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Alexis86:
so you don't believe in sky daddy? you are doomed... lol

you well so?... lol
you cannot tell anybody you are doomed for their belief, are you God?

Alexis86:
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so tell me, how are pastors enslaving people

it is simple, let them teach church members that they can always remain Christians without going to church, in that way, they will make church members free.

Proximo73:
but you have to believe that there is rapture or you are not a Christian

that one na ya own be that, for me.. i am a Christian

Alexis86:
you are right,
but for your info, pastors don't use people as slaves, what kind of a Christian are you?
people submit themselves willingly to the work of God

define slavery

urheme:
credible submission, I totally agree with you

thanks

Iceflox:
you can tell me the kingdom of God is this life that is full of suffering, do people still suffer in heaven. i thought heaven should be a place where everything work out smoothly without any work or any form of stress

Jesus christ described the kingdom of in one of his parables in
Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.(Meaning, do business with the money )
so, people do business in heaven, there is stress, don't allow anybody deceive you.
Another parable he gave was in
Matthew 13:23.... which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Meaning, among those that will believe his word and be in his kingdom when the kingdom is established on earth , some will be successful, others will be intermediate while others will be unsuccessful (poor ).
So, there is no room for laziness in this heaven that we already in

Alexis86:
guy, leave church out of this. even the kingdom of God you are talking about is the church, Jesus says i will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it

it may interest you to know that there is difference between THE CHURCH and church.
THE CHURCH is the body of Christ which is the saved people, (everybody in Christianity belong here and are all saved ).
while church is all church building (religion ).
Jesus Christ build THE CHURCH (his people ),while pastors build church (building )
you have to distinguish between these two and separate them, or pastors will use you as their slave to make money for themselves and nothing will happen

Alexis86:
is it bad to be a religious person? you don't know what you are talking

religion is the cause of almost all the problem in this world. church going is religious activity, it has become a habit to most Nigerian Christians

bestads:
as yourself this questions...where is whitney houston, where is madonna , where is michael Jacson....Vanity upon vanity is VANITY

where is arch Bishop Benson idahosa, where is Bishop Gordon osaghede?, the late rev. Oswald Hoffman, F.W Borham. where are they? these were great men of God.
death nor dey respect anybody, whether you bad or good

Alexis86:
guy, leave church out of this. even the kingdom of God you are talking about is the church, Jesus says i will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it

I'm not saying he shouldn't go to church, too much church going is bad, you will be seen as a religious person.
thank God you know that heaven is THE CHURCH , so why the anticipation of rapture?
unfortunately, churches this days have involved in activities that are making them vulnerable to the gate of hell

Image123:
You didn't listen to the full gist i guess.

may be!
because, that is the idea i heard about rapture

Iceflox:
the kingdom of God is not on earth, it s in heaven

really?
ok, how about
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
which says that we have been translated into the kingdom already? and not in the future?
can't you see that the very thing you are looking for by running to church ,is right inside you?

Alexis86:
you are right!

thanks

Image123:
Where did you hear about the rapture? What did they tell you will happen after the rapture?

they say Christ will come one day and very soon, to blow a trumpet from the cloud and gather believers to heaven, there after God will destroy this world, imagin.
i think this is a primitive concept from some ancient primitive theologians and Africa has been a victim of this misconception over the years

Iceflox:
stop deceicing people, this world will come to an end, don't be enlighten more than God. education has spoil this generation

search yourself

Iceflox:
so, what is your idea of replenishing the earth or what it means?are we truly fulfilling or replenishing this earth? can't you see the rumours of war, the earthquake everywhere as predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24, which are the signs of the coming of Jesus, the rapture and end of the world? you are not spiritually minded at all

to replenish the earth simply means to build this earth, to develop it.
over the years in the history of life ,mankind has evolved from one stage of development to the other. the era that we are living now is the era of enlightenment, that means, the days of the bible were primitive days.
God who is alive from the beginning has recorded this change and he is happy with it.
it will truly make sense to you when you travel out of the shores of this country to see how white men has developed their world, because they are more enlightened than us

Alexis86:
so, what you are saying is that ,live continues, no rapture?

exactly, no rapture, life continues, the kingdom of God on earth is forever, no end

Iceflox:
what is this in 1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
is this not rapture?
this world is very sinful, we are tired, everything should just fold up

i guess your main point should be verse 17 which says,Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
this Scripture actually appear to be rapture, but it is not.
just look at it from this angle, we are already in the clouds in the air (what is known as heaven in those days ). we are in heaven already.
heaven is in us, the kingdom of God is right inside us

honourhim:
The way you people twist the scripture is quite pathetic. You people think that the scripture will fulfill in line with your interpretation. Wake up bro. Dont be afraid of the coming our Lord Jesus rather prepare yourself.

the comming of Jesus is different day for different people, Jesus will come to judge us the very day we die

Iceflox:
so, what do you think is the main thing if not winning souls for Christ?

this is the big picture of God
God wanted mankind to replenish this world he created, mankind messed up by comiting sin, as a result, death came and there was no hope to fulfill the mandate of replenishing the earth.
to help mankind fulfil the mandate, God send Jesus to die to restore the eternal life that mankind lost.
right now, the eternal life is here with us, we are gradually fulfilling the mandate whether we know it or not
so there is nothing like rapture

that Scripture is not talking about rapture, we have proved it before. it is talking about the day we will die, we all will die someday, to we Christians, death is like twinkling of the eye (like blinking the eye, close and open again less than a second ) and we will be alive again, this time, with a new body as a new born baby in the womb of another woman.
the sound of the trumpet there is like calling us, using trumpet, that our time has reached to die, our life has ended, so death is the end,it is actually a sleep(during which there will be judgement,as it is appointed once for men to die,after that,judgement)
but we will come back to life again just a matter of less than one seconds,after the judgement, to continue our eternal life here on earth
we have proved all that before, read that 1cor 15 down and understand the whole chapter

This is the mandate God gave to mankind in the beginning
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH THE EARTH , and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
So., our primary purpose on earth is to replenish this earth and God has not changed his mind about this.
How come churches are now saying that the reason why we are on earth is to win souls to prepare for rapture ?
That when rapture comes, God will take us to heaven and destroy this world?
Why will God create man in the beginning and ask him to replenish this world, only for him to come and destroy what man have put his effort to replenish over the years?
Is God that confused? (I'm speaking like a man )
I know winning soul is part of it, But it is not the main thing.

Bidam:
The 10 written in the tablets of stones is useless, we are born of the Spirit and the laws written in our hearts is encapsulated in one word LOVE.
The Laws are 613 actually if you care to go through them.Christians are not bounded by these laws. Child dedication is a custom and practice done by the Jews after a child is circumcised on the eight day,i believe the muslims also copied this practise, if you care to research, the gentiles also have this practise but i can tell where they copied it from.
You need to school yourself on bible history. The isrealites are 12 tribes from Jacob. After God delivered them, he want them to be a prototype of what he wants fufilled on the earth. They are custodians of the laws and covenants, though they disobeyed God on numerous occasions, He wants the be their King, Father to them, the sacrifices for sin was fulfilled when God took on the semblance of a Jewish man, came and died on the cross but before then God had instituted sacrificial laws for sin and other technical regulations which i am pressed for time to discuss here. Simply put they are types and shadows of the reality which is Christ the perfect lamb for the perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Man cannot keep the law because of the original sin committed by Adam. Except you are in Christ it is useless keeping the law.Christ came not according to the law of a carnal commandment but according to the power of an endless life. The long and short of it is gentiles are just priviledged to be grafted into the olive branch because it' s a big family.i don't want to discuss other issues like tithes which is actually a financial tax law instituted by God for equality among the 12tribes, what i want to say is that there are things that are written in scriptures FOR OUR LEARNING...there is a motive for circumcision and the spirit behind it is a heart consecrated unto God....tithes also has its significance and that is a heart of giving..so is sabbath for rest and so on and so forth...
Your child is part of you..your extension...if you dedicate him or her to God..you are simply presenting yourself to God as an act of worship and devotion...It becomes a joyous occassion if you do such in the gathering of believers to pledge your allegiance and commitment to train such Godly seeds in the way of the Lord.
A believer is a spirit being, circumcision is a matter of the heart not the external flesh...a circumcised heart will be a good brothers keeper.
Ofcos, it is not and that is why the OP made mention of whether it should be discarded. Though most churches do it as a tradition. Thanks for you contribution.

you are good

pls find out the true meaning of ritual in your english dictionary

dein77:
It's a very sensitive issue. However, we can do it to fulfil all righteousness. Besides, it's good to bring a baby to the presence of God.

I will contribute more later. Coincidentally, my daughter's dedication comes up on the 2nd November, 2014.

i like church o. but what do you mean by the presence of God? because, what i know is that the presence of God is everywhere including our toilets.infact,God is also right inside us, so there is no hiding place

Bidam:
Luke 2:22-24. "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons."


A Baby Dedication is a ceremony in which believing parents, and sometimes entire families, make a commitment before the Lord to submit a child to God's will and to raise that child according to God's Word and God's ways.

Child dedication is the act of giving back to God the gift he has given you as parents. It is an act of worship, thanksgiving, dependence, trust, and commitment. The practice of child dedication has been modeled throughout the Bible.

Now non Presbyterian churches called this child dedication while we see Catholics refer to this as infant baptism,my point of opening this thread is for proponent who are in the campaign of condemning the law of Moses to air their views on this issue.

There is nowhere in scriptures that Paul discussed to the early churches about child dedication but i believe the early church practiced it strictly in principle from the mosaic laws( i stand to be corrected sha) as well as marriages which is also copied from OT scriptures.

The only place i see Paul talked about children is:

Ephesians 6:4:

"fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord." God's instructions are plain.

Since our brothers say tithe is old testament law and should be as such discarded in churches,should child dedication also be discarded in churches? I need you views.

should we also discard the 10 commandments simply because they are old testament laws?
when you say, the law of Moses, which of the laws of moses are you refering to?
is it the Jewish traditional laws of Moses which include tithe, circumcision, offering of animals,child dedication, etc you are referring to, or the 10 commandments?
just know that the laws of Moses encompasses all these laws ,but it is only the 10 commandments(which is the same thing as love your neighbor as yourself) that is mandatory to Christians, that means that all those laws, you can obey them but it is not by force.
i mean, how is payment of tithe related to love your neighbor as yourself?
how is child dedication related to love your neighbor as yourself?
how is circumcision related to love your neighbor as yourself?
therefore, child dedication in church is not by force

tithe is never a law in Christianity, it was Jewish traditional law, we are not Jews, we are igbo or hausa or yoruba etc (gentiles )

when you see people worship God, it is a prove that God exist. just follow and worship

Alexis86:
rubbish

lol

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
this portion of the bible is saying, give to the church, and you will get everything in return, car, money, houses, anything you can ask, as far as your eyes can see or your mind can imagin.
if you want that miracle, leave all that you are doing, go to your church and tell your pastor, i want to drop something

asamaigho:
sharrapp meathead,ur ignorance is like a gasbag......must u tell us u know nothing?

ahahaaha ahaha.. lol

ublog360:
God searchet the hearts of man. it is not for you to judge or accertain who is who. God knows who is on trial.

i am a Christian too, i go to church, but leave God out of this. the post is absolutely correct