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IAmSabrina:
I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place

what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves?

Martinez39:
Wow. God, being god, can determine his responsibilities and I don't see any reason why he would withhold his supernatural healing power from the suffering christians who have asked in faith. Besides, the bible says that the prayer of faith shall heal the sick.

he is God does not mean that he will do supernatural miracles to satisfy the unrealistic desires of christians or any man. I mean, he will never build castles in the air for christians or any man simply because they have faith and he has the supernatural power to do so. If any christian is expecting that, then he is yet to know Gods position his role in humans scheme of things.

Dishonest and lying Paxonel. You are so dishonest that I created a thread about you using my previous moniker.

and you ended up not proving to even your fellow atheists that i was dishonest.
Witchcraft or juju or blood money do not exist, we all agreed on that

To replenish the earth doesn't mean to heal the earth, it simply means that they should multiply. You lied on purpose, shameless liar.
Genesis 1:28 New International Version (NIV)
²⁸ "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Genesis 1:28 King James Version (KJV)
²⁸ "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

According to that verse, man will be fruitful and multiply and as a result of that, they shall fill up the earth with their kind. That's what "replenish" meant there. Shameless liar. Dishonest Paxonel. That verse never said it's man's responsibility to HEAL himself. To say it's the responsibility of man is to make the an excuse similar to the one I dismantled in my OP.

you funny o
What kinda atheist are you?
I thoughts atheists were suppose to read between lines and be knowledgeable?

So, after humans are fruitful and have multiply and filled the earth with their kind what next? Is it not to replenish the earth?
what is the difference between the word REPLENISH and the word HEAL in the context of that scripture?
You want to teach me bible abi ?

See atheist who has never read bible want to teach a christian bible, you get mind o

Let me ask you a practical question, if one the animals in the garden of Eden fell sick and Adam plucked herbs from a tree to cure the sick animal, what is he doing?
Is he not replenishing the health of the animal?
How is replenishing different from healing in that situation?
When i told you, leave bible for christians, the book is not for atheists like you, you will not hear, see am now.

So what's stopping him from making his supernatural power available for healing?

Because he is God, he created humans in his image and likeness, he can do and undo. He can choose to heal, he can choose not to, no one can force him to show his supernatural power.
Having said he created humans in his image and likeness that is an alternative.
In his image and likeness, we we have the brain to invent technology and synthesize drugs what else do you want?

Why choose medicine instead of his supernatural power?

medicine or supernatural power we are still acheiving the same result which is healing, one should be ok with the healing which is the end, and not looking at the means at which the healing is achieved.

Why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail"

if man fails he has the option of trying again, certainly he will get it right someday.

when he could perfectly take on the responsibility? You are not making sense.

like i said before, miracles only when it is necessary.
You dont expect God to help africans do miracles when other developed nations have a nearly perfect medical system working for them, let africans go and learn what these developed nations have learnt, that is the position of God.
God is not bias.

[color=#000099] [i] "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able, Then he is not omnipotent.

that argument does not follow! He was willing and able to prevent evil to come upon job. But he was more willing to prove to satan that job can still worship him inspite his situation. I mean, there were other people on earth who never had the same problems job had, that tells you that job on his side was careless thats why the problem came, not really that God wanted it to be so to him.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

i dont think that even a christian child does not know where evil came from.
Let me bring this parable of Jesus christ.
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Put it this way, his enemy brought the evil not him.

So, the battle or contest is between God and his enemy(The satan or antagonist) not between God and man.
If you are man and you find yourself fighting against God, then you are fighting the wrong battle.

As a god who could see the future, why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail"

once again you are very wrong with that assumption that man is doomed to fail!
God wanted man to be on his side thats why he gave him the responsibility, even satan knows he cannot defeat man when man begins to know everything(because knowledge is power)even if God is not assisting with his supernatural powers

You are not making sense. So miracles occur when man gets it right?

no, absence of miracles shows that man is getting it right

Okay, tell me how man can get it right.

Education!
Only through education (formal or informal)

Fans are inanimate and can't be guilty of disobedience and other sins. If you make a fan and it's not working, you are not a good designer and engineer. If you have to rotate the fan blades with your hands instead of fixing it like an electrician, you are not wise.

now you are reasoning along.
The same vain, the only way God could fix man was to send Jesus to come and resque man which he did. Otherwise, man was fit to be dumped as trash like a spoilt fan. Matthew 13:28

But in the past when man didn't get almost everything right, did he intervene? No. Even now, millions of people are still dying and suffering from various terminal diseases and you tell me god doesn't need to intervene any longer.

who said he did not intervene?
What were the miracles of opening the red sea for the israelites to go through, and the fall of jerico and providing maner(food) from the clouds and all the miracles jesus did which were recorded in the bible meant for?
Like í told you before, all those miracle ways of doing things are old, we dont need them anymore .
What we need is knowledge and understanding.
If any nation have their citizens suffering from poverty and terminal diseases this modern day, let their government set up affordable education and health care system which is working, and not lazily waiting for miracles from God, its as simple as that

Martinez39:
Despite the bible talking about Yahweh being capable of healing and his promises to answer prayers of faith, many christians still can't bring themselves to put these in practice when shit hits the fan in life. Many, within them, know that the promises of Yahweh to heal the sick, who ask with faith, are laughable but since they want to keep on believing, they resolve the cognitive dissonance with illogical excuses such as "god is not a magician," "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing" etc. in other to obviate their responsibility of embracing the miraculous as christians.

One of these illogical excuses that I want to address is "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing." When christians use this line, what they mean is "Yahweh doesn't heal anyone directly instead the only way he heals is through doctors and nurses." They cleverly do this because, within them, they know that the miraculous healing is βullshit but they want to keep on believing. They try to absolve themselves of the responsibility to believe and practice faith healing instead of going to hospital. Does this excuse really make sense? No it doesn't. To use such excuse means you indirectly admit that Yahweh, being all powerful, can't properly implement appropriate solutions to problems or is plain wicked.

If Yahweh can provide healing for those who ask in faith, why leave them in the hands of doctors and nurses? Doctors and nurses are not perfect and can make mistakes that can be fatal at times. Medicine doesn't have solutions to certain ailments but Yahweh supposedly does, then why make medicine his only provision for healing when he can use his raw power? If medical science, not his raw power, is the only provision for healing then such provision is not sufficient for cancer patients, people with Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome, AIDS patients, the with ebola hemorrhagic fever etc. People with these end up dying. So why make medicine the only possible way when Yahweh could have used his raw power? With his allegedly raw power, these difficulties in medicine would be avoided and no one would die.

Does it make sense for Yahweh to ignore his perfect efficient power and opt for the imperfect and evolving medical science? Does this not make him an unintelligent god incapable of making sound choices? If he is perfectly sane and intelligent, does this not make him psychopathic? Why ignore your raw power that has a cure to all diseases for medical science that is limited in proffering solutions to many deadly illnesses? In many cases of manageable illnesses, the patients go through daily discomfort and spend money when this would not have been the case if Yahweh had made his raw power the provision for healing instead of the imperfect medical science. What about cases of mentally ill people who are confined to the psychiatric wards? Which would have helped them better, medical science or Yahweh's raw power(assume it exists as the bible claims)? Is this a foolish god or a psychopath? If he is sane and perfect in intellect, then he is wicked to watch people suffer and die when he could have used his raw power.

Before anti-malarial drugs were discovered, millions of children and adults died from malaria and there was nothing medical science, the provision of God for healing, could do but had god made his raw power the provision, such would not have happened. I ask you, do you think it is wise for Yahweh, being all powerful, to make the imperfect medical science his provision of healing when he could have used his raw power? So much for this divine provision of healing that many surgeries are predicted to have slim chances of success but this would not have been the case if Yahweh had used his raw power. He did it in biblical times, why should now be different? Does this make sense to you?

Given all I have stated, we can conclude that for Yahweh to make the imperfect medical science his only provision for healing instead of his raw power, then either he is too dull to proffer apt solutions to problems or he is simply a psychopath. Perhaps, we depend on medical science because it all we've got and there is no god existing.




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it wasnt the place of God to use his supernatural power to heal in the first place.

After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to man

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them(man), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth(heal the earth)...

So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this world

But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles.

Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity.

Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer.

Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding.

Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today

RALPHOW:
Still searching for Daddy Freezer's name!!

mumu hater of daddy freeze.

Keep searching nonsense

RALPHOW:
Adesina, Oyedepo, Enenche, others make 2019 list of 100 most reputable people on earth .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2019/04/09/adesina-oyedepo-enenche-others-make-2019-list-100-reputable-people-earth-full-list/amp/

ok, have you ever tried to google list of most reputable people on earth?
Google it, you will see you as one bush man on nairaland who is worshipping oyedepo.

Idiot

Most reputable

How many women thunder don strike since kumuyi they preach,because say she put on trouser?

That shows kumuyi is not God he is only saying his personal opinion, and such opinion should not be adopted by all christian women

Daviddson:
The man told Jesus Christ: 'Remember me in Your Kingdom'. That's a sign of repentance.

did you say sign?
You can't predict peoples mind from what they are saying, they will say one thing and do a different thing entirely. Remember me in your kingdom does not mean he has repented he is just saying it, infact i am very sure if he was pardoned he will still go back to commit the very sin that he was indicted to the cross. It is this understanding that the law and the authority will proceed to execute or kill the thief even after he is saying he has repented. That means, his repentance amount to nothing, it of no use.
The last time i check the meaning of the word repentance in Englih dictionary, it means :
to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life.
You cant do that anymore when you are about to be executed for your sins

And he also said: 'We're being punished for our sins, but this Man has done nothing', thereby acknowledging his sin.

he has already acknowledge that what he was about to do is sin from day one, at the point he is about committing the sin, he isnt kid.

If he wasn't repentant, he wouldn't have shut the other fellow down and then ask Jesus to remember Him in Heaven.

his repentance did not change anything. His execution was proceeded so whats the use of repentance?
He was killed like someone who has not repented .

What are we saying in all this?
Jesus christ accepted him in his paradise not because he repented, but he simply acknowledged Jesus as his savior
Repentance and accepting christ are two different thing and should be treated as such.
Salvation has nothing to do with repentance, we are saved by grace without the deeds of the law.

Daviddson:
Matt 3:2 - And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Relate the mark 2:17 you quoted with luke 23:41 and tell me why scriptures are saying repent and another time, someone who did not repent and was crucified for his sins in luke 23:41 end up making heaven .

Why will the scripture say one thing repent repent, and someone who did not repent was in paradise with christ

Daviddson:
Matt 3:2 - And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

how about this man who made this comment in the bible who did not repent until he died of his sin

Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds....

Did this same man not make heaven inspite his sin?

Relate the other scriptures you quoted (matt 3:2 and mark z:17) luke 24:41 and tell me why scriptures are saying repent and another time, someone who did not repent and was crucified for his sins end up making heaven

OLAADEGBU:
You are yet to be a Christian until you've repented.

and you expect me or anyone else to be that simply because you are saying it?

I'll rather believe the bible

Ahcu22:
Deut 22:9 says that one should not plant divers seeds, lest his fruits be defiled.
22:11 says one should not wear garment of divers sorts as of woollen and linen together
22:13-21 says if a woman does not go to her husband house as a virgin, she should be stoned.
22:26 says if a man forces a woman and lie with her (rape) the man shall die.
Others dey o! Just wondering y they would collect 22 : 5 and start talking about it. Meanwhile,they person wear different materials. The person plant ugu, bitter leaf, pepper, okro etc at his back yard.
Heaven go surprise some people.

common go sleep

Deuteronomy my foot.

The man nor get scripture for new testament to support his fake doctrine?
Must he read old testament?

Wetin trouser do this kumuyi sef

OLAADEGBU:
You, a Christian? Can you share with us how you became a Christian?

is there any special way to be christian order than believing and confessing that Jesus is the christ and giver eternal life?
John 3:16 ....whosever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
What else do you expect, that i should also believe in conventional doctrines?

I am a christian, but these americans and europians have succeeded in propagating deception to the world over the years.
What is rapture?
Is there anything like that in the bible?
No!!

I will advice christians to focus on their current lives on earth and live it to the fullest,achieving whatever they want and not be distracted by fake beliefs of people flying away from the earth in the future

IdreamOfUnicorn:
You're the tribalistic one creating issues where there's none.
Note: I'm not yoruba

you dont even understand what the op meant by being tribalistic you are commenting

KingAzubuike:
Most top positions in RCCG are usually headed by the yorubas. Why is this so?/

because yoruba is very tribalistic in nature, to the extent that they practice tribalistic christianity.

It isnt bad anyay

wirinet:
As he applied for the certificate and was issued in 2018, you want him to travel back in time to 1959, take a passport photograph and then bring it back to 2018 to be affixed in his WAEC certificate?

then waec should have ensure that his recent photograph taken in 2018 appears on the result sheath since he just applied for it, and not deceiving nigerians with a black and white photo that looks like what was taken in 1966

Do you understand what the word forgery means? How can WAEC, a body that issues a document issue a forgery?

but the photo is forged yes or no?

It is like saying Nigerian printing and minting is printing fake naira.

central bank has printed fake mints before its not today, is it not this same country we are living?

wirinet:
He had already shown it when it was presented to him by WAEC.
If you were in Antarctica then, here it is;

the passport is showing 79 years old man in black and photo as if the picture was taken in the early 60s, is that not scam or forgery?

when did he write the exam, what year?

Waec helped this long neck to forge this now
Someone should charge waec and buhari to court.

We did not see buhari in any waec examination hall too

The major problem facing Nigeria is lack of integrity on the part of its leaders, Vice President Yemi Osinbajo has said.

Mr Osinbajo said the ugly trend reared its head more especially with past leadership of the country.

He made these remarks while speaking at the 11th colloquium of the All Progressives Congress (APC) leader, Bola Tinubu, on Thursday.

Mr Osinbajo, representing President Muhammadu Buhari at the event, said bad leadership of the past cost the country major infrastructural development.

He blamed past governments for being wasteful in times of abundance.

“I have said it before, Nigeria’s main problem is not a lack of ideas, it’s not. Most of the time, especially with the leadership of the past, it is lack of integrity in leadership and corruption in particular and it is the reason we are finding it difficult to make any progress.

“That is why we earned $383 billion in four years – 2010 to 2014 – the highest ever in the history of our country and yet Lagos-Ibadan expressway not done, all of what is being done today not done.

“We cannot point to a single major project, a single major infrastructure project that was completed in the ten years period despite the high wealth, including power. So, a government coming after so many years of waste must be a government that first, emphasises fiscal prudence, a government that emphasises integrity in public finance so that we manage the little resources we have to achieve the maximum that can be achieved and that is what President Muhammadu Buhari has set out to do.”

Mr Osinbajo, who served as Attorney-General and Commissioner for Justice in Lagos State during Mr Tinubu’s administration, eulogised the APC leader

“We do it (the colloquium) in celebration of a man who has spent the last 30 years of his life in creative public service. Right from the days of being Lagos governor, he provided clarity of thought and rare vision in all aspects of life.

“Once in a while, I think that history gives us people who are gifted transformative leaders and I believe that our country has been gifted by this transformative leader, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu,” he said.

Mr Osinbajo thereafter reeled out the aspirations of the Buhari administration under the next level mantra.

Describing it as biggest in Africa, he said the government is working to expand the Social Intervention Program (SIP).

On health, he said the focus of the government is on health insurance as the government ‘cannot finance health care on budget alone.’

Dignitaries at the event include outgoing Lagos State Governor, Akinwumi Ambode; his Kano State counterpart, Abdullahi Ganduje; Kogi State governor, Yahaya Bello; Zamfara State Governor, Abdulaziz Yari; Mr Tinubu’s wife and a senator representing Lagos Central, Oluremi Tinubu; APC chairman Adams Oshiomole, among many others.

Why will a pastor decree that a governor will die in the next two years of his new government, what kind of a pastor is that?
Pastor Chris should just be mindful of what he wishes people God isn't like that.
And moreover,if there are laws bounding open evangelism in kaduna i think christians should not be found disobeying laws .
But killing of christians simply because they are disobeying laws is evil, i mean there are other punishments for such disobedience other than killing

Good one from oyedepo church tithe and offering.
May God bless winners members especially the poor ones among them who donated who cannot still afford one bag of rice for themselves .

May God bless poor winners members who donated to build universities which their children could not afford to go

Op, if it is catholic church were is the statue of mary or any of the apostles?
You know the pope can be photoshopped there?

All these old skool pastors sef, if you nor avoid them wetin you dey?
Na people were dem don dey inside heaven like this already, you dey say dem won make heaven?

Who tell you say heaven na their problem?

HigherEd:
All that "for better for worse, in sickness and in health", that people recite as marriage vows is unscriptural! It is a curse!

Dr David Oyedepo


https://www.facebook.com/444807728996437/posts/1620543638089501/

oyedepo is saying the truth.

He is on the side of daddy freeze for once.
That does not mean he isn't scamming people

If you listen to this thief, you do that at your own peril

TVSA:
LMAO, he said it is not literal. When it does not make sense, it is either it is not literal or it is out of context.

if you ask him, what is the literal meaning? He will not be able to figure it out.
Yet he is using it that way which is not even making sense

Star falls from heaven like a stone under gravity

MrPresident1:
Let all true children of God be aware of the antics of the dogs of satan. Just be watchful and prayerful, Jesus Christ is already with us. These satanic dogs have no future, they will spend their eternity in chains, they are looking for people to go down with them. Be aware of the antics of these satanic toothless dogs.



White American , these people you call monkeys will wake up just as Nebuchadnezzar woke up too. Let us leave what Nebuchadnezzar did to his enemies to our fertile imaginations

Nebuchadnezzar was more educated.
This level of ignorance seen among you africans today, if care is not taken you will remain like this forever.
Because, i have not seen anything the government have done to improve it.
Go and see all universities in nigeria, they have become like work house (where oliver twist was nutured).
Shame to the nation.

And you nigerians are carrying bible preaching, what you do not understand.

That is the most dangerous thing to do