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dollytino4real:
it is necessary because it is commandment

use scriptures please.
You are free to consult your pastor

now lets use our brain and reason this thing, because
unknown to us, church going in the first place (which is part of all the activities done in churches including tithing) ALL INCLUSIVE, are never ways to worship God anymore talkless of tithing.

We are not saying that church going was abolished, we are saying it is never a way to worship God.

And God who is a spirit is more interested in your worship over physical activities in church buildings.

Today, we worship God in spirit and in truth.

How do we worship God in spirit and in truth?

By simply believing in Christ and get saved that is all. John 3:16

And when you do that, there are absolutely no need for worshipping in buildings called church anymore because these buildings and their pastors and their activities(which include tithing) will all collapse someday, mark my word.
Nothing last on this earth forever.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem(temple or church building at jerusalem), worship the Father.

THAT HOUR HAS COME, THE HOUR IS RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE TALKING, SO YOU PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING SENSELESS FIGHT SUPPORTING TITHING BECAUSE WHAT WILL BE WILL SURELY BE, YOU CANT STOP JESUS CHRIST, HE HAS SAID IT AND IT WILL SURELY COME TO PASS.

So you see now, your pastors today are scamming you people big time

Oyedepo, adeboye, kumuyi, Lazarus, all of them.

However, the need to always gather as christians is nothing more than learning the scriptures together and to encourage one another in the faith, anything more than that is a scam.

alBHAGDADI:
Please don't mind those blind bats.

They are trying to change God's word on tithing which he never did. If he didn't want us to continue tithing like he didn't want is to continue animal sacrifices, he would have said it like he did concerning animal sacrifices.

But since he didn't change his words on tithing, then anyone trying to stop tithing is trying to change God's words.

Let me give you a simple illustration from the Bible. Read the passage below.

Mathew 4:8-11

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Ad you can see above, Satan wanted Jesus to worship him. But Jesus knew that it is written in the scriptures that only God deserves worship. That's why Jesus made it known to Satan that that writing in the scriptures about worshiping God alone has not changed, so there's no way Satan should expect worship from him.

All those who kick against tithing can't show us where God specifically changed his word in the scriptures on tithing. That is why people who tithe still continue to tithe because God's word of old which hasn't been changed by him still stand. Anyone trying to change it is only playing Satan's role of trying to change God's word just like he did when he tempted Jesus.

now use your brain and reason this thing, because
unknown to you people, church going in the first place (which is part of all the activities done in churches including tithing) ALL INCLUSIVE, are never ways to worship God anymore talkless of tithing.

We are not saying that church going was abolished, we are saying it is never a way to worship God.

And God who is a spirit is more interested in your worship over physical activities in church buildings.

Today, we worship God in spirit and in truth.

How do we worship God in spirit and in truth?

By simply believing in Christ and get saved that is all.

And when you do that, there are absolutely no need for worshipping in buildings called church anymore because these buildings and their pastors and their activities(which include tithing) will all collapse someday, mark my word.
Nothing last on this earth forever.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem(temple or church building at jerusalem), worship the Father.

THAT HOUR HAS COME, THE HOUR IS RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE TALKING, SO YOU PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING SENSELESS FIGHT SUPPORTING TITHING BECAUSE WHAT WILL BE WILL SURELY BE, YOU CANT STOP JESUS CHRIST, HE HAS SAID IT AND IT WILL SURELY COME TO PASS.

So you see now, your pastors today are scamming you people big time

Oyedepo, adeboye, kumuyi, Lazarus, all of them.

However, the need to always gather as christians is nothing more than learning the scriptures together and to encourage one another in the faith, anything more than that is a scam.

asuustrike1:
Flesh and blood didn't reveal this to you. For as many that are lead by the spirit they are the sons of God. Just let Lucifer do it's worst he will get tired of luring men. His time is up hence he is fighting tooth and nail like a wounded lion. The kind of Christians coming up although not all are look and follow Christians. Many dont study the scriptures,many dont pray and ask the holy ghost to reveal things. Many are just bible gurus without power. What is the point of knowing the scriptures when there is no manifeststion of God's power. In summary many just listen to messages from different platform without doing their home work. The spirit is one hence whatever he reveals to one might be revealed to others. There brethren in Christ our adversary the devil has recruited demons on the internet to cause havoc. These demons will come in subtle way just like in the days of Adam and Eve. You will see many thread causing confusion and argument. Don't be moved by their long essay writings claiming to be knowledgeable about the scriptures because their master Lucifer knows the bible too. They are crafty in disserting the bible.

now use your brain and reason this thing before talking.
you are hear defending MrPRevailer but unknown to you both, church going(which is part of all the activities done in churches including tithing) ALL INCLUSIVE, are never ways to worship God anymore talkless of tithing.
Today, we worship God in spirit and in truth.

How do we worship God in spirit and in truth?

By not worshipping in buildings called church anymore because these buildings and their pastors and their activities(which include tithing) will all collapse someday, mark my word.
Nothing last on this earth forever.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem(temple or church building at jerusalem), worship the Father.

THAT HOUR HAS COME, THE HOUR IS RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE TALKING, SO YOU PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING SENSELESS FIGHT SUPPORTING TITHING BECAUSE WHAT WILL BE WILL SURELY BE, YOU CANT STOP JESUS CHRIST, HE HAS SAID IT AND IT WILL SURELY COME TO PASS.

So you see now, your pastors today are scamming you people big time

Oyedepo, adeboye, kumuyi, Lazarus, all of them.

Op, in christianity everyone are men of God for themselves. No one ordained all these pastors you mentioned above to preside over anyone.

Daddy freeze is also entitled to have his own beliefs different from these pastors and he is saved as well.

See am now, nigerian pastors una case don reach ukraine, we dey hunger pay tithe una dey chop abi

PastorDannie:
Keep deceiving yourself sir.
Tithe is not just peculiar to Nigerian Christians. Christians all over the world takes part in this covenant practice.

No!
Don't go there

You do not have a single clue of how those people understand their christianity you people are just hear in africa doing rubbish.

Let me tell you, there are population of young people who have truly distinguished themselves from religious practices you hardly see them in churches talkless of tithing.
Even the old grand mummys and papas who are frequently seen in churches (because they have been used to church going from childhood) are becoming weak of the activities, and not being dogmatic anymore. Tithing was part of the religious activities of these old people many of which have died away paving way for the young generation who have better understanding and who over time are done with the rubbish practice.

Don't forget, the richest pastor in the world is not an African and not a Nigerian.

the richest pastor you are talking about never became rich from running church,find out.
Church financing are strictly regulated by governmental agencies but in africa it is no go area and that is absolutely rubbish.

It would make more sense if you show us what you have done to better your society

we all know that the private sector currently are making more impact than even the government which is not suppose to be so.
Showing you what i have done or not will not make any difference but only good governance will do.

instead of fighting a covenant practice that God is not against. WE PAY TITHE AND WE ARE NOT COMPLAINING.

like you are being defrauded and you are not complaining its normal.
Afterall some whities who were being defrauded by yahoo boys are not complaining too.

But get this!
It was the duty of the african government to protect it citizens against known fraudstars of any form but they are not.
Years ago, bishop oyedepo's winners chapel was sanctioned in the uk for these same financial trafficking activities which the nigerian churches thought it was normal until winners chapel have to trace their steps.

You are living in africa but never you think that the very things you africans do in church are also done in churches elsewhere, you will be very wrong.

alBHAGDADI:
Was tithing only meant for the Leviticus priesthood alone? Was it not also meant for widows, orphans, the needy, strangers and also the tither who all eat out of it?

Don't we still have pastors who work in God's house like the Levites did, widows, orphans, strangers and even tithers today?

If people don't tithe, how will Christian be able to propagate the gospel with modern technology? You advocates of replacing tithing with freewill giving, how many times have you giving freely in the last six months? If that's the church is depending on, do you think it will still be standing today?

show me in the old testament were tithe presidings were given to widows, orphans and strangers.

If that is what your church is using tithe money for, then that is never tithing.

You people are just playing

Lokoyen:
Please educate yourself and your ilk. Only tithers u convinced are the ones who don't know why they are paying or know what the bible says about tithes.

As for me and my family (extended family) we'll continue to pay tithe.

liar!
You stoped paying a long time ago you are only bragging

Lokoyen:
Still on this tithing issue?

Please no one is forced to pay tithes. Don't pay, leave others who feel comfortable to pay. Abi did they ask you for money!

many tithe payers have had a rethink through this media and stop paying.

By the grace of God we are educating more people so that they will stop paying and use their money for better things for themselves rather than ignorantly enriching pastors where they didnt work for .

For your info, i went to church today and i was impressed with what i saw.

The decline for tithe paying is enormous.

Praise the lord

OkCornel:
Since the Bible is silent on this,
Keeping tassels at the corners of your garment? Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12
Why aren't you doing it?


Why are you also silent on the fact that God clearly instructed tithers to eat out of their tithes?

22 “You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.


Where did God change the rules of tithe from food to money?

God bless you for this.
Please ask him o

alBHAGDADI:
The warning against sleeping with your sister was not also a universal warning, so Christians are not under any obligation to obey it. Do you now understand?

Says who? You?



What you are saying is that every thing about the law has been throwaway. That's why I keep advising you to go and sleep with your sister. Etc means sleeping with your father's wife, your mother and the likes. Were you expecting me to have the time to start listing everything?



Do you also have to wait for tithing to be mentioned before you know it was never abolished? Same way sleeping with one's sister was never mentioned as wrong in the new testament but we know it's wrong, is the same way tithing not emphasized on in the same book should also make us know it hasn't been discarded.




Who are you to state where tithing falls? Stop making baseless statement without prove. Was there circumcission when Abraham tithed?

Don't you think since the Bible never condemned tithing, even Jesus, then Man should not condemn it?



Sorry dude, Abraham was not a Jew but a friend of God. He tithed not according to any Jewish law. Even when Jacob promised to tithe, it wasn't according to any Jewish law. Why do you condemn and attack those who chose to tithe? Where is your biblical backing? Why are you saying tithing has ended when God never said such? He initiated it and should be the only one to end it. Since he hasn't, who are you to end it for him?

we all know that tithing was of an immense benefit to the old covenant as the presidings of tithing was meant for the priests or the leviticus tribe who were intermediate link between God and the israelites in those days.

How is tithing of benefit to christianity today?

Explain.

Lokoyen:
Matthew 5:17

Stop misquoting Bible please. Jesus didn't come with salvation to abolish the law.

dont generalise!
Which law?
You have to specify, is it tithing or the 10 commandments or the law of sacrificing rams, etc?

If truly he came to abolish the law we shouldn't have the old testament in the Bible because the law as passed away.

point of correction christ never abolished tithing.
He never enforced it to christians too as tithing was only meant for the jews and not christians.

No one is forcing you to pay tithes,

big lie!
When your pastors quote malachi that non tithers are robbing God what do you call that, is that not a way of enforcing tithing to those who dont want to be seen as robbing God?
You people should be mindful of what you do o

the reward that comes with it is personal.

which reward?
atleast there are no evidence that tithers are wealthier than even muslims or athiests who dont even go to church

If you still think the law doesn't apply today please just tear of all old testament books and stop making references to them. Don;t even read the book of Psalms.

my friend the only laws of the old testament that is apply today is the 10 commandments.
Every other old testament laws which include tithing were only meant for the jews and not gentiles like you and me.

The old testament is only there for us to read and compare what was obtainable at that old time with the grace we have today as christians and see the difference and work towards a better perfection for the future.
therefore old testament can never be discarded

PastorDannie:
That your mentor actually need that lecture you are trying to do here. Please, Teach him to mind his shattered family.

he isnt my mentor, he is only confirming some of the truth i already know long before i heard about him which the church was shying away of.
Whatever happens to his family is not of national consequence but tithing in nigerian churches today that other countries are becoming vast with wisdom and understanding is a clear indication of how primitive and and low mentality african christians could be.

And you know what that means to every africans travelling to those countries?
They are seen as the same primitive people with no sense no matter what they can achieve.

alBHAGDADI:
But did he discourage Christians not to pay tithe?

why will he discourage christians over what is not a universal practice but was a law strictly meant for a particular tribe(the jewish tribe) or are you not aware that adherents of christianity comprises of all tribes of the world and not just only the jews?

There was no need to even mention tithing to christians talkless of discouraging christians over it.

That means that what God said in the Old Testament still holds as long as he didn't change it in the New Testament. You all are just trying to play God by changing what he never changed.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

The same thing applies to tithing and every other jewish laws order than the 10 commandments
Neither tithing availeth anything nor untithing

He changed circumcisions, he changed animal sacrifices, he changed the law against adultery etc. If he didn't want Christians to tithe, his son or the disciples would have stated such.

why are you using etc?
etc implies that there several other jewish laws you couldnt possibly mention here because they were so much.
His or the disiples therefore couldnt possibly state tithing which ofcourse was part of the etc

But since they didn't, who are you to say tithing has stopped? Are you God? Especially when you have no verse to back your claim up.

use your brain, no one is a child here.
There are certain indices when you read your bible that certain class of laws were all inclusive you dont need anyone to tell you.

Since the disciples didn't speak on sleeping with one's sister which the law speaks against, why not go ahead and sleep with your sister?

do you now see exactly what i am talking about?
Tithing was not mentioned just like one sleeping with his sister wasnt mentioned but will you wait until it was mentioned that one sleeping with his sister is wrong before you know that it is wrong?
The same thing applies, you dont need to wait until it was mentioned that tithing is wrong for christians before you know it is wrong.
Just follow the indices, tithing falls into the category of circumcision and sacrificing animals.
If everything like tithing were written inclusively dont you think the book called bible will be so bulky

As a matter of fact they are all the same jewish laws order than the 10 commandments

What christians should concern themselves is how to keep the 10 commandments which are laws of love for fellow mankind and not any jewish traditional laws called tithing.

Ok, if i as a yoruba man compel these jews to come and obey our traditional laws of prostrating before elders, paying homages to the yoruba dynasty will these jews comply?
I dont think so.
So why should we then uphold their law of tithing to great estime?
I dont get it.

alBHAGDADI:
You didn't read the OP at all.

Please go back and read again. You will see that it is not every part of the law that got thrown away.

Please go and read it.

i read it,
It is true that ít is not every part of the law that got thrown away, but that should not be mistaken that tithing was part of the new covenant.

Christ did not condemn the jews tithing infact he encourages them to pay their tithe while they should not omit the weighter part of the law like you indicated, but this encouragment to the jews should not be mistaken it to mean that he was encouraging the gentiles to pay tithe as well.

alBHAGDADI:
Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was the Priest of the Most High God, who was Jesus Christ in the old testament.

Genesis 14:18-20

how does this concern us in the new covenant?
Was abraham and melchizedek in the new covenant?

If you say melchizedek was Jesus christ did melchizedek brought salvation to aabraham in the old testament like we have salvation through christ today?

These are the questions one should ask.

Remember the parable of jesus the axe has huend the tree?
This means God is done with the old covenant and it laws which include tithing.

There is time for everything.

There was time for tithing(old testament era), now it is time for salvation ,so there is no point taking us or God back again to What has already past.

Put it this way, thing was another religion entirely different from christianity and that religion was judaism (religion of the jews)
Therefore let no jew force you to practice their laws because you are gentile by birth, lets say the truth.

Even today jews dont know anything about this tithing you people are now putting on your head that is becoming a problem to the church today

PastorDannie:
Of, is it your tithe?
We pay tithes because it's a covenant practice. Nobody forced us to pay o.

show me in the bible that tithe is a covenant for christians you cant, yet you are assuming.

And we are enjoying life more than that man that has lost his family to another man.

who is this one?

You are a pastor by your monika and you are sounding like some village people?

Oya go slap the adult because he happily divorce his wife now?

Abeg that your idea that someone is not happy because he is not doing what you are doing is very ridiculous.

Everyone have their lives and are entitled to live it the way they want .
dont teach people your own way, allow them to live their own.

sweetmusic12:
Pastors are good leaders. Why mocking them. They are responsible people. They tell people to do the right things and have a meaningful life. Why mocking them?!?

I believe the gate of hell won't prevail against the church.

they tell people to do the right thing like paying tithe and make themselves wealthy while most of the tithe payers wallow in poverty abi?

Is tithe right?

You judge it yourself, where was it indicated in the bible that there was a christian who paid tithe?

Not teaching the bible rightly is that how to tell people right?

desiredhome:
When you collect money from the church and build schools for only politicians and the rich, it means you are a fraudster, how many of his church members can attend the schools, in oyedepo and the rest Pentecostal pastors they are even worst because they lied in Gods name.
Only persons with mental problem that will not see this as a fraud
No body supporting these evil men have the right to blame any politicians,

certainly, it is the nature of black men not to see these things as fraud.

They can't try all these in developed nations where most people are educated.

Rebuke:
Yhu are d dumb as$ I see here. Accusing Bishop Oyedepo of fraud tells a lot abt d level of yhur intelligence.

Yhu accused a man yhu know nothing abt as being fraudulent, no fact n no personal relationship wt the said man bt talking based on here say, doesn't dat make yhu a fool, a very big fool?


Yhu can't get a good life accusing men of honour falsely.

Don't even bother quoting me, I don't feel good exchangin words wt people that have low mental faculty like yhu.

if you truly have good mentality you will not run away.
You will stay to actually know the truth and decide for yourself.

How do you define fraud?

Check your dictionary dont run away o.

FRAUD
: deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value

Now, when your pastor is taking tithe under christianity which was done a long time ago in the bible by people practicing judaism what do you call that ?
Is that not trick?

Its like muslims paying tithe and asking christians to pay too, but you people will never see it that way because you are mumu and blindfolded by your emotional sentiments to your pastors

But i dont know why mumus are quoting me so get out

OkunrinOloro:


Anytime Freeze speaks, I remember how he was the class dullard in the University of Ibadan, Department of Sociology in the early 2000s where he finished with a 3rd class degree. Back then I was still in junior secondary school, but my elder brother was in the Department of Economics also in U.I.and he personally knew freeze. Freeze was better known for being an MC and a wack rapper who regularly performed at campus gigs. He was never reckoned with as someone who possessed any intellectual competence.

so, how does this your post sum up to the equation that these pastors dancing are fraud as freeze has noted?

Are common sense meant for only first class and second class graduates?

HigherEd:
so i begin to wonder why a functionally educated person would correllate Winners wealth with Nigeria's poverty.

not just nigeria's poverty but the fact that over 70% of this same winners members are extremely poor people going by statistics.
The church is wealthy but the people in church are poor, who are then the church?
The question should be, why will a functionally educated person thinks he can get fortune from mere being a church goer and giving to pastors?

Churches that are cross national are usually very wealthy....

therefore the church members should part-take of the wealth too just like what is applicable to churches outside africa

OpenYourEyes1:
Below is statue of Lord Shiva at CERN.

Question is what is the Indian Idol doing at a Science institution?

just keeping their heritage and monuments to identify their culture with something.
Not that they believe in it anymore this modern day.


Perhaps africans should keep theirs and not making reality out of them anymore or they remain backward forever

it is better to hear it than to watch it. please off this tele, night don come

a Christian can be cursed only when he or she faces the consequences of his or her wrong doing.
there is nothing like a Christian being cursed mysteriously.
op, all tithe payers are cursed because it is very wrong to pay or receive tithe as a Christian.

or are Christians in the same covenant as that of old testament?

what is there in cele to fear them in the first place, is it their shaku shaku dance or their bare footed ?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ When and where has this happened?
2/ Who are the people you say, claim to be born again?

we all know that the common idea among christians is that if you are sinful then you are not born again or good enough christian

MuttleyLaff:
People will never see anything good about the kingdom
and that's because they are not born again, are not born from above, are not spiritually rebirthed
Regeneration, being born again, has not taken place in them

But there are people who have seen good about the kingdom and want to identify with it, but they were tagged unbelievers by people who claim to be born again simply because they cannot avoid committing sin?

Perfectbeing:
I don't get you. Does that mean we who didn't see the crucifixion of Jesus do not believe that he actually died and as a result, we're saved

No,
The difference between us and the disciples who followed christ is that, they had to go through all that tribulation or stress of walking with Jesus from city to city through the wilderness to Jerusalem before they could be saved.
But here we are getting salvation in a platter of Gold for free by simply believing.
So we are far better than them.

Thats why i keep saying it is far better to be a christian than to be born again.

We are claiming born again today but we never understand what people who were born again in the bible went through before they eventually became christians

Perfectbeing:
Paxonel, is being "born again" different from being "born of water and spirit?"

Cos from what you and muttleylaff are saying, someone who is born again can only "see" the kingdom but not enter. But someone that's born of water and spirit can "enter" God's kingdom.

So tell me, are such two sets of people different from each other??

according to Jesus response to Nicodemus questions, born again is the same thing as born of water and of spirit.
Born of water entails the ministry of john the Baptist, remember john baptised people with water, while born of the spirit entails the ministry of Christ before he was crucified.

That notwithstanding, believers after his resurrection are still born of the spirit but that was not Jesus meant to Nicodemus,he was strictly referring to his ministry before he was crucified which is the born again he meant.