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agaugust:
I did not say Nigeria, I said Alpha jet as a platform in general
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Henry120:
The company completely ripped off the South-African government.

S.A government paid too much for a substandard system. Anyway, trust patches689 to deny the obvious.



SA Navy frigates combt suites are obsolete!!

agaugust:
Bwahahahaha

This Patches is a complete ZERO brain !

La Fayette is a 20 year old French frigate, it was even built before the Valour frigate, you are comparing your Valour frigate with an older warship that no longer a lead ship of France. Fool

Valour frigate systems are 95% obsolete, 20 year old stuff, plus a 38 year old main gun !

FREMM frigate is the new ship of the French navy, why not compare your junk Valour frigate with a FREMM frigate, are you afraid ?
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Henry120:
It is obsolete and doesn't even meet the requirements of the SAN.

agaugust:
Valour frigates carry 1990s generation combat suite and navionics, plus a 1977 gun that wrecks the stealth capability.

That ship is crap, real crap for $300 million each...fraud....rip off !
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agaugust:
Show us technical specs of combat suites comparing 1999 Valour frigate with 2015 French destroyers. Fool !

Frances uses superior weapons, missiles, guns, torpedoes on French warships
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Henry120:
[b]The said proposed architecture ("CS7 mod 1" made use of the CCII Systems's IMS, but in conjunction with the Tavitac CMS, thus requiring an alteration to the data-transfer protocols linking the CMS to the IMS.
200. These alterations would have involved :
200.1 incorporating a so-called Bridge Interface Unit;
200.2 incorporating a Dual Protocol Stack;
at additional cost to CCII Systems.
201. All the proposed alternative architectures, including "CS7 mod 1", deviated from :
201.1 the formally accepted combat suite baseline which was at that time embodied in the Combat Suite Functional Specification ("the Functional Specification" and Combat Suite System Design Document ("System Design Document"; and
201.2 the URS subsequently issued in December 1998 and revised in March 1999.
202. At the same design review meeting in August 1998, representatives of ADS (among others, Messrs D.N. Hiles, D.C. Law-Brown and K.C. O'Neill) sought to undermine CCII Systems's IMS by asserting that the IMS (and the architecture associated with it) entailed an unacceptable risk.
203. At a meeting of the technical committee held at Mount Edgecombe on 5 November 1998, ADS was directed by SAN and Armscor to generate and issue a technical description of the architecture "CS7 mod 1", explaining the proposed changes in the combat suite design, but this was never done.[/b]

agaugust:
Argentina had no PGMs on their jets after using up their 5 Exocets.

Maverick missile is a guided air to surface missile with ~ 20 km range, Alpha jets use it, yes it will sink a Valour frigate from 9 km altitude
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scha123:
That doesnt make any sense, since Cuba were only involved because SA entered in Angola, Chester Crooker with the linkage made it sound like that, the truth is without SA invasion angolan government would never invite cubans to fight.
At end of the day Angola/Cuba/Namibia were on the right side of the history, apartheid died, namibians got independence, cubans left Angola with honor and MPLA never lost the power

Henry120:
No evidence.

Henry120:
Why don't you start providing actual citations.

Henry120:
Apartheid government

- Angola is "communist".

agaugust:
Big lie.

France does not use Umkhonto. France uses 180 km range Exocet. France does not use 1977 non-stealth guns on a stealth ship.

You think everybody is M0R0N like South Africans? Non-stealth gun on a stealth ship, LOL this is hilarious maaadness
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agaugust:
Last I checked, the G-6 is not a direct fire weapon, it's an area ordnance, the precision effect is a wild game of chance.

Why did you compare Otomat range with Exocet range?

Answer my question.

agaugust:
Why did they buy Russian missile and French missile?

agaugust:
Maverick missiles or unguided munitions exploding overhead
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agaugust:
Algeria wanted Russian and German ships. They buy east and west.

Tiger missile 40 km
Valour missile fvcking 15 km

Deal with it

agaugust:
Is G-6 artillery not all about range when you boast of it?

Range is not important when South Africa is at a disadvantage, right?

You just said today that Nigerian Otomat has short range?

You need to enjoy defeat sometimes, it will make you maintain sanity
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agaugust:
Your list had zero citations, not welcome on this forum
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agaugust:
Yes it is.

You think ships fight according to their names....Olodo
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agaugust:
My claims are from your own citations.

Tiger frigate missiles and gun

http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/kh_35.htm

http://defenseupdates..ca/2013/02/third-project-20380-steregushchy-class.html

http://www.burevestnik.com/products_engl/a190.html

It's an unnecessary argument, The Tiger will sink the Valour from 130 km away and sh.oot down Gripen from 40 km away
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agaugust:
All four Balsam class supply ships of Nigeria are operational, they came into service between 2005 and 2010.

SAS Drakensberg is Obsolete, project hotel is looking to replace it, but no money.

agaugust:
Citations needed for the above list of lies
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agaugust:
Why did Indonesia drop Umkhonto? You ran away from that point? They chose an European missile. Bangladesh could have configured it on a Chinese ship if it was worth it, but no. Umhkonto range/ceiling is bad for the price.

Thanks for proving me right with your sources that Tiger frigate is better than Valour frigate:

Anti-ship missile-

Tiger, 130 km range
Valour 70 km range

Anti-aircraft missile-

Tiger 40 km range
Valour 15 km range

Gun-

Tiger 20 + km range
Valour 16 km range

Algeria is buying Umkhonto 15 km range, but they have Russian missile with 40 km range as their main naval air defence weapon.

No argument needed. Case Closed
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agaugust:
Why go on with no proof? Citations for Tiger Vs Valour.

Sweden saw that the Umkhonto was not worth the price, they won't budget so much millions for a missile with 8km max ceiling.

Indonesia and Bangladesh dumped Umkhonot and bought Chinese/European missiles.

Tiger class frigates are superior to Valour frigates
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agaugust:
Meko frigate is NOT flagship of Algeria, they have superior Russian Tiger frigates.

Algeria just bought it to diversify weapons purchases as usual.

Brazil is just evaluating not buying, they are fooling you for the sake of friendship, they avoided Rooivalk and bought Hind E like Nigeria.

If Umkhonto's not shiiit, why did Sweden reject it?
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agaugust:
Algeria buys almost anything, Chinese missile, Russian missile, French missile, spending spree. Algeria also has superior Russian missiles on their Tiger class frigates, they outrange the Umkhonto by far.

How many world navies bought Denel Umkhonto missile apart from SAN? 2 customers.

3 other navies evaluated it and dumped Umkhonto...8km max ceiling shiiit....ordinary Alpha jets will r.ape Valour frigate to death
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Henry120:
- Apartheid government

- Angola is "communist".

Henry120:
Your ignorant leaders got sub-standard boats.

Henry120:
They could have purchased missiles from any compatible missile supplier.


Accordingly, I invite the commission’s members to inspect Ysterplaat, to see for themselves how many there are in their state of airworthiness.”

He said government acquired four frigates that were reportedly equipped with defective engines and an obsolete combat suite and armoury system.

“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.

Henry120:
There is nothing advanced about you Frigate. The Algerians...... they are the ones who sail a proper advanced valour class.

I've posted in the parts, articles which report that the SAN got Frigates with defective combat suites.

agaugust:
[s]Only a fool thinks a Valour frigate with very short range SAM with 8km ceiling, scrap yard repainted 1977 metal gun that reduced ship stealth, old year 1990s generation Exocets, radars, sensors, and equipment is something to boast about. The only new thing on a Valour frigate is the body/hull and the ship's name

Don't drag this forum back to old posts and comments.

NNS Aradu was re-fit in year 2001 with modern radars, sonar, sensors, all weapon systems cleaned out, guns fired, missile systems all in good order. The radar/sensor/sonar are all new and comparable to those on the Valour frigate has year 1999 weapons/equipment and a 1977 gun brought in from scrap yard and repainted.

That was posted here with sources last year, both harpoon databases and the Spanish website when you said it was a false claim and you edited Wikipedia that time on Roland missile shooting down bombs.

Show us proof that the Aradu missiles have expired and yet not removed to avoid hazard. Show us source of their expiry date. You private opinion is NOT a source.

All NNS Aradu weapons are superior to Valour frigate.

= 127mm gun has 15 km range, Valour gun is only 8 km

= Otomat MK 1 anti-ship does 2 missiles fired together and cooperate to increase range to 80 km, Otomat MK 2 range is 120 km, Valour Exocet is only 70 km

= Aspide BVR anti-aircraft missile is 75 km range, Valour is 12 km

= NNS Aradu torpedoes are Whitehead A244S torpedoes

No wonder fear and panic grips every South African when they hear of NNS Aradu refit and return to sea !

One Aradu will sink the entire South African navy in one day !

Nobody will waste time going back to repeat old posts and sources that have been proved here in 2014 . PROVED : http://archive.is/qUExe

CASE CLOSED ![/s]