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zimbolaa:
This is a very wrong submission and a dangerous one from the pit of hell too. When you say something like this, you completely rule out the place of work in salvation.

what works are you talking about?
Miracles?
I did not rule out miracles o, miracles do exist for sure, but not delivering evil spirits from someone who already have the holy spirit.
I just quoted scriptures saying everyone who believe in christ have the holy spirit.
Everyone seen going to church are christians, they have believed, the are not satan.
Satan has believed does not mean that humans who believe may also be satan there is no such possibility going by the scripture i gave you in 1 john 4:2
Except the scripture is lying .

A Christian who has confessed can be used by the devil. A typical case is that of Ananias and Saphira.

ofcourse yes!
Christians can be used by the devil to do wrong just like anyone else, but that doesnt mean they are possessed by evil spirits where you will now go and deliver them.
If you study Ananias and Saphira very well, they were purnished for their wrong doing. Not that they were delivered from demons as pastors today are doing to ignorant christians

One question you haven't answered still. Is everyone found in the Church a Christian?

i have told they all have believed in christ therefore they are all christians.
They were redeemed ! They have the holy spirit embedded in them given to them freely and they dont know, they are confessing rubbish.

And though there are ignorant ones among them who still commit sin but they were saved already. There were never possessed in the first place.
So any pastor conducting deliverance are working against the will of God, perhaps they are ignorant of scriptures too.

Pastors were suppose to educate these people of their rights in Christ rather than declaring them having demons which they ignorantly accepted.

XxSabrinaxX:
Keyword here is disbelief, which is the stark opposite of belief. Disbelief means "lack" of belief.

we are still saying the same thing

Religion exists because people attribute events of the universe to a deity. Belief in a deity is the foundation of religion

that foundation is the origin of the event, it is therefore the true nature of religion, not the events attached to it. Religion comes from the mind, it is therefore the mind and nothing else, everything else you see are mere products of the mind

Atheists lack belief in any god, and therefore aren't subscribed to any religion acknowledging a deity
Your logic is flawed.
Give up

you are just coming you didnt see my arguments at all

LordReed:
First off, there is no belief of the existence or nonexistence of any sort of gods in my heart.

good!
In that case, you cannot say anything categorically whether God exist or not.
But i can saying everything categorically going by the proof below

I am waiting for you theists to prove your brand of god exists

In the bible, we read that christ predicted that christianity was going to become the largest religion in the world .matthew 13:31-32.He made this statement approximately 2000 years ago even before christianity was estabished on earth.

Now google it, which religion is the largest today in the world? You will see its christianity and nothing else. Which means, what he predicted 1000 years ago has come to pass today. Is that not a miracle?

If it is a miracle, certainly that is a proof that all that was written in the bible are true and by extension, a proof that God exist.

Try all you can, you cant beat that

which so far all you have is the words of an ancient book of mythologies.

from what i have presented above the mythology still goes on even in this age of technology, google can testify to that.

The one you can interpret one way in the morning and by evening you have done a 180 on it.

c'mon, not this time!
You didnt meet the right people who could have explained this.

Religion involves worship.

it goes beyond worship,it start with your belief.
You cant worship what you do not believe exist.

Also, your attempt to tackle theists all the time without doing your own research comes from your heart and desires too, it is a away of worship to you.
You worship your position that God do not exist to the extent of tackling ignorant christians who cannot give you reasonable answers as to ,why they worship God

You worship your magic sky daddy, I worship nothing =

but you believe something.
I thought you will make the mistake to dispute that English dictionary did not define religion as your belief.
Incase you didnt see one of the definition of merriam webster online :

RELIGION
: an interest,A BELIEF, or an activity that is very important to a person or group.

Since atheism is group, what else do you want to know?

Now go and reconnect your brain with proper logic.

you should be the one to quickly do that, because assuming you have a case concerning this in a court of law, what you will hear is religion and it equivalent and you will be so confused

zimbolaa:
Does confession and belief alone rid one of demon possession? Haven't you heard that the devil too believes and trembles?

the devil in question here are not humans.
God is not interested in saving the devil, he is interested in saving humans, so whether the devil believe or not it does not change anything.

If total salvation is gained by belief and confession alone then, why go through the stress of delivering non-christians (as you call them)?

who is saying you should go and deliver non christians?
If they come to you saying they are possessed and you can deliver no wahalla.
But dont come and say you are delivering christs.

It would've been easier for Christ and the apostles to ask them to believe and then, they would be automatically free. Don't you think so?

it seems you did not understand the scripture i quoted.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

That simply means that it takes Gods spirit for anyone to accept christ, which means if anyone is without Gods there is no way he can accept christ .

Then why should any christian ask such people to believe in order to get them delivered?

Just let them be

LordReed:
LMFAO! Why are you desperate to class atheism as a religion? Why not check the same dictionary that gave you a definition for religion and find out if atheism is a religion? LoL

the dictionary says atheism means the disbelief in the existence of deity, not religion.

Now take note, deity and religion aint the same thing.
Deity simply means a god or goddess, why religion describes that thing that is in your heart, what you believe

Do you see it now?

So whether you like it or not you are into religion you cant escape it, dont deceive yourself

zimbolaa:
What of those from whom evil spirits were cast out in Acts of the apostle?

they were never christians, read the bible again.

If someone is possesed, how does coming to church make him a christian (if i am to borrow your line of argument)?

first of all, you must know who a christian is.

A christian is anyone who has believed that Jesus is the Christ either by him being brought up by his parents to believe that way or he was converted to believe in Christ, having believing in other religions previously.

Jesus says i am the way the truth and the life..
That means muhammed is not the way.
Abraham who founded judaism is not the way.

So, anyone who believes in christ whether he goes to church or not he is already in the way of eternal life through christ.

Now, you will agree with me that most of these people who are being delivered from fowl spirits or whatever, in churches today, came from other denominations yet the same christianity?

Therefore they are all christians.

Except those ones who are muslims or from other religions other than christianity. These are the ones that there is possibility that they may be possessed.

Why, because ,everyone that have confessed Christ have the spirit of God and not any possessed spirit.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Except the bible is lying, what pastors are doing today called deliverance can never be true.

Its as simple as that

LordReed:
LMFAO! See interpretation!

So if at any point any religion overtakes Christianity in population then that means it is true?

whether that will happen in the future or not, the point is, Christ said it and it came to pass, that is enough evidence.

BTW Atheism is not a religion so don't class it as one.

that one na your own be that.

Religion is defined in dictionary as having believe in something.
Since you atheists believed that God do not exist that is something

Omudia11:
Your arrogant ignorance will surely see to your demise.

If you don't know something, seek knowledge so that you can learn.

learn what?

All your mates in developed nations are thinking of how to travel to space and make researches you are here talking about spirit husband and wife.

You must be a very big joke

Funkybabee:
lols so uneducated people fly to Scoan for spiritual husband deliverance.. pele u need to learn alot

i can prove to you that all those white men are all touts in the streets of south africa and london, they never saw education .

Do you think all white men you see speaking English are educated?

Oyo for you

Omudia11:
How many of those developed countries have you been to ? Keep saying what you don't know. Go on YouTube and see Americans and Europeans talking about spirit spouses and give yourself a brain.

which u tube?

Ok, bring one link lets whether they are americans or nigerians

Brigges:
The fact that you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Before the principles behind wireless technology were discovered by a scientist, people would have called you an idiot if you told them it was possible. So it is with certain things of the spirit, that you haven't gotten to a level where your eyes are opened to understand them doesn't mean that they are not real

ok, lets wait until people stop calling those who believes in the existence of spirit wife and husband idiot because there is prove that they actually exist.

But for now, there are no people believing in such achaik things anymore in developed countries because people who used to believe they exist were called idiots until they all realized there were no proofs and changed their beliefs .

It is only in africa we still have such beliefs

LordReed:
Neither is yours. If we are going by how old a religion is then Hindus have you beat by thousands of years.

true,
Its not by how old the religion is.
It is by how the religion is affecting current day reality.

Christ in the bible predicted that chrisianity was going to become the largest religion on earth. Matthew 13:32-32

he made the statement even before christianity was established and we have read it, it was written approximately two thousand years ago.

Now google it.
Which religion is the largest today, you will find out its christianity.

Islam came much later but did it attend this status?
The answer is no.
Atheism came much more later but it didnt near, infact it is degrading day by day.

So, it is not by how long the religion has existed.

gypsey:
Absolutely! i have told them to send all that spiritual wives my way, i can't wait to marry all of them. Atleast they will not be wearing fake hairs, fake eyelashes, make ups and wigs like African women.

Beautiful innocent girls like that were declared having mammy or witchcraft spirit and the men who wanted to marry them ran away.

Na God go forgive these pastors

zimbolaa:
Did Jesus conduct deliverance for people in the Bible?

not christians, there were no christians before Jesus was crucified, why are your pastors attacking christians in churches with deliverance?
Cant they go and bring muslims who could possibly have evil spirit?
Even muslims today dont have evil spirit how much more christians .

Did he cast out demons out of people? If Jesus had not conducted deliverance for Mary Magdalene, do you think she would have functioned effectively as a Christian? Lk 8:2. Please read your Bible properly.

i say these people were never christians as at that time, understand the difference of times.

As a matter of fact all those things happened two thousand your go.
Imagine

Boyooosa:
But do you believe that jinns and evil spirits do exist?

not this modern day again. Whatever misfortune anyone experience today isnt caused by any evil spirit. For instance,a child who was never sent to school will surely come across challenges. These challenges which may include poverty and ignorance are never caused by evil spirit.
Everyone who go to church to seek for deliverance have one or two areas of their carrier they are ignorant of, and these pastors will never consider that. They will make the person to believe that demons are the cause.

Living Faith and the likes are solely attended by illiterates too?

ofcourse yes, or do you have any prove that they are not ignorant?
Do you know what it means to be educated, do you think it is by going to the kind of schools we have here in africa?
UI, Unilag, uniben, OAU etc.
These are the possible schools your winners chapel can afford to reach.
As far the international community is concern these are sub-standard schools (google webometric ranking)

Go and check out the numbers of Professors attending Synagogue in Lagos.

or african traditional professors
You do well.

Let them travel out with their research work whether they will hold any ground?

Spiritual things go beyond the way you assess it and it gets worsen when you dont believe in it.

keep believing rubbish thinking they are spiritual things good for you

Even developed country with better economy are so humble. They will never say they achieve what they have achieved through spiritual things.
But you africans that have spiritual things to believe look at where you are in terms of economy, technology and development
Very ridiculous

Martinez19:
Poor reasoning. Millions of people in America believe that top world leaders and top rich men are reptilians from another galaxy. If that's not true, no one would have believed it or hear something about it.

millions of people in America?

Even a two year child in africa who has never gone to America before will never believe that unrealist thought of yours.

Anyway, whatever you think christianity and God existence remains valid thats why you see religious people today.
The idea that top leaders and rich men are reptilians or amphibians or whatever are from another galaxy isnt valid argument

EternalBeing:
My dear, the greatest mistake anyone can make is to give up on trying to become a better being. We all relentlessly and endlessly strive to improve and become better financially, educationally, mentally, physically and materially. Why do some get easily deceived to senselessly give up on improving morally/spiritually? The greatest mistake anyone could make is to give up on striving for Holiness and to permanently surrender to weakness, sin or satan.

very true!
That means we must keep trying all the time and not waiting until it is a new year right?

CodeTemplar:
just the same way wireless technology do not exist and are imaginations of our mind.

it does not follow, we all understand the principles behind wireless technology that they are based on sound waves.

But this your spiritual wives and husband fictions have no root in the bible, neither are they seen existing among anyone who has ever delivered ín churches this modern day.

All those deliverance you do in church are all arranged we have done it before.

They are geared at attracting gullible people to these churches.

Have you ever asked yourself how nany educated people who truly went to school are found going to such churches?

Stupid anual resolutionists will never agree that it does not take a new year to make a brand new start

Spiritual wives and husbands do not exist, they are all fictions

Christianity and other religions worshipping God are the proves that God exist.

If God truly do not exist no one today will hear about christianity anymore after all the persecutions and killings of christians in the past

alBHAGDADI:
You know nothing Jon Snow.

Without the Holy Spirit you can't understand the word of God which is spirit. So only someone with the spirit of God can understand the spirit word cos a flesh or natural man can't.

John 6:63-70 King James Version (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is when you have the spirit of God that you will be able to understand the Bible because that spirit will teach you.

John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You think the Bible is like biology or chemistry books which any man can understand just like that? Look at that Ethiopian Eunuch who read the old testament but couldn't understand what he was reading. It took a spirit-filled Philip to explain it to him.

You say I misunderstood you on Peter and the verse you quoted. No, I didn't. You are only changing lane now because I have busted you. Or what was the essence of the verse about Peter and the church which you quoted?

You keep saying an individual is a church on his own and that God doesn't live in buildings built by humans, but you can't explain why Paul wrote to Timothy stating that the house of God is the church which is the gathering of Christians.


1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The above verse doesn't say the church is an individual. It is saying that the church is the house of God where we must ALL behave ourselves in a certain way.

I have tackled you with scriptures upon scriptures. All you have done so far is just regurgitate the lies you've been deceived with.

in that case, all pastors in nigeria have lacked the spirit of God to understand bible.

Simple

Common what is God's kingdom they dont know the answer

By extension of their misunderstanding of scriptures, nigerian christians are corrupt people yes or no

alBHAGDADI:
Please go and get the Holy Spirit before you quote scriptures otherwise you will continue quoting in error.

this is a complete big error you people are making. The holy spirit does not inspire one to understand written contents, you have to deliberately read them for yourself they are all there, nothing is hidden. The biggest problem africans have today is, when they cannot read and understand and some other people who understand tells them this is how it is, they will say that person does not ave the holy spirit, meanwhile they who claim they have holy spirit cannot even live rightly according to the bible.
Look at african christians today, compare them with foreign christians today and judge for yourself who are living better than who?

Jesus never said he was going to build his church on Peter. He was simply saying he would build his church on himself i.e on Jesus.
Peter is not the Rock. Peter is a STONE as Jesus himself called him in the verse below.

John 1:42 KJV
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.


Now if Peter is not the Rock, who then is the Rock whom Jesus said he would build his Church on? That Rock is Jesus Christ himself who has always been the Rock the people of God relied on right from the old testament.

1 Corinthians 10:4 (KJV)
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Psalm 18:2 KJV
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower


Peter was a stone. Misconstruing Mathew 16:18 to mean he is the Rock is the same as holding on to Catholic propaganda. That is why they believe Peter was the first pope and have since been having different Pope's whom they call father even when Jesus says to call no one our father.

I think I'm done schooling your ignorance.

i never say christ build the church on peter only by quoting matthew 16: 18 you misunderstood me.

When you misunderstand people it does not mean you have holy spirit

Try to get what i was driving at before you conclude.

I told you that if it was only one person that believed in christ and was saved at the time christ resurrected it will have still be ok by God.

God did not need crowd to get his will done on earth.

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over ONE SINNER that repenteth.

However, since there were many people who were saved it is still ok.

But that doesnt mean until there are many people before one can say we have church.

One person alone is church before God. That means, if you like gather with the other crowd of christian if you dont like the crowd(especially when they fraudulent like nigerian churches) you are good to go by staying on your own without the fellowship.

God is not interested in physical gathering or buildings gathering people, all he is interested is your faith.

To this light, THE CHURCH christ built is not gathering but the people themselves.
THE HOUSE OF GOD is not any building called church, God dont live in houses built by men.

All these while you were mentioning house of God this or that i was just laughing at your ignorance

alBHAGDADI:
@bold Are you for real?

You opened this thread acting as if you know what the kingdom of God is, whereas you don't know anything about it. Here you are saying the Church lives inside of every individual, so they don't need church buildings. It is now quite clear that you don't understand the Bible.

We individuals are not the church even though we carry the spirit of God in us. An individual cannot make a church. It is the gathering of true Christians that makes a church. When they pick a building to gather, that building becomes the house of God. As seen in the verse below, we are to behave ourselves in the house of God which is the church. It doesn't say we are to behave ourselves inside ourselves because each of us is the church.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.


I'll advice you closed down this thread so as to stop embarrassing yourself further.

like christ embarrassed himself when he said

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Tell me something,

How many building did christ build?

You were right saying a church does not comprise one individual which was the situation after christ resurrected, but i can tell you that if it was only person in the whole world who believed in christ as at the time christ resurrected that one person would have been the church Jesus established on earth

alBHAGDADI:
You want a scripture that shows that the kingdom of God is not fully established on earth, right? The below passage in the Lord's prayer shows that God's will is not totally done on earth just as it is in heaven where it is totally done. That's why Jesus told us to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. Only when it is fully done can we say the kingdom of God has fully been established.

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Now, what is the will of God which is not done totally on earth?

John 6:40 (KJV)
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The will of God is for everyone to believe Jesus Christ so as to have everlasting life. People who are true Christians believe in Jesus Christ, but many people in this world don't. Why? Because Satan who is the god of this world has blinded them from doing the will of the father. How then can you say the kingdom of God is fully established on earth when the Bible calls Satan the god of this world? Until he is locked up, he remains the god of this world trying to hinder God's will by blinding people from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

yes,it was true that christ thought his disciples to pray that the will of God should be done on earth,that was before he was crucified. The will of God he was referring to was his death and resurrection . Always be mindful of the time differences.

The time before he was crucified when he had his disciples following him ,there was no salvation at that time therefore the will of God was not established on earth thats why he asked them to pray that way. But the moment christ was crucified and he resurrected the will God at that point was established.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless NOT MY WILL, but thine, be done.

So, i can say categorically that Gods kingdom was established on this earth a long time ago, since 2000 years ago when christ resurrected.

Your pastors will never allow you people know this truth and be free

alBHAGDADI:
@paxonel

This guy has done justice to the subject. I don't need to waste my time pandering to your hate for everything called pastor.

the guy did not relate it to reality. Even if pastors are mentioning Gods kingdom in their churches because they saw Christ preaching it in the bible, they will never relate it to reality for church members to understand what christ was saying in his parables because they are scared that if church members understand, they will stop coming to church to pay tithe and offering and they(pastors)will be broke.

Because knowing that the kingdom of God is in you implies that you carry the church in you therefore you dont need church building and the tithe and offering anymore for you to be justified. And perhaps, that is why you didnt know the answer from the onset when i was asking

To even think you said pastors are hiding this obvious truth from their church members is what makes me laugh.

If fake pastors aren't preaching this to their congregation, did they also burn all bibles to prevent the people from seeing God's words about his kingdom?

they know there is nothing they can do to prevent them from the kingdom. All they do is to hide this truth from them and keep them engaged in church and make money from their ignorance right inside the church, and the government cannot protect them because they were the ones who ignorantly carried themselves to church to be scammed

Blame the gullible people who have failed to study their Bible to show themselves approved, not the scammer pastor who is just doing is yahoo business. His own punishment will come soon when he expects not.

are students to be blamed for the failure of the teacher to teach them what they should know?

Remember you said these church members are babes, they are like children.

When you take your two years old child to school and all you here him saying is 1+1=3 ,who is to blame, is it not the teacher

Scammer teacher

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



[color=silver].[/color] ECCLESIASTES 8:2-5.

2. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment,
and that in regard of the Oath of God.
3. Be not hasty to go out of his sight:
stand not in an evil thing;
for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him.
4. Where the word of a King is,
there is Power:
and who may say unto him,

"WHAT DOEST THOU?"

5. Whoso keepeth the commandment
shall feel no evil thing:
and a wise man's heart discerneth
both time and judgment.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this the Son of David?"

24. But when the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"THIS FELLOW DOTH NOT
CAST OUT DEVILS,
BUT BY BEELZEBUB
THE PRINCE OF THE DEVILS."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?"
27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils,
by whom do your children cast them out?
therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one enter into
a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
and then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me is against me;
and he that gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.’

32. "And whosoever speaketh a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 1:14-15.

14. Now after that John
was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching The Gospel
of The Kingdom of God,
15. And saying,

"The time is fulfilled,
and The Kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye,
and believe The Gospel."

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WHEREVER GOD’S AUTHORITY IS UNDISPUTED.

It is an insult to the intelligence of Nigerian Pastors to claim that none of them could possibly know this simple Fact.


I DOUBT THAT ANYONE SO ARROGANT AS TO PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT EVERY PASTOR IN NIGERIA CAN POSSIBLY KNOW ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.



THAT IS AN UNFORTUNATE AND INCONVENIENT TRUTH- BUT IT TELLS US NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

Perhaps he will get to the point… sometime….?

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the Child of Hell than yourselves."

ALL PASTORS ARE SCAMMERS, BECAUSE THEY SET THEMSELVES UP AS RABBIS AND MASTERS OVER THE CHURCH.

Which Lord Yeshua explicitly forbade.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he said also
unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,
which had a steward;
and the same
was accused unto him
that he had wasted
his goods.
2. "And he called him,
and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT
THAT I HEAR THIS
OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT
OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE
NO LONGER STEWARD.'

3. "Then the steward said
within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD
TAKETH AWAY FROM ME
THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG;
TO BEG
I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED
WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM
PUT OUT OF
THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME
INTO THEIR HOUSES.'

5. "So he called every one
of his lord's debtors
unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU
UNTO MY LORD?'

6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES
OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'

7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH OWEST THOU?'

And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES
OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'

8. "And the lord commended
the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of this World
are in their Generation
wiser than
the Children of Light.
9. "And I say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES
FRIENDS OF THE MAMMON
OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECEIVE YOU INTO
EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'

10. "He that is faithful
in that which is least
is faithful also in much:
and he that is unjust
in the least
is unjust also in much.
11. "If therefore ye
have not been faithful
in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust
The True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not
been faithful in that
which is another man's,
who shall give you
that which is your own?
13. "No servant can serve
two masters:
for either he will
hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will
hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God
and mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also,
who were covetous,
heard all these things:
and they derided him.

15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they
which justify yourselves
before men;
but God knoweth your hearts:
for that which is
highly esteemed
among men is Abomination
in The Sight of God."

you have not answered the question o, this is what nigerian pastors do when you ask them what is Gods kingdom and how does it apply?
They will jump here and there

Originakalokalo:
The kingdom God is in you.... Jesus said this

I therefore conclude that the kingdom of God is the kingdom of the true church... Where Jesus is the ruler

you are absolutely correct here, but how does this apply to reality?

When Christ shall come

but the scripture confirms that christ has already come, and that kingdom is already in you like you said here? Why are you contradicting yourself?

You just said the kingdom of God is in you, now you are saying it will come when christ come.

Therefore, the kingdom of God which is the church, is not fully established on earth yet..

my guy, there are churches all over the world or this earth fully estabished everywhere what are you talking??

You see how you people contradict yourselves?

Ok, show me a scripture that says the kingdom of God is not fully established on this earth today

As simple as this question is, do you know that no pastor in Nigeria can provide the answer to this question and relate the answer to reality?

I will tell you why the answer to this simple question is very important and can liberate nigerian christians from the grip of religion and it atrocities and change the fortune of this nation to a better people who will begin to the mindset of industrialization and development, rather than depending on prayers and pastors and church going which has drawn the nation backward in terms of education, industrialization and development.

Recently,there was a report that Falz had his mum getting worried that he has not been going to church and Daddy freeze reacted ensuring his mum that all is well with his son.

He cited that Falz does not need church because, in summary, pastors are scammers.

To me, it seems these pastors are deliberately hiding the answer to this simple question from the church, so that church members will continue to remain loyal to them, then they can do whatever they like.
Dont get me wrong, i am not saying you should not be loyal to your pastor but it will be profitable for you to be loyal to him because he has been educating you, not that you are loyal to him because you want to apeal to your emotions.

But so far, the church in nigeria has not been educated about Gods kingdom. It is the greatest tragedy that will befall any church or nation.

Little wonder christ in his parables will lay emphases first on Gods kingdom saying THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE UNTO....

And also, SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND IT RIGHTEOUSNESS...

but nigerian christians dont know what to seek, they are seeking pastors first.

Why ?
Because they dont really know what this kingdom is.

As the saying goes, when the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable.

What is God's kingdom?

alBHAGDADI, jiggaz, MrPRevailer ,annyplenty, jesusjnr,

alBHAGDADI:
What do you mean by flexible analysis? You mean junk criticism of doctrine based on the ideas of a natural man who lacks the spirit of God?

no,
Flexible analysis is a fair scrutiny of every elements in the content of the message. It does not take only people filled with the spirit of God to scrutinize messages, it takes common sense to do that. That means, even a non christian who doesnt have the spirit of God can assess and see for himself whether the message is what he can accept or not. A lot of people who were coverted to christianity did this simple test and saw that the message which convinced them were good enough.

You want a church where members can be throwing questions at the pastor during his sermon? Then go and look for one of those heretic house movement like your Free The Sheeple Movement where everyone is a pastor, where anybody can mount the pulpit and preach whatever jargons he thought of

that is not the case. So far, freeze has been the one doing the preaching, then questions are thrown to him online, on radio and in studio, there is nothing pulpit there .

You want members who haven't read the Bible from cover to cover to start asking a pastor that has spent years studying the Bible ignorant questions?

if anyone is asking ignorant question the pastor can turn the question down and provide answers to those who are asking sincere questions

Do you think the house of God is a free for all?

this is what keep me wondering. free for all as in, the house of God is liable to be rigid and not flexible enough to provide answers to questions not corresponding to their doctrines?

Was it so during the time of the Apostles in the New Testament?

we all know that it was even himself that took arguments day and night in the synague of the jews. That means he was also giving answers to every possible questions .

Could you stand up to a priest of God in the Old Testament and not regret it later?

c'mon, that was old you already know that.

You feel simply because you just read two chapters which a deceiver like Freeze confused you with, you are now knowledgeable about the word of God to the point of challenging and ordained man of God.

as it stand right now, no ordained man of God in Nigeria was able to provide the answer to this question, what is the kingdom of God? And relate the answer to reality.

If you want an answer from your pastor concerning his sermon, walk up to him after the service and he will provide the answer.

i have done that several times but he tried to twist it to another thing entirely. I have gone to Baptist, Methodist, RCCG, Winners, name it. They are all begging the question.

But what people like you will do is walk up to a pastor with a proud face and shoulders puffed up, which clearly shows you already have your mind made up, so whatever he says won't matter.

no, its far from that.
Even if i was proud cant they prove themselves and prove me wrong for once?
Must they give answers to people who are humble to them?
Even people who are humble to them never had answers to the question what is Gods kingdom when i first asked them. Why then were they humble in the first place?

No one will attend to you with that kind of attitude. You are not even close to a babe in Christ yet you are challenging a true man of God versed in the scriptures.

the truth is i dont need the answer to that question for anything. All i am intested is, let these pastors give these babes the answer to that question.
The babes themselves dont know the answer.

You that is talking you are one of the humbled babes you dont know the answer.

The babes are not asking the right questions they are following the men of God blindly and humbled.

The answer to that question is their right. It is the essence why they are christians. When the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable.

This is the biggest problem to the churches in africa today.
Lack of education from the basis .

They dont know what they should ask, they are busy pursuing miracles and signs and wonders from pastors

Wore to the african churches

alBHAGDADI:
So what are the similarities that makes you think they are also corrupt?

This is another proof of you deceived people: You make baseless claims without proof.

when a christian says he has attended a church whether it is true or not there are no basis to refute the claim because any christian can attend any church anytime anyday.

The question you should ask yourself is, do baptist priests receives tithe like every other nigerian churches?
The answer is yes.
Do they allow flexible analysis of scriptures outside the scope of their laid down doctrines ?
The answer is no.
No church in nigeria has ever allowed that.

I have asked this simple question What is Gods kingdom, not even a baptist priest was able to provide the answer, they even turn down the question in their church.

The same thing goes to all churches in Nigeria

It will be very pleasing to attend church one day and church members will be throwing questions to the pastors challengingly, and the pastor will be ready and willing to provide accurate answers to every sincere questions based on scriptures.

Now take a look at daddy freeze for example, he broadcast his messages on air outside the box of church doctrines so that anyone where ever they are,can ask questions challenging him, but he still provide constructive answers even though some of his answers may be wrong.

In every school settings thats how it is.
Questions are thrown to the teacher, lecturer or professor from anywhere without restrictions.

alBHAGDADI:
Like I said earlier, you deceived people love to paint everything with the same brush. Look at how you claim he is knowledgeable than our pastors as if you've seen them all.

i have attended baptist church before, there is nothing different from the general conventional ideas of most nigerian churches.