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THE REALITY IS THAT NIGERIA IS FULL OF TALENTS. HOWEVER, BAD GOVERNANCE CONTINUES TO RUIN PEOPLE'S POTENTIALS AND CHANCES.

scud: Because the bible says so. God said I will set an egyptian against an egyptian!

The Egyptians, though physically located on the African Soil, do not consider themselves as Africans, per say. Together with the likes of Algeria, Morocco, Lybia, etc, regard themselves and are classified/regarded as Arabs. And, please do not bring the book of fictions and folklores, called the Bible, into this crucially important debate that all Nigerians and, in deed, all Africans (South of the Sahara) should seriously be reflecting upon.

plaetton: Ah ha.
The bible readers are once again confused about what is written in the bible. Lost in in translation, perhaps?
This part of the scripture is carefully avoided because the more you probe, the more the likelyhood that you might run into some unsettling answers, Answers that are guranteed to bring even more confusion to the infallible word of god.

First,do we believe the words of the bible to be absolute truth or at least close to the true events as they were understood by the scribes?

"The nephilim were in the earth in those days".
This implies that a class of beings who were non-human were cohabiting with humans in those days. Right?
"when the sons of Elohim(the lofty ones or higher beings) saw the daughters of men and came down(from the sky or stars or anothoer planet?) and took them as wives".
This again implies the the sons of the lofty ones came down from their abode outside of earth and mated with humans and added their dna to the human gene pool to create A hybrid species.
For this to happen, there had to be genetic compatibility, righ?

So, few things we know for sure is that these nephilim, fallen angels or whatever fancy name you give to them are : (a)were physical flesh and blood beings who even had se.xual urges.
(b)they came down to earth and were therefore not from earth. So they came from another physical world. Another physical world means another planet, right?

What do we call humanoid biological entities that are from other worlds? We call them extra-terrestials. Not so?

Excerpts from the book of Enoch(non-canonical for obvious reasons) tell us that these fallen angels taught humans to mine and forge metals,the use of fire,arts and crafts,taught mankind about the stars,science, agriculture, herbs and medicines. These are all the legacies that humankind have relied upon to build and advance our human civilisations, not so?

So, the bible itself is telling us in simple language, that eons ago, a race of advanced humanoid beings came down to earth, cohabited with humans, interbred with humans and tinkered with humnan dna.
The earliest civilisations of summer and egypt all say the same thing.
It has long puzzled archealogists and historians how those civilisations just sprung up from nowhere instead of gradually evolving as would have been expected of humans at the later stages of the stone age.
Why is that sooooo hard for bible believers to accept what is clearly written in their holy book?

Therefore, the nephilims, fallen angels,sons of El or the Elohim or whatever you call them were extra-terrestial beings.

SPOT ON. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. NO ARGUMENT.

Interesting this is being discussed here. I completed a thesis on this pericope. Due to be published, this an extract from the abstract: "Having carefully weighed the various interpretations regarding the identification of the Sons of God in Gen. 6: 1-4, this work rejects the Sethite-Cainite interpretation and the royal aristocracy theory. It consequently suggests that the term, the Sons of God, in this passage, implies supernatural beings (traditionally, angels).

Pastor Kun: hmmm very dicey topic that most brethen like to avoid. For me you can't fully understand this passage well without delving into the book of enoch. Even though some christians would not touch the book of enoch because it is not one of the canonised books by the mainstream christian churches.[some christian denominations such as the ethiopean orthodox church have the book of enoch in their biblical canon]. The book of enoch is also referenced in the book of Jude 1:14-15. Anyway my point is that the story in genesis 6:2-4 is repeatd in more detail in the book of enoch and reading the book of enoch might shed more light on the subject matter.

Absolutely agree with you. You cannot fully explicate this pericope without gleaning insights from the Book of Enoch.


Academic biblical exegetical studies in non-confessional theology departments in secular European and North American universities is a far cry from all these sermonising and rationalisations going on here!

AdeCisco: Well...when a man samples women around then he's the MAN. but if a woman tries it, she's a LovePeddler.

This is legendary

megacity: As envisaged, the first day of her visit ended in bed, and after several rounds of …, we slept; she ended up spending four days on that occasion.

OP: You mean this didn't send the alarm bell ringing?

Shown below is the picture of our uncle, Ebele Azikiwe, and his wife, Patience Faka, on their wedding day. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder! Walai ta lai, they're both dead gorgeous. Praise the Lord! Hallaluyah.


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This is the picture of my uncle, Abdullahi, and his wife, Aminat, on their wedding day. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder! Walai ta lai, they're gorgeous. Praise the Lord!

Never say Never! Lions and Lionesses, please ROOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

#%&@:
^ do not mistake the oba of benin for the olu of itsekiri who married a kpotoki woman.

You're right. At the beginning of the 17th century, a son of the reigning Olu was sent to Portugal and returned with a Portuguese wife. Their son Antonio Domingo was Olu of Warri in the 1640s.

It would have been noted that apart from the Fulani people (many of who have skin colour resembling those of the Arabs), some Bini and Igbo people are light skinned. Why is this? I am proposing that in 1515 when Capuchin monks from Portugal made the first (but failed) attempt at evangelising Nigeria, these monks who operated mainly in the Bini Kingdom bleeped several Bini women whose offspring intermarried with the Delta-Igbos. These also intermarried with the Igbos, east of the Niger, and so on and so forth. Bla bla bla!

Frankly speaking, if you're light-skinned Bini or Igbo, go for blood test, you could qualify for Portuguese citizenship. lol.

Clinging to unverifiable propositions is the height of ignorance.

victorazy: Hehehehehe that's y I hide my identity from them.

UHMN, so you use sluts. Amazing self-confession.

Don't be under any illusion, I neither condone nor tolerate this guy's actions or inactions. Nonetheless, this is not the only news in the UK about foreign or UK nationals behaving badly. In fact, whilst this story has not, as yet, hit the BBC news 24, the hot news on the channel currently concerns Mr Iftikhar and Mrs Farzana Ahmed who allegedly killed their daughter (Shafilea Ahmed) over her Westernised lifestyle (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4330608/Parents-killed-their-daughter-Shafilea-Ahmed-over-her-Westernised-lifestyle.html). And it's not an isolated case amongst Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Google 'HONOUR KILLINGS' and you'll have to trawl over zillion records and news items. Over the previous two weeks, it's been about Asian paedophile ring who were busted and convicted in Rochdale, North West England (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9253712/Members-of-paedophile-gang-to-be-sentenced.html). Even the Police Officers who were investigating Ibori for corruption were themselves corrupt police officers (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/23/three-arrested-met-police-corruption?newsfeed=true).

I am not aware of any equivalent national websites where citizens of other nations around the world congregate to vilify their own, and that's my problem with Nigerians on NL. Yes, this dastardly act of this chemistry teacher brings us shame and dishonour especially at work. But, listen! Whenever work colleagues says things along the line of "reports claim that Nigerian politicians are corrupt?". I often respond by saying "oh yeah...just as there are reports on systemic and endemic corruption amongst British MPs who, for decades, were fiddling expenses claims". I've also been told, "Oh Patsey, I understand that the Nigeria Police is very corrupt" to which I responded along the lines of "oh well in the same way that I understand that the London Met is equally not insulated from all manners of corruption". In fact, today in the staff room -- packed with around 20 people -- one of the very senior managers (by the way, he's an Asian) asked across the room -- so everyone could hear him in his deep-toned male voice -- "Patsey, have you heard the news of the Nigerian teacher who is standing trial for child molestation" to which I promptly responded "Mr Patel, no, I've been following the news of the Indian-Pakistani family who killed their daughter over her Westernised lifestyle as well as the news of the Asian paedophile ring in Rochdale". Mr Patel gave me one punch. In return, I gave him two deadly blows. He quickly left the common room. A Ghanaian colleague winked at me, later telling me "I thoroughly enjoyed the insult you heaped back upon that stupid and arrogant Patel." And what's my point. We Nigerians need to stand up for ourselves wherever in the world we may be living and working and let the world know that wrong doers are 'demons' and 'beasts' from all nations, nooks and corners of this earth and not just from Nigeria.

MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH ALL CONCERNED - the abused girl and her family as well as the wife and children of Mr. Keith Ogunsola. May this man -- whose teaching career is now over anywhere in the developed world -- fully come to terms with the 'demon' in his life and change for the good.

The world over, members of the Armed Forces including the Police don't parade themselves on Facebook and similar social network site in their uniforms. Conversely, however, this is precisely what members of the Nigerian Police Force and the Nigeria Armed Forces (Army, Navy and Air Force) do, parading themselves CHILDISHLY on Facebook in their uniforms. These uniforms not only carry police and military personnels' names but also identify their units (e.g. signalling, logistics, chaplaincy, etc.). In the developed world, members of the armed forces and police, including officers of the Secret Services often don't identify themselves to the general public. Why are members of the Nigerian Armed Forces parading themselves in uniforms on social network sites, e.g. Facebook? Is this a risk to our national security, even remotely?

Houston’s All Saints Anglican: Are Rev. Jones and AMiA the problem?

By:
Anthony Ogbo
Houston City Hall Examiner


■ When Bishop Jones of the Anglican Mission weighed in to sanitize this dysfunctional sanctuary on Renn Street, observers hailed him because they had anticipated hopeful rays at the end of the tunnel. Unfolding events question the credibility of this presiding bishop and his peace initiative and reveal a destructive shiftiness in sincerity and Faith.

When the Chairman of the Board of Trustee (BOT) of Igbo-dominated All Saints Anglican Church in Houston walked into a house event hosted by a church member a few weeks ago, it became obvious that the trouble besieging the parish for more than 20 months now is far from over. He was ushered in with an Igbo victory song proclaiming the removal of the embattled Parish Priest, Venerable Ogbunugwu. While some guests walked out in disappointment, others including the flamboyant chairman himself, toasted with alcohol, jubilated, and touted a proposed announcement of the parish priest’s removal.

Realistically, the problems that suffuse All Saints are like the Gaza Strip. Community members had hoped a timely intervention by Bishop Jones representing the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMiA), under which this parish operates, would yield completely positive results – but it is indeed troubling that after the Right Reverend Jones lured, or compelled, All Saints Anglican to a pricey arbitration procedure headed by one Reverend Sims, the process which started with a retainer of $7,500 swelled to almost $26,000.00.

To make it worse, the reports, and recommendations generated in the process were dumped out of consideration. Besides, and more troubling is that the same Right Reverend Jones is now pushing for an internal mediation process that currently relegates his trust and dependence.

For 18 months or so, International Guardian has monitored events at All Saints. It revealed in separate dissertations how this spiritual dome was threatened by a battle between the Board of Trustees (BOT) and the Parochial Church Council (PCC) over control, accountability, and style of governance. Our editorial assessments also narrowed the issues to both internal governance, and fiscal management.

It is much expected that the governance issues may have been structured according the AMiA order under which All Saints operates, while church administrators are duly audited for financial uprightness. Most disappointingly, after months of intervention by Right Reverend Jones, none of these issues were purely addressed. Rather, the process was not only commercialized, but was battered by schismatic tenacity, obsequiousness, hurtful rumors, and seemingly lack of faith in their own God.


The Bishop, with his hired mediators, are being accused of tilting to the BOT chairman who writes the checks, and controls the church’s offertory, and we can now see why. The arbitration process was initially agreed to at a $7,500 retainer, but without a published report of stewardship, it sailed into a whopping $26,500.00. Issues changed when the Board Chairman issued this check to the mediator without the blessing of the entire church management. Undoubtedly, the issue changed from divine ceasefire to doing business as usual.


With this latest development, the parish is on the verge of splitting, and modalities are being secretly worked out by a faction with a strong legal backup. On the contrary, a three-man peace committee approved by Bishop has secretly worked out a retirement of Venerable Ogbunugwu with a monetary settlement. It was gathered that there was a renewed plans to fly in a Nigerian-based priest, Rev. Kelechi Okere, who eventually turned out to be the brother-in-law of Board Chairman Foster Duru. Venerable Ogbunugwu, in turn, had rejected any offer and, in fact, opted out of any more arbitration, it was learnt.

With this cluttered development, it would not be inaccurate to question Right Reverend Jones’ celestial feat in his spiritual capacity, and his credibility in conflict resolution. If Right Reverend Jones has faith in the Lord’s instructions on prayers, and has faith as his major weapon to address these pressing needs, why would a self-financed African church be cajoled to pay as much as $26,500.00 to another man of God for mediating an internal brotherly matter? There are credible pastors in the community, proficient in similar disciplines than can arbitrate for free. We are also positive that the African Bar Association, in its commitment to the Houston African community, could offer a more constructive assistance to this issue without asking for a pound of flesh.

Yet the ethical implications of this arbitration disorder remain to evoke more ambiguities and questions. For instance, if Right Reverend Jones believes in Our Lord’s instruction on prayers through Matthew 26:41 to "Keep alert and pray. Otherwise temptation will overpower you. For though the spirit is willing enough, the body is weak," why would money and influence supersede spiritual deliverance, devotional interference, and sacred wisdom?

One wonders why International Guardian as a newspaper has always championed the tough issues of the African community. The establishment of All Saints Anglican Church has a compelling story that resonates with Nigerian immigrants, their struggle for identity, and their survival in a society where immigration is often a taboo topic. All Saints Anglican is not just one of those churches on the next street, but a symbolic synagogue - not only to Houston Nigerians, but to the Igbos as a tribe. This is why the entire Nigerian immigrant population must stand up to the current mess with positive words and prayers.


To the Guardian, Civil Rights are not just a non-representational philosophy. They provide ethical and legitimate avenues for human existence, devoid of discrimination or persecution. International Guardian has defended these values in no small measure, working to ensure that RESIDENTS, especially the IMMIGRANT community, exercise their opportunity to fully participate in this society— to live as full-fledged citizens, without fear of discrimination

Issues of the All Saints Anglican thus falls within the circumference of our editorial mission and values. In a thorough abridgment, at this time, we must implore with respect, the Right Reverend Jones and the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMiA) to fix All Saints Anglican or let it go! From all indications, Right Reverend Jones and management of All Saints Anglican owe the congregation a complete audited statement of all its financial records. It must also effect endorsement of its controversial bylaws, with emphasis tailored to the canon laws of the Anglican Church of Rwanda under which AMiA exists.

AMAiA has always touted its commitment to evangelism through church planting, fulfilling Christ's Great Commandment and Great Commission; therefore, playing ping pong with the reality of faith contradicts these core values. Consequently, any endorsement of favoritism, obsequiousness, or a tilt to money, rather than issues of faith and spirituality will carry some self-inflicting repercussions.

http://www.examiner.com/article/houston-s-all-saints-anglican-are-rev-jones-and-amia-the-problem

SEE ALSO:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldIgboCongress/message/33593

WHAT A SHAME, IMO vs ANAMBRA POLITICS IN THE CHURCH OF GOD IN FAR AWAY USA. ISI EWUs!

Houston’s All Saints Anglican: Are Rev. Jones and AMiA the problem?

By:
Anthony Ogbo
Houston City Hall Examiner


■ When Bishop Jones of the Anglican Mission weighed in to sanitize this dysfunctional sanctuary on Renn Street, observers hailed him because they had anticipated hopeful rays at the end of the tunnel. Unfolding events question the credibility of this presiding bishop and his peace initiative and reveal a destructive shiftiness in sincerity and Faith.

When the Chairman of the Board of Trustee (BOT) of Igbo-dominated All Saints Anglican Church in Houston walked into a house event hosted by a church member a few weeks ago, it became obvious that the trouble besieging the parish for more than 20 months now is far from over. He was ushered in with an Igbo victory song proclaiming the removal of the embattled Parish Priest, Venerable Ogbunugwu. While some guests walked out in disappointment, others including the flamboyant chairman himself, toasted with alcohol, jubilated, and touted a proposed announcement of the parish priest’s removal.

Realistically, the problems that suffuse All Saints are like the Gaza Strip. Community members had hoped a timely intervention by Bishop Jones representing the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMiA), under which this parish operates, would yield completely positive results – but it is indeed troubling that after the Right Reverend Jones lured, or compelled, All Saints Anglican to a pricey arbitration procedure headed by one Reverend Sims, the process which started with a retainer of $7,500 swelled to almost $26,000.00.

To make it worse, the reports, and recommendations generated in the process were dumped out of consideration. Besides, and more troubling is that the same Right Reverend Jones is now pushing for an internal mediation process that currently relegates his trust and dependence.

For 18 months or so, International Guardian has monitored events at All Saints. It revealed in separate dissertations how this spiritual dome was threatened by a battle between the Board of Trustees (BOT) and the Parochial Church Council (PCC) over control, accountability, and style of governance. Our editorial assessments also narrowed the issues to both internal governance, and fiscal management.

It is much expected that the governance issues may have been structured according the AMiA order under which All Saints operates, while church administrators are duly audited for financial uprightness. Most disappointingly, after months of intervention by Right Reverend Jones, none of these issues were purely addressed. Rather, the process was not only commercialized, but was battered by schismatic tenacity, obsequiousness, hurtful rumors, and seemingly lack of faith in their own God.


The Bishop, with his hired mediators, are being accused of tilting to the BOT chairman who writes the checks, and controls the church’s offertory, and we can now see why. The arbitration process was initially agreed to at a $7,500 retainer, but without a published report of stewardship, it sailed into a whopping $26,500.00. Issues changed when the Board Chairman issued this check to the mediator without the blessing of the entire church management. Undoubtedly, the issue changed from divine ceasefire to doing business as usual.


With this latest development, the parish is on the verge of splitting, and modalities are being secretly worked out by a faction with a strong legal backup. On the contrary, a three-man peace committee approved by Bishop has secretly worked out a retirement of Venerable Ogbunugwu with a monetary settlement. It was gathered that there was a renewed plans to fly in a Nigerian-based priest, Rev. Kelechi Okere, who eventually turned out to be the brother-in-law of Board Chairman Foster Duru. Venerable Ogbunugwu, in turn, had rejected any offer and, in fact, opted out of any more arbitration, it was learnt.

With this cluttered development, it would not be inaccurate to question Right Reverend Jones’ celestial feat in his spiritual capacity, and his credibility in conflict resolution. If Right Reverend Jones has faith in the Lord’s instructions on prayers, and has faith as his major weapon to address these pressing needs, why would a self-financed African church be cajoled to pay as much as $26,500.00 to another man of God for mediating an internal brotherly matter? There are credible pastors in the community, proficient in similar disciplines than can arbitrate for free. We are also positive that the African Bar Association, in its commitment to the Houston African community, could offer a more constructive assistance to this issue without asking for a pound of flesh.

Yet the ethical implications of this arbitration disorder remain to evoke more ambiguities and questions. For instance, if Right Reverend Jones believes in Our Lord’s instruction on prayers through Matthew 26:41 to "Keep alert and pray. Otherwise temptation will overpower you. For though the spirit is willing enough, the body is weak," why would money and influence supersede spiritual deliverance, devotional interference, and sacred wisdom?

One wonders why International Guardian as a newspaper has always championed the tough issues of the African community. The establishment of All Saints Anglican Church has a compelling story that resonates with Nigerian immigrants, their struggle for identity, and their survival in a society where immigration is often a taboo topic. All Saints Anglican is not just one of those churches on the next street, but a symbolic synagogue - not only to Houston Nigerians, but to the Igbos as a tribe. This is why the entire Nigerian immigrant population must stand up to the current mess with positive words and prayers.


To the Guardian, Civil Rights are not just a non-representational philosophy. They provide ethical and legitimate avenues for human existence, devoid of discrimination or persecution. International Guardian has defended these values in no small measure, working to ensure that RESIDENTS, especially the IMMIGRANT community, exercise their opportunity to fully participate in this society— to live as full-fledged citizens, without fear of discrimination

Issues of the All Saints Anglican thus falls within the circumference of our editorial mission and values. In a thorough abridgment, at this time, we must implore with respect, the Right Reverend Jones and the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMiA) to fix All Saints Anglican or let it go! From all indications, Right Reverend Jones and management of All Saints Anglican owe the congregation a complete audited statement of all its financial records. It must also effect endorsement of its controversial bylaws, with emphasis tailored to the canon laws of the Anglican Church of Rwanda under which AMiA exists.

AMAiA has always touted its commitment to evangelism through church planting, fulfilling Christ's Great Commandment and Great Commission; therefore, playing ping pong with the reality of faith contradicts these core values. Consequently, any endorsement of favoritism, obsequiousness, or a tilt to money, rather than issues of faith and spirituality will carry some self-inflicting repercussions.

http://www.examiner.com/article/houston-s-all-saints-anglican-are-rev-jones-and-amia-the-problem

SEE ALSO:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldIgboCongress/message/33593

WHAT A SHAME, IMO vs ANAMBRA POLITICS IN THE CHURCH OF GOD IN FAR AWAY USA. ISI EWUs!

Scrap the scheme. By the way where is the gains of oil subsidy? Is this country turning into another Zimbabwe?

ojogbontomoye: With her unpolished accent? Guys stop fooling yourselves. I cant even understand what she says in her ugly Ibo accent, how would other non-Ibos understand her. If she can change her embarrassing Ibo accent to Yoruba, then maybe she would have a chance.

You're one of the most ignorant contributors on this platform and ostensibly on this planet. Have you ever listened to Ban Ki-moon? I guess you don't know who he is. Do you? The problem with Nigerians, such as yourself, is that they do not appreciate what they have. You can't understand her accent, yet, she successfully completed her undergraduate and most importantly her postgraduate studies, defending her PhD viva; she also, till date, held down some of the most enviable jobs on this planet earth. Well her professors, employers study and work colleagues definitely understands her; aand, the fact that you don't simply implies that YOU MUST BE DAFT!