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Henry120:
I don't think this is the case. The Gripen E/F cockpit seems to have a whole lot of things going on in there.

I think the SU-35 and F-35 cockpits are way more user friendly than the Gripen E/F. Even with the F-35, pilots are already complaining that the Helmet is too large.

agaugust:
[s]Interesting talk you and him are having about cockpits.

Saudi Arabian pilots who 4th Gen F-15 and Tornado, are struggling with Euro Typhoon complicated avionics. Thus, the Saudi authorities decided to evaluate JF-17 Thunder which is easier to fly as a 4th Gen avionics platform[/s]
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Henry120:
Eventually pilots might get used to them, but for how long, how about response, reaction and a pilot under duress?

SAAB Gripen NG,

F-35,

SU-35, all cockpits in that sequence, which do you prefer, which is more user friendly?

agaugust:
Any Zimbabwean MRAP, whatever name it's called, well known or not, popular or not, famous or not....Rhodesian MRAP predates ALL South African made copy-cat MRAP.

Finito

agaugust:
ZIMBABWE -Rhodesia.

Unbiased and neutral Canadian/American military research institute has declared that ALL South African early or earliest MRAPs were copied directly from Zimbabwean MRAP inventions.

No argument needed, historical research has proved the origin of first MRAP vehicles on planet earth :

"There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)."

Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm
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agaugust:
Of course as a glory thief you will steal, produce, and resell back to the original inventor.

Nobody carees about dates 1972 or 1974, expert Canadian-American military research institute says Zimbabwe invented MRAP and South Africa noticed, imported, copied, manufactured, and re-exported Zimbabwean MRAP.

"There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)."

Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

Simple as ABC.

ZIM owns SA !

agaugust:
My fellow researcher of defence history says you are a fraud ! http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

America/Canada confirms ZIMBABWE invented the first series of MRAP, got noticed by South Africa who copied, manufactured, exported.

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

Glory thief thou art, even on Sunday morning you steal
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agaugust:
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Finally, CASE CLOSED.....Zimbabwe invented the first MRAP vehicles, South Africa noticed and copied to manufacture/export

It's not good to steal your neighbour's talent and glory, it's like using w.itchcraft to capture people's star !
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agaugust:
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[s][size=13pt] Canada & American Research institute confirms


MRAP invented in Zimbabwe Rhodesia !

South Africa was manufacturing Zimbabwean inventions.

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" Rhodesian Leopard mine-resistant vehicle are made in South Africa . The APVs are part of a complex lineage of blast-resistant vehicles developed on that troubled continent.

That line began in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) with a series of highly bizarre, mine-resist- ant types set on commercial chassis (eg: VW-based Leopard, above, and Pookie).

Those early vehicles were mostly built as mine-detector vehicles but they showed the way with high ground-clearance and monocoque crew compartments with a V- shaped bottom. The next step was incorporating that structure into other vehicles.

As conversions of existing types, Rhodesian mine-blast-resistant vehicles were quick to construct and made use of readily-available components. This did not go unnoticed in neighbouring South Africa facing its own anti-apartheid 'bush war'.

The threats were the same: landmine blasts from below and AK-47 rifle bullets.

'Body-on-Frame' Construction – the South Africans Follow a Rhodesian Lead

The first South African blast-resistant vehicles were a series of Kwêvoël trucks (Samil-built Deutz 4x4s and 6x6s with armoured cabs) followed by a fully armoured personnel carrier derivative – Hippo. Buffel, a more sophisticated armoured carrier type followed. All consisted of V-bottom armour compartments over truck frames."

'Body-on-Frame' Construction – the South Africans Follow a Rhodesian Lead.

There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)

Finally, CASE CLOSED.....Zimbabwe invented the first MRAP vehicles, South Africa noticed and copied to manufacture/export

It's not good to steal your neighbour's talent and glory, it's like using w.itchcraft to capture people's star ![/s]
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agaugust:
[s]MRAP Hyena invented by Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, sent to South African factory for manufacturing and re-export, because Zimbabwe has no such manufacturing facility to build both Hyena MRV and Leopard MRAP by themselves, these designs and prototypes were shipped to South African companies for manufacturing on a large scale.

I have repeatedly posted sources that says Zimbabwe invented MRAP and sent same to South Africa for reverse-engineering.

Your SA is stealing the ZIM's glory because their lack of manufacturing capacity made you take advantage of their inventions.

PhD Fraud Engineering is a South African qualification[/s]
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Henry120:
Cameroun

andrewza:
Technically it would be the telefoonhokkie followed by the Kameel. You could count the number of them on your hand though.

[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/wZgfxi2K6liUrbusPGEZlKPszNh_-MKo9meEpyc4b_ru4_vq5rcn15ZtTTc2mLtxZ7EyMX8Hr5YVMxCtltr0WK6wqeJas7MBWQhDpyag=w466-h316-nc[/img]

agaugust:
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[s]It's not the fault of Nigerians that this thread has over shot 2,000 pages. It's these Olumo Rock headed South Africans causing the elongation.

Simple arguments become so hard for them to understand. I think they all have issues.

@Andrewza is a white man who finds himself glued to South Africa where Zulus marry 4 wives, but his Boer white culture forces him to stick to just one life partner. His lustful greedy eyes see all those big azz navy girls and he gets angry for seeing what he cannot taste. Victim of monogamy, suffering hunger in the land of plenty.

@FighterPilot, claims to have BSc Military Science, but read his comments, seems he studied Agric Science. Don't defeat him in an argument o, he will make you regret it, he goes psycho and starts typing with CAPS + Bold + Size 20 Large Font.

@jln115 is a special case, when you argue with him about Chemistry, he will be answering you from a Geography text book. He needs urgent brain surgery.....or transplant.

@DictatorZAR.....should have been named DictatorZOO.....he bursts into people's argument like a buffalo escaped form a zoo and seeing freedom for the first time. I suspect he uses a borrowed laptop. Guy tends to be frustrated by some financial issues.

@THIZA is the coolest among them, but he thinks photographs can win a war. I suspect he is secretly a porn photographer in disguise.

@Saengine, needs help and deliverance from gay spirit. He is the only man I know that has a spirit husband instead of spirit wife. His deliverance will take 3 churches 3 years to complete.

@Mzilakazi, he is as confused as the spelling of his name/moniker. He argues like a 12 year old. I am sure he believes 1 + 1 = 11.

@Devluit, kid, childish troll. Who knows whether he is female or she is male, or hermaphrodite.

@Snydergyp, herbalist by profession, unrepentant polygamist, lives on government cash support, herbalist income cannot pay his bills, frustration galore, his internet bills keep mounting, runs out of browsing megabytes, disappears, then re-appears to cut off the head and tail of discussions he knew nothing about.

@Msauza is trapped between two worlds, wants a clean Nigerian wife from Enugu as his security from HIV epidemic in his South Africa where STD is more common than mobile phones.

@CraigB, likely kidnapped by some angry Zulu/Xhosa vendetta black men who kept the white boy off his trolling campaign on Nairaland. Likely kidnapped for ransom, we have not seen him this year. May his family raise the money and set him free o ! Problem is, he is not worth the amount of cash those kidnappers are asking for, so his family would rather let his captors keep feeding him.

@MikeZAR, a clone of Papa Ajasco, this guy will sell like hot cake if he takes to comedy. His most serious comments are also his most foolish.

@Patches, this one na thief big time. Scam, liar, 419, talented fraudster. Twister of the truth, manufacturer of lies, PhD in Fraud Engineering. One of the first things he asked me to post on this forum is my American credit card, he wants to clean out my account, if no be say I smart, I would have been bankrupted by now.

With these kind of people arguing on a thread, you still wonder why 2,000 pages, and yet a conclusion has eluded us ?[/s]

agaugust:
Zimbabwe-Rhodesian army designed and built the world`s first MRAP and it was further developed by South African manufacturers !

"MRAP design was first introduced in specialized vehicles in the 1970s built by and for the Rhodesian Army, and further developed by South African manufacturers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP

SA copied Zim`s invention. Soldiers built the world`s first MRAP not civilians.

Case Closed Finally
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agaugust:
Zimbabwe Invented Hyena MRAP 1972, world history agrees

http://rhodesians.ru/ru/node/66 .

agaugust:
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Zimbabwe Invented Hyena MRAP 1972

http://rhodesians.ru/ru/node/66
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agaugust:
Uzbekistan or Azerbaijan, whatever the -an we don`t care.

South Africa is next to an insignificant country.

Arms export does not win you a war. Egypt produces more and exports less than South Africa.

In war, production is the king, or you think exporting your own arms during your war increases your arsenal ? No, it actually weakens your military....you fool, cannot even think

agaugust:
All your engines are imported and vehicles/hand rifles are the largest percentage of your so called South African made weapons industry.

Basic armored vehicles won't win you a war, ordinary Boko Haram Toyota mounted 23 mm gun or hand held RPG will tear all SANDF armoured vehicles and MRAPs into pieces.

The jets, tanks, missiles, ships, submarines that will win war for South Africa are all imported from Europe.

agaugust:
Yes you are very very wrong whitey !

Your idea or opinion does NOT matter, you say "IT MUST MEAN...." then that is your assumption, you have no proof !

Zimbabwe invented MRAP 1974, nobody cares about who copied it and put it into service that same 1974.

End of discussion !

Henry120:
We are talking about the first APC with a V-shaped hull, dummy domingo! The leopard APC is the first vehicle with a V-shaped hull.

Henry120:
Congrats you are above Azerbaijan, a country in the middle of nowhere.


By the way, Egypt has the biggest Defence industry in Africa.

agaugust:
Kindly tell Patches to stop attacking my comments, I have sources and photos to back up my comments. If he has contrary opinion, let him do his own separate comments and ignore my own. Simple.

Thanks man.

agaugust:
[s]Source did not say Hyena MRAP was developed by South Africa.

A country can get design from abroad, import the prototype, and build it, then export same.

The general history of MRAP technology clearly says :

"The MRAP design was first introduced in specialized vehicles in the 1970s built by and for the Rhodesian Army, and further developed by South African manufacturers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP

Same way Leopard MRAP was invented and developed in Zimbabwe, then exported to South Africa for reverse engineering to produce South African MRAPs which were then manufactured and exported by South Africa.

History records the Zimbabwean Leopard as the FORE-RUNNER of all other MRAPs produced in Southern Africa and Central Africa, the whole world is led by Zimbabwe`s MRAP design, that is the record of history.

"After the unfortunate death of a close relative in a land-mine incident in 1974, inventor Ernest Konschel began exhaustive research on land-mine damaged vehicles and mine craters, ultimately designing and producing the first in a series of dedicated monocoque construction mine resisting vehicles, the Leopard.

(Monocoque meaning the body forms the chassis or frame of the motor vehicle, as opposed to a purpose made chassis).

This design is a forerunner to many of the mine resistant vehicles developed and used in Southern and Central Africa from that time to the present."

http://www.baragwanath.co.za/leopar

PHOTO : Zimbawean Leopard MRAP invention, imported into South Africa for reverse engineering, displayed by Technical team at South African National Museum of Military History inside South Africa [/s]
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agaugust:
Well, I am not a praise singer actually.

I post things that promote African military.

If I find something unique about South African military that no other African country has, I will post it and give due credit to South Africa, it`s just that I found nothing like that yet.

Hyena MRAP was also invented by Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, in 1972. History confirms :


RDF
COMMUNITY AIRSOFT TEAMS SIMULATING THE SUN RHODESIA

MRAP || Hyena
Published Mon, 10/22/2012 - 1:55user Pastor

Hyena

Developed in 1972, it was made by 1974 .; Judging by the chassis, hood, probably on the Land-Rover chassis.

"Hyena" was the first MRAP in Rhodesia, and was subsequently replaced in the newer subdivisions on armored vehicles.

By the end of the war she was in service only in BSAP.

Patrol 4x4 armored vehicle with a versatile 4-speed gearbox.

max speed - 127 km / h

fuel tank - 80 liters

Cruising range - 560 km

Source : Rhodesian Defence Forces Community Website

The Hyena lacks the V-hull of the Leopard, and most sources credit the Leopard as the first true MRAP.

[size=13pt]World history confirms the Zimbabwean Leopard MRAP to be the forerunner of other MRAPs produced in Southern Africa[/size]

Historical facts should be accepted as without ill-feelings. That is the African spirit of tribute
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agaugust:
African countries should stop importing MRAP.

Egypt, Sudan, Algeria, Nigeria, Morocco, should start building their own domestic MRAP and stop wasting dollars on importation.

Africa invented MRAP and the rest of the world copied us !

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[size=13pt]Zimbabwe-Rhodesia invented the first MRAP in the world [/size]

Leopard Security Vehicle 1974

Thank you Zim, Africa is very proud of you
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Henry120:
RD-93 actually. The funny thing is, the RD-93 has the ability to give 10% more thrust that is actually stated.

Basic level , thrust

Gripen Block 2 : 54.0 KN
Thrust/ weight ratio : 0.97

JF-17 Block 1 : 49.4KN
Thrust/ weight ratio : 0.96


The difference between the 2 engines is so little, when we add the fact that the RD-93 can add 10% more thrust.



You soweto dullards payed 3 times more for a JF-17. LOL!

Henry120:
Buhahahahahaha you paid $68 million for a JF-17.

Looool

Henry120:
You got conned, same way your government got Frigates with an obsolete combat suite.

Congrats, you paid $68 million for a JF-17 thunder.


You South-Africans are first class, grade-A dummies!

Soweto Nation of dullards.

Henry120:
If you actually understood English, you wouldn't really be asking me this question.

-Radar difference is 10km in favour of the Gripen, just slightly better than the JF-17 block 1.

- JF-17 block 1 has a range of 1350 KM, much much better than the Gripen

- speed Mach 1.8 to Mach 2 in favour of the Gripen C/D

- the JF-17 has a better radar down look detection.

- the JF-17 can carry nuclear missiles, the Gripen cannot.

- the JF-17 has 7 harpoints to the 8 on the Gripen

- the JF-17 is way more manoeuvrable than the Gripen

- the Gripen has a slightly better thrust than the JF-17.

- the G limit is 8 to 8.5 in favour of the Gripen.


If these specifications do not represent an Aircraft that is just as good as the Gripen, and provide the bang-for-the-buck, then your mental limitations not mine.


Aircrafts cost

Gripen: $68 million a unit

JF-17 : $25- 30 million a unit.

agaugust:
Fighting spirit of courage plus combat experience, that is how 100 Nigerian troops fought 1,000 Sudanese rebels and we lost only 30 men, never surrendered, they retreated to form a stubborn pocket of resistance at a part around the base perimeter, good tactical thinking, battle field craft.

NO record that the 100 men surrendered, Sudan Tribune newspaper says Nigerian troops fought to bleed and die, remained intact to the end.

SANDF decided to surrender once Sudan fires a shot....genetic Bantu cowards, white cowards, and cowardly coloreds from Cape Colony
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lezz:
patches, the desperate clown. Stop recycling old politically motivated articles here in your frantic attempt to save your face.

No army in AFRICA has recorded as much victory in combating 21st century insurgency like the Nigerian army and this has been confirmed by France and Egypt.

Your pathetic Zulu army have FAILED IN CONVENTIONAL WARFARE in every single attempt.

And as reported by ISIS, thé NA still stands head and shoulders above you.