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HardMirror:
rubbish. Tricks are not the same as sorcery. What you have in harry potter is depiction of sorcery not tricks. You are trying too hard to appear intelligent while spewing rubbish

an adult westerner will never stand in front of me to say this rubbish you just said.
Not even in their country.

Harry potter that 10 years old kids were using to make acting fantacies and we will all be laughing.

You africans are truly backward in your thinking

Anas09:
If i perceived (By your antecedents here) that you were a Christian, i could answer you. But, again, you proved me right.

A Christian who says satan does not a exist is an agent of satan inside Church.

wrong premise.

When you travel abroad, there are lot of christians who knows that satan only exist in the mind of people.
These are the real christians.

What you people are practicing in africa are simply known as afro christianity, its a huge deception

frank317:
How can u call urself a Christian and say witchcraft don't exist.

dont attribute witchcraft beliefs to christianity its wrong.
Infacts there are athiests who believe in witchcraft too.

The devil has agents operating in different forms.

you may be right saying if someone step on your toes he is used by the devil, but in the real sense that action is done delibrately or mistakenly so dont be childish

Why do people get possessed by demons?

have you ever seen one before?
Be sincere.

Why do we have pastors who destroy shrines that have been said to hold a community in bondage.

oh, thats african home video.
There is nothing like shrine holding any community in boundage, a lot of africans especially in rural communities may choose to retain their traditional african deities, that does not mean they are possess.

Why do family call for prayers where charms are dug out?

this is absolutely ridiculous!
Charm were dugged ignorantly by people who thinks that the said charm is working and you christians who were suppose to have faith and know better now begins to fear the potency of such fake charms and start praying.
You african christians are acting ridiculously.

Go dig charms for any white man house he will just be laughing at your ignorance
Shhe bi na only africa charm dey work?
What the rubbish

Why did bishop oyedepo slapped a young girl because he thought he was a witch?

i commented on this same issue when the thread surfaced on nairaland oyedepo was absolutey wrong.

My friend, drop ur bible and join atheism. U are a sheep in wolves clothing.

oya come force me drop bible now,
Non sense

Originakalokalo:
You need to study the word of God more and draw closer to God @ paxonel.

God bless you.

thanks

Martinez19:
You say I am ignorant? You who call atheism a religion?

the last time i checked English dictionary this is one of the definitions of the word religion.

an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

Since you are interested in athiesm and have a belief atleast, you cant escape the fact that you are into what is equivalent to religion

Of course the idea of witchcraft is primitive and stupid and there are christians who don't believe in witchcraft and voodoo. I have a family friend like that but on what biblical basis would christians discard the existence and potency of voodoo and witchcraft given that the bible supports it's existence? Try answer logically this time without twisting and dishonestly reinterpretating the scriptures as you I have caught you on two occasions when I asked you this question before.

it is very simple to understand.
I quoted a very valid scripture to you

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I told you that the time of ignorance this scripture was referring to is the old testament but you twisted it to mean the time when people have not repented.
Ok, look at the previous verses of the same Act 17.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

We all know that those who were into idolatory in the old testament uses silver, stones, graven arts of these materials to mold their idols, therefore the scripture was strictly referring to old testament as the time of ignorance which God overlooked all these things.
But you wouldnt listen.

Now,i am telling you that soccery or witchcraft may be practiced in the old testament out of ignorance, that the people who practiced those things did them without knowing that they do not work in the real sense, therefore they do not exist in the real sense, but you wouldnt listen

The bible requires a dynamic thinker to understand these things. Unfortunately a lot of christians today dont think along when they read their bible, thats why the few ones like me that thinks like me, you can mistaken us to be dishonest but meanwhile, the vast majority who doesnt think to understand scriptures are the ones that are not honest, perhaps they are the ones pushing you people into athiesm by their dishonesty

Calling yourself a christian and not believing in voodoo and witchcraft is like calling yourself a christian and not believing in demons.

you see what i am talking about?
Demons dont exist too.
Satan dont exist

We are all architects of our individual failures and successes .

Demons and satan may have existed in the old testament when people were ignorant and God overlooked but certainly not in the new testament anymore.
By extention, not in this present world anymore .

In this present world, technology and science is what exist and if we are not taking advantage of it we will quick to blame demons and satan for our misfortune meanwhile we are causing the misfortune for being ignorant.

I have caught your red handed, severally, being dishonest and logically inadequate. You claimed sorcery was only practiced in the old testament and I showed that it was also practised in the new testament, you then dishonestly decided to cheapen sorcery in the bible to mere tricks even when the bible confirmed the diabolic and spiritual nature of sorcery. After that you then tried to insist that you meant sorcery was outdated and I pointed this was a lie. You are filled with lies. No wonder you still remain a christian, your inability to comprehend your holy book and your dishonesty to always prove your stance of christianity at all costs makes it impossible for you to be free. Enjoy your chains. I will continue my trend later.

look, there are several ways you can understand an entity.
You can understand the entity in one way and when you study that same entity through the other way you will still arrive at the same result.
I may choose to say soccery do not exist or better still, it existed in the old testament but it is primitive or it isnt working therefore it does not exist.
I am still saying the same result, soccery does not exist in the real sense.

It does not mean i am lying or dishonest

budaatum:
Juju and witchcraft, as in their practice, does exist, but that's not to say they work, which is another sense in which we say it doesn't exist, and what I think paxonel might have meant.

thank you bro,

Because i was wondering ,of what use saying something like witchcraft, juju existed and it is not working?

Leave that martinez19 ,he lacks thinking capacity

Martinez19:
Nonsense, dishonest christian. Check out this post of yours post and look at numbers 3-6, especially number 3. It shows you knew where I was heading at and now you have changed your argument because you want to save your face You knew I was asking how you could not believe in the existence of voodoo and witchcraft and call yourself a christian even when the bible supports the existence of both and their diabolic spiritual nature. You knew it and then replied with the above to reduce sorcery in the bible to mere tricks even when it's not so in the bible so that you can be in the right and say that the diabolic spiritual voodoo and witchcraft Africans believe in doesn't exist and the bible doesn't support it hence I am wrong. Your attempt failed woeful and you decided to change your stance with this latest post of yours. How laughable. Seems my other thread has a part 2 unfolding. A very dishonest, ignorant and hypocritical christian

you know what has caused your defeat all this while?

Your pesistent belief that the idea or belief of the existence of witchcraft and diabolic spiritual voodoo should be associated to christianity because some ignorant christians believe in that, but i have proved you wrong that not all christians are primitive like that

Also, ignorance is found in all religion including athiesm and you are one ignorant athiest

I have met a couple of bright and intelligent athiests on nairaland but dont count yourself as one of them

hahn:
Atheists read the bible more than Christians and that is how they become atheists because there is no way you can read so much nonsense in one book and not dump it in the trash

it is because you did not read it objectively thats why you saw non sense, perhaps you deliberately choose to see the non sense.

Martinez19:
More dishonesty and ignorance. The bible consists of two parts : the old and new testament. Sorcery and sorcerers were in both testaments. Pharaoh's magicians were there for the old testament and Simon the sorcerer was there in the new testament (Acts 8:9-24).

I never said sorcery was part of christianity, you PURPOSELY made that up to change the argument, give yourself an imaginary upper hand and shift the goal post. The crux of the matter is christians are supposed to believe in the existence of witchcraft and voodoo since the bible says it exists and I wondered how you could be a christian and not believe in voodoo. More dishonesty! I am loving this.

guy i have checkmate you.
Your queen is no more and your king is at risk.
Just accept the truth

johnydon22:
Judge yourself .

I am not sure you remotely understand the premise of this argument

when i said witchcraft and juju do not exist i was only referring to this current day which is also noticed by lil kesh and olamide.

Trying to disprove me, Martinez19 went to the bible, not just the bible but the old testament. That was his first mistake

johnydon22:
His premise was not whether sorcery was practised in Christianity or old testament. His argument rather refutes your claim that sorcery doesn't exist which he proved is inconsistent with the biblical faith by showing proof that sorcery does in fact exist in the bible.

and i never disputed that soccery does not exist in the bible, i only proved to him that it was never part of christianity and will never possibly exist in christianity.
And since christianity has taken over the world today therefore soccery do not exist today.

By accepting sorcery was practised in the old testament, you have already conceded to his point thus lost this argument.

No,
He says soccery was practiced in the bible and i let him know the bible he thought it was, is not bible that he should not be confused.
Soccery was practiced in the old testament and not the bible ,old testament is Torah.

And for the Christianity part, no other religion burned or killed witches or perceived witches any more than the Christian religion in medieval Europe.

that was ignorance practiced by my fellow christians we all know that

Martinez19:
I never said it did.

Of course, I know witchcraft does not exist but how can you call yourself a christian and not believe in witchcraft?

Lol. Quoting and then interpreting as it is convenient for you . The bible says that you are a new creature and old things have past away but you being a new creature and old things being past doesn't imply in anyway that witchcraft is outdated. It simply means your past sinful deeds are not going to be held against you and you are now considered a new saved creature as opposed to your past unsaved self. It doesn't imply that witchcraft is outdated. You are demonstrating dishonest or incorrigible stupidity.

Science is rising? Yes it is but how does the rise of something automatically implies the fall of another thing? Witchcraft is nonsense and ridiculous garbage but as christian, where is your biblical evidence that witchcraft and voodoo doesn't exist?

So 2000 years ago is not old abi? Let's agree that when you said "primitive times"you meant old testament times, how does something being practiced in old testament times mean that it would stop existing today? Schooling, Mathematics, farming and Philosophy were practiced in primitive times (as you mean) and are still practiced today even though they are now refined but they are still practiced today. How does something being practiced in primitive times imply automatically that it no longer exists?

The one with the non sequitur here is you. Didn't Peter and Philip encounter Simon the magician in Acts 8:9-24? isn't that sorcery is the new testament at a time when christianity was practiced? So we see both christianity and sorcery(voodoo) being practised in the same era, should christianity and voodoo be outdated or should you now acknowledge the existence of voodoo and witchcraft? Go and read your bible my friend, you are a dishonest person with not taste for the truth.

Lol. I said it. Convenience seeking and dishonest christard. You have convinced yourself that not everything in the bible is bible so that you can pick the ones you like and ignore the ones you don't like. Clap for yourself. How do you know which one is bible and which one is not? What if the one you think is not bible is actually bible, how would you tell?

You have no business being a christian if you don't read and comprehend your bible. Witchcraft according to your bible was practiced in primitive times but it never said it is outdated and never existed. I am tackling you here so people can see we atheists knew our bible before dumping christianity in the trash and you people are the deluded, ignorant and dishonest one when you think atheist never really understood the bible and were misinformed or ignorant. Let me notify other atheists and christians to see you logical flaw and dishonesty (Hahn, HardMirror, Johnydon22, HopefulLandlord aka LandlordHopeful, Seun, 1Sharon aka Sharon6, CAPSLOCKED, enilove, originalkalokalo, President1, jiggaz etc. Please, if you care, read my short conversation with the dishonest paxonel)

Your errors:
1) Thinking witchcraft should be outdated because it old testament and christianity should continue because its new testament.
Correction : many years BC and 2000 years ago are primitive and witchcraft and sorcery were practised in new testament times as you can see in Acts 8:9-24 where Peter and Philip encountered Simon the sorcerer. Following the bible and your logic, witchcraft should be existing. Shame on you who don't take your beliefs seriously and is ignorant about it but still spread it to others who would take it seriously and read about it. Uninformed, dishonest, logically flawed and convenience seeking christian. Go and read your bible jare!
2) Concluding without any evidence that not all part of the bible is "bible".
Correction : how did you know that not all part of the bible is bible? How can you tell which part is bible and which part is not? What if the part you think is Bible is actually not, how would you tell?

there is no point mobilising your fellow athiests they cannot help you escape this one.
Just accept the truth,
1. Soccery or witchcraft may be practiced in the old testament but that wasnt christianity
2. Simeon the soccerer you mentioned in the new testament was never a christian.
3. There was never anywhere in the bible which was stated that soccerers have extra ordinary powers
4. Obviously, soccery in the bible were simply magical and explainable tricks(example: pharoahs magicians in the old testament and simeon the soccerer in the new test) used to convince primitive people that there were extra ordinary powers involved, meanwhile they were simple tricks.
5. These are the same principles behind babalawos, juju and witchcraft today. Tricks and nothing more
6. These kind of tricks were replicated in harry potter movies and africans are watching these movies and they will never have sense.

Martinez19:
Lol. The shabbiest explanation to save your face but you failed woefully.

Acts 17:30 has nothing to do with the existence or outdated trend, as you claim, of witchcraft and voodoo. Acts 17:30 was talking about repentance and salvation and how god will no longer overlook those that fail to repent on the day of judgment because god has offered Jesus and people no longer have an excuse hence god's day of overlooking is over. It doesn't say that people have stopped practicing witchcraft or that witchcraft is primitive. Woeful defence on your part. I expected, after I replied you at first, to admit that you were wrong; witchcraft and voodoo indeed exist but people should work hard rather than kill their fellow human beings. You did not, instead because you wanted to defend your convenient position(a dishonest move given that I showed you the truth from the bible) and you want to be right by all means so you cooked up your trashy self defense.

The fact that you couldn't own up to your error but had to spend time to come up with such pathetic biblical defence to your unbiblical claim shows how dishonest and convenience seeking you are. It proves that you, indeed, twist the scriptures by all means to suit your convenient perspective even when it's obvious that it is unbiblical. I am sure you are one of those who bash atheists for not being true christians and not understanding the bible before they deconverted--- how ironic and laughable. You are a confusion maker, you don't even take your beliefs seriously yet you contribute to it's spread and indoctrination of people who would take it seriously.

biko, wetin concern me if you are an athiest?
How does you being and athiest stops me being a christian?

Where is it written in the bible that witchcraft and voodoo are outdated? On what biblical basis would you say witchcraft and voodoo are outdated? None, except you want to stupidly make up one like your similarly did in your last post.

my friend witchcraft do not exist you know that i dont know what you are crying for
My bible let me know that we are new creatures, old things have passed away. Witchcraft or soccery is pretty old in this world that science and technology is dominating africans should throw away the stupid idea and look foward towards better things.
If you dont like it that way go sleep

You say witchcraft was practised in primitive times? So was christianity

another fallacy called non sequíto detected, my guy wake up from your slumber. When i say primitive times i was strictly referring to old testament days. Christianity was never practiced in old testament

but does that make it outdated? Something being believed and practiced in primitive times does not imply that it would be outdated, such an abysmal logical fail from you and I am not surprised.

oya go practice witchcraft if it is not outdated now, who cares?

@bold
Did you read that from the bible or is that your personal opinion? Since when did christians put their opinions over the bible?

I have more to say but I will stop here. Go read your bible and good day.

you talked about pharoah, who does not know pharoah was old?

Do you think everything you read in bible is bible?
You must be joking.
Thats why i told you that you have no business reading bible as an athiest because you will be so confused

You better focus on your athiesm

Martinez19:
Stfu! I just made valid points and instead of you to admit that you are wrong, you start ranting like a lunatic and you ignored my point being the dishonest fellow that you are.

Given that the bible said "suffer not a WITCH to live" and told the story of Pharaoh's magicians replicating God's miracles, how can you call yourself a christian and not believe in witchcraft and voodoo? I DARE YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, COME ON!

Go and read your bible and know what it says rather than promoting something(christianity) you know nothing of and leading to the brainwashing of your children and multitude of others. Read your bible very well so you know what it says and even if you still want remain a christian despite reading the bible, at least you won't be hypocritical or ignorant about it.

forget it,. your point can never be valid being and athiest who dont agree with bible in the first place.

You forget that pharoah days was still a primitive world, just like we have primitive africa today therefore soccery was even commercialised.

But did the bible indicated anywhere that soccery were real practices like miracles?
Even if they were real, the primitive practice have died away over time.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Ofcourse we read how God parted the red sea for the israelites but does that mean it should be a normal practice today that whenever one need to cross a river he calls upon God in a world where beautiful bridges are constructed?

God is not primitive like that.

Has mourínho scored up to 5 in any game before he left?
He was always satistified with one goal, then he will pack the bus and end up drawing 1: 1

Martinez19:
Hypocritical christian who don't read the bible but believe things at their own convenience. Didn't the bible say "suffer not a witch to live"? Didn't the bible support the existence of sorcery by telling how Pharaoh's magicians replicated some of Moses' miracles? How is it then that witchcraft and juju do not exist to you? How?

I am atheist but I get disappointed when you I see christians talking like they don't read their bible or that they are atheist. Funny thing is that you will indoctrinate your children with christianity and hand them the bible to read and if they are honest and not hypocritical like you, they end up believing everything in the bible and becoming dummies. They might even kill themselves using faith healing.

Get serious. It's either you are a christian or not. Go and read your bible.

oh! You are an athiest?

Reserve it for christians who reads bible not athiests like you.

And focus on your athiesm for your own good cos it make no sense jumping into holy books like bible you know nothing about ok

CodeSapien:
So you know more than Jesus abi?
Keep spinning simple logic around for selfish motive.
Apostle Paul even reinforced how tithe answers for believers in heaven in Hebrews but you guys won't see those.
tithing is for every christian.

which hebrew?
Just because the bible is bulky you think it is not possible that there are people who knows that such thing do not exist in hebrew?

Keep deceiving yourself bro no wahalla

CodeSapien:
That verse only reorders those things listed with tithe coming as the least weightier matter but not an outdated matter. Read between the lines.

i put it to you that what you fail to carry along is the story behind the verse.
If you are telling me that tithing is not outdated among the jews who had the old covenant through abraham i will hear you.
But saying tithing is not outdated among today christians, i will confidently tell you that there was nothing like christianity in the old testament or the old covenant when tithing originated and that is the story you people fail to consider, talkless of saying it is outdated.

No one is saying tithing is outdated, those who are still practicing judaism (the jews) are very much free to tithe because it was their tradition and not of the gentiles, thats why in that verse, christ encourages them(the jews not gentiles) to do the weightier part of the law as well as they, embarking on their tithing .

But that should not be mistaken that Jesus is encouraging gentiles to pay tithe.

So i dont know why you gentiles are killing yourselves over what is not your tradition?

CodeSapien:
Mathew 23:23

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Explain that tells see how christ ensorsed tithing here

CodeSapien:
Jesus endorsed tithe

Big lie!
Where in the bible?

Do you know the meaning of the word ENDORSE?

nelsonoba:
Ah ah! You couldn't provide answer to my last question, and now you have gone on a road rage, trying to destroy everything on you see See how realization of truth is pissing you off?? You have no scripture to show......not even one where God specifically mentioned the word TITHING among what he wants us to stop doing, yet you hold on so desperately to that idea?? I hope you will soon realise what I've been saying all along that your problem is GREED!

what seed are you sowing are you a farmer?

Look my friend, freeze never says you shouldnt give to the church if you are giving to advance the kingdom it is highly recommended.
But a situation where your pastors are quoting malachi saying if you dónt pay tithe you are robbing God and you are coursed then you begin to fear and give pastors your money in the name of paying tithe and pastor now go and acquire private jet and build universities where your children cannot afford then you are the one playing the fool.
Period

Singer Lil Kesh has reacted after Nigerians accused him and Olamide of promoting “Yahoo yahoo” and “blood money” in their collaborative new song, titled, “Logo benz”.

Lil Kesh has defended his song via a comment on Instagram. Kesh stated that they are not promoting what is not existence. Writing on a page, he wrote;

If money no enter I go do blood money o, talk your own. WE NOR DEY PROMOTE WETIN NOR DEY EXIST na awareness we dey do so spread your pata at owner’s risk because won ka pata o.

This is confirmation that
1.Blood money do not exist
2. Witchcraft do not exist
3. Juju do not exist
4. Die by fire prayer in churches do not exist

Please God and work for your money no mama or witchcraft in your village is blocking your success pastors are deceiving us for so long.

This nigeria we are living in, we caused problems to ourselves by believing in non sense

Op, where is the hope?

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Oh, valentine should not be celebrated as well because it was pagan tradition?

EMILO2STAY:
so much rant without substance, I think you have answered yourself and admitted Christmas's has nothing to do with Christ. so Mr freez is right that christmass is a pagan tradition and Christians should not partake in it. besides you have not answered my questions.

mteeeeew!

EMILO2STAY:
what has rice got to do with jesus?

what has pagan practices got to do with Jesus and christmas?

when it comes to religious obligations

do not take everything on earth to be religious obligation christmas is never one. Infact, celebrating christmas is a choice. If you like celebrate it, if you like dont celebrate it. In either case you have not affect anyone negatively by your decision remember do unto others as you want others to do unto you

the commandment of God

you people are just being childish here.
Have you not read in the bible paul saying not all things are lawful?
Do you think life is all about commandments and no free will?
You all must be joking.

is paramount and not the commandment of men.

you people are not realistic in your thoughts. Nobody gave commandment that christmas should be celebrated. Based on natural reasoning men saw that the celebration was good as it is one of a way to put it to reality that christ was born a child on this earth period, só dont come and full yourself here.

it is a fact that a pagan practice was disguised as a Christian doctrine by ancient Rome who did not want their ancient religion swept off by Christianity.

i ask again, what has this got to do with christ and christmas? Are only the romans celebrating christmas on this earth today?

were is the evidence that Jesus was born on the 25th of December.,were in the scriptures or even into the apocrypha was it commanded to celebrate the birth of Christ.

very foolish question!
Look, there are so many orphans who never knew the date of their birth yet they grow up to become celebrities and people who benefited from their good work keep celebrating the day the orphan was born even when they did not know the date.
Because if the orphan wasnt given birth to at all on a particular day where will they be?

Christmas is heavily celebrated worldwide with so many people expressing happiness for christ who brought eternal life and some kill joy christians are saying dont celebrate and be happy.

Rubbish

Whether daddy freeze likes it or not christmas must be celebrated world wide to honor christ for restoring salvation to mankind.

Infact everyday ought to be christmas is it because one day out of the 365 days was selected for the celebration?

EMILO2STAY:
was Jesus born on the 25th of December?, did Jesus command Christians to celebrate his birthday?.

did jesus command you to take rice a choice of food?

dollytino4real:
but it is among the bible or u tore ur own out

no,
Bible comprises of two different books, Torah(which is old testament) and the actual bible(new testament).

Talking about tearing, i did not tear and differenciate them, Christ did.

Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

The trees there refers to covenants before the new covenant.
The old covenant has been cut down already and tear apart.

Also

Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

The tearing was done a long time ago.

So understand that when you read your bible

dollytino4real:
pls I don't need to consult my pastor because am a full time tither go read Malachi 3: i-10

look for something else, not malachi.
Malachi isn't part of the new covenant.