Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 9:09am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Iceflox: Christianity is not a religion, do you know that? that's true to some extent in that, Jesus build people which is THE CHURCH, that one is not religion. But church building and all the ordinances practice inside ,is religion. You can't dispute that fact no matter how hard you try |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 8:15am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Iceflox: talking about giving to the poor, the churches are doing great job that's true, churches are doing great job helping the poor, i can testify to TB Joshua and this emmanuel tv team and many more, but we are talking about solving national problem here which is of a greater impact i mean, how much poor people can these churches reach with their limited resources? that is why, preaching the right information from the Bible and Quran remains the only solution to the problem of this nation, because, somehow in the nearest future , a child from the church with right information may end up becoming a Senator. a child from the mosque with the right information may end up becoming the president so far, no pastor in Nigeria is doing a good job in terms of passing the right info from the Bible. it is money they want |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:46am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Alexis86: yeh, it is very important to note how it affect the nation as a whole and not just one individual. because, no man is an island, one man sin affects another person who didn't commit the sin, and one man good is benefitial to all exactly! nobody can do without people, that's why we are a nation. i think our interest should be replenishing this nation, rather than replenishing the church and.replenishing pastors pocket. what am i gaining from them? the moral values of the Bible, they are not teaching us. it is African norms which does not conform to ethics they are busy promoting |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:44am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Alexis86: yeh, it is very important to note how it affect the nation as a whole and not just one individual. because, no man is an island, one man sin affects another person who didn't commit the sin, and one man good is benefitial to all |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:17am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Alexis86: then, giving to the poor is what you should not go into, because if you are looking for benefit there, you will get non if i give to the poor i get happiness, i will be happy that a life is touched |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:08am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Alexis86: lol... you are funny o so it is transport money that is your problem? anyway, i like this, the most important thing is that you believe lol.. i didn't say transport money is my problem, atleast, there should be a benefit for every little money i spend no matter my wealth |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:36am On Nov 02, 2014*. Modified: 9:03am On Nov 02, 2014 |
asalimpo: watof club going and going to work isnt it a habit of people's lives too? People are at liberty to do as they please with their time. that is true, people have liberty to do whatever they like, because i have liberty, i can fetch a 25 litre drum of water from a tap and climb a 3 story building with it, only for me to pour away the water down from the third floor to empty the drum again. does that make sense? if people go to work, atleast their benefit is payment if they go to club, atleast they are catching fun. what do i benefit in church? i have been going without one benefit. instead, it is transport money i am wasting. all i know is that, i believe in Christ and i am saved, i don't need to shout it for the world to hear. let them see it my lifestyle and know. You may benefit from church, people are different |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:20am On Nov 02, 2014 |
asalimpo: go and read your bible well and stop writg posts under d influence. i thought you wanted to correct me, since you have read your Bible well.. lol |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:38pm On Nov 01, 2014*. Modified: 7:33am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Proximo73: you are wrong, God is more interested in his church than anything else in this world I think i have distinguished between this. as they applied to reality, God is not interested in religion (church ).what God is interested in is THE CHURCH ,which is people, everybody in Christianity. so, by extention,church buildings and all the ordinances and practices in them are vanity before God, but may be useful to humans |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 10:54am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Alexis86: it's obvious you don't know what morality is all about he doesn't know that in every nation, whether people are morally upright or not,it is reflected in their standard of living and not in how much time they go to church or mosque ... lol |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 10:13am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Iceflox: you people are trying to give the impression that white men are better than black people, yet you are a black man the question you should ask yourself is, in what area of this life are Africans better than whites? is it the mosquito in our environment? or our poor drainage system? or the wild jungle without any form of fumigation against reptiles? by God's mandate we ought show love to people and replenish our world like white men are doing to their world,But what are we doing? we abandon education and carry religion and tradition as our first priority, abandoning our responsibility here on earth,going to church and be waiting for rapture, thinking God is more interested in church or religion than his creation .. we need change |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 3:14am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Alexis86: so, if Antichrist is not spirit but humans , what do you call mark of the beast, humans too ? i have never heard humans described as beasts in the Bible. certainly, mark of the beast is something spiritual and should be highly dreaded ...lol let me bring this back. is this not your statement?.. lol |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 3:12am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Alexis86: hmmm! i am not influenced by that really? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 2:57am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Alexis86: hmm! so, why do people always attribute revelation to be some kind of spiritual event rather than bring out it natural picture? i think it is a socio - cultural problem, Africans are just so hyper spiritually incline. history have it that Africans has been like that from the beginning, even before Christianity came, when missionaries eventually brought Christianity,books like revelation became a perch tree for Africans to extend their hyper spiritualism into Christianity of this generation because they cannot simply understand it . an emotional illusion that sees the various adherents into churches to seek spiritual solution to their problems, rather than being realistic we all somehow are influenced by this trend |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 9:15pm On Oct 30, 2014*. Modified: 2:38am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Alexis86: this is better now i now have a clear understanding. it's true, revelation never say the world is coming to an end, it is obvious that the visions need to be interpreted the point is, even if it was written clearly in revelation that God is coming to destroy the world, that statement is a vision and needed interpretation |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 8:45pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Alexis86: .
i saw it, i wanted you to coment first before i could say anything. in other words, he is saying that the Antichrist is actually a spirit, but he will come in a human form. it is wrong ok, take a look at this Scripture 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. this tells us that it is human who denies that Jesus is the Messiah and not spirit, which confirms that 2john 1:7 in otherwords, any human who preach that Jesus is not the Christ is Antichrist,and he deceive people, they are everywhere just like urheme said. the revelation he quoted was just a vision which represent this, just like parables, which needed interpretation. for instance,the beast represent humans who denied Jesus and mark of the beast or 666 represent any alternative religion that deny Jesus. remember, Christianity is the only religion that confess Jesus as the coming Messiah which is the salvation we are talking about. therefore, without Christianity our faith it is impossible to please God so, anybody, by deception who accept other alternative religion in this world apart from christianity, has accepted the mark of the beast, which is 666 .it is happening everywhere around us. such person is liable to loose his salvation and he is thrown into the lake of fire after judgment . this is what pastors in the UK and other developed nations teaches and it is more sensible than what pastors are teaching here in Nigeria and Africa . urheme was actually correct. anyway, i have to investigate him to prove to you that, the revelation did not outrightly say God is going to destroy this world if i had told you the other way, you wouldn't have believe me |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:04pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Alexis86: so, if Antichrist is not spirit but humans , what do you call mark of the beast, humans too ? i have never heard humans described as beasts in the Bible. certainly, mark of the beast is something spiritual and should be highly dreaded ...lol he says, the Antichrist will come in a human form and not spirit |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:53pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Image123: The Antichrist would come in human form when it is time. Please, i am not saying anymore on this. i have other engagements and i would rather not be chipping in uninterested one liners. Thanks |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 2:45pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Alexis86: so, if Antichrist is not spirit but humans , what do you call mark of the beast, humans too ? i have never heard humans described as beasts in the Bible. certainly, mark of the beast is something spiritual and should be highly dreaded ...lol lol... are we to dread humans? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 2:41pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Image123: Yes. please,i want to ask, since you say, the Antichrist is the beast in revelation, is this beast humans? going by this Scripture 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. meaning, this deceiver is a human who deceived people that Jesus did not come in the flesh . the question is, could it be that the beast in that revelation represent humans? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 11:34am On Oct 30, 2014*. Modified: 12:14pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
urheme: noted
good question
confused 
they can't be the same, image is confusing you, he just stated above that only humans is redeemable,
abeg mr image please come up with a more credible story
revelation is a prophecy or dream of event that was reveal to some one, it does not necessarily means that it will happen, when you have a bad dream as a Christian you use prayers and cancel it.
we human beings are the anti Christ and the beast is inside us, the people who said they should crucify Jesus, what do you call them because I call them anti Christ. they have actually multiplied in our present generation and are majorly found in churches, some pastors today are the beast with seven heads because that is how filthy their conscience is.
the reality of revelation is film trick. it stands abolished for me.
the good thing is that, Christian or not we will all be punished by death, and the legacy you leave behind is what matters and may likely live for ever.
so, let us create a good name for our selves and make the world a better place instead of hoping to see the end that is true, revelation was a dream by john, there are things they actually signify. the significance is what we should apply to reality and not the dream itself this is the best word i have heard, "LET US MAKE A GOOD NAME FOR OURSELVES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE " Thanks! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 9:20am On Oct 30, 2014*. Modified: 10:23am On Oct 30, 2014 |
Alexis86: i think image is making a point there i told you that the Antichrist were not spirits,they were men who deceived Christians, making them not to believe that,Jesus is the coming Messiah, making them to denounce their Christian faith . 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 12:33am On Oct 30, 2014 |
Image123:
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. ok, who is the Antichrist? is Antichrist the same thing as the beast? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:55pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Image123: Aargh, Genesis to Revelation. Haba. What do you want to know if it is in the Bible? If i show you, would you then accept it and believe it, or am i about to waste my time? i have no reason to doubt you, |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:06pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Image123: Everything i just told you is in the Bible. God wants to destroy this world because He has found it irredemable and He wants to make something better. That is His reason. where in the Bible? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 7:04pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
jdilight: No, but the men who don't live according to the world will have another place to stay after death. You need to understand that man was not meant to die. we are saying the same thing, men who don't live according to the word will leave this earth for those who obey the word to inherit it. since this is the case, why will God want to rapture people to another place and destroy this world? if God destroy this world how are those who obey going to inherit it? so you see, rapture is fake and a contradiction |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:30pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Image123: i think you missed out the rest of what was said. Here it is.
Christ will come one day and very soon, to blow a trumpet from the cloud and gather believers to heaven. After this, there would be great tribulation and the antichrist's reign on earth for some time. After this, Jesus will come with the believers and reign on this earth for about 1000years, during which there will be peace and prosperity, and multiplying and replenishing and etcs. Then satan would again deceive some people and, there after God will destroy this world. And God would put all the righteous humans in the new/other world/earth and they will live happily ever after. exactly! this is the complete idea. but i have not seen any biblical stand that portray this story which looks like tales from Jewish mythology. the question i am asking is, why will God want to put righteous people in a new world and destroy this world? is it not this same world he asked man to replenish in the beginning? even we humans, we don't do anything without reason, we don't go about building houses only to later destroy our houses without any reason. Adam commiting sin is never a good reason why God will want to destroy the world |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 3:56pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
jdilight: Rapture is not the reason for God to create man. Rapture came into place when man fail. If man trace his step back, which is unlikely. God will return to the master plan. Rapture is like plan B. in other words, planA, which was to replenish this earth has been rejected by God simply because man fail and cannot trace his step back? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 12:15am On Oct 29, 2014 |
Alexis86: you want pastors to go out of business? na there my father take dey get money pay my school fees o ahaahaahhahha!!! your father na pastor? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 12:13am On Oct 29, 2014 |
Alexis86: lol.. i am looking for people to condemn lol |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:22pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Alexis86: that one no go work my guy,.. why? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Gods Big Picture For This World He Created, To Rapture Man To Heaven? by paxonel(op): 6:12pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy: Christianity ( and Islam) is so full of confussion. Why cant a loving heavenly father just reveal the truth to everybody at once? This hide and seek game with humanity has become very uninteresting joor! If you are truly there Sky-daddy why not just reveal yourself na? We need an end to all these ' there-is-rapture-there -is-no-rapture-argumens'! i understand you, it's just that you have not yet seen any good reason or any benefit or why you should believe in God that is why you still don't believe. if you truly care to listen, you will know why we believe |