₦airaland Forum

agaugust:
SANDF is broke, you have no money to buy any new aircraft
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Says who?

iblawi:
US still has six of those vessels in service. They are still doing great.
It is a normal thing in Nigeria for the military to claim their equipment need maintenance because that's the way they force the government to release enough funds for their operations.
Don't get it twisted.

I keep telling u guys apart from your 4 Frigates and 3 sutbmarines every other thing you have in your navy is as old as ARADU.

4 Frigates
3 submarines

That's allot of "apart from"

We are in the process of replacing the rest of the fleet as we speak, projects to replace the warrior class and river class and hydrographic vessels are underway as we speak, while plans to replace the drakensderg are developing as we speak

Henry120:
Patrick, you are pathetic!


So what is the Navy's fleet?


The Nigerian navy has over 400 vessels in it's fleet. If half of these vessels are operational, it leaves the Navy with over 200 vessel in operation.


Patrick, over 200 vessels operational is still 10x more than your soweto fleet.

Hahaha

So now the Nigerian Navy has 400 vessels?

Prove it!

Your navy can't maintain a pathetic fleet of simple speed boats!

Bwahahahaaha


-The Nigerian Navy (NN) says it is unable to fulfil its constitutional obligation of defending and protecting the country's territorial waters because more than half its fleet is broken down

-Navy officers and other security personnel were involved in the illegal activities.

- most of vessels are down due to negligence on the part of the navy officers who use them.

- Found the equipment and infrastructure in a broken down state which made it impossible for the force to secure the country's territorial waters


What a truly pathetic navy, a rust fleet of broken down vessels! Utterly pathetic!

[size=20pt]Pathetic coast guard!! Can't even keep vessels operational!!! 50% are useless trash!![/size]



[size=18pt]- The Nigerian Navy (NN) says it is unable to fulfil its constitutional obligation of defending and protecting the country's territorial waters because more than half its fleet is broken down.he Nigerian Navy (NN) says it is unable to fulfil its constitutional obligation of defending and protecting the country's territorial waters because more than half its fleet is broken down.


- NN Chief of Naval Staff Vice-Admiral Ibok Ekwe Ibas said most of vessels are down due to negligence on the part of the navy officers who use them.

- He said most of the operations designed to eradicate the oil bunkering syndicates operating in the country's waters were still achieving limited success because some navy officers and other security personnel were involved in the illegal activities.

- In 2012, the Nigerian Senate Committee on navy toured naval bases in the five states of the Niger Delta and found the equipment and infrastructure in a broken down state which made it impossible for the force to secure the country's territorial waters.

- The committee also found that several navy vessels - including NNS Damisa and NNS Victory - and light patrol boats were broken down with minor mechanical problems which could be easily fixed.[/size]


[size=20pt]Hahahaha!!! The chickens have come home to roost!! @Henry120 @Augustus take a slice of that humble pie and enjoy!![/size]

Henry120:
DictatorZoo, DictatorZoo !!!

We all are aware of the R5s stolen from some soldiers from a certain country in the "South of Africa", the fact that these men were robbed by men carrying Knives....... Isn't what is pathetic, what truly is very pathetic is the fact that these soldiers were tied up with their own boot-laces!

Now this is pathetic!

Do you know the facts of the incident?

Do you know that the men weren't armed at the time?

agaugust:
1. You have an imbalanced and incomplete navy, NO aircraft at all and NO stealth IPV, MPV, OPV, no super speed ocean Interceptors.

2. Hawks have no radar, they need a Gripen to fly beside them to 'borrow' radar.

3. Just 6 Gripen pilots today.

4. Obsolescent Rooivalks, only 11 combat helicopters.....Nigeria has about 50 !

5. Many modern things Nigeria has that you dream of in South Africa, missile armed drones and man portable quad-copter night drones, they don't exist in your country.

May I add, Nigerian army has over 500 units of modern amphibious armoured vehicles that can cross a river for combat operations.....South African army is a dry land only army....obsolete and outdated for that reason alone
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1. You have an imbalanced and incomplete navy, NO aircraft at all and NO stealth IPV, MPV, OPV, no super speed ocean Interceptors.


LOL - an argument based on technicalities

-"no aircraft"

What are the 4 super Lynx?

By comparison Nigeria has no operational maritime aircraft

-"no stealth opv etc"

Valour class is stealth, as is the heroine class submarine. Both can perform maritime patrol

By contrast Nigeria has no operational warships and no submarines

-"no super speed Interceptors"

You mean apart from the Lynx, T-CRAFT and Namacurra Class?

2. Hawks have no radar, they need a Gripen to fly beside them to 'borrow' radar

Do your alpha jets have radar? No!

Can your alpha jets borrow radar? NO!!

Can your alpha jets (majority if them) deploy PGMS? NO!

Can your alpha jets engage in air-to-air missile combat? NO!

You clearly didn't think that through.

3. Just 6 Gripen pilots today.

Not even going to bother responding to such blatant trolling.

4. Obsolescent Rooivalks, only 11 combat helicopters.....Nigeria has about 50 !

- You don't have fifty. You know it and I know it
- Obsolete compared to what? Your ancient Hinds?

Combat in Congo proves Rooivalk > Hind

5. Many modern things Nigeria has that you dream of in South Africa, missile armed drones and man portable quad-copter night drones, they don't exist in your country

- You don't have hand held drones
- South Africa also has missile armed drones (ours don't crash).

May I add, Nigerian army has over 500 units of modern amphibious armoured vehicles that can cross a river for combat operations.....South African army is a dry land only army....obsolete and outdated for that reason alone[/b]

- Please list what these 500 units of modern amphibious units are
- Please state how this renders our army obsolete
- Please list one instance where an army with amphibious armored vehicles have crossed a river to play a decisive role in a battle (post WW2)

Lol, August, this is probably one of your more pathetic posts.

Now shall I list the things we have that you do not?

agaugust:
[s]The French and Saudi ships with those old combat suites have been replaced in front line role by ships like FREMM frigate, only Sourh Africa has 30 year old equipment and 40 year old second hand gun on your front line warships.[/s]
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There is no such thing as "frontline" warships - all warship that are operational and are of the right class are "Front line"

Also, 2014 - 2004 =30


[size=15pt]HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Augbugugu the accountant who cant count!![/size]

Henry120:
Your Ships are obsolete.

hahahaha!!

This is your response?

You only finding out now that your magical god of information got so badly wrecked on the stand that he refused to continue his testimony?

Now answer my questions:

Obsolete compared to what?

is the Charles De Gaulle, La Fayette Frigates and F100 Air-Defence Frigates obsolete too?

Henry120:
Why don't you provide this counter evidence?

Because we dont need to, Dr Young's cross examination is available on the Sereti website

He got destroyed so badly that he stalled for 2 weeks and finally refused to continue his testimony

This is the guy your are basing your argument on?

hahahahahaha

Henry120:
How am i insulting your Frigates?

1. you said they were obsolete
2. you said they are crap

Now, tell us:

1. They are obsolete in comparison to what?
2. They are crap in comparison to what?

By what standard are you defining "obsolete" and "crap"? Are you comparing them to something in YOUR navy? Are you comparing them to an AEGIS equipped destroyer?

jln115:
Nope!! Claims from 1 man that have been demolished during the Seriti commission.

Henry120 seems to think that Dr Young knows more than the French, Saudi and South African Navies combined.

He also doesnt seem to have a very good grasp of how Comissions/Trials work

Henry120:
Facts backed by cold evidence.

Your boats are obsolete with a defective combat suite.

Testimony =/= Evidence

How are they obsolete? Compared to what are they obsolete?

Defective combat suite? Are you saying the Charles De Gaulle, La Fayette Frigates and F100 Air-Defence Frigates have defective combat suites?

Henry120:
No technical details available for any of them. However, those of the SA Navy are, and they all show facts that are clear your Frigates are obsolete.

All those vessels have the same combat suite - thus counter evidence: Charles De Gaulle, La Fayette Frigates, F100 Air-Defence Frigates

Obsolete compared to what?

Henry120:
In Nigeria, we have a "saying" in Pidgin English.



Patrick "you dey fall my hand".


Boy, I know it hurts you, but your Frigates are obsolete. I've provided multiple facts, indisputable facts! You've done nothing and provided no proof to dispute the facts.

Fact is your boat is crap!

You have provided ZERO facts. Only biased testemony from a man who got obliaterated on the stand.

Tell me Henry120, are all the Admirals and Technical staff of the South Africa, French and Saudi Navies wrong?

Or is the one man arguing against the whole community wrong?

Our Frigates are obsolete? Obsolete compared to what?
Our Frigates are crap? Crap compared to what?

You come here and insult our frigates like you have something better

agaugust:
Nigerian navy does not rush anything, the plans for 2010 to 2018 had been drafted and submitted years ago, even defecneweb published it
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Nigerian military is renowned for rush purchases

Why else would you buy two 60 year old ships?
Obsolete F-7s that you are allready replacing?
Obsolete T-72's
etc etc etc

Just look at your miss matched hodg podge army and navy inventory

agaugust:
South African navy has rusted warrior class crafts, rusted supply ship, and rusted donated German minesweepers....rust fleet
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Warrior Class was built in the 1980's - newer than Aradu

Drakensberg - newer than Aradu

German Minesweeps were never used by the Navy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You shot yourself in your foot id.iot

Now, go back to bragging about your 60 year old rust-fleet, its hilarious

Reminder: Nigeria commissioned 4 Ships in one day
Reminder: Average age of the 4 ships - 44 years old

agaugust:
FACT: South Africa can only operate one frigates at a time
FACT: South Africa has no modern OPV, MPV, IPV
FACT: South Africa has no modern maritime security ships at all
FACT: South Africa has no stealth OPV
FACT: South Africa has no stealth Catamaran and no high speed ocean interceptor

Come back to us when you have a balanced Navy
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FACT: 2 Combat ready, 3rd in training. Nigeria has ZERO operational Frigates
FACT: Nigeria has no combat ready warships, South Africa has 3 DWAF OPV's
FACT: All naval vessles can be used for maritime security
FACT: South Africa has 4 Stealth Frigates, Nigeria has ZERO
FACT: South Africa has the T-Class and Lynx Helicopters

Nigerian navy has ZERO combat ability

Come back when you replace your coast guard with a navy

agaugust:
You have 4 frigates and 3 subs but can only operate one for combat at a time due to shortage of full manpower to man all on-board stations.

Combat suite of all Valour frigates are both defective and obsolete. PROVED many times before. Recap :

1. 1990s navionics

2. Shortage of anti-ship missiles, only 2 ships can fully arm

3. ZERO torpedoes, your expensive warships have ZERO torpedoes....Germany ripped you off with empty torpedo tubes.

4. 1970s main gun, the 76mm main gun was taken from scrap yard and repainted for Valour frigate, gun is not stealth, it ruins the ship's stealth capability and makes it more visible. Fools, you put a 1970s gun on a 1990s ship....nation of fools
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1. 2 Frigates operational, a 3rd in training a 4th in Refit (proven by operational records).
1a. 1 sub operational, 1 sub used for training, 1 sub in refit (proven by operational records)

And this is us operating at our lowest force readyness, we can have them all fully operational in under a year if need be.

2. Same combat suite as the Charles De Gaulle, 5 La Fayette class Frigates and the 3 Saudi Arabian F3000-class air-defence frigates.

3. 2 ships can sink the whole Nigerian Navy - you said so yourself

4. Who says we have zero torpedoes?

5. 76mm Super Rapid, the radar cross section of the gun is not big enough to "ruin" the ships stealth capability.

By comparison your navy is composed of a Frigate with no qualified crew that has not put to sea in allmost 7 years, a couple 60 year old Cutters that the Americans scrapped and 2 Chinese Corvettes that have been stripped to the bone and have no conventional war-fighting capabilities.

agaugust:
They even have no OPV in reality, their 58m Warrior strike crafts are IPV or at best MPV, Helmod Heitman said 60m is an IPV for SAN.

Nigeria has all those 58m gun boats, we call them MPV....NNS Siri and co
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We have 4 Valour Class Frigates

And no, he said that the Warrior Class should be RE-CONFIGURED for IPV duties, this means that they are currently an OPV.... yet again your reading-comprehension fails you!

agaugust:
1. Nope, not in one day, you commissioned 4 frigates and 3 subs over a period of about 5 years, but Nigeria commissioned 4 ships in one day.

2. You have crew to fully man only one frigate and one submarine, the rest are short of qualified sailors to man all stations on board ship

3. Warrior class missiles have been deleted years ago, it's now a freaking gunboat, NNS Centenary will use it for target practice.

4. Every year is a Project Biro reality for Nigeria, this year 2015 alone, another stealth OPV, MPV, many IPVs, tug boats etc coming
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1. HAHAHAHAHA!! hiding behind semantics! You think the introduction of 3 hunks of rotten iron and a Chinese OPV that has been stripped to the bare bones impress us? We introduced 4 Frigates and 3 subs!! More major vessels than you!

2. 2 Frigates combat ready, one used for training one in re-fit at any one time, 1 sub combat ready, one in training on in re-fit at any one time. Proven by the fact that we had a frigate and sub operationial with the Indians while another Frigate was on patrol in Mozambique. Later the 3rd Frigate qualified a whole new crew during exercises with the Germans and another sub qualified South Africas first indigenously trained Black submarine commander (while the second sub was completeing operations with the Germans). All this was happening during overlapping periods of time!

3. No - there is still one Warrior Class with missiles fitted

4. No, since 2000 South Africa has introduced more first-hand vessels than Nigeria.

agaugust:
Bwhahaha Your Warrior strike craft have NO missiles anymore ! They were removed years ago and dumped !

Now it's only a gunboat, and with the sea waves shaking your fake OPV to dance water makossa, your gunners cannot fire a gun that is tumbling and rolling about on the waves.

Your Frigate is not an OPV, your submarine is not an OPV, why did you not send Mandela's submarine to answer distress call from Angola?

SAN is OPV dead.....Angola hates your uselessness
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Warrior Class cant use its gun? Stop expressing your ignorance

The 76mm is stabilized and automated - it can still be used

Distress calls from Angola? Stop being childish!

There were no distress calls, and what do you want us to do? Sail from Simons Town into YOUR waters to catch pirates? Are you asking for SAN to come and secure your waters as well?

We have an actual Navy - with warships

It is your navy that is dead, replaced by a Coast Guard composed of rusty 60 year old vessels!

agaugust:
Is a tender paper a ship?

It becomes one

Women and men being put through their paces in the SANDF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYW-E528_E

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JUST FOUND THIS

EXPLANATION NEEDED

http://www.tvcnews.tv/?q=article/boko-haram-latest-video

PLEASE CAN SOMEBODY CONFIRM IF THEY ARE F7's!!

INSURGENTS STANDING AROUND AND FILMING (by my count) 5-7 BURNING NAF FIGHTERS
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Henry120:
Apparently Andrewza, the South-African Navy officer confirms this.

Should he also go read Einsteins definition of insanity?

O really?

andrewza:
But I will say project Biro was not started 1991 just the navy decided to look in to replacing the strike craft[/b].

[size=13pt]Awwwww-sheeeitt

The Irony when (on the very day he calls others liars) Hununubugu120 is exposed for telling lies!! AHAHAHAHA

You just got wrecked, son [/size]

Henry120:
1. No, Vessel Hulls undergo a series of renewal during the service life of each vessel. Each ship transferred to the Nigerian Navy so active frontline actions up until only a few weeks before they were transferred to the Nigerian Navy.

Each boat transferred also saw a significant investment of $8 million in systems up-grade and re-birth. Each Vessel transferred to the Nigerian Navy, given the number of up-grades can well be classified as new.

2. Go read up on Regional maritime awareness capability (R-MACK) system onbaord the vessels.

3. NNS cenetnary is an enlarged derivative of the Type-056 corvette, it is a light Frigate.

4. Patches689, you made those claims over and over again. They are all archived in this thread. You said your Navy was going to get 3 Frigates, 3 OPVs and 3 IPVs. It is on record.

You set an all new record for denying your own comments!

1. All vessels were over 60 years old and at the end of their hull-life. That is why the USCG decommissioned them and gave them to you for free

2. No, fvck that, show me stats, details, information... what is this R-MACK you speak of?

3. Yes, and the enlarged derivative still falls short of 2000t making it a Corvette. Unless it is approaching 3000t then it is no where near a "light" frigate

4. Then quote where I said it. You wish to call me a liar? Then show us where I lied!

Henry120, yet again, you astound me with your disgusting antics and tactics. Even Augbug would not sink so low as to do such.

Shameful/10

Henry120:
AndrewZA, the South-African Navy officer confirms this. Mzilakazi, the clown who claims to be a South-African Army Soldier also confirms this.

Is that what AndrewZA said?

You liar, you filthy filthy liar.

This is what you need to do to find something to fault the SAN on? Make things up?

Fact is, from 2000-2020 SAN would have aquired 4 Frigates, 3 Subs, 3 OPV's, 3 IPV's and a Hydrographic vessel - all state of the art, all first hand.

In that same period of time... the only brand new thing you have gotten is a couple (2) OPV's

Pathetic Coast Gaurd

Henry120:
Your Project Biro is from 1991. It was conceptualised to replace your Strike craft, and expanded to include OPVs. Now, both the OPVs and IPVs are vessels you don't even have in service, that's 24 years and counting.


You wait 24 years to procure 3 IPVs and 3 OPVs, yet you still don't have any of them in service, the wait continues!


Every year is a Project Biro for the Nigerian Navy.

Again, who said that Project Biro started in 1991?

You keep saying it

Yet you refuse to substantiate it.

Henry120:
Stop masturbating, Provide Sound Technical Evidence, counter-proof of what are the facts.

Mr Day provide empirical evidence. Since you are unable to match my sources, you retort to naming French and Saudi Navies. Thing is, based on available evidence, the Frigates South-Africa got are no more than basic gunboats.

Consensus is not based on facts that are available for your Frigates. The facts that are available prove beyond all doubts that South-African Navy Frigates are obsolete!


There is no current requirement for the Aradu, and by far, Aradu is a more powerful boat than the Valour Frigate which the South-African Navy operates. Infact in some Navies, the Aradu is described as a Destroyer.

1. Allegations by Mr Day, not facts, allegations. His bias is readily apparent since his company lost out on the bid and subsequently had to shut down.

2. The fact that the French, Saudi and South African Navies all chose the combat suite for their vessels (11 Frigates and a Nuclear Aircraft Carrier) suggests that his accusations are baseless. And shows that international Naval consensus is that the Combat Suite is, at the very least, adequate.

3. Is the Valour Class is obsolete... how is the Aradu not beyond obsolete

Aradu is an ancient POS, no crew to man her, no training, ancient missiles, ancient systems.... utter trash.

Some Navies consider the Aradu a destroyer? Are you fvcking kidding me? Aradu is smaller than the Valour Class, so if its a destroyer... then so are the Valour Class

Ok, henry, we have reached the point where you simply repeat yourself over and over and over

So let me turn this argument on its head... tell me this... Valour Class combat suit is obsolete? Obsolete compared to what?

Henry120:
Which are the 3 IPVs been replaced. So in actual fact, your Biro did begin in 1991.

In 1991 Warrior Class was a strike craft, the last one was built in the late 1980's

Now, think, what are the implications of this?

Henry120:
The age of the Hull of the vessels are Irrelevant you clown!

The systems on board are what matters and it's operational capability. Nigerian Navy Frigate sized ships Thunder and Okpobana are the only ships in Africa which come with state of the art R-MACK systems and are the only Vessels with the capacity to circumnavigate Africa.

These are facts you can take to the bank!


NNS Centenary and UNITY are Light Frigates, they are bigger and have larger displacement than the Type-056 corvettes.

Yes, you are on record of making a series of wild allegations and claims. It is also on record, you claimed you were receiving 3 additional Frigates, 3 OPVs and 3 IPVs.

1. No Hull life is extremely relevant - that is why the USN decommissioned them and gave them away for free

2. What are the R-MACK systems? Capabilities? Stats? Tell us!
2a. Valour Class with the Drakensburg can do the same

3. Nope, at 95m and 1800t it comes in as a small Corvette
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/NNS-CENTENARY-IMO-0-MMSI-657735000

4. Henry120, this is the second time you have made accusations against me, and this is the second time you have refused to provide any proof to substantiate your claims. Now, you say it is on record - please quote where I said it. I find it disgusting that you would resort to such tactics - congradulations on reaching a new low.

Nigerians brag about their rust fleet

South Africans dont feel the need to brag, we are secure in the knowledge that we have an actual Navy