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OtemAtum:
Nowadays, Christians are into scamming, collecting money for private jets, telling big lies about miracles that didn't happen. Muslims are the ones now leading the violence, Christians are leading in lies, deceptions, cheating and scamming in the name of miracles, tithe and offering.

you have a point here.

Between scamming and killings, which is more harmful to humanity?

lexy2014:
Chingbudu isn't d pastor of Word of life bible church. That is oritsejafors church and its in warri. He is d pastor of voice of freedom Benin. Blogger i no ur pride wont let u acknowledge& correct ur blunder but always get ur facts right b4 coming out with a story

who say chinbudun nor fit commot for bini go warri go make alter call?
See ya sef?

You tink say warri people be like yoruba were dem mumu to like babalawo quick money so tey dem go practice their yoruba traditional rituals inside church just to turn God into money doubler,sote adebole and oledepo go dey scam them for seed sowing inside shursh take their money buy private space ship?

lexy2014:
Chingbudu isn't d pastor of Word of life bible church. That is oritsejafors church and its in warri. He is d pastor of voice of freedom Benin. Blogger i no ur pride wont let u acknowledge& correct ur blunder but always get ur facts right b4 coming out with a story

who say chinbudun nor fit go warri go make alter call?
See ya sef?

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White garment full everywhere for yoruba

The General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor Enoch Adeboye, has led millions of Christian faithful to declare war on the tough challenges of life, including cancer.

He said although the Scriptures assure us that we are Born to Win; and that we are conquers, there is a war of life to be fought.

“Don’t let anybody deceive you; life is war,” he stated. “From the day you were born till the day you die, it is war! The battle begins when a child is born and he or she keeps fighting until finally when death comes.”

He said at the May Holy Ghost Service of the church at the Redemption Camp that not even the Biblical assurance of our being more than conquerors exempts us from the warfare of life. “When you give your life to Jesus Christ, you have just joined the Army of Christ,” he said, illustrating it with 2 Corinthians 10:3: “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds”

The General Overseer, who preached a sermon “Born to Win” under the series “Swimming in Glory,” also used a familiar illustration: “You see, when you read ‘We are more than conquerors’ that should tell you straightaway, it is a very serious matter”.

“We don’t use the word conqueror when we are discussing games. In a football match, we say one team wins, another loses or there is a draw. We don’t use the word ‘conquer,’ but you conquer in war.

“The God we serve is not a civilian; the Bible says; ‘The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.”

It also says: He is mighty in battle.’

Taking time to explain the various battle fronts, he listed them as sickness, poverty, the battle for freedom from bondage, and the battle with attackers.

Sickness

“You must fight sickness,” he charged. “The moment you give your life to Jesus Christ, you are equipped to fight sickness and win.”

Citing the reaction of the body to the ingestion of poison and cuts, he stated that God created the human body to fight diseases.He recalled doctors saying that under proper conditions the body will always heal itself and that sometimes drugs are administered to hasten the fight of the body system against diseases; and placebo drugs are given when it is discovered that the body can overcome a disease.

Admitting that despite the available opportunities to fight diseases people die, he pointed out that we are all going to die someday and that when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he still died later.

Despite the reality of death, he stressed the need to fight sickness so that people don’t die before their time.

“You must fight sickness; don’t let sickness kill you before your time,” he said. “You must fight any sickness that is trying to send you to early grave.”

He shared a testimony of man who deified death: “An old man known as Baba Okeowo came to me, I think at the age of 84, to say, “Please pray for me because I have only two weeks more to live.”

“Why?” I asked.

He said a prophet told him when he was 44 years old that he would live to be 84 and also several other things that had come to pass.

“So, that is why I have come to this holy ground to die here,” he added.

I laughed and said, “Papa, do you really want to die?”

He said, “No, of course not, but that prophet said so.”

I said, “No, let’s forget about the prophet. What do you want? Now that you have given your life to Jesus, are you ready to serve God?”

He said, “With all my heart.”

I assured him, “Forget the prophecy, you will live and not die.”

Papa was almost 100 years when he finally said, “Daddy G.O., please I think I would love to go now.”

After a congregational prayer, during which he joined his faith with others, Pastor Adeboye continued: “You must fight sickness; fight it in your life, fight it in the life of others: Lay hands on the sick, command sickness to leave them. Lay your hands on your children, tell sickness ‘

“You must fight sickness,” he charged. “The moment you give your life to Jesus Christ, you are equipped to fight sickness and win.”

Citing the reaction of the body to the ingestion of poison and cuts, he stated that God created the human body to fight diseases.He recalled doctors saying that under proper conditions the body will always heal itself and that sometimes drugs are administered to hasten the fight of the body system against diseases; and placebo drugs are given when it is discovered that the body can overcome a disease.

Admitting that despite the available opportunities to fight diseases people die, he pointed out that we are all going to die someday and that when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he still died later.

Despite the reality of death, he stressed the need to fight sickness so that people don’t die before their time.

“You must fight sickness; don’t let sickness kill you before your time,” he said. “You must fight any sickness that is trying to send you to early grave.”

He shared a testimony of man who deified death: “An old man known as Baba Okeowo came to me, I think at the age of 84, to say, “Please pray for me because I have only two weeks more to live.”

“Why?” I asked.

He said a prophet told him when he was 44 years old that he would live to be 84 and also several other things that had come to pass.

“So, that is why I have come to this holy ground to die here,” he added.

I laughed and said, “Papa, do you really want to die?”

He said, “No, of course not, but that prophet said so.”

I said, “No, let’s forget about the prophet. What do you want? Now that you have given your life to Jesus, are you ready to serve God?”

He said, “With all my heart.”

I assured him, “Forget the prophecy, you will live and not die.”

Papa was almost 100 years when he finally said, “Daddy G.O., please I think I would love to go now.”

After a congregational prayer, during which he joined his faith with others, Pastor Adeboye continued: “You must fight sickness; fight it in your life, fight it in the life of others: Lay hands on the sick, command sickness to leave them. Lay your hands on your children, tell sickness ‘leave my children alone!’

Poverty
He said that although the Bible acknowledges the existence of poverty, it doesn’t single any individual out to die poor and it wasn’t the portion of anyone in the congregation to die in that state.He led his listeners to pray against dying poor.

He also prayed for freedom from bondage and for victory over spiritual attackers. Before that he illustrated how these attacks manifest with Biblical passages and testimonies.

One of the cases happened in Akure: “There was this young man I met when we went to hold a Congress somewhere in Ondo State. We had finished the programme and were about leaving when he blocked my way. Asked what the problem was.

He said, ‘You are not going until you settle my case.’

“I asked him again what the problem was.

He said, ‘I know the plan of God for me is greatness but what I am facing now is contrary to everything.’

“He explained that he had factory machines and that his business was successful until all of a sudden, all the machines packed up and all efforts to repair them had failed. Soon after, he ran out of money; then out of friends, who were even avoiding him because they feared he would ask them for a loan.

“Faced with a home without food for crying children, his wife developed a mental problem.

“As I speak, my wife is in the asylum while my children are dying of hunger,” he lamented.

“I told him that was not a problem and laid my hands on his palms. I then told him to go lay his hands on his wife and the dead machines to see God at work.

“When he laid his hands on his wife, she promptly recovered and said, “Haa, I was fast asleep, why did you wake me?

“He went and also laid his hands on his machines as he was directed and the machines began to work.

Few months later, he became the paramount ruler of his town.”

Yes

WHAT IS SALVATION MESSAGE?
This kinda message is common among old generation churches. Any message emphasizing salvation of the christian against their prosperity is salvation message.
Does that mean that the christian is not saved therefore he needs salvation?
Contrary to that view.
John 3:16 says whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Therefore, since all christians have believed that jesus is the christ and their saviour (irrespective of whether they are sinners or not) they are all saved.

Now, assuming christians were not saved does that mean that they should not seek for prosperity?

Salvation message is not solving any problem in christianity rather it is creating problems.

WHAT IS PROSPERITY MESSAGE?
This is a common message preached among pentecostals, they lay more emphases on prosperity over salvation because to some extent they have agreed that they are already saved.
they teach that for you to prosper as a christian you have to give your life to christ(even when they are saved. Very confused people )
They argue that since God created everything and he is the giver of all good things, for you to receive any good thing from God then you must be committed to church and sacrifice your resources to get prosperity in return.

Many poor people in third world countries like nigeria buy this idea a lot. They want to miraculously escape from poverty without working, so they take God to be some kinda money doubler when they pay tithe and sow seeds to pastors in church.

I also notice that salvation messengers are very kin to condemn prosperity messengers in their own way and beliefs.

Now get this right!
Whether you are salvation messenger or prosperity messenger we are all one in christ.

Christianity sometimes can be a crazy experience, but calve your way out of ignorance.

TVSA:
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omo daystar correct o

Yes ,gathering may be good, but it is not christianity.

We dont need gathering to worship God, we worship him in spirit. That means you are worship just the way you are alive.

Christianity is simply believing in christ and get saved, not gathering.

Fornication is also when you cheat on your bf or gf, not only husband and wife cheating

Jesus is the most celebrated human being!

Why?

Omoawoke:
It's better to cry in a Ferrari than cry inside molue

very true

Henri8:
Are you implying the billionaires cannot create joy for themselves with their wealth?

ofcourse they can!
But that will only happen if they know what to do with their money that will create joy.
But i tell you, there are some people who have money but they dont know what to do with it,It becomes a problem.

Stingman:
" If Buhari like let him impregnate my wife...I will vote for him and mobilze people in my constituncy ikoyi/Obalenda...Kunle Cole

you are a very sincere pottybrain buharist

I used to love and respect this great man of God as a child. We learnt so much from his powerful messages until we started identifying the flaws of it as well.

Op, however, you are worst than idahosa, oyedepo and adeboye because from your post, you have not solved the problems you identified with them.

That was when churches was practicing pure christianity. They have not open theirs to know what first fruit, tithe and raising alter seeds were.

The pastor is right!

Money does not give joy, you create joy for yourself whether there is money or not.

Infact, there are billionaires today who wallow in agony inspite their billions. And there are poor people who live happily than they

correctkidabc:
A Beautiful lady identified as Chinemerem Obieze, has come out to claims she is a proud “Water Spirit” has come out publicly to celebrate the river goddess, Mami-water.

The young lady took to her social media pages to sing praises to the water goddess she called ezenwanyi mmiri Eze.
Source: https://www.correctkid.com/nigerian-girl-speaks-about-being-ogbanje-river-goddessdetails/
https://www.correctkid.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/river.jpg

she is a water spirit yet her picture is here.
Can you see spirit to take it photogragh?

My friend she is just a little girl who is proud of her ancestral gods, that doesnt in anyway make her a spirit.

Game of thrones, good movie

But not for children anyway.

Danhumprey:
So which and which is actually the words of God? What part of the Bible can we say are the real words of God?

anywhere in the bible that summarizes thus :
1.Love God with your heart
2. Love your neighbour as yourself
That is the word of God.
Anything outside that(bad or good) you see in the bible are human inventions .

Even sef, why does an all-powerful, all-knowing God need his words to be codified and written in a book, of human invention?

i dont know,
May be for us to distinguish and see the difference

Why will such a God chose to have his words amongst a whole lot other atrocities and means words?

a whole lot of atrocities like?...

Fayos1:
Exodus 20:1. And the Lord spake all these words, saying...

That is because they were already determined to keep everything.

Its like someone has made up his mind to do a particular bad thing which his father cannot force him to stop doing it. So his father says, since you have made up your mind let me read out other good things you should do in line with this your bad thing you have made up your mind to do.
So he reads them out and speak.
He speaks of the bad things as well as the good things.
Do them, since you have made up your mind.

But do not come to me running for help when the consequences of including those bad things come.

I believe mankind was still very much primitive and they were learning at the time, sometimes they have to learn in the hard way

Danhumprey:
@ bolded, oh? Is that so? The Bible is not more the perfect, infallible words of a perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful God?

hmmm


I laugh!!!

See, to understand this, lets steak to simple rule of identity.
1.God isn't the bible.
2.The word of God isn't the whole bible. Rather, the bible contains the word of God.
3.it is now left for any intelligent christian to eat the orange juice and discard the peels or shafts, less he get chocked taking everything

TVSA:
So you're admitting that some things the prophets recorded as the words of God were never from God. You aren't one of the conventional Christians on nairaland.

Exactly!
I am not one the conventional christians, i say things the way it is.

But please you people should not be hard on christians on nairaland for their ignorance

You know, we were all christians because our parents were christians, and a lot of us did not bother to study further

TVSA:
So Moses was lying when he said God told him all those stuffs he told the Israelites?

Hello!
Those stuffs or whatever were never from God.
They were already developed traditions of the jews developed by their forefathers and they were very determined to keep their traditions(bad or good) and God who maintains free will was not ready to force them do otherwise.
But when the consequences of keeping wrong traditions comes they will suffer it. That is life for you

And how do we know the right instructions to follow and the ones we shouldn't. Is the bible not supposed to be the final authority for a Christian?

the final authority is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.
The bible is just a book containing history

hopefulLandlord:
I think zombie there means fool. he thinks your god is a fool for allowing slavery while banning eating of shellfishes

if that is what God did then he was right calling him fool or zombie.
But he did not do that, i am explaining that God did not do that but he will never want to understand.
Why?
Because he want to remain in that state where he keeps calling God zombie.

hopefulLandlord:
You've danced around and insulted him all without countering what he said. this is an evasive action garnished with ad hominems

i have insulted him because he is saying my God is zombie without ending his argument with premises to show that he is actually zombie

hopefulLandlord:
Shouldn't the morality given by the supposed creator of the universe, who's described by his die hard believers to be the epitome of morality be better than the "Prevalent" morality of the world? does this mean god's morality is given/controlled by humans instead of the other way around?

we have read that God gave moses the 10 commandments which summarizes LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF!
That is Gods morality.

I dont see any correlation between that with humans enslaving fellow humans.

TVSA:
So the biblical moral standard is subjected to the moral standard of the period it was written. So why is the book still relevant today?

you dont get it.
The moral standard of the period is never biblical moral standard. The biblical moral standard is not subjected to the standard of the period in anyway.

Rather, the bible is only pointing out how moral standards used to be in those days.
When we read it today, they are never something we should embibe, but learn from it and calve out a better moral standard for this generation .

Ofcourse history books are still relevant inspite whether the stories may be primitive or not, they are for us to learn