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hopefulLandlord:
I did not say colonisation united Africans, I said it played "a role" in it. However I insist Christianity is not and can never unite anybody. all Christianity does is go to already united civilisations and sell them Christianity

Were the Yorubas ununited before the missionaries came? Were the Igbos not united before the missionaries came? were the hausasnot united before Dan Fodio came to the area? all these tribes were already united and they conducted businesses intertribally despite not understanding their various languages. However there were still some level of misunderstanding till we adopted elementary form of English which blurred the little barrier we had left

All Christianity does is pretend to give us something we already had and then claim they did give it to us

OK!
Christianity did not bring the unity, atleast it helps to some extent sustain the unity, that's what I'm saying.

hopefulLandlord:
I disagree!

Colonisation played "a role" in uniting Nigerian tribes and cultures NOT Christianity, Christianity is NEVER a tool of unity and can NEVER be a tool of unity

I did not say colonization did not unite Africans. I say colonization bring about change of dressing mode among Africans.

If you say churches are not uniting Africans it shows you have not been attending church.

This days, kumuyi they watch dstv like mad for him sitting room (thanks to Jerry) and there are some church members who still have that old belief that having TV at home is a sin thereby cutting themselves away from the general world at their own peril (not kumuyi again).

That is their own cup tee

You want to know that God exist?
It's simple!

Look at christians you will see God himself .

The Christian faith on earth as a religion is the major proof or evidence of the existence of God. Heb 11:1.

God is not seen that's why they doubt his existence.

If God do not exist you will never hear people shouting JESUS ! JESUS !
whether they are shouting the name ignorantly or otherwise.

African cultures is what has infected christianity negatively.
The only effect of christianity on African culture which i don't see it as a negative effect is how christians are now conditioned to prefer white man dressing of suit and tie over the local agbada and buba and wrapper, ankara, kaftan, or the Igbo traditional attire.
I think it is largely due to colonization not just only christianity.

I must say, christianity has played a better role in uniting the nigerian tribes and cultures but the wrong values and beliefs of African cultures(not the good ones) have not complicated the good values and morals found in the bible. That is the biggest problem of Africa today

CodeTemplar:
Those guys are unreachable via the SM. Their imams are their only channel to the outer world.

atleast some of them are still connected

If you are a youth from any of these states :
Sokoto, kano,kaduna,adamawa, gombe, yola, nasarawa, bornu, kebbi, Niger, kogi, etc

Please indicate by saying "I" or "aye" if you still feel like voting buhari back come 2019. Or say "nay" if you don't feel like voting him back anymore.

As for me, I'm from Kano state. I'm saying capital letter "NAY"

nans24:
I'm a donkey, I see bushfire thinking it's fire ball from the sky

that's true! Go back to the bush and look again.

hopefulLandlord:
This is one of the things Adeboye passionately preaches against lol

He'll say you should tithe first even if it means you have nothing left for upkeep as your faith would sustain you haha

ignoring the scripture that says faith without works is dead?

This babalawo sori, baba adeboye sef

budaatum:
I know people who haven't paid last term's school fees for their children but don't miss their tithes!

if one must pay tithe, it should be the last thing he or she should think of, after settling all expenses especially school fees for the children.

Leftover money is what should be used for tithing and giving to the poor (assuming pastors were poor)

mystiquemaestro:
Please tell, what is wrong with the teachings of Kumuyi to the society, and how is the edifice a waste?

You seem to have a lot of sense and you could share a little out of it

first of all! before the likes of kumuyi started preaching we already having a faulty society so the problem is not from them.
In a bid for people like kumuyi of fix the moral problems of the society, they preach holiness which shows their good intention, but they are doing it with a conservative approach. That is even compounding the problem rather than solving it.

I will remind you that, just like this edifice that is celebrated now because of it beauty today, the deeper life camp ground at Lagos-ibadan express way was even more celebrated years ago. But it never yielded moral fruits to the society. Rather, the society is deteriorating in moral values by the day.
Why?
Because of the conservative traditional approach adopted by preachers to please conventional traditional Africans when they are preaching holiness.

For instance, ladies on trousers are not African traditional way of dressing it has been like that before kumuyi came.
Ladies on trousers is not a moral value but deeper life says it is immorality. That's why you see deeperlife ladies on long skirts and buggy gowns looking old even when they are young.
Meanwhile, the simple moral rule that has caused development in other foreign societies of the world is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF which deeperlife hardly enphasied on.
Not just only deeperlife, but all churches and mosques as well.

nans24:
No wonder Nigeria is still a shithole. .

As you dey see pisshole dey fall from sky ehh?
Nor go check yourself first

Which adeboye go die?
That man were like money pass anything?
Even if na God call am say Mr man, your time don reach, the man go protest.

Baba God o, I never enjoy my private jet and tithe were i collect finish i o

OOH ! MY GODDDD!!!

Another ogogoro drinker seeing hallucination

Oya, one shekpe for daddy adeboye too.
But you go use your tithe money pay o

jiggaz:
A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

In 51 AD, almost 20 years after the Resurrection, the Apostle Paul became the first to reveal the incredible secret that would become known as the Rapture of the Church. He did this in his earliest written communication, his first letter to the Thessalonians (1 Thes. 4:16-17), repeating it four years later in a letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 15:51).

From Thessalonians we know that at the Rapture, the dead in Christ will rise first to be followed immediately by believers who are left and still alive. Concerning living believers, Paul’s letter to the Corinthians explains that in the twinkling of an eye, we’ll be changed from mortal to immortal, bypassing death altogether. Either way, in less than an instant we’ll all arrive together in Heaven.

As an aside, those who dispute this doctrine claim that the word rapture doesn’t appear in the English translation of either of Paul’s letters cited above (nor anywhere else in scripture for that matter) and of course they’re correct. The original Greek word Paul used to describe the rapture in 1 Thes. 4:17 is harpazo, usually rendered “caught up” in English translations.

Because of the growing dominance of the Roman Empire in Biblical times, Latin was fast replacing Greek as the world’s common language and so about 400 AD the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek into Latin. Harpazo became raptus, the Latin root of the English word rapture. It means “the transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven.” So it’s the Latin version that gave the event its name. Our current English translations are taken directly from the earlier Greek texts, and that’s why the word rapture doesn’t appear in them.

Why The Delay?
But why didn’t the Lord announce the whole issue of salvation for the Gentiles including the Rapture of the Church during his time here? Two reasons. First, Israel had to receive a bona fide offer of the Kingdom. His commitment to them was clear. The first time He sent the disciples out to minister, He told them, “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. (Matt. 10:5) And later when the disciples asked Him to respond to a Gentile woman whose daughter needed healing, He at first declined saying, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matt. 15:23-24) Before He could expand His ministry to the Gentiles, He had to fulfill His promise to Israel.

So just as he had offered reconciliation to the Amorites in Abraham’s time, knowing in advance that they would reject Him, (Gen. 15:16) the Lord extended His offer of a Kingdom to Israel. And of course Israel did reject His offer by attributing the power behind His miracles to Satan, (Matt. 12:22-37) and eventually accusing Him of blasphemy (Matt. 26:65). This rejection was confirmed to them in the parable of the tenants (Matt. 21:13-44). But the pre-determined order of first the Jew then the Gentile (Rom. 1:16) had to be observed. (Prophetic Scriptures tell us Israel will get another chance, and the next time they’ll accept.)

Second, knowing before history began that the Jews would reject Him the first time, the Lord had always planned to extend His offer of salvation to the Gentiles, and that meant something really dramatic had to happen. Gentiles were even worse sinners than Jews, who at least made periodic attempts to obey. But for 4000 years the Lord had demonstrated through His people that no level of excellence in human behavior could ever meet His requirements for salvation. And even with the most complex religious system ever devised, the most expensive house of worship ever built, the most detail conscious people ever created, and the most aggressive sacrifice of innocent blood ever undertaken, the final score at the end of the Dispensation of Law was zero souls saved through religious works. (Rom. 3:20)

At Least Somebody’s Listening
Well, He didn’t convince them but He did convince Satan, who believed that eventually all of humanity would wind up with him in the lost column of the ledger, Jew and Gentile alike. Surely then the Lord would have to rescind his judgment against Satan (Isaiah 14:16-21). After all, was he any worse than sinful mankind? Hadn’t they also rebelled, tried to set up their own kingdoms, and even tried to become their own God? The God Who is Love couldn’t stand by and let all his precious children go to hell just to punish Satan, could He? And if He bent the rules for them, He’d have to bend for Satan.

Surprise, Surprise
But no one knew what the Lord had cooked up to solve this problem. Having known from the beginning that we couldn’t save ourselves by our works, He had determined in advance that He would save us by our faith. That meant someone qualified to do so would have to step up and pay the penalty for our sins for us. Then God could promise us that if we accepted this substitution in faith, we would be saved.

Of course the only One qualified to do this for us was God Himself. So He did. He Who had no sin was made a sin offering for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Cor. 5:21) And as a special blessing for “believing though we have not seen” (John 20:29) He even went so far as to make His Church a separate classification of humanity, (Ephe. 2:15) giving us a pre-imminent place in His Kingdom, and promising to take us out of this world to be with Him forever in a secret, sudden departure we now call the Rapture. And though we can look back and see hints of His plan all through the Old Testament, (Isaiah 49:6 for example) neither Satan, the leaders of Israel, nor even the Lord’s closest disciples realized that His death on the cross was intended to accomplish all this.

“None of the rulers of this age understood it,” Paul wrote, “For if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.” (1 Cor. 2: Implicit in the phrase “rulers of this age” is a reference to Satan, whom Paul called “the god of this age” in 2 Cor. 4:4. If Satan had known that his efforts to defeat the Lord by killing Him would result in his own total defeat, he would have done anything he could to prevent it.

I’ve Got A Secret
For these reasons the Rapture of a largely Gentile Church had to be kept secret. It was part of God’s secret wisdom, Paul said, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began (1 Cor 2:7). Paul was not authorized to reveal this until nearly 20 years after the Lord’s death, when it was too late for anyone to do anything about it, but it’s what he meant when he wrote to the Colossians, “And having disarmed the powers and authorities (by paying the penalty for our sins) He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.” (Col. 2:15).

(It’s easy to forget that up until Peter’s vision and subsequent visit to the home of Cornelius detailed in Acts 10, most believers had come from among the Jews. The acceptance of Gentiles into the Church didn’t become official policy until the council at Jerusalem 13 years after that in Acts 15.)

What was to have been Satan’s great victory has resulted in his total defeat. Now the only ones on his side of the ledger will be those who choose to be there by rejecting God’s offer of pardon. Their choice relieves God of the responsibility. He still grieves over them, but can’t override their sovereign right to choose their own destiny. And since they’ve chosen to join him, Satan can’t use them as leverage to get a better deal for himself.

In Closing …
The enormity of God’s Gift of Grace, made available to Jew and Gentile alike and sealed with the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is something so unbelievable that neither Paul nor any other Apostle was ever able to adequately describe it. The best Paul could do was to borrow a passage from Isaiah, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him” (1 Cor. 2:9). Amen to that.

And so one day soon, with no prior warning and at a time when the world least expects Him, the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17) There is no precedent condition, nothing that must happen first, except that if you want to be included you have to give your heart to Him who’s coming before the trumpet call sounds. Better do it right away, for if you listen carefully you can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 06-13-04


https://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-end-times-according-to-jesus-part-4-why-didnt-the-lord-mention-the-rapture/#more-182

It will supprise you that you are quoting 1 cor 15: 51 and 1 thes 4:16-17 out of context just like churches are currently doing.
Because a thing is generally accepted by churches does not mean it is right.
If you read the whole chapter of these verses, you will agree with me that the emphasies laid here is resurrection of the dead and not rapture.
They are simply saying that, when we resurrect our body will change, we will be given a new body to continue living on.

Therefore, there is nothing like rapture.

And hapazo or caught up is not rapture. Rather, caught up is a term used to describe how christians will interact in the air (in the air means heaven which is already here on earth) after they resurrect.
Remember,the emphasises is resurrection.

The summary of the whole matter is, through the sin of Adam and ever death came or mankind lost eternal life.
Jesus resurrected and restored back that eternal life such that, just like the way he ressurected we shall all be resurrected.

Not rapture!

ipobarecriminals:
breathtaking. Freeze,u are invited. to com and wail

my only concern is, will this 5 billion naira building improve the moral values of church members?
If they continue with the kinda teachings of kumuyi i don't think so .
The church fine but the access road nor good.
That is to let you know that this edifice is futile to the society .
A waste!

When Nigerians go get sense?

Na still part of daddy freeze work na!.
Tithe don drop so salary must drop too

khiaa:
What is gay about him?

abeg help me ask her o

MissRaine69:
No my dear he is as gay as they come.

The man eyes don open,
When it first happened to me it took almost 2 hours for me to get myself.
So,all these tithe is used to pay, all the money have gone solo like that?

Chineke!

Theolenah:
Will you keep shut!
RCCG has outreaches round Nigeria providing food,clothing and education for the poor.
The CRM employs thousands of nigerians,the ppl building rccg churches are earning.
Most of you are BASTARDS OF FAITH.
Go and read your bible and not you preachers.
Are you serving God or man?
God said pay tithe,do it even if ur Pst is stealing it
Pst Adeboye has spoken the truth,a robber cannot be with God in heaven.
So I'll appreciate if you can keep shut.

First class thief

Blessinq1:
Why did he cover the most important part naah? Btw..his ass is too big

reserve that one for his future

Grayjoy:
I don't deal with because of religion, creed, age, race, sex etc. I deal with people who are worthwhile and help the cause of human existence. I can tell a mirage when I see one. So I knw a fake one When I see one. I commend those living up to the standard.

its ok.
So long we keep to simple rules of love, we are good

Grayjoy:
That life was confirmed in d apostles giving rise to that name.
There is a different btw someone who committed a sin and someone living in sin. I knw, U knw that there are people living the christian way. Except u wan2 slight them.

look, all those ones portraying themselves to live in the so called christian way are all living in mirrage or delusion.

The only christian way recognized by the scripture is simply believing in Christ.
If anyone tries to live differently by distinguishing his or herself for people to see their peculiarity, it is a general thing, anyone can do that.
A Muslim can choose to distinguish himself, he should be commended.
Same thing with a christian.

So, i will adjurn you to treat everyone equally irrespective of their religion or beliefs .

Don't say this one is a christian he lives the christ-like life, the other person is not.

Grayjoy:
Faith without work is dead.
The lifestyle we are talkn abt is nt what the jews, atheists or muslims can live, except they are christ-like.
No amount of philantropism can meet up with it, no amount of kindness can beat that mark.
It's a life beyound our own power and will. Unfortunately many of us can't attain dat mark. That life is what is called christianity, it's beyound sunday jamborees and being present in church. Once u are living that live, people around will bear witness of it.

so far, no one has ever bear witness that anyone except Christ has ever lived that life, confirming what the scripture says in 1 John 1:8
If we say we do not commit sin, then we made ourselves lairs

Are you now saying that Christ came to die in vain?
Are you suggesting that until christians live some kind of a perfect life they are not worthy to be called christians?

Iceflox:
Mummy o

don't tell me you are scared of this type, how old are you ?

Grayjoy:
There was a religion, yes I agree. But this religion is named "christianity" because those practicing that religion were living like and behaving like d founder of dat religion nt just believing in him.

very true!
But like i said before, we are looking at the end and not the means.
The end or the reason for everything is eternal life. John 3:16.

We are justified into eternal life by our faith not our works.
What happened at Antioch was simply works.
Works is good, but even the Jews were doing works of the law long before Jesus came.
Just like what christians did at Antioch they were doing good as well.

Today we have Muslims and athiests doing good even more than christians. Does that mean they are saved?
I don't think so

CherryRivera:
my heart skipped a beat or two... He looks delicious

I love your courage and sincerity

Hildalicious:
Oh my God, this is beautiful

you are a very sincere person

Grayjoy:
Our faith? That is farfetched from the reason why the apostles were first called "christians" in Antioch. They were called so because they saw that these behave and act exactly like christ. Their lifestyle not their faith. Not because they believed that Jesus is the saviour (although that is part of it). U'll agree with me that many even prostitutes have faith in God. But can u call a prostitute a christian? How will u react if the prostitute u met a few hours ago is leading the chorus in the church u visited?
Christian means christ-like, originated in Antioch used in referring to the apostles.

ok, you are following the origin of the name christianity.

Let me remind you that name do not matter.
What matters is that there was a religion, and that religion is what is known as christianity today.

The religion has existed long before the event at Antioch even though it got it name at Antioch.

At the point of Christ resurrection, that's when the religion started.
Without resurrection no salvation.

Antioch did not save anybody or give anyone eternal life.
Get that?