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jaephoenix:
It says the kingdom of god is at hand, thus the world may be coming to an end.
So what's your point?

My point is, you did not get the interpretation right.
Perhaps this is how you did not get the whole bible right after reading it. Hence the book is a fairy tale to you.

But you know what?
The content of a book does not depend on anyone's perception. Rather what anyone can get from reading any book will depend on his ability to comprehend it perfectly.

Most pastors and church leaders especially in third world Africa where quality education is not prioritize or put into consideration, are yet to have a perfect comprehension of that book too.

This explains why religion especially in this part of the world, is a sham, hoax and delusive

jaephoenix:
Yup. From Genesis to Revelation, with and without the 'spirit'. All a poorly written fairy tale. Aesop's fairy tales is a better book

Good!

Can you explain this?

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

jaephoenix:
Did the Bible even talk about dinos, never mind debunking it?
The bible is just a fairy tale book

So tell me, have you read the bible before for you to conclude that it is a fairy tale?

delkuf:
Guys, as I write this piece my heart beat with fear and dissatisfaction. I gave my life to Christ on the 16 of March 2009. Oh, that day was a beautiful day. I can't describe how I felt that day. I had this peace that day makes me knew I am born again. But after a year I backslided. I took a wrong decision. Now, since then I can't really live right. I want to do what is right, but I keep failing. The best I could do is to live few weeks and I will find myself doing what I said I don't want to do. I miss that life. I miss serving God with a pure heart. I miss fasting and praying to continue growing in Christ. I miss everything. Is killing me. I don't know what to do. If Christ come again like this, I don't think I will be able to go with him. am not happy. Have tried lot of things, but is not really working. Is like something is there pulling me. Please Christ help me. I want to serve you. if there is any Christian out there, pray for me. I can't continue living like this. I don't know if I should do this here but am just confused right now. No body I can really talk to. My wife is not helping either. just confused right now. please say something reasonable

1. Your confusion has been there since March 2009,you did not give your life to Christ that day but you were made to believe so. You believed the lie that's why you were happy. It was a scam.
2. You did not point out exactly what is your problem.
Are you suffering from measles or it is money you are looking for?
Most people in Africa are always looking for money. If it is money then only you can solve your problem.
Getting money is also a thing of the mind.
It requires some level of education whether it is formal or informal.
Do you want to learn carpentry or fashion designing?
Whatever it is, please take it very seriously.
That's the only way your redemption will come.

IVYWonder9:
Dinosaurs have been proved to be an existence of more than billions of years ago....

You might be interested to know more about this...

Read...https://theskynow.com/2024/05/17/what-the-bible-says-about-dinosaurs/

the bible isn't a science book but religious book.

It was never meant to talk about science or dinosaur and therefore has never in any of it chapter debunked the possibility of dinosaur

CountinBlessins:
Fūck Harry , fūck Megan and the whole Royal slave trading family.
Fūck Tinubu and every president who receives these jokers.

He is not a prince but a wanna be , his brother is the real prince but fūck William his brother too.

Fūck whatever they said even

Stay out of drugs, fool!

achimendy:
I pray you see the light one day.

dont pray anything!

Go and study your bible and know the truth first

achimendy:
Ignoramus like you will always see it that way.

keep sympathizing with fraud in the name of religion.

Mumu

osazsky:
u that is not paying have u achieved 2percent of wat he has achieved..my bro if it works for u continue thithing though I don't believe in it I won't discourage orthers

Is dangote paying tithe?
Has he as a tithe payer achieved 0.001 percent of what dangote has achieved?

Some of you, your brain na water dey inside

[quote author=BeigJawnson post=129921956]Now I am throwing the question back to you, is it all pastors threatening people to pay tithes? /

so long they call it tithe it is a threat.
There is no pastor who collect tithe that doesn't quote the book of Malachi which prounce misfortune to people who do not pay.
And that's where the threat lies.
[quote]Mind you, I don't pay tithes, I give...

Giving is another thing entirely,This is what i do too, and it is not necessarily 10% of my income
I give anytime and I'm not compelled by threats from the book of Malachi to do so

If the word tithe is not mentioned in the bible, it won't be talked about

that is the problem!
IInfact, that is where the scam is coming from!

The truth is, the bible comprises of both the old and the new testament, and where our faith lies is the new testament and not the old.
So why will someone read the old testament to compel me to pay a tithe regime that was meant for the old testament, is that not a scam?

BeigJawnson:
So you calling some group of people fools is morally okay right? I can't laugh...

scamming people is more immortal

You don't believe in something and called it scam, never meant it is a scam.

it's not about me believing in it or not.
It's about the deceptive manner which these pastors use it to exploit you people which they can never do it in a sane society.

Now i ask the question again, where in the bible did these pastors get the tithing doctrine that they are now using it to threaten you people that were supose to be Christians that if you don't pay things will become tight for you?

BePrepared:
Can u prove that he was defrauded before a court of law.

you don't need any court of law over a case where someone outsmart your intelligence and keep exploiting money from you.
All you need is simple wisdom!

However, i don't know what exact country the op mean by diaspora, but what i know is that most countries in Europe including the UK have regulations against religious exploitations like tithing to protect it citizens..
Remember, Bishop Oyedepo have been banned from entering UK talkless of him going there to open a church.
Chris Oyakhilome too was sanctioned for exploitation related offense some time ago in the UK, but it wasn't clear whether it was tithing.

BeigJawnson:
Okay apart from being a Christian and much more morals are taught in Christianity .... By the way, you lack manners, you are here calling some group of people fools ... Are you not morally taught from your home?

The issue is, someone is deliberately using the faulty tithe doctrine to distort money from church members and that is the most classified immorality.
And when someone speaks against it you will say the person doesn't have manners.

I really don't know what you define as manners

Well, you that you haven't be giving tithe, how far about you? Can you brag about yourself a bit... So we giving tithes can stop giving...

Brag what?

So this is all about bragging?
Let's assume that it is the ritual called tithing that gives you wealth, so you will now be bragging?

This is exactly what yahoo boys are doing now!

When babalawo deceived yahoo boys that they are making money because of their rituals, then the yahoo boys begins to brag that ritual is working.
That's what you people are doing too

This Africa self

Convince us. One thing is, when we give tithes, we believe it is given to God

Like how?
Can you explain yourself

Do God eat human money?

And moreover, did God asked Christians to pay tithe, where did you see that in the bible ?

, and He will reward us.

if you are working and earning money, all the money or fortunes or achievements you have ever made was through your effort and has nothing to do with any tithe.

But people like you, when you are asked to bring human flesh for sacrifice, to have money, you will rush and look for who to kill.

what is this one talking?
You know nothing about me and cannot say anything about me until it tell you myself who i am, if that is necessary.

Imagine the faulty conclusion

So we giving tithes, that is the sacrifice we pay to also have God's blessings in one way or the other...

Africans will always be diabolical in one way or the other thinking that is giving them financial fortune. I just mention babalawo, it's still the same thing that you people do in church.
In this case, pastor is your babalawo while tithing is your sacrifice or ritual and the church has become your shrine.

It is a classified ancient African culture that you people are now seeing as opportunity to practice in church today .
Ritualism!

But here is the truth.
It does not work, it is a scam

BeigJawnson:
Try to be civil, must you insults before sharing opinions? And you called your self Christian? Be well mannered, a Christian who insults people... HOW CHRISTIAN IS THAT?

Leaves Christian out of this, the guy and many other Christians worldwide who are falling for this tithe scam are all fools.
Their delusion is so deep inside their souls that they will not possibly emancipate themselves unless it is through God's miracle.
It will take another 1000 years for them to understand that

emmabest2000:
One man's food is another man's poison

Insults is not necessarily

Ok, Tithe is the mans poison but food for pastors

Very good

jahsharon:
Don't spoil other people's businesses nah. If Maga no dey, how Guy man go chop. He thinks God needs money to pay for HIS children's school fees, I mean God's children who are going to private school in Heaven, so this Maga gives God money to pay HIS children's school fees

kennie2015:
You are the Mumu

Bush man were nor get sense like you, do you even have a clue or understand what is happening here?

here, castigating and insulting someone that seek an advise,

That is not advice he is seeking, he came to show up his foolishness and i will tell you why incase you don't know.
1. Tithing is not of Christianity: Someone is reading the old testament(which is not Christianity) to scam him his money and this has been happening for years and will continue to happen.
2. I'm very sure he is an educated person, yet he is falling for this huge scam, he should just go and hide is face

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it depict how shallow minded you are, in the midst of multitude there are good and bad counsel.

The best you can do is ask, why did i insult him, then i will explain.

You can't judge anything because obviously you too are not aware of the difference.

pfadom:
That's your problem! He has never complained of inadequacies, and has never given out of frustration. So why do you take pills over someone else's matter that is no problem to him.

then he should keep his foolishness to himself and not say it in public, other he will hear other people's harsh opinion, it's simple

BePrepared:
Calling someone stupid on top of his own money

Did he collect ya money to pay d tithe
Some of you here deserve oraimo cord

who cares about his money if he cannot use it do something meaningful for himself?

he should keep the awkward thing he has done to himself and not bring it to the public. Otherwise, he will certainly hear other people's harsh opinion

How can proudly say you make millions over the years only for you to willingly and blindly subject yourself to be defrauded and then you
come out in public to say it without expecting someone not to say that you are a fool?

Yes

Ok o

Veecruz:
Of course you do not see The Law was also there and was operating in that case.

The thief did many Lawful things on that cross as his last act and did not die in sin as you think. Rather he died doing good and even died doing good not to a man or a prophet were his reward is from the prophet but he did it to God!

The thief gave justice where Jesus got injustice. He gave light while Jesus was plunged into darkness He condemned the evil while honouring and respecting the good which he openly declared that Jesus did.

Therefore the thief did The Law in that he did to another, that which should be done to him.

Thus, he did the good, and a good that was even done and given to The Lord Hinself, and not just to any Obi, Tinubu or Atiku, but The Lord Himself, therefore as The Law hath Said, good must be done to him, according to The Law!

Law Beginning, Law Ending!

So nothing for you, and you shall have no rest nor peace no matter how much you invoke self deceit, for there is no rest for Liars nor is there any place for a Lie to stand. For The Law Always Rules and Rules Absolutely!

Ok, I'm done with you

Veecruz:
Told you before, The Law is the servant of its Maker.and therefore only works only on those who are less than it and under it.

you see now, you don carry yourself by yourself and with your hands go put for tight Conner with your lies and confusion

And that is why The Law of sinking in water did not hold Christ nor The Law of gravity when He ascended to heaven nor The Law of death when He entered it and came out by Himself, wothout anyone praying for Him as Elijah and Elisha did to others.
So, Christ is above The Law because He is The LawMaker, which you see no other person was able to these things because, everyonelse in the world is under The Law!

So, your final answer is, Christ is not under law?
Good!

And i have already shown you that Grace is the Application of Law. Grace is Law in Motion!

How come that the Grace Jesus pronounced to the thief that he will be with him in paradise was not given to the thief but rather, he was killed by the law since you say Grace is law in motion ?

Luke 23:43

Veecruz:
The quote shows that Nature shows The Law and every thing in this world is all UNDER LAW!

Is Christ under the law?
Or let's put it this way is Grace under the law?

Michael547 or michael Smith, come and see this one o

MaxInDHouse:
If you can't convince others over what Jesus said then you're not competent enough to be a disciple of Christ! Act 17:3
Politicians often hire motivational speakers to convince people to vote for them such a speaker will be prepared to explain to the details everything you need to know or ask about the candidate he's speaking for.
For your information that's exactly the same thing a Christian should be able to do when it comes to preaching about Jesus of Nazareth!

unfortunately, not all Christians are motivational speakers

Veecruz:
Romans 2:14 KJV: For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law,

This scripture you quoted is not saying that a Christian can exhaust and used up this grace through Christ.
It is simply saying that when the gentiles who do not have the law but keep the law by nature

And you already know that by nature, when you have been forgiven once, you put yourself in serious risk and jeopardy when you do the very things for which you have been forgiven as like the wicked servant.

all these things you are saying is according to the law.

What i have been saying all these while has nothing to do with the law.
I have been saying that we are saved through Grace which is in Christ Jesus, is that too difficult to understand?

So why are you now bringing the law into it?

Yes, I'm still waiting, where is the scripture Veecruz, lers see who is the Lier? ;

As for that one called Michael 547 that i ignored,I just dey laff am
You better follow and see how this Veezruz fellow knows nothing about the bible.

You people think religion is a straight line gragh?
Una go confuse

Veecruz:
So, you know that you have exhausted and used up your grace.

do you have any scriptural reference in support of this?

Next person

Michael547:
Did Jesus say that no matter what I do, I will enter heaven? Yes or no?

.
Ok, I'm out

MaxInDHouse:
Conviction is ability to EXPLAIN to others what you read if you can't convince others then the book in your hand is useless.
Imagine someone coming to you for the first time without prior knowledge of what the book contains will you just believe what he read out simply because it was written?
Most of you only claim you believe because that's what your parents or people around you also say you're not really convinced about what is written in the book!

Conviction is personal.
If you are not the person that is convinced you can't track it
You can't pin it down
You can only assume.
And your assumption can never be right about the person because the human mind is dynamic in thinking.

And moreover, you can't tell a 6 years old child to explain what he believe.
With what words can he possibly use to do the explanation?

He has believe, that is the most important thing

Michael547:
E no sure for you be that....you sef no dey convinced about your teaching

Like how?
Someone said something and i believe what he said.
You ask me the same thing and i show you the person that said it that made me to believe.

How then does that prove that I'm not convinced or are you me ?