agaugust: now show me one battle where your DENEL guided bomb has proved itself against targets protected by enemy air defense....show me one battle evidence.... .
Ask the Angolans with their 9K33 Osa SAM's what happened to their bridges
The Egyptian ambassador to Nigeria, Ashraf Salama, has said that his country and Nigeria must work together against extremism and terrorism ravaging the continent.
agaugust: [s]British RAF and USAF all had guided bombs and long range guided air to ground missiles in Gulf war, yet Roland still shöt down sophisticated American A-10 Thunderbolt and British Tornado jets, and that was a fixed Roland that is not even mobile.
Every modern jet or weapon that challenged Roland got it's pilot kïlled ! World record.
Fly any SAAF jet you want, NAF has F-7 jets and ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft in Gabbiano radar mode of AWACS with 407 km radar and we will shööt down your jet and your Lightening pods in air to air combat.
NAF AWACS can track 200 airborne targets at the same time for our F-7 jets to demölish and any bomb Umbani Al Tariq or Al Mandela will be eaten raw by Roland missiles as proved by war history of Roland SAM....now show me one battle where your DENEL guided bomb has proved itself against targets protected by enemy air defense....show me one battle evidence....[/s] .
agaugust: British RAF world's best ranked jet pilots could not do that stunt VS a Roland in Falklands war, so is it your unqualified SAAF pilot that will do it?
How many airstrikes were there in the Falkland War?
agaugust: 120 km is all you have. Forget the imaginary speculations of 300 km.
You can try use guided bombs if your target belongs to an enemy with no air force, no air defence, no radars. By the way, how do you see enemy target 120 km away and know it's exact location if we assume it does not move at all, are you a w.izard ? .
So is that why South Korea wants to buy them? North Korea has no Airforce?
Targeting is done with GPS–INS, last I checked, its hard to move bridges/runways/radardomes/hangars/ammo-dumps/powerstations etc
For hitting moving targets, you can use imaging infrared or a semi-active laser seeker
agaugust: The speed of the jet was not stated in the video, but we see it so slow it could trail a slow bomb and video it.
So how can you say the bomb is slow if you dont know the speed it is falling at? You yourself say the speed is not stated in the video... how do you know that the Hawk is not moving at 1000 kph?
If the Hawk and the Al-Tariq both move at the same speed then you have no idea which is faster unless it is stated
agaugust: [s]That Hawk jet looks like near stall speed 200 km/hr, the video clearly shows the jet flying at very slow speed to launch, guide, and video the bomb, the clear and stable photo shows you the jet slowed down to allow the bomb move 'ahead' but hey, the bomb was going downwards and the jet was going forward, the pod or FLIR under belly of the Hawk was filming a bomb falling downwards from 40,000 feet to 0 feet, it was losing height as it glided forward.....the jet was flown damn slow for good video filming.....you need to post ths bombs official speed from manufacturer to prove it can step up it's game to match a 1,000 km/hr speed if the Hawk jet rev's up it's engine !
It's been a bad day for Patches, most of his posts got banned for posting jargonz[/s]
Augustus
This is beyond idiocy
You have no idea how fast it is moving because you have no point of reference
And I am not the one who said it is as fast as a hawk
ddami: redirect that question to those who rated us 4th Happiest in Africa..... you don't know how amazing it feels to be a Nigerian irrespective of anything..... period..
Again, a pig is happy in sh1t... does that mean we will be happy in sh1t?
O... and guess who owns the MAJORITY share in LNG... yes the Nigerian government.
Money was allready in your coffers... tell me, do you issually just ignore a billion dollars in your accounts? Do you not budget for income when a revenue stream you CONTROL is about to release revenue into your accounts?
What i know is:
1. Your President said you are broke 2. You are $1,5 BILLION in the hole
This video finally proves my point, Guided Bombs have slow speed, we can all see it now clearly from South Africa's video evidence !
For a whole year, Patches and his gang of pirates have been arguing with me about Roland missile s.hooting down SAAF guided bomb Umbani.
The Southie fools and scientific dundees said the bomb has same speed as a Maverick missile, lots of lies about speed in vacuum or no vacuum, now we see the slow speed Umbani bomb/Al Tariq flying the way I said it will, slow, and going up and down to correct it's flight path like a yo-yo toy .....and it was struggling to focus track on a stationary target, yet they say it will hit a 60 km/hr moving vehicle that has AAA defences.
LOL, even a Shilka radar cannot will sh.oot down all SAAF guided snail speed bombs
Now compare Maverick missile speed and Al-Tariq/Umbani guided bomb speed....difference is clear o !
agaugust: [s]You know nothing about how dividends work, you said it's budgeted income, and I proved that nobody can budget on dividends because it may never be paid in cash, it can be bonus shares issue....you are not educated enough to know that.
As to your other point, USA and Canadian federal government give loans to states, it's global Public finance practice, so Nigeria can do it....or you can say USA and Canada are bankrupt because they loan cash to states....Domingo Durango[/s] .
Thats not what I said
A dividend was issued
That money was used to bail you out
It could have been used for other things - those other things do not get money now.
Has the Presidents of Canada or the US said that they are broke?
agaugust: [s]Poor knowledge of accounting and public finance is a disease in South Africa.
As a rule in finance, you don't budget for dividend on shares, because you never know how much it is, company needs to trade and make profit, or else dividend becomes zero, and if making profit, directors meet and decide to declare or not declare dividend, it can come as cash payout or just paper rights issue or bonus hare issue instead of cash.
So, Nigeria cannot budget on dividend income because it is an uncertain income, it can be zero ! Your dividend is never known until company has traded and profited and directors decide to pay you or not to pay for a whole year !
You know nothing about economics or finance/accounting, that's why half literate newspaper journalists dribble you around with stories of bankruptcy and as old as you are, you gladly swallow the mud that younger boys feed you with[/s] .
I know enough to know that you are talking trash
Simple question... where did the money come from?
It existed... and it was going to go somewhere... and now it does not exist and it is not going where it was going to go.
It could stay in the Natural Gas set-up, it could have been earmarked for a project etc etc etc... but now it is gone, and it does not change the fact that your states are broke
You are broke, your president himself said so
You also left out:
Besides, the Central Bank of Nigeria is to set up a special intervention fund that will offer between N250bn and N300bn as a soft loan to the states to enable them pay the backlog of salaries.
The President also approved a debt relief programme proposed by the Debt Management Office, which would help the states to restructure their commercial loans with banks currently put at over N660bn to extend the life span of such loans and reduce the states’ debt servicing expenditures.
Your states are going to go $1,58 billion deeper into debt to pay for the $3 billion in debt they have.
So well done, you have managed to only HALVE your debt
You are still roughly $1,5 BILLION in the hole and with no way of paying that = BANKRUPT
agaugust: The fact that you have been claiming Roland AMX carries only 2 missiles instead of the standard 10 missiles until I educated you like a kid, shows you know NOTHING and it wrecks all your arguments 100% wrecked
#FvckingWrecked By Augustine
I simply dropped that point for an even better one
How many targets can a Roland track simultaneously?
How many targets can a Roland target simultaneously?
And finally, what is the minimum RCS that a Roland can detect?
Its all irrelevant though, as your 35 year old missiles have expired
agaugust: [s]F-7 fights off Gripen with ease, the Hawks be trapped in a contested air space with missiles flying all over !
@Saengine said the Al Tariq was launched at 40 km and thats all the evidence available.
South African data cannot be trusted, your country tells lies at random.
Roland remains in service with Nigeria and many countries that bought at the same time, we still display them on parade, and we have posted photos of soldiers recently carrying Roland missiles into the vehicle in their regiment. No country with common sense will deploy expired missiles into an air defence regiment. You need to show us a proof of anybody's missiles being expired, or are you their maintenance officer?
All mobile Rolands carry 10 missiles standard, no source ever said it's 2 missiles total, they all say 2 missiles ready and 8 in reserve magazines, the AMX-30 is a tank chassis of an MBT that carries 47 shells inside the vehicle.
Foolish half witted Patches, he thinks the space for 47 tank shells cannot contain 8 small missiles....old man fool
"The Roland missile is a two-stage solid propellant unit 2.4 meters long with a weight of 66.5 kg including the 6.5 kg multiple hollow-charge fragmentation warhead which contains 3.5 kg of explosive detonated by impact or proximity fuses. The 65 projectile charges have a lethal radius of 6 meters. Cruising speed is Mach 1.6. The missile is delivered in a sealed container which is also the launch tube. Each launcher carries two launch tubes with 8 more inside the vehicle or shelter with automatic reloading in 10 seconds."
"Two arm-beams for launching carry each one a missile in its launching tube, and two ammunition stores for munitions each contain one 4 shot mechanism for automatic unloading of the arm-beam. The crew of the vehicle consists of three man."
Fool of Gauteng, 16 Rolands will launch 160 missiles in about 90 seconds rapid fire !
@Patches thought Roland has only 2 missiles.....his 50 million countrymen have never seen anything like a Roland in South Africa, he needs to travel to Lagos to see one in his life time [/s] .
1. No an F7 will not do that - dont be ludicrous 2. South Africa does not tell lies just because the facts hurt your argument. The range Denel says it has is the range it is capable of. 3. Iraq bought their missiles at the same time as you, and when found in 2004 or so (about a decade ago) they were expired 4. How many missiles can the Roland guide in the air?
Roland is obsolete junk with expired missiles, 17 Hawks alone will overwhelm your entire air defence network
agaugust: The claim is range 120 km, why not test it for 120 km?
There are many 50km range guided bombs used all over the world, and many guided bombs are battle tested, so what's the fuss about Al-Tariq?
A Roland SAM will s.hoot down your Al-Tariq bomb with ease. Your Hawk jets need escort or else F-7 jets will eat them for dinner .
How do you know it has not been tested at that range? How do you know the Video does not show a launch at that range?
The Fuss is that Al-Tariq is a class leader
Roland will shoot it down? You have 16 Rolands with two missiles - thats 32 SAM's you can launch, assuming an impossible 100% hit rate it means that your defenses will be overwhelmed by just 17 Hawks - we have 24 (meaning we can launch a total of 48 Al-Tariq with Hawks alone, meaning that 16 Al-Tariq will make it through your defences in each raid)
Dont talk to me about your Roland re-loads as those are not available on the AMX chassis. And fact of the matter is that your missiles are expired (just like the Iraqi ones found in 2004 which were sold at the same time as yours)