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Anas09:
So you have never come across where we are warned against fornication in the Bible?

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Corinthians:7:2

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts:15:20

you dont know what fornication means according to these scriptures you quoted.

Fornication can never be the same thing as not paying pride price ,there is no way you can explain it that it will correlate

You can hail yourself or tell that your friend to pad you on the back when you're done twisting the Word to suit you.

you just twisted scriptures, it shows you dont know the meaning of fornication

One of these you'd say Homosexuality is accepted and approved by God.

its not me that said so.
I cant be God himself to say that.

My own is, i am not in position to condemn homosexuals if God is not raining fire and brimstone on them this modern day.

Anas09:
I think your problem is comprehension. Read what i posted and what the dictionary says

your definition that sexuality means as a state of being. A condition. Your habits or desires with regards to sex. e.g for example, homo, lesbians, pedophiles, Necrophiliacs. ....
did not include the other meaning of sexuality, one of which is sexual activity.

That is how i comprehend it

somehow:
Yes, I have seen where a man was told to pay brideprice later by the PIL. What is needed is their approval to let you have their daughter. Once that is done, you're justified in God's sight. It's in the holy book.

what if they did not approve unless the condition is met, and the girl says i cant wait anymore because time is not on my side, and she follows her heart againt the wish of her parents?

Do you realise that some of our parents especially in africa are not educated enough to understand the consequence of some of the decisions they take, and when the children are educated enough to understand somethings their parents could not understand it will be better they take the right decision for themselves and ignore the faulty decisions of their uneducated parents ?

Anas09:
Your explanation of Sexuality here means you don't know what it means. Sexuality has nothing to do with intercouse or pre-intimacy.
Sexuality is a state of being. A condition. Your habits or desires with regards to sex. e.g for example, homo, lesbians, pedophiles, Necrophiliacs, and those who love to have sex with animals, and those who prefer masturbation only.

the last time i checked this is what my dictionary gave me.

SEXUALITY
: the quality or state of being sexual:
a : the condition of having sex
b : sexual activity
c : expression of sexual receptivity or interest especially when excessive.

How do you explain b above?

Anas09:
If you ask a woman to be your wife, you take your parents to her family and a token is exchanged witnessed by your family and hers, if it's accepted, marriage has been covenanted.

In the absence of this, if you go into her sexually, you have committed fornication.

Wedding is not marriage.

prove this from scriptures i will agree with you that paying bride price and inviting family is a must before one can say they are husband and wife .

When Adam called Eve the flesh of my flesh and the bone of my bone who were their parents?

Anas09:
I asked if you were a Christian, you said of course, but here you are calling the laws of God ridiculous. Hmmm.

Your Speech is betraying you big time.

did you quote it from scriptures to acertain it was the laws of God?

No you did not

somehow:
NO!

Unless a brideprice has been paid for the parents have handed her over to you without brideprice.

So,what if the couple cannot afford the bride price and ceremony, marriage will be suspended till anytime they can afford it?

That is ridiculous tradition

Our vice president is wrong!

It is not adeboyes prayer that saved him

somehow:
Everything you do that is not within sex between married couple is a sin against God,

true

there is no way you can prove otherwise, it not fornication and adultry won't be a sin.

i am not trying to prove otherwise

Intercourse, masturbation and kissing are sexual activities and if done outside marriage is a sin. I'm not a saint, but that won't mean I should turn the truth upside down.

you are on point!

But all i am saying is, every form of committed relationships(including bf and gf) is marriage already, so long the people involved are 18+.
So sexual activity within married people is right, bf and gf are married people so long they are committed to the relationship

Non of them but daddy freeze.

They are all contradicting themselves. Only daddy freeze is right

MrNipplesLover:
problem with some of these preachers in this thread is that they wanna look like God in the eyes of the OP.


someone is feeling hot, she's not married yet, so what should she do?

make the pastors preaching since morning should answer the question.

the truth is, they have ultered what was suppose to be from the beginning by their traditional and religious beliefs.

When someone is already 18+ why treating him or her like a child. Why are they preventing people from freely expressing their sexual desires saying until they are wedded?

Bible says whoever finds a wife finds a good thing, not whoever weds a wife wedded a good thing.

somehow:
All these are sexual activities you claimed God is not interested in. David committed adultry before covering the woman. Lust after her.

Bible verses spoke against sexual immorarities which involves sexual activities of individuals.

So stop spreading heresy.

it is better you point where you did not understand o.
When i said sexuality i wasnt referring sins people commit like fornication and adultery.
I was referring to what people do during sex such as kissing, masturbation, intercourse.

We all know that if anyone commit adultery he has attracted punishment from God.

But husband and wife kissing and romancing? God is not interested.
Even me as a human if i see a man kissing his wife i will pretend as if i did not see and walk away, i am not interested. how much more God?
Do you think God is there to pognose on people matter?

somehow:
Why was sodom and gomorah destroyed?

sexuality that has to do with gay and lesbians?
Thats not what we were talking about.
We were talking about masturbation.

And moreover, how many gay and lesbians today has God rain fire and brimstone on them from heaven?

So you see, what God will do in time past he will not do them today.

Why was David punished?

he killed someone and took his wife which was wrong, it has nothing to do with his sexuality

Anas09:
But of course. For me to accept his proposal and begin marriage preparation, i must trust him nah.
So, i can have sex with him abi?

it is still subjected to your choice. If you like dont have sex until you are wedded, it will be wrong for the guy to make you do otherwise beyond your wish.
But if some other girls are convinced enough to have sex with their spouse please dont condemn them.

So, it depends on what i want, not what He who instituted marriage says?

exactly!
A lot of us dont understand that we have the power and rights to decide for ourselves. The only institution God has approved is your heart

Do you realize that this Op asked this question from the Christian perspective not nature?

christianity was not even practiced in the old testament when God was endorsing relationships

Wait, you stimulate yourself while asleep?

i dont no, it can happen unconsciously

And, what makes you think everyone does it? I don't do it, so pls speak for yourself and stop generalizing.

sooner or later, you will realise that.

You don't know what it is, but satan knows, that is why he makes people commit fornication freely.

my guy, satan na small small boy

f you know what happens in the spirit realm when you fuse your soul with another's. You become Distinguishably One. Distinguishable, but not divisible. And these two shall become One flesh You inherit whatever is the lot of the other. If he is cursed, you become cursed, if she is blessed, you become blessed.

that is not issue at all.
when you love yourselves there are no situation you two cannot overcome together. All you need is the will.
You know what scriptures says?
Perfect love cast out fears

Anas09:
Not Asexuality, that was a miss type. i meant to type Sexuality.

ok

Anas09:
Pls answer me yes or no.

Are you a Christian?

ofcourse yes, i am a christian.
I understand that christianity is not on earth to change the system of things but to change the person. Because when the person is changed the system of things will be changed as well.
But if our target is to control and change the system of things and ignore the person, we will miss the point.

Wedding is a system of things that are generally accepted. Personally i love weddings, but wedding alone does not guarantee a successful marriage, a changed couple do.

If only we are changed enough to see every relationships(be it bf and gf or whatever) as marriage, marital issues in christianity will be reduced to the minimum.

But if a christian man says i will not be faith until i pay her bride price or wed the girl, or the girl says i will not be faithful to the guy afterall he is yet to wed me or pay my bride price. Both of them are just being foolish.

Anas09:
Pls help me with the Scriptures.

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

There was no specification saying whosever a wedded man(on quote) looketh on a woman. Infact it was a general statement which applies to both married and unmarried men

Anas09:
You said 'In Bible days'. Meaning it no longer apply together?

the definition of adultery in todays church wasnt so from the beginning. Today church restrict adultery to wedded people having sex outside their marital homes but it goes beyond that before God.

When you are in a committed relationship and you have sex with someone else other than your spouse we call it cheating today, but it was also adultery in bible days, because God takes every every relationships seriously (be it wedded or non wedded).

The moment the both man and woman profess love for one another its a promise, it was like a covenant

Anas09:
I hope you know that 'Asexuality' is not the same thing as sexual act?

They mean different things

hmmm!
Asexuality

You are right anyway

somehow:
And what brought "sexuality" into this article? OP didn't say s(h)e's gay, lesbian or whatever na

who is mentioning gay and lesbian?
do you think sexuality is all about gay or lesbian?

Definition of sexuality (meriam webster dictionary)

the sexual habits, activites and desires of a person.

So, it is not restricted to gay and lesbianism alone

somehow:
Misleading. God is interested in your sexual life.

i did not say sexual life, i said sexuality. They are two different things

Anas09:
So as a Christian if a man proposes to me and i know we shall get married because the arrangement is on going i can have sex with him?

you can do that based on trust. Not with a guy you know is not trust worthy.
Marriage is based on trust and not on wedding ceremonies.

So, because animals Masturbate (What did i just read?).

Pls what is Masturbation and how does animals do it? And, if animals do this, we shd also do? Why did God give us Wills, Volition, Wisdom Free Choice which He didn't give to animals?

you have the free will not to do it, but dont condemn those who are still doing it, it is natural thats what i am saying.

You wld rather degrade to an animal or upgrade and animal to you if you can?

whether you like it or not, the moment you find yourself stimulating your genitals at any point(whether you are sleeping or conscious) you have masturbated. Everyone do it

Anas09:
So it's not a sin to have sex with an unwedded partner? Is your God by any means Jesus of Nazareth?

in summary, anything you do that has negative impact on you and other people is sin.
I still dont get it, how does a couple not wedded and having sex becomes a negative impact the couple themselves and other people?
Do you realize that Isaac and rebecah did not wed but it was recorded that isaac to her in the moment he saw her and she became his wife?

Anas09:
Why are you opening your big teeth if what you're saying is true?

it is natural to be excited when it comes to sexuality

Does thou shall not commit adultery whether physically or by looking to lust in your heart in your Bible? Do you even use a Bible?

adultery in bible days was cheating on your spouse whether you people are wedded or not, check your bible

Old man

missmishel:
Really got my attention. God is interested?

he is not!
seriously, there are no scriptures having God teaching any of his creation how to be sexually involved, we all learn that by our natural attraction to the same species or kind, and detate by ourselves how to go about it

OtemAtum:
It is in the book of TRUTH. https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

why did you choose to use a book from the bible or Torah to invent that, i mean, the quran is there.
You can even pick some textbooks and get your truth and leave the bible alone

The phrase pre-marital sex is confusing people.
There is nothing like pre-marital sex in reality, why will you have sex when you are not ready to be committed in a relationship in the first place?
Anyone who has identified and take a partner should take him or her very seriously like marriage, there is no other time for marriage but that moment the relationship commences.

As for masturbation, lets seperate religion from nature and reality we all have our decisions to take when it comes to sexuality, God is not interested.
it has been proven by enthomologists that even insects masturbate which is a characteristics of the animal kingdom, are humans not higher animals too?
Why is religion fighting God and nature?

Masturbation should be temporary, Having a partner(wedded or not )should be permanent

How does this much attendance translate to the Economy?

Even countries that people dont go to church at all are better than Nigeria.

Is this bishop seeing road at all?

jesusjnr:
Yes, in truth the body of Christ is in heaven in it's full compliment, that's the head, neck, hands, legs, every thing else that made up His physical body is in heaven, and nothing of it is left on Earth, since Jesus ascended to heaven with His whole body.

So any doctrine that suggests the otherwise that the body of Christ was yet on Earth is not of God, and should be treated as such.

For if the body of Christ was on Earth, the Spirit of God would never have left heaven to come to the Earth and remained here up till now. For He is only here in person because the body of Christ is with the Father in heaven.

Jesus said:

John 16:7 (KJV)

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

So the body of Christ needed to be in heaven for the Spirit of God to be on the Earth.

For more explanation on this topic, you can visit the link provided below.

https://www.nairaland.com/4808209/many-mistakes-apostle-pauls-teachings/3#74498494

*Update:

Paul said:

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:1

T H I E F.

A christian is anyone born from a christian home or is converted to other religions into christianity and nothing more

XxSabrinaxX:
You've said nothing whatsoever to suggest atheism is a religion
Give up

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