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 Christianity Etc › Re: Difference Between Working For God And Working For Church by paxonel(m): 4:06pm On May 13, 2018 |
Just2gud:religion is a mess to the society accept it or leave it. It is better to work for educational institutions and commercial establishments and help the needy, than to be fooling yourself saying you are working for God in church . Anyway, if I'm paid real good i will do the absolutely rubbish for the money |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: Those Attacking Me On Internet Would Be Sent Out Of This Country by paxonel(m): 4:00pm On May 13, 2018 |
| Christianity Etc › How Do We Worship God In Spirit And In Truth? by paxonel(op): 7:05am On May 13, 2018 |
This is one question many christians are confused about. Some christians who are conversant to their bible knows the answer already, but the answer scares them terribly. Now, here is the answer To worship God in spirit and in truth entails that the individual should believe in Christ that's all. John 4:22 Against the belief that to worship God implies to go to church and work, or to raise that holy hands and sing beautiful songs. Like i have said, it scares them terribly because they want to go to church cc: seun & lalasticlala : I don't need front page |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Difference Between Working For God And Working For Church by paxonel(m): 6:24am On May 13, 2018 |
whether paid or not what benefit has your church work imparted to the society? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: Those Attacking Me On Internet Would Be Sent Out Of This Country by paxonel(m): 1:31am On May 13, 2018 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: Those Attacking Me On Internet Would Be Sent Out Of This Country by paxonel(m): 1:26am On May 13, 2018 |
This man eh? So dem dey critize you since two months ago you nor talk, na now you dey respond? Na so you dey put people for mind? 111 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Prayer Change Destiny ? by paxonel(m): 8:36pm On May 12, 2018 |
Meti99:This is the same thing I'm telling him what's your problem? Yes, prayer cannot change destiny. But forces of darkness can alter ones destiny and make man a colossal failure.. That is why you need prayers to secure your destiny.you don't have any scripture for this your assertion. which forces of darkness be that? This modern day? Except the individual is not a christian. Even non christians are doing great exploit, no forces of darkness is stoping them how much more christians. And some times, man's will is different from God's will for him. So you need prayer to have revelation of what God wants for your life.the only prayer you need is the Lord's prayer, something short and straight to the point. Many a times, what we desire is different from what God wants for us, but prayer helps us to know the mind of God for our livesbig lie! It is only the bible that help us know the mind of God, not what comes out of your mouth as prayer. So, if you want to understand God's mind understand your bible first. Someone who understand what God want will go about doing God's will without being religious or prayerful. That is how God want us to be Jesus Himself prayed to change His destiny to die on the cross but He immediately told God that not His own will but God's own will be done.assuming after Jesus prayed he didn't die on the cross then what's the essence of the prayer? We Africans we like prayer a lot, but to do what we should be doing na wahalla 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 8:01am On May 12, 2018 |
Jacksonville:mediation or research, they are still the same thing. But revelation is limited, reading and understanding is far more better. God will never reveal everything to anyone mysteriously so anyone waiting for mysterious revelation will only die in ignorance. Everything we ever needed are written in the scripture only that we fail to read to our own understanding allowing laid down doctrines to dominate us. The kingdom of God is in a man,its within(luke17:21) and it's not physical. When a man is born of God, the spirit, he is quickened by the spirit to keep God's word because your natural strength will fail you except by the spirit of God.God bless you so much for this truth, you see what I'm talking about? I thought u said to become born again means to follow Christ which I agree with to an extent and let's assume U're right . But Jesus said except a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom. Why is it that all those 5000 that followed him didn't enterit is not all the 5000 that didn't enter the kingdom although all of them ran away initially, but few of them who still held their belief inspite that great tribulation and all that happened gathered again after the resurrection of Jesus. These are the ones that saw Jesus after the resurrection. They were the ones who made it sucessufully to the kingdom of God after that great tribulation and their number was later increased to 120 people in act 1:15. Today, this number has been increased to what we know as billions of uncountable christians worldwide thereby fulfilling the promise God gave to Abraham. Your decendants shall be numerous like the stars in the sky and the sands in the shores of rivers. So, born again sieze to exist the very day Christ was cruciified because it has achieved the purpose. Except a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom simply entails that Born again as at that time was the only way to the kingdom(John the Baptist was the only way to Christ because he first preached Christ or the kingdom), but by the preciding event that happened before the kingdom was established, not every born again who called Jesus lord lord ended up entering the kingdom. Even John the Baptist who founded the born again movement was killed, he never saw the kingdom. Hence, the least person in the kingdom is greater than him. Judas iscariot too was born again, he followed Christ like every other disciples, but he lost it at the very point of Jesus crucifixion his case was the most sympathetic |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 6:37am On May 12, 2018 |
JMAN05:ok, let's assume born again is a christianity thing. To answer your question, no! You have to be baptized into christianity first(very important) before you can be talking about born again or whatever And I used the word initiation there because, when people were baptized into a religion it was a formal ceremony of welcoming them into that religion. New born babies were also baptized too . Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what(religion) then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Meaning, there was a baptism to welcome people into the religion of John the Baptist. John the Baptist was not a christian, he founded a religion that was intermediate between Judaism and christianity paving the way for many Jews to come to Christ. He was a link to the way Jesus says I'm the way. Then, there is baptism unto Christ if you read further in act 19, which was totally different from baptism unto John the Baptist. It is baptism unto christianity which was a new religion as at that time, conducted by the early apostles and today christians. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 6:59pm On May 11, 2018 |
Jacksonville:what I will say now is done out of research. follow this dialogue carefully between Jesus and Nicodemus. Note that there was already a written prophecy about the events that will happen before the crucifixion of Jesus. Nicodemus was a master(only masters had access to the written scripts in those days) . Nicodemus perhaps came across the term born again in the script but he could not understand what it meant. So, when Jesus quoted the script to him by saying Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.(john 3:3) Nicodemus remembered that he came across something like that in the script, so he asked Jesus How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?(John 3:4) But Jesus told him, you must be born of water and of spirit. He was still confused Then Jesus told him Marvel not(meaning don't be confused) that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Jesus then came up with this parable The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.(john 3:8 ) Now, if you follow the formatt Jesus used to explain one of his parables in Matt 13:37-40. use that same formatt you will understand this parable as well The wind bloweth = the crowd of people following Jesus to Jerusalem where he was to be crucified (Jesus begins his journey from Galilee and ended it at Jerusalem) Every wind have direction where they are coming from and where they are going to. Nicodemus saw this crowd of disciples following Jesus(about 5000 disciples who eat five bread and two fishes), he did not understand where they are coming from and where they are going to. Remember, Jesus saw Peter, James and others, he asked them follow me, straight away they followed Jesus. That is how it all started. These crowd of disciples following Jesus are the born again according to the parable(so is every man that is born again. John 3:9 ) Now, the crowd of disciples nicodemus saw was fulfilment of the prophecy he saw in the script that is what Jesus wanted him to know and join the crowd. Why was there need of crowd of disciples following Jesus? Because, without them following Jesus they will not see Gods kingdom which was to be at Jerusalem their destination. Hence, Except a man(of that time, not now) be born again(follow Jesus) he cannot see the kingdom . That's why he told them, seek ye first the kingdom or strive to enter ye the gate which is the point of crucifixion at Jerusalem. So, to answer your question, Born again simply means to follow Jesus as at the time Jesus was yet to be crucified. (also known as the days of john the Baptist) And not all the disciples following Jesus calling him lord lord ended up seeing the kingdom at Jerusalem Matt. 7:21. Almost all of the 5000 of them ran away when Jesus was betrayed and captured. Hence, the prophecy few people will enter the kingdom came to pass All I'm saying is, it is only when you put everything in consideration that's the only way you will understand that born again means disciples following Jesus those times, not now again. The following seized to exist the moment Jesus was crucified which was the aim . Born again ends there. Currently, there is nothing like born again |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 1:25pm On May 11, 2018 |
Jacksonville:this is absolutely correct Confessionsconfess of sin and confessing christ are not the same thing. Confession of sin cannot bring salvation, it is confessing Christ that brings salvation Roman10:10 . For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.it is referring to confessing Christ here, not confession of sin Being born again is where your spirituality lies. You can't move or operate in the things of God without being born again.you are only assuming, you have to be very sure of what you are saying And how you become born again is when you're born of water n of the spirit. (john3:3-8 )as at the time Jesus met Nicodemus in John 3:3 there was no christianity, christianity only started after Jesus resurrected then how come born again is now associated with christianity? All I'm saying is, what Jesus meant by born again to Nicodemus is a different thing entirely Water Baptismwhen John the Baptist preached baptism of repentance and baptized people, were the people he baptized died to the flesh and raise up a new man in spirit? You are just mixing up things |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 10:53am On May 11, 2018 |
Zanas:anyway understand this now, Being born again cannot bring salvation. It is faith that brings salvation, Jesus says I'm the way the truth and the life, So Jesus is your faith. Being born again is not the same thing as the christian faith |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 9:21am On May 11, 2018 |
Zanas:prove that it is non sense you cannot. It is easy to talk but hard to defend your comment |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born-again And Baptism by paxonel(m): 8:33am On May 11, 2018 |
Ubongdemaga:baptism is any kind of ceremony to initiate new adherents to a religion. For christianity and Judaism the ceremony was water immersion. Take note : baptism was conducted on people who are willing to change their religion so being born again is totally out of it. Everyone are baptized, bad or good people alike. It is far more better to be baptized into christianity than to be born again |
| Christianity Etc › Re: You Want Rapture Soon Meanwhile You Don't Want To Die Soon. Very Ridiculous by paxonel(op): 8:26am On May 11, 2018 |
Hildalicious:you don't understand! The statement of Jesus you just quoted was referring to Jews of that time, not christians of today. There is nothing like the word rapture in the bible. It has never been mentioned anywhere in the scripture. Places in the scripture that seems to be talking about rapture are referring to something totally different if you read and understand the whole chapter. So, don't mind religion and churches. Enjoy your life |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Tithing Before The Law by paxonel(m): 9:20am On May 10, 2018*. Modified: 7:17am On May 13, 2018 |
Op, anything above or below 10% is not tithing. It is generous giving. 10% collection or tithing in churches is fraud. It was of Judaism and not christianity. Even Jews of this modern day don't pay or collect 10% anymore in their synagues 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: You Want Rapture Soon Meanwhile You Don't Want To Die Soon. Very Ridiculous by paxonel(op): 6:04am On May 09, 2018 |
Slikbae:forget spelling, you know what I'm talking about. The armed robber who was crucified with Jesus ,is there any armed robber that will not kill in the course of robbing people? What is he doing in Gods kingdom? He will still be robbing in God's kingdom don't underestimate God's grace |
| Christianity Etc › Re: You Want Rapture Soon Meanwhile You Don't Want To Die Soon. Very Ridiculous by paxonel(op): 5:57am On May 09, 2018*. Modified: 7:42am On May 11, 2018 |
Yes, Having said there is nothing like rapture, please enjoy your life on this earth. Life is sweet |
| Christianity Etc › You Want Rapture Soon Meanwhile You Don't Want To Die Soon. Very Ridiculous by paxonel(op): 2:58pm On May 08, 2018 |
Some times i wonder whether all these rapture proponents do hear themselves talking? You wish that very soon you will be carried away but you never one day think of commiting suicide and quickly go to heaven and leave this sinful world. Must you wait for rapture to come and help you do what is needful ? All i will tell you people is that, if rapture is the best wish of God to mankind he will not have created man on earth in the first place. If you being on earth is not the best will of God you will not find yourselves remaining here having carrier and source of income, cleaning up the mess in your environment, marrying and raising a family for yourselves and extending a helping hand to the needy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 2:41pm On May 07, 2018 |
denisbid:that is exactly the point I'm marking. They not lived once but they lived and died several times which is continuous process forever, therefore God's kingdom on this earth is forever, it has no end. Paul says in Cor 15:31, I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE DAILY . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 1:13pm On May 07, 2018 |
denisbid:anyway! This is how the scriptures comprehensively describe resurrection. 1 Cor15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36.Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: This scripture is simply saying that, just like a seed planted on this earth germinates to become a different body known as a plant(the plant does not look like the seed previously planted), that's how our body will be changed when we resurrect. We will so change that no one will recognize us when we come back on this earth the second time. Now how do we come back? We come back through birth 1 Tim2:15 says Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. Eve commited the sin that brought about sinfulness in this world. The same eve is saved through childbearing so we are all saved through childbearing. What that means is that, when we are coming back we will be given a new body as a new born baby in the womb of another woman who is a christian and not a woman of any other religion. Whosever be in Christ (a christian) is a new creature(new born baby). Old things have passed away (meaning that his previous life as adult where he was a sinner and the consequences of sins have passed away, he is totally free from them. therefore death is beneficial to the christian) . And to prove that when we are coming back, we will go into the womb of a christian mother. Rom 6:8 says Now if we be dead with Christ(die as a christian not as a muslim or any other religion) we believe that we shall also live with him(come back to be christians) And the only way we can come back as a christian is to be born into a christian home and be brought up from childhood by christian parents and not parents from any other religion. Do you see the sense behind this whole thing? It sound so realistic unlike rapture which sound unrealistic. My prayer is God should open our eyes to see good things 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:52am On May 07, 2018 |
denisbid:what you are saying is that, rapture has occured already, against the belief that it will happen in the nearest future? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:30am On May 07, 2018 |
Ronpet777:I have heard non christians on nairaland saying when christians are losing argument, they will resolve to threats and decline giving reasonable points to back up their claims. That's what you are doing now But Christ did not do it that way. He had every answers to every questions not as confused as you people |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:21am On May 07, 2018*. Modified: 9:37am On May 07, 2018 |
denisbid:don't be deceived, people live miserably too in heaven. Heaven is not a bed of roses as religion has made us to believe. You remember the parable of the sower and the reaper? All that happened in heaven. Christ started the parable by saying the kingdom of God is like unto... So he saying what will happen in heaven. In heaven if you don't sow, you will not reap and you will so suffer eh This is exactly what is happening on earth, so i can boldly say that heaven is here with us on earth according to Colossians 1:13 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:54pm On May 06, 2018 |
Anas09:look at this one You think I'm JW? another confused set of people? The question you should be asking is, why are people like JW reading bible and they are seeing certain things different from yours, even though they cannot explain accurately? It means there are so lot that Africans are neglecting in the bible. That's why christianity in Africa is already a mess. The standard of education in Africa is nothing to write home about, how will they possibly understand the bible and live a better or improved life? My interest here is, Africans should read wide and change their mind set and live better. That's all You will not practice christianity and go and die |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:40pm On May 06, 2018*. Modified: 10:02pm On May 06, 2018 |
Anas09:you know what your problem is? You are busy trying to get the meaning of the phrase caught up by depending on the Latin meaning without reading and summarizing the whole chapter wholistically to see if they truly correlate. Nothing is hidden under the sun that it will not be revealed clearly. Let's assume the phase caught up means carried away or rapture according to you, there is no correlation with the summary of the whole chapter with carried away. I mentioned that the summary of what the writter in 1 the 4:16 is trying to tell us is that, there is resurrection of the dead if you relate it to 1 cor 15. Basically, they are saying the same thing 1 cor 15:35.But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? If you continue to read it towards the end of the chapter, it described how resurrection takes place that our body will be changed and we will be given new body the day we resurect after we die. That there are several kinds of bodies created by God including celestial bodies. Then, towards the end, it came up with a parable in verse 51 down. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed (meaning, our body will be changed) 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (twinkling of the eye means death. That is,eyes close when we die. , it has been talking about resurrection of the dead since, so it is never out of context) at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound ( the trumpet signifies death as well. It's like the end of our lives like God or angels using trumpet to call the individual, your time has reach to die) In those days, trumpet was used to call and gather people for battle, so understand why trumpet is used here. And the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed It's very simple to understand if you read from the beginning and think. There is absolutely nothing rapture here, but rather, the summary is that there is resurrection of the dead. Now, if relate this to that 1 the 4:16, it's still talking about the same thing RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. It repeated it. Only that there is CAUGHT UP in the air and i told that it's a parable and there is nothing rapture there. Caught up in the air simply means heaven. If you say it means a Latin word known as rapture then how does it correlate with the resurrection of the dead? How will you now relate it to the fact that we have already been translated to heaven through Christ resurrection? Collosians 1:13 Are you saying we are in heaven now at the same time we are still waiting to go to heaven by rapture? That when Christ said on the cross it is finish he was joking? That his resurrection is not powerful enough to give us heaven here on earth? That it is one future rapture which is powerful than Christ that will come and give us heaven in the mysteries? Seriously, you people must be joking |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 8:24pm On May 06, 2018 |
Anas09:I'm not saying that missionaries wrote bible. I'm saying that it is in record that most missionaries who came to Africa to do missionary work were never educated people who understood bible. They were mostly touts in the streets of London whose verdicts for their offenses in London by the judge, was for them to be abandoned in Africa to do missionary work. In the process of doing missionary work in Africa, they were mandated to submit reports of their missionary success in Africa to the queen in order for them to regain their freedom. And when they saw that there was no correlation between African beliefs with true bible teachings, they were left with no option but to twist the bible to suit African beliefs of fictious ritualism and juju and immediate wonders so that Africans can quickly accept christianity quickly as possible. And thanks to their luck, the fake rapture doctrine has already been developed a long time ago by ignorant theologists of the ancient Roman empire, which can be used for this purpose of missionarism. You people in Africa don't read history at all, you are just practicing christianity blindly. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 7:57pm On May 06, 2018 |
Anas09: You sound so ridiculous Go back to your English dictionary(not Latin dictionary o) you will surely see the word rapture, then come back and tell me the meaning This is how you keep deceiving yourselves that rapture is a Latin word. If it's a Latin word, what is it doing in English dictionary? Una mumu eh. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deeper Life Did Not Donate A Bridge And Car Park by paxonel(m): 2:57pm On May 06, 2018 |
| Where are these deeper life people? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 10:46am On May 06, 2018 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 10:44am On May 06, 2018 |
Ronpet777:don't take this world as your heaven first, you go suffer eh. You think this is time for ignorance? 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 10:39am On May 06, 2018 |
Anas09:there is no rapture here. It is simply saying that there is resurrection of the dead(if you understand it from 1 cor 15:35 down). Meaning, just like he resurrected, Christ will come and resurrect us the day we die, not rapture. 15 What we are teaching you now is the Lord's teaching: we who are alive on the day the Lord comes will not go ahead of those who have died. 16 There will be the shout of command, the archangel's voice, the sound of God's trumpet, and the Lord himself will come down from heaven. Those who have died believing in Christ will rise to life first; 17 then we who are living at that time will be gathered up along with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 18 So then, encourage one another with these words.[/b]still saying the same thing, but this time, a parable is used and this the meaning of the parable. the clouds or the air mentioned here signifies heaven. Now what is heaven? Heaven is simply God's kingdom on earth. That simply means our resurrection is here on earth. We will be resurrected, our body will be changed (see I cor 15) to continue lives on in this earth. We ain't go nowhere. The bottom-line is, Adam and eve commited sin and lost their eternal life on this earth. Jesus has resurrected to restore that eternal life lost by Adam on this earth. We are living that eternal life right now. Heaven is now with us We are the heaven on earth no death for us. Death has been defeated. We are living our lives on this earth to fulfill the original mandate God gave to Adam and eve. Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth. And whether you like it or not we are already doing it, travel abroad you will see how white men are developing their world. Africans should follow suit and stop hoping for rapture that is never scriptural. Rapture was the hope missionaries gave Africans, they themselves they don't believe in it. 1 Like 1 Share |
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