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vaxx:
they are labelled holy, since human are anthropocentric in nature. We always want to put reference/relevance on a particular object over another. Just like the way we honour and value gold more than every other stones. Let me enlightened on how the world hold holy was inscribed into the bible

In a tradition settings of the bible, it is an expanded form of the name held over from its original Greek title, τὰ βιβλία τὰ ἅγια, which literally means "the holy scrolls." In the original Greek, τό βιβλίον (τὰ βιβλία is the plural form) is a generic, therefore not a proper noun, so the adjective τὰγια was necessary to specify which scrolls were being talked about: the holy scrolls, not just any old scrolls. In Latin, this expression was partially translated and partially borrowed as biblia sacra (Latin at the time did not use definite articles). Greek words were borrowed into Latin all the time, so even in Latin it might have needed clarification.it is about identify which manuscript should be scriptural. Have you ever hear the Muslim referring to Quran as holy Quran or the Hindu referring the Vedas as holy. Or the jews referring tanakh as holy?

that's the point!
Being anthropocentric is a characteristic of the human nature. Whether we call the books holy or not the fact still remains that they serves as guidelines to the human conscience over the years till this moment cos everyone have their flaws.

To your question, I am not an atheist, and i am surprised you labelled me as one.

because you sounded as one who never had a reference book to fall back on, when you need some principles guiding your morals like most atheists do.

I am a traditionalist who tolerate every idea that add value to humanity. And it cut across every religion

good religion, keep it up!

while using IFA teaching as my watchwords.

then IFA is your holy book

In essence i fall back to myself within. I am the keeper of my own conscience
My Biggest victory is not to be found outside , it is to win myself.

adherents of other religions do this too. Christians, Muslims, atheists, Buddhists or whatever

A self realised person is like bright illuminating light. Hope that answer your question.

yes! It answers my question

So tell me why you are a fundamentalist?

in the real sense everyone is a fundamentalist. Atleast you just gave me a few shot of your traditional fundamental beliefs which is very good

vaxx:
you earlier labelled them holy not me.and I complement it. Your assumptions had once been practiced and it was not successful. Read how France separate church from state. The reasons behind it.

oh!
I will rather have them seperated too in Nigeria.
And do you know why those books are still referred to as holy in France and elsewhere till this moment?
It is simply because seperating the church from the state did not stop people from reading the bible.

Now, let me ask you, what reference book do you fall back to as an atheist?
Whatever it is, that is your holy book

vaxx:
You just make a bogus claim ......these book you called holy are written by human and human by nature are bound to err. And if you claim this book are so holy that every principle , moral guide and rituals in them are perfect, therefore no need for further modification or correction. You just become primitive and it will be right for me to call you fundamentalist who refuse to evolved....


This indeed is a very dangerous concept to the development of African society.....

whether they are truly holy or not that's not the issue.
The issue I am saying is that, if any of these books serves as references to moral codes for Nigerians using them, then they should abide by the moral codes and ignore external traditional influences that will make them do otherwise

vaxx:
good , you are still repeating African tradition believe that has been ingrained to main Christianity which should be discarded. I quite agree with you. Since it does not add value to African society.


But my question is What are the core tradition teaching of Christianity that is not really good for african society and needs immediate abrogation? If African want to move forward.

non!
Except those African beliefs i mentioned.

Christianity or Islam if allowed the way their holy books presented their ideas will never constitute any problem to any nation rather they admonish adherenents to obey God's laws which will improve the way they live

vaxx:
for your article to become a valid conclusion.. Present to us the negative effect of Christianity teachings in African society . i agree not all its teaching are bad . so you can compliment it. With the already said about African tradition. It is not intelligent enough to be bias. What is it that is not good in biblical teaching. I await your unbiased response.

i mentioned superstitious beliefs in churches .
Just because there is existence of the supernatural,it does not imply that witches and wizards are the ones responsible for the predicaments of Nigerian christians.
When you go to churches, the order of the day is always prayer against device of the demons which is not bad anyway.
But by the time the idea presented by the prayer leader or the pastor is that someones misfortune in life comes from one old woman or mother in the village(always woman) or some fellow human who they think is a witch, guess what the effect will be?
The fellow will end up hating the woman or mother or the person.

The fellow will never know exactly where his problem is coming from, in order for him to find a lasting solution himself.

The fellow will become perpetually confused and loose his self esteem and confidence depending on pastors and prayers

The fellow will never grow to become truly intelligent

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Let me identifying some core values of the African tradition which are antagonistic to the 10 commandments(commandments of Love) which are still inculcated to children growing up in Africa by their parents and their religious leaders in all churches and mosques in Africa, which have indirectly plunge Africa(Nigeria as a nation) into the current level of moral decadence we are experiencing in our nation today among our youths and our political elites.
Now, not all African traditional beliefs and values are bad.
We have good values such as the way we relate to one another, our traditional dressing codes, our music and dances,
The various kind of food in our cultures, the way we show respect to our elders by prostrating before them etc. All these are good traditional values that should be sustained.
But the ones that are antagonistic to
Love and the 10 commandments of God like i said, has to do with this two:

1. Superstitious beliefs : Africans are so superstitious(perhaps, out of fear of the unknown) that they now practice their superstition in churches and mosques. When you hear Christians casting and binding demons and witchcrafts or sowing financial seed or tithe to pastors rather than going out there to work for their fortune they are just simply being superstitious.

2. Unnecessary regards to superiors: This traditional value is very common among the Yorubas and Hausas(Muslims in particular)
I'm not against the youths showing repects and regards to their leaders or parents at home, ofcourse that is paramount to their success in life, but when the leader is taking undue advantage of his position and infringe on the rights of his subordinates or his children at home or the people of the constituency he is representing at the state or national level, or the church or mosque he is leading, then it becomes something unfortunate and sympathetic that requires the people to fight for their emancipation.

In Africa, cases where parents are infringing on the rights of their children at home still exist,
or the man shifting the responsibility of taking care of the children to the woman saying I'm the man of house, or pastors threatening church members of hell fire if they do not comply to their financial requests
Or some Imam fundermentalists assuming the mouth piece of Allah, compelling the ignorant innocent people to be sympathetic to their course of killing Christians and even Muslims who do not share their beliefs.
or politians not being accountable to the people saying i owe no one explanation.

How long shall we continue to suffer under them in silence without speaking out atleast?

Today, we are celebrating democracy day and i believe it is time for the youths to reflect on the type of life we are living, whether we are living it democratically at all levels or we prefer being autocratic, not giving explanation to what we do to our subordinates, because certainly, some of us will find ourselves up there someday leading the country.
If we eventually do, are we going to continue with these corrupt fundermentals we were brought up with in the name of tradition and religion?

Ofcourse, we have the option to make amendments to our values and belief systems it is never too late.

lalasticlala, Mynd44

OLAADEGBU:
How did you become a Christian?

I was born into a christian home

OLAADEGBU:
This is where you atheists come stuck. What do understand by the term 'born again?'

it simply means to follow Christ and be his disciple going by the parable he gave Nicodemus
" the wind bloweth where it listed, thou knoweth not were it is cometh from and where it goeth... "

If you can interprete parables.

I'm a christian not an atheist.
An athiest will not have the interest to know what born again means

annyplenty:
It has always been like that. Those who will obey will obey. Those who will disobey will disobey. And those who will abuse will abuse.

You, yourself, consider this. Do you think if you have sunday service by 9a.m and there is a world cup match also fixed on 9a.m sunday, the same day, God will tell his children, 'hey children, I don't want you to miss that match. Don't come to church this morning. Go and watch the match'.

Brother, think about it. Many people be absent at church altogether during the period of the world cup if the Lord had not warned.

this is exactly why you were called fanatic and you are truly one, I have been telling you this.

First of all, You don't speak or issue out warning unbehalf of God like boko haram.

Secondly, you used the phrase children of God as if those who will choose to stay way from church service and watch matches are not children of God

Thirdly, you fail to realize that what makes one a christian is not regular church attendance.

And lastly, you think every christian should make church going their first priority over other things like watching football ignoring the fact that everyone are different.

That is not fair.

You can't force people to do what you do by issuing out warning because there is no way they can be like you.

Don't tell me it was a revelation or dream.
Revelation or dreams from God are never geared to render people into some kinda a religious lifestyle that makes them to put religious activities their first priority over fun and pleasures.

MuttleyLaff:
Then Jesus told them a parable
about their need to pray at all times and not lose heart
- Luke 18:1

And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.
With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord's people.
- Ephesians 6:18

Luke 18:1 and Ephesians 6:18, are two very hard to swallow, with ease, scripture verses.

Most have taken "pray at all times" to be rubbing a genie lamp until wishes are granted
In addition, most also have been indoctrinated to believe "pray in the Spirit" equates to "praying or speaking in tongue"

What I've observed, is that cultural mindsets and belief systems are carried over and fused in, which is why there are a lot of sense and fear bordering on insecurity

Proverbs 22:6 is a treble gold star standard scripture

exactly

Topccy007:
Ur opinion

it is true because there are no scriptures saying that Christians should not enjoy entertainment. Where did pastors get that from i don't know?

gentlegenius:
View the post and click on modify. It will show the same page you created the post. Then touch the subject line and scroll to the word you want to correct.
I don't quite understand why the Mods refused to correct it.

perhaps they were so busy

MuttleyLaff:
Is the "(Modify)" link disabled?
I mean, are you saying, it being on front page, has grayed out and made the "(Modify)" link unoperational?

the subject section has been removed and even the op is sealed, i can't modify anything again

Gullah:
Is there anything wrong with an artist who sings 'worldly' songs to perform inside a church? What about the inclusion of comedians in church events?

I've keenly followed a trend in various church events where I've seen secular artistes like Korede bello, Waje, Omawumi e.t.c perform during service, Even when we don't have the artistes performing the songs themselves, it is no longer uncommon to find praise leaders in the church singing secular songs like Phyno's fada fada, Humblesmiths's Osinachi and even songs by foreign secular artistes like R.Kelly ( Storm is over & He saved me) during service.

Regular attendees of the yearly The Experience gospel concerts by The house on the Rock church can confirm that performances by secular comedians have become a regular feature at the concert and many of the other church events organised by some 'Mega' churches in Nigeria.

I must confess that at the moment I haven't yet come to a firm conviction on the rightness or wrongness of this phenomenon in our Churches so I'd rather leave it open for Christians on this forum to share their opinions on this issue.

So what do you think? Is it right or wrong for secular artistes and comedians to perform during church services? Is it also proper for praise leaders to sing songs by secular artistes during service?

op, there was absolutely nothing nothing wrong bringing any kind of entertainment(so long it is moderated) to any gathering of christians. It is church leaders that created the rule that secular entertainment should be restricted from church gathering not God.

Any church in the same vain have the right to revert this rule and invite secular entertainers, there is nothing bad about it

Topccy007:
Everything is wrong with it. Church is a place of worship not entertainment.

this is a belief created by pastors, not God

MuttleyLaff:
As easy as saying A B C

Here are the steps:
1) Go to your original post (i.e. the first post of the thread)
2) Click on "Modify" link at bottom left
3) Go to "Subject" section showing the thread title and make changes as required here
4) Navigate down for the "Submit" button, click it, to save change done, in step 3 above

thanks bro!
I have seen it. But i cannot modify it again because the thread is already in front page.

Head coach of the Super Eagles, Gernot Rohr, is now left with 29 players from which to select his team for the 2018 World Cup, after Moses Simon was ruled out of the tournament as a result of an injury.

Simon, who plays for Belgian Jupiler League side, Gent, will not feature in Monday’s friendly against the Democratic Republic of Congo, DRC, nor the subsequent game against England on June 2.

Rohr confirmed the development to Premium Times in Port Harcourt.

“It is unfortunate Moses Simon will not be travelling with the team on Tuesday because he is down with an injury.

“The nature of his injury is such that he won’t be recovering quickly enough to make the World Cup,” Rohr said.

Meanwhile, the German coach will drop four more players from the squad after the game against DR Congo.

gentlegenius:
Hmmm... I support your sermon. You are on point. But there's a little error in the title of your message. Neglate is not the proper spelling. The word is spelt 'neglect'. Pls correct this since the Mod that pushed this to front page was too busy to notice or correct the spelling error.

how do i correct it sir?
I have tried but i don't know how

pryme:
Ever wonder why most of the members of these churches are problem-filled?
After ruining their lives with their actions, they run to church and scream who ever is responsible for their downfall should die by fire

And God being a just God gives them their heart desires

exactly!
They also blame them on witches and wizards which really do not exist .
Where as, they are the ones who failed to develop themselves

geoworldedu:
So u mean Paul the apostle wasn't expecting rapture?

no!
He was expecting resurrection, not rapture.
Rapture is not mentioned anywhere in the bible, but rather, what is there is resurrection of the dead

vaxx:
Medical and law practitioners are not in the same field

the same thing applies! Your whatever religion and christianity are not in the same field so i dont need to discuss bible with you because it will never make sense to you.
Even christians are confused when it comes to bible how much morè non christian like you.

but footballer of different clubs are in the same profession.

if your religion and christianity were of the same profession(meaning, your religion is christianity) then we can talk from there.

Let me enlightened you about rapture. My text is taken from Wikipedia. In case you need further reading.

The theological notion of a "rapture" was invented 170 years ago. In 1830, in Port Glasgow, Scotland, fifteen year old Margaret MacDonald had a vision concerning the return of Christ. Her vision was adopted by John Nelson Darby a British minister and founder of a denomination called the "Plymouth Brethern." In 1909, an American, C. I. Scofield, pubished an annotated version of the "King James" translation of the Bible called the "Scofield Reference Bible." Therefore if you do not believed in rapture you are a primitive Christian because the idea is some centuries years old and not the core traditional Christian believe.

good for you.
We make reference to bible to get our doctrines not wikipedia.
Therefore it is a primitive act to indoctrinate a person of another religion different from yours by not using his own holy book but your own(wikipedia) .

By the way, guess how your wikipedia defined rapture?

Google it.

Rapture definition from wikipedia
The rapture is an eschatological term used by certain Christians(perhaps primitive christians, not all) particularly within branches of American evangelicalism, referring to PURPORTED end time event...

Mark the word PURPORTED
Purported means it is said to be true or real but definitely not true or real.

gabrielahamz:
Please, let's all learn to spell properly..

thanks

evesdon4u:
"Neglate" abi "Neglect"...abeg check your topic OP!

to was a typing error.
Thanks for the correction

hamer:
God changes every calculation either right or wrong

thats a lie!
God will never break his rules.

All your calculations must be right or you fail worefully

Solstar:
Are you saying that if I go on fasting on the mountain for 40 days and 40 nights, that Jehovah will not manifest me a private jet loaded with jet fuel?

Try your luck

duality:
Im quoting you.. Because you will be saved only by fervently prayers not rules.. Go and ask for mercy.

This is directed to you. If you like, take what i just told you for granted.

you cannot impose your african traditional beliefs on people ok.
Come out with scriptures and prove that fervent prayer saves thats what we need
Saves from what? You did not specify, because you are not of what you are saying.

When christ thought his disciples how to pray he made simple short 1 minute prayer and straight to the point.

Must you keep killing yourself

proverbs 22:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it

Many christians are suffering today because they simply lack knowledge owing to the fact they were either not sent to school by their parents or they did not learn trade or some kinda vocationals.

Many other christians who were sent to school or some informal education also have attitudinal problems because of poor parenting issues.

Now, if you are a christian and you have these problems mentioned above, know that there is absolutely nothing the blood of Jesus can do to help you.

If you are the type that attends fire fire churches like mountain of fire, mountain of liberty or liberation city, redeem christian church of God, die by fire, i mean my foot ministeries, thinking that they are the solution to your problems? You are deceiving yourself.

Some of these christians never had parent to be with them when they were growing up or they were brought up in a polygamous condition were there are several other siblings to cater for with little or no resources available, yet they want prayer to do miracle.



Every problem you are going through in life originates from the way you were brought up by your parents

To this effect, there is need for proper parenting.

We are celebrating childrens day today, i pray that God should open our eyes and give us the insight to stand by our children and give them the proper up bringing they deserve .

Amen

Kenneth4u205:
physically there's nothing wrong with that. But it is very wrong spiritually.Let me explain how itdefiles a church spiritually.There must be a winner or loser in any soccer game.during the course of the game,the fans of the losing team gets angry,depressed and sad.spiritually,Demons feed off on this negative emotions or energy of anger,sadness and depression.So the fans of the losing team end up filling up the church with negative emotions .Demons now are given the legal right to come into the church in order to feed on those negative emotions as well as possesssome people .while the fans of the winning team make fun or mockery of the fans of the losing team.mockery is also a form of negative energy which invites more demons into the church in order to feed.So you can see how a simple thing as watching soccer inside a church gives demons the legal right to come inside the church to feed on negative emotionsand possess people.positive emotion bring more the light and presence of God into a church.while negative emotions repels away angels and attract demons into a church

rubbish excuses!
If you are that emotional not everyone are like that

darol4real:
I felt like crying seeing this kind of nonsense again....is this how they convert souls now? well, it is not all churches are founded by God himself......

mumu talk,
How champions league final affect souls negatively?

Is it not fun to watch football finals again whats your problem?

Rubbish mumu post

vaxx:
that is a big mistake on you. Is like what those ronaldo knows about Liverpool since he is not a liverpoolian. Aren't they the same football club.

it does not follow like that!
You have to be in the same technical department with a colleage who is trying to explain to you some technical faults in machines operated by your company for you as a casheer to understand what he is saying .

Finance department and technical department are not the same.

And a medical student may not understand some technical terms law students are used to, unless he start practicing law himself .

Technically, the word rapture do not appear in the bible, christians are reading somėthing else in the bible and they misunderstood them to be rapture because the developers of the rapture doctrine did the same mistäke teaching people to do the same.

the doctrine was developed some cenuries ago by some primitive christiáns and it is still widely accepted till now does not mean that the doctrine is true.

You are not a christian forget it.
Only christians who read their bible will understand