₦airaland Forum

Maestro21:
True pastors are not afraid of critics or criticism. They know it must come because Jesus said it will.

you are still misquoting scriptures again like your pastor just did, perhaps they are teaching Nigerians to do so.
Jesus did not say criticism must come, he said offence must come.
Offence and criticism are not the same.
Offence was not desirable in anyway but criticism is good especially for the purpose of correction every public figure should embrace criticism cos no one is perfect we all make mistakes sometimes, and when we do, we correct ourselves when the people who are affected of our wrong doing speaks out.

And it is very wrong not to speak out simply because the one who is doing the wrong is a pastor or imam. Pastor Chris is openly teaching Nigerians to continue with this very wrong mindset.
It's not like that elsewhere o

There is no wisdom in excluding yourself from criticizing your leaders except you don't know that they are actually doing wrong or you don't know how to say your criticism.

If buhari is not performing then he should be criticized vehemently by all Nigerians.

A criticism well said is very good, and a welcomed development don't mind these pastors

And as for your interpretation of the story, you sir are the one wrong. To prove this, I implore you to post the exact scripture you are referring to so we can see if David did criticize Saul.

1 Sam 26:20 Now therefore, let not my blood fall to the earth before the face of the LORD: for the king of Israel is come out to seek a flea, as when one doth hunt a partridge in the mountains.

Now, the emboldened was actually an insult to the King. A whole King of Israel chasing a flea(insect) in the mountains? (even children of slaves have better things to do)
That is criticism to the highest order

But guess how Saul took that criticism?
He welcomed it and repented of chasing David at that moment.
Read it.
1 sam 26:21 Then said Saul, I have sinned: return, my son David: for I will no more do thee harm, because my soul was precious in thine eyes this day: behold, I have played the fool, and have erred exceedingly.

If Saul who was wicked could say this, then pastors today should say more when they are criticized of their wrong doing.

But non of them have ever

Please ignore these pastors, they don't worth it

Pastor Chris is wrong here.
David in the bible instructed his followers not kill King saul is not the same thing as instructing them not to criticize him.
Infact, if you read the end of that story David openly criticized King Saul for leaving his throne and hunting him to kill him in the wilderness.

Why are these pastors afraid of criticism to the extent of misquoting scriptures just to get people not to criticize them when they do wrong?

You can't continue to fool people this modern day.

This man is a good marketer who attract only the vulnerable.

Look at his cheap marketing kit everyone are putting on for advertisement

Money ritual exist in the minds of the feebles.
There is nothing like money rituals

ELPRESIDENTE:
Mathew 24:8-13
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13. He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

op, I totally agree with all you have been saying.
But i want to ask this scripture above. Who are the HE in the blue cloured above mentioned by Jesus?

And why did he say, the same shall be saved?
Saved from what?

Ok

Op, you have said so many lies before you finally quote scriptures and the worst is, you quoted Malachi.

Since they have been collecting money how many needs have they met??

It's seems you are deliberately ignoring what has been going on recently about this tithe issue and can't catch people mugu again,
Not this generation

Ahahhaaaahaaha

Dogwash

True!
It's unbiblical,
But believers of Mary time are still alive today praying for us which may include Mary herself. You cannot dispute this one saying that it is unbiblical,
Can you?

Sadusky:
Just a simple question. What exactly makes life so sweet that you enjoy a lot. Just curious.

you can make your life to be sweet yourself it depend on you.

Life is not a bed of roses until you make it one. That's why God created Adam and says be fruitful and replenish this earth.
He didn't say be fruitful and wait until i come rapture you

I can write anything and post it online and trust me, that's a shared madness.
You don't just come up with stories without any sign or evidence of truth.
Where is the dead person?
Where are his family members rejoicing confirming that their love one actually resurrected?
How many family members are confirming this?
What mortuary in edo state?
What department is the student at Ambrose Ali university?
Who are his course mates that confirmed this?

If the writer of this story have all these facts on ground then he can go ahead and upload videos of people confirming this mystery that it actually happened.

But because the writer has understood that Nigerians will believe anything so long a pastor is mentioned, he thinks he can fool everyone like that?

Did oyedepo lay hands on him
why then is he mentioning oyedepo ?

These people will simply just do anything to create the impression that it was God of oyedepo, yet the oyedepo will not give any of them money for their addictive willingness to promote his ministry, they will remain poor while the oyedepo becomes richer

Omonoba1:
That of Uniben is actually better.

you people did not upload this is uniben on nl

I saw this is uniben version the other time

Mynd44:
https://www.nairaland.com/4552242/fayose-asked-obj-submits-himself

obviously, it's the same article

HigherEd:
Pvc alone would not help Nigeria either. Was it not with your pvc you voted buhari to power?
The combination of whatever things to put nigeria on the right path is welcome.

who say i voted for buhari?
Get your pvc now that you know that buhari government is a flop, you don't need going to church and shouting amen!!
The mistake was made in 2015 not in church, so the solution can never be found in the church but in getting your pvc ready for 2019

The Governor of Ekiti State, Ayodele Fayose, has asked former president Olusegun Obasanjo to stop raising alarm on an alleged plot to arrest him, and be ready to go to jail.

In a statement on Friday, Obasanjo had accused the government of President Muhammadu Buhari of plotting to hang a crime on him.

But Fayose said Obasanjo deserved whatever “humiliation” he gets from the current administration.

He also told Buhari to be careful because he would not be president forever.

“Nigerians are being humiliated and tried every day by the dictatorial government of President Muhammadu Buhari that he (Obasanjo) helped to enthrone,” he said in a statement.

“Some of us have gone through trials before and we are not afraid of trials even today.

“The President can go ahead and arrest Obasanjo if he desires but he should remember that what goes around comes around. He won’t be President forever too. After all, they have been intimidating and humiliating former President Goodluck Jonathan and his wife.”

Fayose referred Obasanjo to page 96 of My Watch, his autobiography.

“I prefer him (Buhari) to jail me than Jonathan to return to destroy this nation,” Obasanjo wrote in the book.

Fayose said since Obasanjo preferred to be jailed by Buhari, he should not be afraid to go to prison.

He said Obasanjo refused to speak when Buhari’s government allegedly harassed people in the past.

“When other Nigerians were at the receiving end of President Buhari’s dictatorship, Obasanjo was going in and out of the Presidential Villa.

“Where was he when Col. Sambo Dasuki (rtd) was arrested and detained since 2015 despite court orders for his release? When over 1,000 members of the Nigeria’s Islamic Movement were killed in Zaria and their leader, Ibrahim El-Zakzaky arrested and dumped in detention since 2016 despite of court orders, what did Obasanjo do?

“Where was Obasanjo when armed men of the DSS invaded the Ekiti State house assembly and abducted one of its members? Did Obasanjo travel out of Nigeria when judges were being arrested in the night in a Gestapo manner?

“Obasanjo lacks moral rights to complain about Buhari’s government because himself and the President have been partners for over 40 years. It was when President Buhari served as Minister of Petroleum and NNPC Chairman in 1977 under Obasanjo that N2.8 billion oil money went missing from the accounts of the NNPC in Midlands Bank, United Kingdom.

“Both Buhari and Obasanjo are already spent forces and have gone senile. Nigerians no longer need the two old men and the more they fight themselves, the better for the country.”


lalasticlala, mynd44

Op, atheists are unbelievers let's call a Spade a spade.

There is nothing like i believe and I had not taken step of faith.
If anyone has believed from the beginning that is already step of faith that is required for his salvation he doesn't need any further step

Ok o,
How will that change the economy of this country and reduce corruption and political unrest?

Pls get your pvc, leave prayer and amen shouting

Talking about the word LOVE , is there anything like that in the Quran?
Is it there in any of these African traditional IFA reference books?

Because, it is more powerful to say i love you than to say i want to live in peace with you.

Religion teaches that the holy book is more valuable than human lives.

Religion is evil

Religion has caused more harm than good by putting people in ignorance than enlightening them .

People now kill and maim fellow humans in the name of fighting for their religion.

They are not fighting for Allah, they are only statisflying their hunger for human blood, and Allah will angrily purnish them all.

Any christian who is angry that a mere book called bible is torn and start killing people, the almighty shall cause that fellow to die like fowl.

Any Muslim who is angry that a mere book called Quran is torn and start killing fellow human being, almight Allah will cause that person to die in hunger like abandoned goat in the desert.

Anybody tearing bible or Quran openly just to cause religious war or outrage in this nation full of foolish barbaric and ignorant religious extremists, na God go save you because you are equally mumu like them.

estheragha:
[s]The Lord has said that when there are frequent famines and earthquakes on earth, be warned that they are the beginning of sorrows. What it means is that that would be the beginning of the Great Tribulations. Frequent occurrences of calamities are the warning signs of the tribulation to come. Of course, there have been earthquakes on the earth since the beginning, and they still exist today. In other words, earthquakes have always occurred. However, the thing is that from now on, earthquakes will be occurring all over the world at the same time.

< Matthew 24: 3-4, 7-14 > “ Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of age? And Jesus answered and said to them, ' Take heed that no one deceives you....... For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

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hungry author that misunderstood scriptures

All these things have passed already, they all happened as at the time Jesus christ came on earth to die which the Jews saw a long time before his coming to die on the cross as the signs of his coming to die

Don't go and enjoy your life first.

My guy there is nothing like rapture in the bible.
Please enjoy your life, life is sweet

ScienceWatch:
I receive the call of the OP. I am a sinner Lord JESUS.
Come into my heart mighty Jesus, wash me with your precious blood. Save my soul today.

Amen.

my guy if you are christian and not a Muslim you don't need Jesus to help you repent.

Christ has already died for you that one has been settled forever, whether you sin or not to it is inconsequential.

But if have sinned and you want to repent simply stop sinning, you don't need christ to do that.

Christ is not human being that put people in his heart until they apologize or request for forgiveness .

Christ don't need your apology, what he need from you is your faith which you have already gotten in him, so there is nothing wrong with you.

oh!
thief thief pastor

Another evidence that all deliverance conducted by all churches are fake

bloodofthelamb:
Tell me is everyone who is in church a christian?

they are all Christians an are all saved or do you see any Muslim in church except he was invited?

bloodofthelamb:
It also serves as a reminder to those who has done it to remain steadfast in their faith.

if the op includes that then you are on point

2: The foundation of our salvation rest upon what Jesus has done and not on what we are doing or will do. Once you miss these you miss all. It does not matter if you a pastor, an evangelist, or usher, if your heart and mind is far from Him your works are worthless.

is there anything a pastor or an evanjelist can do that will undermine their faith in christ?
I don't think so, because they are already Christians.
So it is fruitless to direct the message to them, rather the message should be directed to non christians

bloodofthelamb:
The op is calling everyone to consciously surrender their heart and mind to the one who died for them

everyone?
How about those who have already done this before?

both church goers who think they are save by attendance but their innermost being is far from the Lord.

and you are ignoring the role of the religion( faith)of these church attendance when it comes to their salvation?

Do you see what I'm driving at?

bloodofthelamb:
The way I will preach to a Buddist is the same way I will preach to a Muslim. Our gospel is Christ and him crucified for our sins. The same way I am calling a pagan to believe in Christ to be saved from sin and death, that is the same way the Spirit through me is calling a Muslim to faith in Christ.

Anything outside this is mans wisdom.

good!
I did not see anything in the definition of what it means to give your life to christ in the op indicating that our gospel was meant for non Christians that's why I'm saying that something is incomplete in that definition .

And the worst is, there are adverse implications for that negligence in today christianity

bloodofthelamb:
Paxonel, we are on the same page here. But I don't know why you are picking on me?

The foundation of Christlikeless is absolute believe in Christ Jesus from the heart. Every other thing flows and is achieved through our trust in Christ. We will begin to genuinely love our neighbour as our selves. Walking in the will of God becomes natural and effortless through our heart resting in Jesus.

It will be longer us who live but Christ who live and love through us.

The heart and mind believing/trusting/resting in Christ is everything but if you disagree with me, what can I say than to say goodluck.

i am not disagreeing with you on all these. All what you have been saying were not wrong.
But they were still lacking in those things i mentioned in my last post which should be the first priority of getting people to believe in christ in the first.
It's either you are not reading what I'm showing to you or you are not understanding, because I'm expecting your response to address how giving your life to christ correlates with the faith or religion i mentioned.

Let me put it in a clear practical terms and ask, may be you will understand what I'm driving at, from here.

have you ever preached to Covert a Muslim before?

bloodofthelamb:
Do you really get it? What gospel are you talking about? Do you not know that Jesus Christ himself is the gospel(message).

yes! He is the gospel. And this is the gospel
Jesus Christ is the christian faith which is the church.
There are synonyms associated with Jesus Christ if you have been understanding the gospel. These synonyms include.
-God's kingdom on earth which is heaven or the kingdom of heaven
- the church or justified people
-faith
-christianity on earth

Anywhere you come across any of these in the scripture, they all mean one and the same thing which is Jesus Christ.
For instance, the church are people, these people were made perfect just like christ is perfect simply because they have faith or believe in christ( justified by faith).
therefore they are in God's kingdom or they are the kingdom themselves.
Subjects are used in place of objects and objects in place of subjects because they are all the same

bloodofthelamb:
Paxonel what is the difference between my op and what you posted? Can you point out the difference or flaws?

this is the idea of the op about the meaning of giving your life to christ


Believing in JESUS CHRIST is you enthroning him LORD of your thoughts always and in all things. Take the precious JESUS into your sub-consciousness, conscious and super-consciousness, then you leave there. It is what it truly means to believe and be saved.

And I'm saying that this definition of what giving your life to christ means is incomplete.
Incomplete in the sense that the definition did not present faith as christian religion which is the only criteria for one to be saved, rather it limited it to believing your life to christ.
It is very important that we carry the religion along when we are propagating the gospel because the religion is the gospel itself