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agaugust:
Hawk jet has NO radar you fool
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With LinkZA it does

Fool

agaugust:
[s]Gripen is NOT anything ISTAR, it`s Recce pod NOT an ISTAR pod .....and NO on-board intelligence center-command and control integrated multiple computer systems console existing on a Gripen, all you have is pilot`s cockpit for flying.....Gripen is ZERO ISTAR, the RAF did most of the ISTAR job in Libya with USAF E-2 Hawkeye doing AWACS and NATO jets providing air cover against the half dead Libyan air force that refused to fly, and NATO air to surface missiles doing SEAD on the half dead Libyan defences.

Gripen jet does recce with pod, same way F-7 jet of Bangladesh does recce with pod, and the pod on the Gripen is same as the one for old school Jaguar jets flown by India.

Gripen jet recce.... how many hours endurance? what altitude above enemy air defences? what radar range? how many targets can be tracked at once? which airborne multiple computer console will process thousands of situational data for command-control ?[/s]

Gripen jet = F-7 jet = Jaguar jet = Gripen jet = ZERO ISTAR

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Gripen with Recce pod complies with the definition of ISTAR

The "intelligence center-command and control integrated multiple computer systems console" will be on the ground - with info being streamed to it from the Gripen

agaugust:
[size=16pt]ATR-42 Surveyor of NAF has 407 km radar range ! Fact !
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I refer you to your own post:

agaugust:
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Citation needed....I dare you !
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agaugust:
SIPRI arms database says South Africa bought an ordinary surveillance satellite used by Russian civilian ministry of defence office
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So then the SANDF is civilian because it is run by the Civilian Ministry of Defence?

Dont be an slowpoke

agaugust:
[s]Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !

Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.

ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers ![/s]
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Gripen + Recon pods + Targeting pods = ISTAR that can operate in a contested air-space

agaugust:
[s]How about ATR-42 and Su-30 MK ?

NAF will k.ill the world ![/s]

You cant afford to pay the wages of government employees - how will afford these?

Henry120:
[s]The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.[/s][s][/s]

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

J-10B, single engine multirole same as the F-16
Rafale - strike fighter
Eurofighter and Su-35 -air superiority

3 different classes

agaugust:
FG has announced Nigerian air force will buy 7 more units of ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft
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as well as Su-30's, JF-17's, ATAK helicopters and dont forget Tucano's

#dreams

agaugust:
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[s]Radar range :

Nigerian Air Force ATR-42 = 407 km

British Royal Air Force Sentinel = 333 km

NAF = NATO super world powers ![/s]
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"because i say so"

agaugust:
[s]Nope !

I NEVER said Sentinel is better, it just has higher specs in aircraft performance, that's what I mean by overall higher specs.

ATR-42 and Sentinel are almost equal, each having it's own advantages. Size and engine gives the Sentinel overall specs advantage in areas of aircraft flight performance NOT the ISTAR mission itself.

NAF ATR-42 has far superior radar range over RAF Sentinel.

Mission :

ATR-42 - Multi-mission land and sea upgrade complete
Sentinel - Single-mission land only, plans for upgrade

Endurance :

ATR-42 - 11 hours
Sentinel - 14 hours

Speed :

ATR-42 - 518 km/h
Sentinel - 918 km/h

Ceiling :

ATR-42 - 8 km
Sentinel - 15 km

Radar range :

ATR-42 - 407 km
Sentinel - 333 km

Nigerian Air Force = American Air Force & British Air Force in ISTAR power !

South African Air Force = Mozambican Air Force & Rwandan Air Force [/s]
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You have said that your AT42 has a radar range of 300km

Now it is 400km?

lol, this is too funny

stillchris:
even if the sentinel is better, south africa still doesn't match Nigeria in that category.

if you do... state the platforms... that simple

Gripen

Kondor-E satelight (an actual military reconnaissance satellite)

Thales ground search radars

agaugust:
[s]Each has it's own advantages, ATR-42 is MULTI-MISSION ISTAR for land and sea warfare and that makes it better than the Sentinel until the British complete their upgrade to make the Sentinel do maritime ISTAR like Nigerian ATR-42.[/s]

Sentinel is a more expensive aircraft with overall higher specs, but the ATR-42 does the same job.

[s]Both were tested in Boko Haram war and results were the same in ISTAR data output.

South Africa is 166 years behind Nigeria with your Cucumber shaped Dakota C-47 flying coffin[/s]
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So you confirm that the Sentinel is better.

agaugust:
[s]I posted it yesterday, Britain has decided to copy Nigerian ISTAR power by upgrading the RAF Sentinel to become maritime patrol like NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, the world power British air force wants to become multi-mission ISTAR power like Nigeria.

However, British air force has NOT found anything worth copying from the ancient category South African air force that is 166 years behind NAF[/s]
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Are you saying that the ATR42 is on the same level as the Sentinel?

agaugust:
One single photo evidence of NAF ELINT dome is enough, we don't need twenty.

Case proved. Case closed. Game over
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why cant you provide a more clear image?

agaugust:
You have cataract in your eyes ? Patches now blinded by envy and humi.liation, plus plenty of tears ?

PHOTO 1 : Nigerian air force

PHOTO 2 : British Royal air force

Birds of the same feather flock together in the skies .....NAF & RAF Playing In The Big League
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You only have one photo of this "dome"?

Provide us with a clearer one

agaugust:
NAF Mi-35 Hind E has all those your hardware too, so does that make it an ISTAR platform ?

Does it comply to the definition of ISTAR?

If so it does, if not it does not.

You seem to be of the opinion that ISTAR is some special snowflake unicorn capability that is so hard to get.

In reality its nothing special at all.

agaugust:
The Southies think any aircraft with radar is an ISTAR aircraft, even if it is a transport helicopter

Boeing 747 of KLM airlines has radar, so it is now ISTAR according to South African 33% brain calculations
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Judging by your comments, you dont even know what ISTAR means

agaugust:
Bwahahahaha

Humble pie shoved down your throat again !

Do you see any source that says Nigeria has Automatic Grenade Launchers ? No source, but does Nigeria have it? Yes !

Any proof? PHOTO EVIDENCE !

Smart people know what an AGL looks like, same way smart people know what ELINT dome looks like and it's location.

NAF ATR-42 Surveyor has ELINT dome, PHOTO EVIDENCE proves it, go kiss a frog tonight, it's Friday




I already did...MikeZAR eating humble pie for weekend, it's Friday bashing here

The British Sentinel dome on top of fuselage is NOT radar, it's ELINT SATCOM hardware dome, confirmed by military sources :

"The modifications include a canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage to house the radar antenna, a radome on the upper fuselage to house the SATCOM antenna."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astor/


Next time, remember that radars for ISTAR aircraft are under fuselage, not above it like AWACS, MikeCAR Olodo

The Nigerian ATR-42 upgrade put the dome, ELINT dome on top fuselage like the British and Chinese airforce.

South Africa can go try put a dome on their C-47 Dakota and lets see all the 50 year old aluminium aircraft fall into pieces

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Do me a favor, draw arrows towards the domes you are referring to.

I want this to be on record for all.

agaugust:
[s]Yes ! NAF is equal in ISTAR to USAF, RAF, we are world class !

LOL....LOLZ...My sides South Africans don't know about Multi-Mission ISTAR....too advanced for a Soweto brain

Actually the British air force is now upgrading her own Sentinel ISTAR aircraft to do maritime patrol like Nigerian air force ATR-42.

South Africans know NOTHING about ISTAR, their race and generations have NEVER seen one such aircraft

Let me educate you 50 million Southies in the village nation of ANC. You see, powerful countries like Nigeria, China, Britain, etc do buy ISTAR aircraft for land patrol or maritime patrol initially, then later do upgrade and add the other capacity to get the aircraft to be perfect on land and sea operations, it is called MULT-MISSION ISTAR you South African born fooooools ![/s]

NAF has upgraded our ATR-42 Maritime to now do perfect land ISTAR plus sea ISTAR, upgrade done in Britain.

RAF of Britain is now upgrading their own land ISTAR, the Sentinel, to do maritime ISTAR after Nigeria advanced ahead of them.

"The United Kingdom is to begin the process of upgrading its fleet of Raytheon Sentinel R.1 Airborne Stand-Off Radar (ASTOR) surveillance aircraft to conduct maritime operations in mid-2015, the government disclosed on 24 October.The news that work to upgrade the Sentinel R.1's maritime capabilities will soon begin, the RAF is looking to introduce enhanced capabilities to the surveillance aircraft to turn it into a true multi-mission platform."

http://www.janes.com/article/45057/uk-to-upgrade-sentinel-r-1s-for-maritime-operations

That is why Nigerian ATR-42 became multi-mission ISTAR aircraft perfected for maritime war and land war, that's why NAF wrecked Boko Haram as Nigeria controlled the entire battle-fields the size of Scotland, from the air !

That is how Nigeria will delete the SANDF in battle from 330 km away !

[s]All 50 million South Africans have learnt from a Nigerian free web education classroom again today o !

NAF = USAF =RAF = PLAAF in ISTAR....we play with super powers !

GAME OVER.....See Nigerian air force ISTAR power below [/s]
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So you are saying that the ATR42 is just as good as the Bombadier Dash, EC-130H, Boeing OC-135B Open Skies, Boeing RC-135?

Ok, citations please, compare the ATR42 to the above in terms of capabilities and numbers

How will Nigeria delet SANDF from 330km away when your ATR42 does not have that range and you have no weapons that extend that far?

Dude, you are a complete and utter joke... but now i can say that you are a delusional joke

Henry120:
JLN115 this is Ukraine's Helicopter in the DRC you retarrd. You can clearly see the Ukrainian flag.

That is a crude photoshop

So painfully crude i suspect you used microsoft paint

agaugust:
Nigerian ISTAR power equals world super power like Britain, China, America, etc . We play in that big league.

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So you are saying that the ATR42MP (maritime patrol) has the same capacity as the platforms in the USAF and RAF?

Please tell me you are saying that

agaugust:
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Complete Olodo, come to Nigeria for FREE EDUCATION, Soweto schools are shiiiiit

That's an ELINT dome for SATCOM, it enables ISTAR aircraft to operate ELINT capability, super electronic intelligence and network capability !

https://books.google.ca/books?id=4S3h8j_NEmkC&pg=PA441&lpg=PA441&dq=ELINT+dome&source=bl&ots=hJUuIVVXaW&sig=r2x4lGenTDkWOzjtvzmSVugVckc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMIi9iay_eIxgIVyyyMCh34pA4S#v=onepage&q=ELINT%20dome&f=false


MikeCZAR you fumbled and wobbled by saying the Dome on top of the British Sentinal ISTAR aircraft is a radar !

No, it's a SATCOM ELINT dome you Soweto mugu !

Come into our Nigerian classroom now my boy, let Naija invest into your under-funded brain

"The modifications include a canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage to house the radar antenna, a radome on the upper fuselage to house the SATCOM antenna."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astor/



Another example below is from China...

"The GX-8 is believed to be an electronic intelligence (ELINT) gathering platform, mounting four distinctive elongated antennas on its fuselage. It also carries a prominent nose radar and SATCOM dome. At least three GX-8s are known to be in service with the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) North Sea Fleet's 2nd Air Division.

http://www.janes.com/article/44169/japan-intercepts-new-chinese-gx-8-elint-aircraft"


Mike CZAR and his fellow 50 million South Africans NEVER seen ELINT dome in their country's black-white-coloured history

Every South African citizen is eating the humble pie now, South African air force CANNOT afford to buy one ELINT aircraft like Nigeria

Nigerian ISTAR power equals world super power like Britain, China, America, etc . We play in that big league.

PHOTO 1 : Britain's air force ISTAR

PHOTO 2 : Nigeria's air force ISTAR power world class

PHOTO 3 : China's air force ISTAR

South Africa ranks with Burundi and Rwanda having ZERO of this great military capability[/s]

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1. I dont see any links confirming that your ATR has this
2. Gripen is ISTAR capable

Lolly lozy lol

agaugust:
F-7 jet uses Recce pods too, so F-7 = Gripen

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft do NOT need configuration to do the job, the fact that Gripen uses romovable pods means it's NOT is made for ISTAR.

Have you seen NAF needing to go fix Radome on ATR-42 before it goes to mission? No.

[size=16pt]Patches finally admits that Gripen is NOT ISTAR aircraft.

It needs re-configuration to do ordinary recce [/size]

1. F-7 capabilities are inferior to those of the Gripen in all roles - especially recon
2. Gripen is ISTAR - if you dispute this then you need to be educated on the meaning of ISTAR

Henry120:
Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

Your beechcraft are not ISTAR platforms

They are VIP transports.

agaugust:
[s]Britain is no longer at that level now, only South Africa remains 66 years behind Nigeria and Britain in ISTAR....See what Britain uses today....NAF and RAF are in same league....Nigeria is is in same ISTAR class with world super powers ![/s]
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1. Compare capabilities - ATR is vastly inferior
2. Gripen can perform ISTAR roles

agaugust:
[s]Dedicated ISTAR aircraft is what Nigeria has !

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?

"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Why don't Nigeria use F-7 jets recce pods instead of spending $120 million on ATR-42 aircraft for ISTAR ?

ISTAR aircraft don NOT use tiny Recce pods, they use GIANT SIZE RADOME....see under the belly of NAF ISTAR.....and show me such in SAAF [/s]!
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You dont have any recon pods or Jaguars

Gripen can be configured for ISTAR - if you dispute that then you need a lesson in the meaning of ISTAR

ATR-42 is a high endurance MPA, it hunts pirates and cannot operate in a contested airspace

MikeCZAR:
India's procurement system is messed up.

They slashed the number of Rafales to make funds available for some local rubbi.sh jet.

Denel was banned though the ban is lifted now, Rheinmetall is too now banned.

India is a shithole when it comes to military procurement.

Its a goddamn mess.

Apart from the Brahmos and their indigenous destroyer, literally every other single contract is an aboslute nightmare... and dont even get me started on the Tejas (my face when they develop a delta wing in an era of euro-canards and thrust vectoring)

Pak-FA and Arjun are some of the most spectacular fails I have seen in a long time

agaugust:
Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
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Do you need a lesson in what ISTAR means?

This guy thinks ISTAR is some godly platform that none can acsend to. When in reality, its pretty basic stuff... Hell the British did it in WW2 with Mosquito strike-fighters guiding Lancasters onto target over Germany

agaugust:
Something South Africa does NOT have....that's what ISTAR is
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Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance

Recon Pod = Intelligence, surveilance, reconnaissance

Targeting pod = target aquisition and targetting

Gripen = ISTAR

Deal with it

agaugust:
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Show us Gripen jet ISTAR pod...not Recce pod, I mean ISTAR pod...show us....Olodo

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Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance = ISTAR

Done with Gripen with Recon pod and targeting pod.

agaugust:
Something far more than ordinary Recce that is done by Gripen, F-7, Jaguar toys
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Do you need to be reminded what ISTAR is?

agaugust:
Gripen showed face for about 30 minutes max endurance, Only after NATO did a SEAD on Libyan air defences that were already crippled by years of military embargo.

ATR-42 does not need to enter enemy airspace, it just flies around loitering on Nigerian air base and it's wizard eyes of a radar can see 330 km away !!!!!

SAAF can only dream while NAF displays !
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Gripen is an ISTAR platform that can operate in a contested airspace.

You dont have a simular platform

End of story.

Also, citation for Gripen 30 min endurance - last time you said that you got humiliated