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denisbid:
this is a sensitive but valid argument you raise here.

But if you say there is no rapture what that means christians are not leaving this sinful world.
Then what is the hope for us being believers?

the hope is resurrection, not rapture.
I mean, rapture was never mentioned anywhere in the bible.

I think this idea of rapture was invented by the roman catholic a very long time ago.
The funny thing is, the roman catholic did not write bible.
From researches, christianity and the bible has been in existence long before the roman catholic and rapture was never a doctrine, not even among early christians in the bible.

Now, you remember, the same roman catholic postulated the idea that the earth was flat and not spherical in shape and a lot of christians believed that error until Gallelio came and challenge the idea.

If someone does not come out someday to challenge the idea of rapture the world will continue to have that wrong mindset and not take their present life very seriously.

justdogitto:
My Alma mater !!!

Ekosodin
Hall4law basement
BDPA
Isiohor
Uwasota
Adolor

If you know you know

you mention hall4law basement, where faculty and ssq?

There is no balance.

The only way a christian student can serve God on campus is to ignore distractions called fellowships or churches and focus on his studies.

The importance of academics cannot be compared to religious jamburees, it is only black primitive africans that will put preferences on church over school this modern day, thats why they are backward

Sunnyshinylight:
By his grace, we will organise a teaching section for you and enlightening you about now and the future by the Holy Ghost

i asked you a question.

how did the kings of the earth have access to the holy city mentioned in revelation 21:24 if the city was not located on this earth?

You didnt bother to answer the question.
You didnt bother to even mention the revelation 21:24 and say your opinion about it, rather you were saying many things that didnt concern the question.

Is that how you are going to enlighten me?

Do you realise that scriptures are contextual and everything no matter how compressed they are, are self-explanatory?
And nothing written in the bible is hidden under the sun that should not come to light for everyone to see?

Ok, you have to understand whatever truth you are telling people has to be realistic.
You must come out constructively or you are not really teaching.

So i need a constructive answers from these simple questions.
1. What are figurative language? (before i start making comment on the other aspect, because i want to be very sure whether you understand all what you have been saying )
2. how did the kings of the earth have access to the holy city mentioned in revelation 21:24 ,did they use ladder to climb up to the city?

Study to show yourself approved ,
I want to study, please teach me

Sunnyshinylight:
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

before i comment on this let me ask you this question and i want a sincere answer from you.
Have you ever heard of figure of speech thought atleast in secondary school level English language, what are figure of speech to you?
And give me one example

YOU BETTER JUST SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING BECAUSE YOU ARE FAR AWAY FROM THE TRUTH WHO IS GOD ALMIGHTY, YOU ARE OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM, OPERATING FROM YOUR SENSES.

calm down! You dont have to be emotionally nasty. We are all learning this thing and thank God you quoted study to show yourself approved.

Please what are figure of speaches?
I want a straight answer from you, lets come from there

rhektor:
You want to drag me to your level of reasoning but I won't. Have you ever asked them before concluding that they don't know anything? If not then you should try get the meaning of stupidity.

mteeeeeeew! I thought i was talking to human being

Black man, your brain cannot process it when the situation is becoming complex.

C'mon get aaaart!! "

Insect

rhektor:
A simple question that you should have answered yes or no but you decided to beat around the bush.

let me remind you of your statement after asking if i asked them before?
you said ASSUMPTION IS THE LOWEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE.
that statement isnt a question but beating around the bush question. You dont expect direct answer from a beating around the bush question, idiot.

Did I call those men spirits? If spirit is what comes to your mind whenever you think about them, then it's your problem not mine

when i said those men are not spirit it was a figurative statement which simply means you can always have access to them anytime, that it is not really hard to meet them. Therefore i have no reason why i should not meet them myself one on one before coming out to say they dont know.
Go to school and learn what figurative language are, you will not, must you spiritualise everything?
Bushman!!!

alBHAGDADI:
It is not by how far but by how well. He has followers on social media doesn't mean he's preaching the truth.

oyedepo,adeboye and kumuyi have followers does not mean that they are teaching the truth. Afterall, more corrupt nigerians are members of their churches which shows that they have not been thought.

Muhammad the false prophet

now i know that you are an extremist. Can you prove that muhammad is false?
If a muslim tells you that jesus christ is false how will you receive it?
Do unto others as you want others to do to you.

alBHAGDADI:
This is the biggest heresy I've heard in a while.

atleast you have heard it, if you like take heed its not my business

alBHAGDADI:
A double edged sword cuts either both sides. As Christ's word cut the Pharisees who were false teachers in his days, so it does to Freeze a false teacher today. Except you want to tell me that the words of Jesus are to remain in his time and no more relevant today. Well, such can only come from a disciple of freeze, not from a Christian who follows Jesus.

How I'm I attacking freeze out of emotions? Stop false accusations.

for your info freeze has been preaching for a very long time now, i first heard about him on radio in 2015, this is 2019 now, he is still preaching and no two edged cutlass or whatever has cut him.
And guess what?
He is having more followers now than ever, many of which do not totally agree on everything he is saying and that is how its suppose to be.

As an educated person you dont have to agree totally on what pastors are saying. You have to read your bible for yourself and dig out the truth and be free.

alBHAGDADI:
Don't you get it, where do we go when we die with heaven inside of us?

1.you aint go no where, you will be resurrected back to this earth when you die.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

2.you will be resurrected with a new body, your soul will be given a new body,
1 cor15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body(having resemblance of your new parent)
Also
1 cor15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

3.you will be born back to this earth as a new born baby in the womb of another woman who is christian who continues in the christian faith.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

4. when you grow old and die,you will be given another body and be born again into this world and the cycle continues like that forever, no end, except along the line in your life you fail to continue in the christian faith by denyung christ and join other religion other than christianity which is not possible, because you have been groomed by your parents from childhood to be christians like them.

5. This trend has been like this since jesus resurrected 2000 years ago. That means, possibly you might be abraham, isaac or jacob who knows? and you have been living on this earth since 2000 years ago, only that you have been changing parents to this your current daddy and mummy.

6. By this, the eternal life adam and eve lost from the beginning is restored back to this earth though christ
1 cor 15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.

7. Certainly, the cycle continues forever and ever on this earth, no end.

americaninja1:
i love this, wen d bible say the kingdom is at hand, it doesn’t mean the kingdom is few years away, it simple means the kingdom is with you already, u holding it in ur hands u don’t nid to go miles again lookin for a lost kingdom, d kingdom is the result of ur day to day activities, Jesus came to bring the kingdom to us, he didn’t take it away from us. Nobody can help u build ur kingdom only u can build it. Ur kingdom is at hand. Don’t b fooled

you have said it all, God bless you sir.
Until nigerian christians know this, they will never exercise their right here on this earth

alBHAGDADI:
Christ's words transcends time and catches the likes of Daddy Freeze. His words are a double edged sword.

what is the correlation between double edge sword with time?
Keep deceiving yourself

Freeze is a bad tree baring bad fruits. Go to his page and say something contrary to their belief and watch how his horde will rain curse words on you. That's a glimpse of the kind of fruits he bares.

that is because you are going there to attack him out of your emotions rather than using your brain to argue concisely

alBHAGDADI:
So much heresy.

i am not suprise!
Jesus was accused of heresies for saying strange things to them.
It further tells me that truth is very strange to nigerians and lies are common among them.

Heaven is inside of us. What now happens when we die? Heaven dies too?

if you think your spirit dies with your body then you are not fit to be a christian

tolusaliu:
Thank you.But he didn't mention only Muslims

do you understand what i said?
Not just muslims but all non christians.
Yes muslims was not mentioned in the bible because there was nothing like islam as at the time scriptures were written, but there were other religions like judaism at that time.
And you know what scripture says?
Romans 1:17..the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith.
That is, from religion to religion : from whatever religion to christianity.
That means, if you have not converted someone from another religion into christianity then you have never won a soul.

ours is to preach the gospel and God's own is to move/operate

where did you people get this faulty idea from?
So,God will just come down and move and operate? Una do well!
But get this known, God can do everything does not mean that he will do anything.

There are some issues you let go as it is so that you never fall into sin thinking that you are doing the right thing.

the most inportant thing is, the right thing should be done

Even the people fighting for Jihad thought they are doing the Lord good or saying the truth.Please God don't reason the same way we reason here.And besides that ............

killing people in the name of jihad isnt right

Freeze case is not something you can contemplate or argue about because he thought he's doing the Lord good by speaking

no!
anyone have right to argue. You can always tackle freeze, but make sure your argument is valid, sound and guiniune, otherwise you will loose the argument even when you are right. Luke 12:58-59
And that is why oyedepo and adeboye cannot even start arguing with freeze, because they simply cannot put up a sound, valid and guinuine argument, so they loose.

but never knew he's judging already,and you can't take the place of God when it comes to judgment because in the process of judgment there is always what we call MERCY.

when a pastor continues to give you wrong information of scriptures why will you want to mercy him?
You want to mercy him at the expense of you being rightly informed?
Tell the pastor to quit teaching you jo, that is a fair judgement. Look, christ has given you the power to judge in that aspect.

Thank you and I end my advice here with you all.
PEACE

PEACE TO YOU

rhektor:
Have you asked them before?
Assumption is the lowest level of intelligence

forget it!
You dont know the person chatting with you right now.

Moreover, anyone can go to canaan land or redeem camp ground. Oyedepo and adeboye are always accessible if you want to see them, only that one need to be patient, these men aint spirits.

Sunnyshinylight:
Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


The Almighty God who is Spirit will open your understanding of the mystery of the gospel. You are coming, keep striving to attain the Holy Ghost. You've not been born, you are chosen to know but knowledge has puffed up your mind. Calm down seek to know the comforter which is the Lord God Almighty.

let me ask you a simple question.

Revelation 21:24 says And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Take not of the embolded, THE KINGS OF THE EARTH

Now the question is ,how did the kings of the earth have access to the holy city mentioned in revelation 21 if the city was not located on this earth?

Assuming the city was raptured and is located in heaven above the clouds, did these kings use ladder to climb up the clouds in order to present their gifts to the city?

Say something about this, i want to hear your opinion about this.

Revelation is like a summary of everything revealed to John the beloved .

But if your answer is that, the kings did not use ladder and the city is located right here on earth, certainly what the angel meant to say in Act 1:11
(..shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven ) has no correlation with rapture but is simply depicting the second coming of christ which is the moment anyone dies.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So, jesus is coming to judge us the very day we die, that isnt rapture.

Achorise:
you can sleep with any girl as long as you want to Marry her.

they are married already whats your own?

tolusaliu:
Please be careful and don't be misled.In this dispensation,God is particular about soul winning and not the way freeze is doing it.Please be in Spirit.
God bless you.

do you know what it takes to win a soul?
It involves for instance, converting a muslim to become a christian.
But nigerian pastors are not doing that.
They are busy preaching to sinning christians thinking they are winning souls for christ.

The bible recorded that paul disputed(argue), christ in the synague of the jews day and night.

Do you know what synague is?
It is the worship place for people who practice judaism (religion of the jews )not christianity.

The day these nigerian pastors will enter mosques and argue among muslims that Jesus is the christ, that is the day i will start taking them seriously that they are truly great men of God.

Not the one they will remain in their confort zone inside their multi million naira church building fellow christians will come and meet them there (not even muslims or people of other religion )and they will be making alter call thinking they are winning souls

alBHAGDADI:
Mathew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

when christ was saying this he didnt have daddy freeze on mind, he was talking to the pharisees of that time, so educate yourself.

If its by that, then all nigerian pastors are corrupt trees,
We all commit sin one way or the other we are all corrupt trees but christ in his mercy is not counting our iniquities

alBHAGDADI:
I ask you, what is God's kingdom?


You will fail woefully

what do you mean by that?
Gods kingdom is christ himself living in all christians, your pastors dont know that one.

How do i know that your pastors lack that knowledge?
They keep telling church members lies that heaven is coming in the future that they should strive and make heaven, meanwhile heaven is right inside them here on this earth, it was freely given to them they dont know.

Little wonder these church members will do anything like going to church, pay tithe and offering and becoming extremely religious in the face of the dwindling nigerian economy and poverty, thinking that they are doing all that to make heaven. As a result, pastors are going home with fat account every sunday while the people remain poor.

Na God go save 9ja from the hands of these pastors

Controversial Nollywood actor, Uche Madugwu, has lampooned his colleague, Omotola Jalade-Ekehinde for saying Nigeria is hellish under President Muhammadu Buhari led administration.

Uche, in a post on his Instagram page, Wednesday, asked the beautiful actress how many people she had assisted since she knew that the country under the President was hellish.

He wrote: “How many “instagram beggar” have you assisted financially since its obvious Nigeria is hellish?

“Omotola, anyone can come out to say “the country under President Buhari is hellish”, but as a CELEBRITY, with the WEALTH you have, in the past two years, how many BOREHOLE have you erected in your village? How many primary SCHOOLS in your Local Government Area have you renovated? How many hospitals in your village have you donated medical equipment or medicine to?

“I’m even going too far, Omotola, please how many of your fans who DM you for assistance on instagram on a daily basis have you helped financially?

“John F. Kennedy once said, ‘ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country’.

“As celebrities, let us not only focus on criticizing the government, it is this same SOCIETY that made us who we are today.

“If we can send our own kids to the BEST schools abroad,why can’t we give SCHOLARSHIP to the POOR masses in Nigeria.If we can buy our own child a CAR, why can’t we donate a bus for FREE transportation to primary school children in our community?”

alBHAGDADI:
Another fake pastors exposes himself.

If a man who pastors a church with nothing less than a thousand members could say this, then it means the members are all doomed.

How dare he say Daddy Freeze speaks truth? The same Daddy e that says Muslims don't need Jesus to make heaven even when Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one cometh to the Father except through me"?

Well, I'll call what the pastor said about freeze a compliment to another false prophet.

because freeze is wrong in one aspect does not mean that he is always wrong, dont generalise and condemn everything about his preaching because you are emotional

alBHAGDADI:
He's the one that wrote the Bible.

That's why he's able to say Muslims who deny the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ are also going to heaven.

Funny you.

i agree with you that freeze is wrong on that.
But every other thing else, freeze knows better than nigerian pastors.

If you meet these oyedepo and adeboye one on one and ask them simple biblical question about Gods kingdom according to jesus parables you will be so suprise to hear the blunder coming out of their mouth.

Daddy freeze understand bible than oyedepo and adeboye, simple .

But nigerians will never accept that truth just like the israelites did not accept that Jesus understood scriptures than their pharisees simply because jesus was not scribe or pharisee

Inducted into the nigerian book of records for brainwashing and taking advantage of primitive nigerian church members to become influencial ?

Go and try that with american or european book of records lets see whether you will be honored.

Foolish nigerians

Martinez39:
cancer, AIDS, Lukemia, AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome), Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome, Heart Disease such as Severe Coronary Artery Disease, Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever etc. are all beyond the capacity of man as at now and man is working tirelessly to find the cure. Since this is beyond our capacity, why can't god step in? Remember, millions are dying and suffering from these diseases.

the question is, why can't humans maintain simple preventive lifestyle of these diseases, should someone deliberately see fire and put his hand and then start calling God help help, simply because he has supernatural power?

What a daft thing to say! No offence intended. Who would protest if god cures cancer and other terminal illnesses? Only a daft, very wicked and psychopathic individual would protest such. So you think people will revolt if god does something about their terminal illnesses? Really?

you dont know humans, God who created them knows the kind of heart they have

Humans have rights but healing their diseases isn't a violation of human rights expect if they say that they don't want to be healed. This is ignorant and stupid. No offence intended.

nature demands that the natural ecosystem must be balanced, otherwise there will be chaos. Every sick person want to be healed, but even the sick knows that he must pay doctors for their service or there are no uses for medical science. Just like the way plants co-habits with herbivores to even scavengers we must all professionally co-habit and co-exist in this ecosystem, otherwise, if God didnt want it that way, then he will start healing the sick himself even cause herbivores to manufacture their food from sunlight without the help of plants.

Every human profession on earth is important just like every form of life is important.

If man invents telephone, Gmail and WhatsApp, who will patronise mail men? How will they make money and feed their family? I guess we should do away with phones, Gmail and WhatsApp so we can depend on the less efficient and relatively slow mail men?

If God starts healing, it would be a welcome development. Doctors will go and look for another job. So you mean god should let others suffer and die because doctors need to feed?

doctors are trying their best, you see all these diseases you mentioned earlier? cancer, AIDS, Lukemia, AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome), Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome, Heart Disease such as Severe Coronary Artery Disease, Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever etc. The cure for these diseases are not discovered today does not mean that they will not be discovered in the future.

GreatResearcher:
So God doesnt come in when human error is involves right? I've seen a car accident were the driver was sleeping people didn't die. They said God intervend but now I understand that it wasnt God. God doesnt involves in human error.

sometimes people can be lucky anyway, but that does not mean it was God

Martinez39:
Would it not be moral for an all powerful being to step in an take responsibility?

it will be very immoral for him to take over the very responsibily he created humans for, except in a situation where the problem is beyond the capacity of humans to handle.

What if humans begins to protest, baba God, you have taken my responsibility in the scheme of things?

Dont you think humans have right too?

If God begins to heal all the sick people who will then patronize medical doctors?
How will they make money and feed their family after studying for six years?

Funaki:
Replenish in that vaerse is not to heal. It is used in other places in the original hebrew text. It means to fill.

Strong's #4390: male' (pronounced maw-lay')

or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):--accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly.

It was used in:

Genesis 1:22: "them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl"
when God created the animals

Genesis 6:11: "before God, and the earth was filled with violence."
Genesis 6:13: "before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold,"
during Noah's time and men were wicked

Genesis 25:24: "And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb."
Genesis 26:15: "his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth."
Rebekah and Isaac

It doesn't mean to heal as you implied

whats the product of violence?
Is it not destruction, and sometimes people will sustain injury?
If injury is sustained what next, is it not hospital.
When doctors treat injury are they not healing.

Your mind have to be very dynamic when you read bible.

Replenishing the earth implies repair the earth, heal the earth.
Ofcourse, every human who sustain injury through violence are part of the earth so what are we talking?

GreatResearcher:
don't u think it was necessary for him to come in during the Epothian air crased?

it was not necessary!
You dont expect spiritual intervention on human errors.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Boeing 737 max was human error

IAmSabrina:
I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place

what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves?

Then why did he create humans in the first place if not for them to help eradicate evil?