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rabzy:
Once saved is not always saved. In fact a salvation is not sure until the prize has been received and that is why by enduring to the end, salvation is attained.

bible reference please!
Don't just talk because you hear people saying it

DavSagacity:
Yes Christ died for you once and for All. That's absolutely correct.

you have agreed on this because it is scriptural

However, if you go back and continue in the sins from which he saved you from, if you went back to continue to live in sin, to formulate and commit adultery ,to steal and to kill and eeath unfortunately meet you along the line before you could repent from those sins (because Grace has been abused) assuredly I say to you that there'll be no Grace after dead. So don't be deceived that ounces saved, forever Saved. it's the Greatest Lie from the pit of HELL

but this one you have just said, it is never scriptural but assumption. Or do you have any bible reference?

HigherEd:
So you are telling me that a person who believes in Jesus as lord and savior but is a serial rapist would make heaven?

it is understatement to say the person will make heaven. The person is already in heaven like that.

This is not to encourage evil like rape, but the fact still remain that irrespective of what we do

...Whoever believes should not perish but have eternal life.

It didn't say whoever believes should not perish but will have eternal life in the future.

There is a definite clause .

It's a free gift, not by works or by how righteous the individual is.

Many at times oyedepo and the rest will downplay this fact and make certain statements that are wrong, but because they are men of God, we find ourselves ignoring their errors

skydeexie:
QUESTION: Are you saying there are no Christians who have fallen away from the faith? Is the bolded in Hebrews 4 talking about unbelievers? Then I need to be educated on this. Did all the Jews that left Egypt made it to the promised land? And the same Bible says we should learn from their mistakes.

ofcourse there are Christians that have fallen away from the faith, but that didn't happen in one second.
So there is nothing like Christians having their names removed from the boko of life every seconds.

1 Corinthians 10 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Warnings from Israel’s History

10 I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same supernatural[a] food 4 and all drank the same supernatural[b] drink. For they drank from the supernatural[c] Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless with most of them God was not pleased; for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things are warnings for us, not to desire evil as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to dance.” 8 We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day. 9 We must not put the Lord[d] to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. 11 Now these things happened to them as a warning, but they were written down for our instruction, upon whom the end of the ages has come. 12 Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.


Question: Were these not all Children of Jacob and descendants of Abraham who believed in God and whom God called and promised to bless?

sorry, these children of Jacob and descendants of Abraham did not share the same covenant with christians, they couldn't possibly enjoy the Grace christians are enjoying today, so it is wrong to use their situation to analyze how God is judging christians.
Look for something better to do the analysis.

Edu3Again:
If u denounce Jesus, u have lost ur salvation.

Jesus Himself said "IF U ENDURE TILL THE END";which means if u dont follow to the end , u go loose ur salvation.

After all Judas Ischariot was an Apostle and he lost his salvation.

very true!
But that will not happen in a second as oyedepo is putting it

aligba4u:
Yes sir I pray � for GOD mercy upon my life Amen

which life?

Abeg go enjoy your like jo!
Leave that man

When christ has already set you free and see no fault in you and your sinfulness?

Who on this earth is claiming that na him holy pass?

skydeexie:
Are you sure you catch am? Here are some verses to help you for a start. (Jokes apart)

Matthew 7:21-27 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Concerning Self-Deception

21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’

Hearers and Doers
24 “Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.”

all those scriptures you just quoted did not specify that they are referring to Christians in any way. Rather, the phrase "EVERYONE" are used which shows that Christians are not involved.
For instance, not everyone or every disciple of Jesus in Jesus days who who called Jesus Lord Lord ended up seeing the kingdom of God. These disciples were never christians until christ resurrected.
And oyedepo is saying that Names are being blotted out in Heaven (Book of life) every second.
Which implies that Christians names are blotted because only Christians are found in the book of life.

Can you see the error in what this man is saying?
If you think very well you will see it, only that it's a bit technical.
But oyedepo can't continue to fool people like that

Hebrews 6 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Peril of Falling Away

6 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 with instruction[a] about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. [b]4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. 7 For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.

so, how does these scriptures shows that Christians names are being blutted out from the book of life every second?

Edu3Again:
I don't know the frequency but it is possible

it is not possible!
Scriptures assures that christ died for us once, and that's all.

The only condition that will make a christian lose his salvation is when he denounce his christian faith.

Denouncing christian faith does not happen in one second oyedepo himself knows that

Edu3Again:
1 Corinthians 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.


1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

non of these scriptures are saying that Christians names are being removed every second from the book of life as insinuated by oyedepo

Oyedepo the tactics Maradona

CodeTemplar:
If he does not preach outright salvation u guys complain now he is preaching it and you still twist it into tithe payment.

whether he is preaching salvation or not that is not the issue!
The issue is, he is saying what bible did not say

I catch am

gabicon:
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Rev 20:15

Revelation 3:5 New King James Version (NKJV)
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

do you realize what oyedepo says?
He is saying that Names are being blotted out in Heaven (Book of life) every second.

EVerÿ SECOND ?

Ahhhhhh!!!

Which scripture

Castedguy:
Romans Chapter 11:20-24

this is not scripture good enough to support oyedepos assertion

DavSagacity:
Where did he mention that if you dont give tithes you will go to Hell ??. must you showcase your hatred for preachers at every opportunity..?.
It's an Andvice. if you like you take it. if you don't like it then you leave it and take a walk.

this is no hatred my friend! The man is just giving wrong advice don't take it

truefact:
If it is a lie, then why worry about so called pastors and Christians doing evil.... This means, once a Christian, one can go on doing all sorts of evil... I rather go with oyedepo than people like you

don't get it wrong!
As a christian you are expected to use your discretion to avoid sin and not to avoid sin simply because you don't want to loose your salvation.
Which salvation that you will loose,
Salvation that was given to you freely ?

Oyedepo must be able joker

mikejimm:
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It is true my dear. Pls, see Exodus 32:33. Remain blessed!

that was for Israelites of the old covenant, not for today Christians

HigherEd:
DON'T BE DECEIVED.

Names are being blotted out in Heaven (Book of life) every second.

Big lie!!
where are scriptures?

This oyedepo sef

Na way to tell people say if them nor pay tithe them go miss heaven na him dey so

Any pastor asking you to pay tithe and be born again is a fake pastor

Daddy Freeze shared the post above yesterday after the Super Eagles beat Iceland 2-0. Accoridng to him, no pastor or gospel artiste, Nathaniel Bassey, can lay claim to Musa Ahmed's amazing skills during the match because he is a Muslim.

Emmanuel Ikubese felt disgusted by his post and took to his IG page to slam him. Read what Emmanuel posted below

''Am so sorry Fam..Not to take away the amazing victory of our super Eagles.. But please this is the most Damaging and Devilish post have seen in my entire life..This victory brought Nigerians together as ONE. No cultural differences or Religious differences we supported and Won as ONE. How can you say this MR FREEZE.. Gosh..You really need a BIG HUG...You are so bitter..May God help you..I love Nigeria..ONE NIGERIA...ONE LOVE''

It means that whereas people in the world are growing economically the pocket of the church is downsized

how are the church using their pocket money to entertain people like world cup is doing now with their money?

crafteck:
Im a Christian... This is bvllshit definition, a good home has nothing to do with religion, religion has nothing to do with character, each individuals character builds a home

if you were born into a Muslim home would you have been a christian yes or no

God will bless this pastor for this great work he has done!

May God bless people like these in our society

Op, you have not quoted any scripture that shows or prove that there are Christians without eternal life o.

I don't know where you are getting that lie from

spartan117:
1 Sam 26:20 Now therefore, let not my blood fall to the earth before the face of the LORD: for the king of Israel is come out to seek a flea, as when one doth hunt a partridge in the mountains.

Now, the emboldened was actually an insult to the King. A whole King of Israel chasing a flea(insect) in the mountains? (even children of slaves have better things to do)
That is criticism to the highest order

@paxonel
This was a metaphorical statement! It's amazing that you deduce this to be an insult. Anyone who payed attention when metaphors were being taught in secondary school will know this.

Stop lieing just to suit your beliefs.

so how does the metaphorical statement make the statement less an insult to the King?

Do you know what an insult implies?

Sometimes ,someone referring to dangote living in a mud house can be seen by dongote himself as an insult considering his financial status do you know that?

spartan117:
I wanted to type something, but I now see that maestro21 has already shown you the truth according to God's word. Let he who has an ear hear what the spirit is saying.

come up with something better than he has presented.

Did christ not made all Christians priests yes or no? It's in the scriptures o.

If the answer is yes, what's then is the difference between you and pastor Chris?

Maestro21:
You have a unique way of reading your own mind into plain scriptures. A mockery using the torah? Same book he quoted copiously to make even christian teachings?



No he did not chuckle. So your attempt at relating Paul's response to sarcasm is fraud. This shows you have your own beliefs and will try to force every verse of scripture to agree with you, even when they don't.



This is verbal gymnastics now. You have totalled veered off from the discourse to raise up another moot and obviously erroneous point. For you cannot claim a Pharisee that Paul was used the same torah he was sworn to uphold as a tool of mockery. It is disgraceful for a christian to even think much less say it.



I don't understand where this verse of reasoning came from and how it connects to your argument. You started with criticism and now you are talking about a division. If you want to make any christian arguments, please use scriptures or else, there is no point reasoning with you. I deal only with scriptures.



It is not an assumption the facts are staring at you.



Again projecting your own erroneous thoughts into the word of God. Paul was a Pharisee. He simply appealed to them so that his LIFE will be spared. That is similar to a Obama being arrested in Kenya when Kenyans are killing Americans and appealing to his captors that he is Kenyan by descent. What you are doing is called clutching at straws to save a dead argument. Paul did not believe that leaders of any sort should be criticised and he said so. PERIOD.



Irrelevant. Very soon you'd say we don't need Pastors.



Gymnastics again. Paul is the one who told us about our priesthood in the new birth yet he recognised and apologised to an earthly high priest who was not even Christian. Because that is the admonishing he got from Jesus.



Prove it from scriptures. That is what I have maintained ab initio.



To judge who and what? The only judgment the christian is to make is to judge AN ISSUE by the word. So Pastor Chris is not against shedding the light of god's word on an issue where error may have been subsisting. But he is vehemently against judging a person because it contravenes scripture.



Actually I am the only one quoting scriptures rightly. you have tried to force David, and now Paul into your argument but both have disagreed with you. I am simply warning you because I perceive you to be a christian who is only in error. I don't agree with many things many pastors say, but you would never see me criticising them because the word of God never approves that.



So far, only one person here is interpreting scriptures. You are the one being emotional: trying to fight a battle for God that he never sent you to do. Just stick to what he told you and watch his move in your life. I have tasted of that power from on high so I can sense it when I know someone else who has not. They usually talk the way you do i.e Force their personal opinions unto issues instead of letting God be the judge that he said he is and will be.

mteewwww!

You know i will never have time for people like you begging the question with so many unnecessary response

In practice, remain mute like a stone when a pastor steps on you or infringing on your rights saying he is a man of God that's your own.
Not all Christians are mumu like that

gwama:
You told the truth, why in Nigeria do pastoralists fear criticism? It is because they do not have a clear conscience and want to be considered as God on earth.

that's humans for you

"I'm sorry, brothers. I didn't realize he was the high priest," Paul replied, "for the Scriptures say, 'You must not speak evil of any of your rulers.'" Acts 23:5

this was not apology at all to the high Priest, it was actually a mockery statement further mocking the high priest and their laws don't you understand?

It's like someone saying I'm sorry, then he chuckles!

As if the mockery wasn't enough Paul actually caused division among the Pharisees and saducees(all Jewish leaders) who were friends at that time, if you read further you will see what I'm talking about, he never apologized for that division either.

Causing division is even worst than insulting them and the high Priest.

Let's assume it was apology according to you.
He apologize for one simple error and went further to do something disastrous as dividing the Pharisees and saducees does that make sense to you, can't you think?

Get it straight to your head that christ has made us priests we don't need any high Priest but Christ.

i have heard pastor Chris teaching that truth a number of times.
So, if one high priest who doesn't know christ ordered that Paul who was made Priest through christ to be slapped, among the two who should deserve the apology?
I leave that for you to answer

Pastor Chris is following scripture. Ask any one who listens to him or has done so even in the past. You would NEVER hear him speak critically of even Nigerian presidents who are easy targets. So this has nothing to do with only religious leaders.

I did not say pastor Chris is not following scriptures. I myself i learnt so much from him over the years, but this particular one he said we should not criticize leaders, he is wrong.
Christ has given us the power to judge what is right from what is wrong, so if pastor Chris chooses not to criticize that is his own personal decision and should not be a thing for all Christians.

The word of God is wisdom. Those who act contrary to it yet are children of the word are the people who should be warned. Like I am doing now.

so far, you have not been quoting the word rightly but your aim of quoting scriptures is to satistisfy your hunger of fully agreeing with everything pastor Chris is saying. So you find yourself warning those who do not fully agree like you are doing

I don't care about Pastors. I care about honouring the word of God.

how will you possibly know that you have been caring about pastors when you don't meditate with your head after reading scriptures, but being emotional?

Joshmodest:
Nigerians are lovers of religion.. sometimes u feel Jesus was born in Oshodi.... if we host world cup. I'm sure before every game... there will be opening prayer...

in 1999,we had prayer underground room at national stadium where prayer warriors from different denominations met and casting and binding as matches were going on, yet Nigeria did not win the cup in that crusade

Anigreat:





Try and mind your business

If you do not believe in prayer, just keep shut, there are people who believe and it works for them.

why didn't it work of super eagles?

Please what's the definition of prayer?
Because the way things are going, they do not match at all.

Today, many Christians have gone to church to pray again, yet no one is seeing any changes

There is no false gospel, rather we have false teachings.

The gospel is one. Which is :
JESUS IS THE CHRIST OR MESSIAH

all churches teaches this and it is never false

Since priests were not married over the years how did that help the catholic church?

It is a fact that the catholic church recently officially agreed that the earth is spherical in shape . Meaning, they have been sustaining falsehood for centuries inspite the glaring truth.
Certainly, one day they will wake up and abolish this non marriage for priests non sense