or running away like goats....?

It's SANDF that cannot go one on one with Seleka rebels and recover all your captured vehicles and army base, even your air force flew to Congo and flew back home without having courage to fight for one minute, even if it is just to destroy all the South African army vehicles captured by Seleka rebels being driven around town in Bangui to embarrass your Soweto nation forever.

50 million Southies were born cowards

PHOTO 1: SELEKA REBEL DISPLAYS CAPTURED SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY VEHICLE HELD SINCE 2013 TILL TODAY

PHOTO 2: NIGERIAN ARMY DISPLAYS CAPTURED BOKO HARAM HEADQUARTERS FLAG, ETC
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What is this nonsense you are talking?

Is 20 000 Nigerian troops suffering humiliation after humiliation INSIDE of Nigeria the same as South Africans conducting a successfull defence 1000's of kilometers outside of Nigeria the same?

You want me to start posting all the vehicals Boko Haram captured from you?

Nigerian cowardice is well recorded.... over 400 men in dresses running into chad will never be forgotten!!

agaugust:
That is local pidgin English from Nigeria...."claim with mouth".

You Patrick can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then post for us, your vehicle drivers licence card showing your full data and photo as proof
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why must i meet these ridiculous criteria?

I have posted my credentials to substaniate my claims

Now post yours

agaugust:
It's all because you like to have the last say, and I won't let you.

SAAF has 6 Gripen pilots.

CASE CLOSED
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14 Operational Gripen = 14 Pilots

SANDF financial statements = 60 hours per pilot

These are facts, I am sorry that they do not comply to your opinion.

agaugust:
Credit rating is subjective, ranking by human beings, like FIFA world football rankings.

Your credit rating does not pay off your debt, it means you are free to sink deeper into more debt by taking more loans that your great great great grand children will work like slaves to repay the European creditors....fool....you think credit is an asset? Nope, it's a liability you fool !

Southie mumu boasting about loan....borrowed money....he thinks South Africa owns the cash...he thinks it's a Christmas gift
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Lol

Here he goes again, thinking anyone cares about his opinion

Fact is, the people who's opinions matter, say that South Africa (with more debt than Nigeria) is better to loan money to than Nigeria!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

agaugust:
Any fraudster can claim with mouth on internet that he is an SAAF staff, with ZERO proof !

You can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then post for us, your SAAF service man identity card showing your full data and photo as proof
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Any fraudster can claim with mouth [wtf english is this??] that he is a Military researcher, with ZERO proof!

You can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then post for us, your state drivers licence card showing your full data and photo as proof

agaugust:
You can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then tell us the name of your employer whom you work for, and post copy of your letter of employment as proof
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Why are you making ridiculous demands?

I have posted my Korean Visa as well as my ARC card - both of which you demanded.

Why cant you post a local newspaper? Or the name of the company you work for?

Henry120:
Everything is, including an F-16!

12,800 tonnes LAV-25's are also Air transportable. Those things u mentioned above can all be carried out by MRAPs( Oskosh M-ATV, Sandcat) and LAVs.

These vehicles are just Jeeps that are un-necessarily expensive.

For airborne operations or air-assault operations or SF operations there is no way that an MRAP is suitable

Just talking about paratroopers and logistics alone, MRAPS are in no way suitable.

Those vehicals provide mobility (which an MRAP does not have in comparison), versatility and enough protection as well as a significantly reduced battlefield signature (sight and sound)

You are thinking about normal infantry operations where supply and logistics are sorted... with SF or Airborne, unless you can drop it out a plane or sling it under a blackhawk/Oryx its useless

Yes you can paradrop and MRAP (actually, I dont think anyone has done that)... so theoretically you can do so, but one mRAP will take up a whole C130... you can drop a number of such light platforms from one C130. And easily extract them under a medium lift helo when the operation is over.

Even if you are doing a TALO operation... MRAP's arent suitable

agaugust:
Nope, $144 billion debt - $40 billion cash reserve = $104 billion debt unpaid forever !

South Africa CANNOT afford it's debt, it's killing the economy like slow poison, your great great great grand children will inherit your debt !
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The fact that we have a better credit rating than you says that we can afford it

It says that lending us money is still a sound investment

Unlike Nigeria

agaugust:
You can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then tell us the name of your employer whom you work for, and post copy of your letter of employment as proof.

After that, I will respond, but for now, I have posted some photos and that is all I will do until you start the I.D. show.


You are one of the 20 South Africans that Augustine kicked around like a football on defenceweb recently, 20 VS 1 and you Southies still lost.

Yes I work in defence industry, as a military researcher in America. If any body thinks otherwise, feel free to challenge my comments on air, land, and sea warfare....even if you are a brigadier general, air marshal, vice admiral....I am ready for anybody'd challenge .


- Augustine
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No, you got humiliated

Then you started pulling your usual stunts and serious forums members started ignoring you

You say you are a military researcher... who do you work for? Just name the company

You think a picture of a finger infront of a tv proves something?

Show us a picture of today's newspaper in your city, your green card (obscure sensitive details) or better yet - show us a picture of the bore of your "gun"

agaugust:
Those are some of the shows that make up your 200 hours flight for Gripen fleet....you see half the time is for ceremonies.

Unarmed Gripen, flying over the head of clapping civilians, no combat opponent, no combat training....dropping flares for people to cheer.

SAAF = Ceremonial force.

6 Gripen pilots fly 10 to 20 hours per year....ZERO combat qualification

Thanks for proving my point with that ceremony video.

14 pilots

60 hours each

I dont know why this is still under discussion

Henry120:
A single Dshk Round into that vehicle......... And it's "bye bye black bird"!

Those vehicles(Special forces Vehicles) do not provide any real advantage to the Soldier, especially the average soldier from a developing country. I do not have an idea how much the South-African vehicle costs, but the Panhard SPV, Supacat Jackal SPV, Dutch AATV costs up-wards of €800,000 a unit.

€800,000 for a vehicle that seats only 3-4 men, has virtually no protection, and is armed with only a 50 Cal. Man gun and a secondary GPMG is a waste of money. The sort of comms equipment they carry isn't enough reason to cost that high, neither is there AAT capability.

The only reason i like these vehicles (SPVs) is because of aesthetics, they make the SOF/SF look cool, asides this no actual practical use for them.

First world armies usually have dedicated attack and utility helicopters attached to their SF units, hence firepower isn't much of an issue.

Its easily air-transportable mobility that they bring

As well as mobile weapons platforms

You can sling a Hornet with 120mm MRLS under a Oryx... you cant do that with a Bataleur

Plus, ours stop 7.62 on the frontal arc and provide a degree of mine protection.

They also bring organic transport to airborn units (see Chinese Pic related)

DieVluit:
You know ZERO about ratings. There are three rating agencies. You are below junk and are negative. South Africa is above junk and is stable. We are better rated than you on all the agencies. We are not the same. You are effectively worthless ito your rating. I already told you that. You are junk. You cannot raise healthy debt and you have no money of your own to spend. You have a dilapidated country that you cannot build. South Africa is better developed and has less of an infrastructural deficit. It can raise healthier debt and has more revenues and therefore, more of its own money to spend. You have 180 million mouths to feed too, which lowers your GDP per capita. Sucks being you.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/rating

huh, well seems I was mistaken

Last time I looked was back at university