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Why are women always getting instant healing and instant falling down from laying of hands?

marttol:
For instance "village people" , collected something from you through diabolical means... And they try every possible means to stagnate you... But you overcome...

there are no such thing in existence.
They are all African myths

Does it mean, everything they have collected from you, you will get them back??

you will get only what you sow.
If anyone steals from you after that, he is a thief and you have the right to arrest and detain such person according to the law.

But anything spiritual or diabolical stealing, it is lie.
That's why you can never hear that one witchcraft or magician is arrested by the police

Ok,
As at the time they were in good terms God was a way maker and promise keeper?
Now, they are not in good terms, because of that God is not a way maker and promise keeper anymore?

So, do all Christians possess the holy spirit irrespective of who they are?
The answer to that question is yes

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Prayer simply means to make a request. It does not really matter how long or how emotional the request is been made.,
When the disciples asked Jesus "teach us how to pray " you will notice that it was the content of the statement he made to them as prayer that matters.
Our Father Who is Heaven
..Give us your Kingdom
...Forvive our Sins
..Provide for us
...Deliver us from evil

Simple prayer, simple statements.

And when he eventually brought down his Holy ghost in the book of Acts of the Apostles at the upper room, it was never stated that the disciples prayed after that.
Rather, they spoke in Tongues.

Now, what is this tongues that they spoke and for what purpose?
Have you ever seen someone you know that he speaks only Hausa language then all of a sudden, he starts speaking Yoruba fluently?

That is what the tongue was all about.
And it was never done in prayer.

Now, Abrakabrakabra! is incantation for the babalawos and can never be equated to prayer even among the African traditionalists

He was a former disciple of....

in Africa

Hope conspiracy theorists will not come and say the new world order microchips rubbish and fake mark 666 story in this one?

Steep:
Actually you don't even need the bible to prove there is God.
It is very simple.
How did the universe come into being? There are only two answers for this question
1. The universe is eternal
2. The universe was created.

Which do you think has being proven by science? No 2.
Yes it has being proven that the universe has a beginning, therefore the creator of the universe is outside of the universe.
In case you don't know the universe it includes empty space itself and time itself.
It means the creator is beyond space and time.
It takes a being that is extremely powerful beyond space and time to create the universe.
When people say who created God? That question does not make sense because the very definition of God means is uncreated.
When they say can we not also say the universe is uncreated? The answer again is that evidence already proves the universe has a beginning.

You are absolutely correct!
And the reason why anyone will always make reference of the bible is that, the bible contains accurate records of God.
And incase atheists think that they cannot reason by intuition, then they have better option which is the bible.
But many of them are not interested to read, yet they are interested to ask about God's existence.
Their situation are like people having science books with them but they refuse to read. Yet they keep asking the question "where are atom, molecules, compounds, ions ? "

And i wonder, if they want to remain indiferent why asking questions?

Dtruthspeaker:
The mere fact that you are stuck on only personal proof andevidence does not mean that there are no other evidence and proof of God the proof that no thing in this world created itself?

I'm aware of these other proofs.
But since most atheists need personal encounter for them to believe, then there are no personal encounter available for them but to encounter believers who are next to them

obonujoker:
Truly, you are right... Only a person who's deceiving himself with conclude there's no God... Our prayer is that such a person doesn't continue in deception till death

Well, we can only pray!

But the reality still remain that, many of them have died in their self-delusion and it does not change the fact that God exist

Some Christians don't read, that's why they are constantly defeated by atheists

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

You might ask yourself, where is God, Where is God, i can't see him?
You cannot see God because deep in your heart you don't really want to see him.

In order words, if you do not have Faith in God then there are no proof for you.
God only reveals himself to only those who seek him.

So, stop asking the wrong and futile question "where is God " that you can't get the answer until you are ready.
Just remain in your atheism quietly and allow those who have seen God enjoy their life

victoronyekwelu:
One of the biggest lies, if not the biggest lie, anyone could tell a little child is that he/she is born in sin? What sin did the child commit? When did the little child sin? If the child died at the moment, would the child go to hell for a sin he/she knows nothing about? This is what religion does. This is how religion gets into the head of little children and makes them a prisoner in their own mind. This is how religion controls and exploits people from the cradle to the grave. Nobody is born religious. Nobody comes to the world with religion. Nobody is born into the world with knowledge of what Christianity, Islam, or Judaism is. Religion is forced on little children without their consent. The truth doesn’t force itself on people.

To born in sin does not necessarily mean the child has commit sin.
It means that the child is not born into his everlasting covenant through Christ

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

Therefore our salvation is strictly through childbearing 1 Timothy 2:15

Every Christian claimed to have been delivered are scammers and is not scriptural

Could there be possibility that the woman that gave birth to her had contested that the prophet impregnated her before she dumped her in church?
Because the striking resemblance is one thing.
The speed at which the prophet adopted her is another thing to consider.

FxMasterz:
I don't know to what end you're fighting this brother's testimony. Do you want to disprove his belief in God? You want him to discard the testimony and remain an atheist?

no!

All I'm saying is that, putting forward a deceptive testimony isn't necessary. Atleast, he had the option of saying the story the way it is and still remain a believer.

Thank God he has finally come out to say the real cause of the problem unlike the impression he created in the testimony that it was a spiritual problem .

Farewell

Lonestar124:
The pastor is in Nigeria, while am outside the country, we only talk on WhatsApp calls..

He only said I should make a promise to sow a seed in his altar when the goods arrived...but I will do that as soon as possible, because that is what I promise the spirit world

OK,

Very good

Lonestar124:
Paxonel to ship a container from turkey to my based does not take more than 3month to arrived it's destination, so when the container exceed three months going to eight months, I should be disturbed, as those shipping agency can be careless, they may dump your container in one country, and you will think is still on the ship coming..

As a business man there is nothing more frustrating to witness than waiting for your container that is due to arrive it's destination..

I know my friend that is still waiting or should I say looking for his container for more than one year now, and the shipping agency are giving him excuses upon excuses, they are not even responding to his messages now..

i thought as much.
I knew that something went wrong along the line from the moment i read your story.
I had thought that whether you were the one that didn't know the right steps to follow or your story isn't real

Congratulations o
I can feel what you went through during the period of waiting, infact the tension alone is enough to consult babalawo, imam, pastor all put together

Lonestar124:
Hahaha, you guys argue too much, well I finally visit one pentecostal church in my area, for more 10years, I have not prepare myself to say am going to church on Sunday, but I did that today, I give my testimony to the hearing of the congregation..

Congratulations o
So, you didn't go to pastor that prophesied the miracle?
That's not fair now
Atleast he deserves your money in a way of tithe and offering.

FxMasterz:
You don't seem to understand how God operates

God operates in love and uses love to draw us to Himself.

From being an atheist, God can use this miracle to break the OP's atheistic belief and turn him unto Christ.

certainly!
And that is only if it was actually a miracle.

But what if the atheist eventually discover that all these was a plan to get him fall into control, do you think that he will see God operating in Love anymore?

That's why, whatever we do, we should do it rightly

God performs miracles for various reasons. At the bottom of it all is LOVE
Most people who think a pastor has the time to be researching people to tell them fake prophecies are funny. Even fake pastors don't operate like that. They either use logic or use charms
For example, someone comes to a pastor and says I don't have a husband at 40. The pastor asks, where's your mother? Oh, my mum is dead. What about your grandma? She's in the village. The next thing is your grandma is a witch and she's the one responsible for your other's death. She doesn't want you to marry. That's how fake pastors do who use logic to deceive.

so,you think that there are no fake pastors that go the extra length to research for these information themselves only to come and prophesy to client's what they have research in order to eliminate doubt?

I'm telling you what i have seen before, i don't need to start telling telling you stories.
Perhaps you have not heard of any such thing before does not mean they do not exist

The. Other fake pastors can operate through charms. Using familiar spirits, they'll inquire about the person's past and then tell him a false future prophesy. For example, "oh, this sickness came upon you when you visited your village some 6 months ago. That night you had a dream... " Bla, bla, bla. The pastor would be correct and the miracle seeker would be awed. Then, he'll tell the miracle seeker a fake prophecy about the future and use it as an avenue to exploit him.

Above are the two categories of fake pastors and their modes of operation.

you judge this!
Using charm or familiar spirits and making enquiry about a person which is relatively simpler?

No one goes about researching someone to find out when his goods are going to arrive.
Even the seller of the goods cannot predict the exact day the goods are going to arrive. What the OP experienced is the operation of the gift of the word of knowledge.

you really cannot be so sure about the op whether he is saying the truth or not because you were not there yourself and cannot categorically defend him.
I expected him to come out and defend himself here, but he has gone into hiding

That information is above the OP and the merchant who freight forwarded the goods to the OP. So, no research can provide such accurate answers. If the merchant can answer the question, then, he would have told the OP, and the OP wouldn't need any prayers.

incase you don't know!
There are constant radai communication between any vessel about leaving a terminus in one country with it destination. Infact, technology has made things so easy this days that an importer or merchant hardly stays an hour without getting the first hand information about his incoming goods from the port authorities.
So, this one the op is coming to tell us lies that he lost contact with his goods. It's either the story itself is fake or it happens and he didn't get the enough orientation to follow the appropriate steps in order to get his information rightly, then the pastor now did the research for him.
Getting information about any vessel at the port is very easy, just provide the vessel's name and reg number with evidence that you have a container in there, they will track the vessel and tell you it current location, even a security man there knows everything. Only that one cannot get access to the shores where the goods are discharged.
The highest that will happen is lost of container identity which can be sorted out appropriately from the stock records.
But you see that thing called vessel itself, only wreckage can cause loss of contact which hardly happens.

There are so much loopholes in your analysis.

it is the story itself that is full of loopholes

FxMasterz:
Pastors don't play such games. For what and to what purpose? If you ask the OP, the pastor didn't collect any money from him.

but per adventure at the long run he will end up becoming his member and start paying tithe that is based on his huge income, would that not be beneficial enough and worth the stress of carrying out a long research?

If that's how pastoral work is, no one would be a pastor. Such mediums of collecting information about everyone who calls you would be so tedious, time consuming and expensive. That's very ridiculous.

call it ridiculous it doesn't matter, who cares?
So long they have achieved their aim.
It is now competition among pastors, do you know how many pastors that are cashing out big time from a growing congregation that is full of wealthy people?
These people have testimonies of one or two miracles they had believed God has used these pastors to intervene in their situations

Back in 2000. I was in my pastors office to use his computer while he was away. He actually travelled. We all had access to his computer. So, that day, I got to the system and wanted to use it, lo and behold, he already passworded his system. The system had no password before. I was surprised to find it passworded. But, I had something very importation and urgent to do with it. So, I couldn't just go away like that.

I sat down in front of the computer and said "Holy Spirit what's the password?" I muttered that word 3 times and heard the word "Jehovah". I entered the word and the computer opened.

ok

Which pastor has the time to be doing research all about on people they minister to? Very ridiculous. Even the fake pastors would not do that.

you are yet to know what these pastors are capable of doing

Since you said you believe in miracles, go and study about the gift of the word of knowledge and the gift of prophecy.

whatever gift it is, i still believe that no gift of miracle should be used in vain.

God cannot possibly reveal the op to the pastor when the aim is not to win the op back to Christ

FxMasterz:
And would they do it?

What details does the pastor even have to conduct a research?

are you asking this question for real?
The pastor can easily get someone who is very close to him to do the long research without him knowing, they can go to any length.
Like i have said, they are not after poor people, their targets are the wealthy.

If the op can truly sincerely ask himself this simple question, why will a sister introduced him to a pastor who knows nothing about importation of goods?
Then he will know it was a game well planned.

Perhaps someone had suggested to the sister to introduce him to the pastor without her knowing what is happening, but certainly there was a game plan somewhere.

If you don't want to believe in miracles, it's okay. But don't justify your belief with such low level assumptions.

As a matter of fact i do believe in miracles.
But what i don't believe is God not being principled, intelligent and time conscious

You see the clouds floating in the sky without falling under gravity?
You see water bodies flowing from the North to the South towards the East and back to the North in a regular cycle, or rain drops precipitating from the sky?
There are well explained principles behind these things, they are never magic or miracles.

This tells you that God does not perform any miracle without a reason.
There must be a reason why he will defile his principles to perform any miracle.
And that reason can never be vain reason like a pastor will say i want to perform a miracle to show that I'm truly a man of God.

FxMasterz:
So, the pastor knows about the goods the OP paid for with the OP's merchant more than the OP himself?

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. You mean a pastor would know more about the goods you ordered and even tell you its arrival date more than you yourself?

Please tell me more.

The Pastor must have done thorough research about the OP a long time before the OP met with them. Laughable. They even know that the OP would come to them. Then, they get the information about the OP's goods which the OP himself couldn't get. Lol.

You think it's funny?
This is real business here

The op just said he had a container of goods he was expecting, meaning he is already a financially established man.

Now, the op is living in a third-world poverty stricken Africa where opportunities are rarely available, so what do you expect?
Opportunitists will certainly do everything possible to take advantage of him, and whether he falls for them or not is a thing of his mind.

FxMasterz:
He did. Please read the OP again. Excerpts:

OK,
Just want to be sure that you are the op so that i can ask some few questions :

Since you know so much about the op can you describe how the op get to know about this man of God?
Who introduced him to the op and how long have they met before now?

You see these pastors?
Before the op might have thought about it they will pretend not to know anything about the op, but meanwhile they have done thorough research about the op a long time even before the op had met with them.

This is what most Nigerian pastors are very good at doing!
The aim is to work on his psyche

FxMasterz:
So, you mean someone can ordinarily know that the delay period has expired, and that the ship would arrive on Tuesday as it did exactly?

Lets clarify this first!
the op didn't mention the exact day Tuesday on his post, or are you the op?

seetomorrow:
So what's stopped the ship never arrived till he met the man of God

the same thing that delays shipping process for a while that every other importers do experience

seetomorrow:
But why is this their prediction always coming through by chance, have you asked yourself which kind BY CHANCE be this?
It is called prophesy and miracles

from the man's story, if you ship a container to your country there is 100% chance that the ship will arive due to to advanced technology in shipping.
Why predicting 100% and call it a miracle, isn't that deception?

Lonestar124:
The thing is there is my container of goods am expecting from turkey for all for almost seven months, it is has not arrived in the country I based, until yesterday, my sister instruct me to call one of her family pastor to pray for me.

I was little redundant, but I later called him, he told me the goods will arrived on Tuesday next week..

He chastised me to be giving my tithes, which I don't do, me I don't believe in all these things as an atheist, but am beginning to change my mind the way I understand God.

Can you believe my agent called me this morning that the goods has just arrived Liberia my Based..

This is a true life story, I can not call this miracle a coincidence as I usually do ..am still surprised it happens the way the man of God proclaim it.. there is spiritual power my people.

Tomorrow I will be giving this testimony in any church in location...our God is Merciful indeed.

Never doubt what God can do with his faithful servants.. enjoy your day my fellow Nairalanders.

Container arriving your country how is that a miracle, was that the first time it happened?
The man had predicted what could possibly happen and it happened by chance.

And you mean, you still had belief in men of God after they had locked themselves into safety too during the corona virus lockdown you forget so soon?

Omo,you art entered one shance psychologically.
When una one learn?

Majphe:
Carry Jesus along with you into your journey of life to avoid the raging storm.

Lies!
Do you know how many Christians that have died frustrated because of life situations?

Rather, you should be telling people to carry Jesus along with them for their eternal life.

Wetn concern Jesus concern people life journey?
In this journey of life, it is you that will carry your Cross. If it fails, better for you, if it succeeds, good for you.
Jesus nor dey help people write Exam

AT THE END YOU WILL STILL BROKE THE BROKE THAT EVERYONE USUALLY EXPERIENCE FINANCIALLY, SO WHAT'S THE NEED?

KEVIND:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYjnOyvMHI?si=1Pj1VPdPN2AouB6n

Let's assume this story is true!
Among all the women that testified against TB Joshua, is she the only one that has daughter?
Why are the daughters of others not dead too?

Someone lost her daughter coincidentally and you are celebrating the lost rather than being sympathetic simply because she testified against your pastor, are you human?