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KnownUnknown:
Yet you can’t even state where this atrocity happened.

you can Google it and see it for yourself

Here are your precious Europeans:

Europe can never be precious to me than Africa, it's not possible.
And that's why i seek correction of fundamental beliefs and errors originated from both traditional and religious institutions in Africa towards a better society for our posterity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

I do not seek to correct ancient European excesses that mostly does not apply anymore in their today modern societies

There is no such thing as “sub Saharan” Africans. It’s just some utterly meaningless and demeaning classification meant to separate Africans from North Africa.

have you taken time to Google the meaning of sub-sahara Africa, what did you see?

Back to the topic, the Christians also practiced slavery so I don’t know why you acted as if it was solely an African atrocity. Matter of fact, the Christians were worst slavers than anything the Africans. All of them are mindless, meaningless, nonsensical rituals.

I never disputed the fact that slavery was, and is still part of Christianity.
I only debunked your assertion that Christianity brought the evil experienced today in Africa by saying that the evil was already there before the introduction of Christianity

Prayer consists mindless statements an and babble, communion is a mindless joke of “eating and drinking the body of a magic Jew”. Processions are a mindless rituals consisting of walking and gibberish.

I can also list unnecessary ritualistic behavior of theists too.
Some of them went to drink alcohol to stupor
and start having public sex in the name of celebrating their freedom from a god, can you imagine that?

Yes, all the rituals your religion entails.



Your evidence is probably as strong as the “killing of twins”. If you want unjudicious killing, european Christian history is filled with bloody mayhem.




https://medium.com/belover/top-10-massacres-by-christians-in-modern-history-2cb4ccd70734

Here below is the head Christian declaring innocent people who had never heard of his bullshit “the enemies of Christ” that should be robbed and killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Diversas



What the Bleep is god?
Your question doesn’t detract from the fact that Israelis’ repulsive beliefs inspires atrocities.

no it does!

The palestinians and Israelis are both struggling for space and resources. That has nothing to do with religion

KnownUnknown:
Can you please identify where in Nigeria they practiced this killing of twins and how widespread it was.

It can’t be the Yorubas who value twins so much that they have special names for them. It can’t be the Hausas and Fulanis that love to have multitudes of children. I don’t think the Igbo nations were killing twins either. So why claim that killing of twins was prevalent when it was just one obscure tribe that no one evens knows the name that allegedly practiced this act?

the tribe isn't obscure, only that it is one of minority tribe.
The Yorubas were known for using fellow humans as sacrifice, killing them to apease orunmila, obatala and sango until they were caught up with modernization just recently.
The hausas were known for invading communities and slaughtering their defenseless citizens only to establish centralized caliphates that was used to rule the region as championed by utman Dan fodio of the 15th century.
This same mindless killing strategy was later adopted for the spread of Islam in the religion. Though the strategy was traditionally motivated initially.

So, you see, religion is never the cause of Africa's problems. The problems have been there long before the introduction of foreign religions

KnownUnknown:
There was no widespread killing of twins.

atleast it was excess of a known African culture and was never a culture that was imported from Europe

Slavery is universal including amongst the Christians you place on a pedestal.

including African cultures too, even long before Sub-Saharan Africans had encountered Europeans.
So, it was never a thing imported by the early Christian missionaries

“Mindless rituals”are part of religion including your Christianity.

mindless rituals like what?
Prayer isn't mindless
Communion isn't mindless
Periodic processions aren't mindless.

Do you know what it means to say a ritual is mindless?
Most of such rituals involves unjudicious killing or distorting from fellow humans which were a thing of African religious rites

Lack of common sense is universal

And is individualistic, not a function of any religion.
There are atheists that lack common sense too…
So lack of common sense is not something that can be generalized hastily

which you also display by disparaging indigenous religions for the same ideas foreign religions promote.

sources of the same idea are optional.
One may choose to get the idea from traditional institutions, another person will maintain his absolute liberty to get it from other means order than traditional institutions, it's a free world.

Talking about killing; Christians have killed more people than all the indigenous religions combined.

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Upload it here

The god you place on a pedestal has more murderous stories about it and continues to inspire bloodthirsty people e.g. the avaricious Israeli bigots

what about survival of the fitest, is it inspired by god?

Dtruthspeaker:
Stupid Wailer! E no work.

Continue to dey holla and abuse and dey make noise like the mumu you be, e no go still better for you.

These are your consistent stupid responses.
Always having issues with people which shows that you have a very serious fundamental problem

[quote author=yemmit90 post=128869208]Probably out of a mere projection, Baba normally postulate goods things toward a new year as a father in lord and always ask people to pray against bad ones but people are so quick in tagging it prophecies.[/quote[ ok

I can boldly say it again, no one see anything. Humans and nature are dynamic and extremely subject to change. Nothing is programmed anywhere, life goes as you view it, people are made base on their genetic composition. Society, culture, climate, believes system can also determine, mode and influence Humans.

Exactly

Paying tithe and offering is like paying school fees without getting knowledge of the faith we practice.

If pastors are willing to research scriptures and update their doctrines according to how the bible teaches about faith, then we don't have problem giving any amount to the church, it's simple

Dtruthspeaker:
See frustrated animal.

Keep hollering and abusing me and continue your noise making noise, e no go till better for you and garri go still reach N3000 for modu. Cursed man.

See your primitive sense!
Shame nor dey catch you for this your mumu mentality abi you nor know say you don old?

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of post Liar! You were talking about Africa and not about "Europeans, Americans, Australians".

in your mind Africa has no other choice but to wait for God, while Europe, America and other nations who have developed their world have choice?
You must be very myopic African traditionalist who uses religion to cover his ignorance„not knowing that ethics is universal

So continue your noise making noise we shall see if it changes antything.

What is noice?
You mumu o

For your info, a lot of mumu religious folks like you have read my posts on this forum and have gotten sense and have changed their perception about religion and have started practicing religion rightly,
There is absolutely nothing you can do about that.
Mumu!

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no other choice but to wait for God

Lies!
Look at Europeans, Americans, Australians and other reasonable people, did they wait for God?
No

They reformed their education systems.a long time ago.

but you can continue your noise making noise we shall see if it changes antything.

Certainly, it will not change anything.
But it will just be the record that someone has spoken which is far better than seeing the truth and not speak at all

Dtruthspeaker:
When they were could you or your fathers throw them out?

Were they not the same ones giving you education and educating you? And even tomorrow people are still selling their lands and houses running to whete they are begging them to enlave and educate them.

Its a lost cause men! All that remains now is for God to fornat this world,

keep waiting for God.

Waiting for God is the attitude of Africans that has continued enslaving them just like the way they had waited for juju traditionalists and ifa priests all these centuries but of no vail

Dtruthspeaker:
They cant!
The white bandits only physically left Africa but did not leave Africa. They are still ruling Africa and their slavery still continues as proven by this threads.

https://www.nairaland.com/7566340/ever-worked-where-submit-phone#120855511

https://www.nairaland.com/3018597/know-corporate-slavery-yet-stay#44237826

https://www.nairaland.com/7760358/slave-masters-work-place#124352078

who allows the white bandits to continue enslave Africa mentally ?

Therefore Africa needs to educate themselves, no one will help them do that

yemmit90:
No human has the ability to forseen the future event, you can only predicts on the basis of current circumstances but you will never know exactly what is going to happen.

The earlier Nigerians understand that a man is better off being logically sounds than being dogma, the better for us. Religions are only good because it gives hope to pacify already troubled minds, but amount to nothing in terms of humans cognitive development.

so, what's the point for the likes of Adeboye doing new year prophecies since they cannot see the future like anyone else?

The way he did not foresee covid 19

Una suffer never start.
This time around, una go beg for dustbin, and God of miracle go dey heaven dey laugh.
Mumu people!

Dtruthspeaker:
This is not True!

It is actually the same white bandits who destroyed Africa with their Curses and use of half Truths and the evil use of good.

so, after the white bandits destroyed Africa, what did Africans do to recover from the destruction over the years?

Corruption!

It's as if Africans are so determined to destroy themselves the more and put the blame on unfortunate history

Lies!

The greatest evil done to Africa is the dogmatic continuation of traditional gods/Juju and deities and their traditional institutions that had encouraged ignorant African practices like killing of twins,traditional slavery and mindless ritualism and lack of common sense over the centuries, before Africans had interacted with Europeans in the mid 14th century

Oyakhilome is absolutely right here

dadexcel:
For my Christian brothers, please I need clarification on this... Today's topic in RCCG sunday school talked about heaven and those that are already there.... Some of whom include dead saints of Old, prophets etc. My question is , based on what PAUL said in first thess 4 where he stated that at the trumpet sound the dead in Christ would rise first before we that are Holy at the time will meet them in the sky and we will finally join our saviour in heaven. So I need to know, if the dead saints are presently in heaven, who are the ones that will rise first at the trumpet sound.....

the bible uses a lot of figure of speeches just like parables that needs interpretations.
Here are the interpretation of the statement TO MEET THEM IN THE SKY.

To humans back then in bible days as at the time that scripture was documented, they usually see the sky as heaven, not knowing that beyond the sky there is a vacuum space.

The question now is, what is heaven actually, is heaven the sky?
The answer is no!

Heaven is right inside our spirit.

2 Corinthians 6:16 .....for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So, when that scripture says TO MEET THEM IN THE SKY it actually meant TO MEET THEM IN OUR SPIRIT.

what is our spirit?
Our spirit is that faith we have in Christ that we will be resurrected immediately we die.
Now, resurrection takes place hear on earth.
So, all those old prophets you mentioned HAVE ALL BEEN RESURRECTED and they are still alive today with us, here on this earth.
Meaning, they have met with us, not in the sky but hear on earth is the real sense.

This is the full interpretation of the scripture 1 thes 4

Beautifulday:
I am not talking about doctrine. I am talking about people giving glory go the God of their pastor whom they don't know just because he does miracle.

This is how to know scammers.
Scammers will selfishly impersonify that the God that was meant for all denominations, is the God of their own denomination only, just to portray that more miracles are performed in their denomination than eksewhere so that they will have more members all for the money

Ebios:
l am an English teacher. l usually encourage my students to study and sometimes tell them that they can be more knowledgeable than l am in English( as some of my teachers used to say then).

Even in a family,it has been correctly and repeatedly said that the prayer of a father/mother is "MY CHILD SHOULD BE BETTER THAN I AM".

Statements like these are made to encourage a lesser person to attain great heights.


However, my pastor shocked me when he said in the congregation openly, " I HAVE ALWAYS TOLD U IN THIS CHURCH THAT YOU CAN'T BE MORE SPIRITUAL THAN YOUR PASTOR... "
Dear Nairalanders especially pastors,is my pastor's statement correct?
l see PRIDE and IGNORANCE in that statement.
If l am wrong, pls educate me.

Why do you want to be spiritual in the first place?
Is being spiritual a criterion to make heaven?

Pekun210:
Though both maybe beneath but one distuiguish them is everyone has appointment with death will so will be buried in the grave.both the good,holy,innocent,wicked,bad will go into the grave but everyone cannot go to hell.hell is for the sinners and the saint will be rejoicing in heaven singing hosannah

In reality and according to scriptures, hell fire is grave and not fire burning people.
The difference is, when a believer dies, he is resurrected and does not remain in the grave or hell fire.
But when an unbeliever dies, he remains dead in the grave forever, no resurrection.

Presh555:
I have been longing to ask, with the rate of sin even on the pulpit on a daily basis.

What are the criteria to make heaven?

Please I need answers. Thanks in anticipation.

the only thing that keeps one holy is his faith in Christ, that is the only criterion to be in heaven.

A scripture says without faith it is impossible to please God.

So, whether you go to the pulpit to commit shit or not, it doesn't really matter to God.

Your body is a better pulpit to God than some constructed pulpit in front of church

MightySparrow:
I like your theory. I wish you know that life's graph is not always a straight line through the origin.

is the reason why we should work towards straighting the line graph rather than wasting unnecessary time for religious principles like quiet time that has no proof of it reliability

he targets of today can be the obstacles of tomorrow.

the same thing can be experienced by regular quiet timists who didn't take time to plan their day but rely only on their prayers

The God you don't give time to know today, you will want him to give prompt intervention.

a scripture says the same rain that falls on the farm of a good person is the same rain that waters the farm of the wicked, how will you explain that?

You are likely to now need the advice of someone who patiently cultivate the habit of knowing Him or repeat the course yourself. Until you are in a problem you don't know what faith is. You don't develop faith muscles overnight. In the place of quite time, you know God intimately.

The question now is, after knowing God through the quiet time, what else?
Do you continue to do the quiet time and waste quality time you would have used to pursue better things?

I don't think that God want us to be time wasteful

nonhuman:
whenever I experience that phenomenon when I wake up I usually see myself sleeping facing the cieling but if I sleep facing sideways I will have no such paralysis

in that case, sleep paralysis has a physiological link?

justlove91:
During lucid dream, we experience a reality that is an hallucination.
During Astral projection, we experience a reality that has it own objective existence ie not an hallucination.

I have not experienced astral projection.
Have you??

can another observer see the traveling body of the person experiencing Astral projection?

cutecommend:
The purpose of quiet time is not mainly for having achievements, but to grow spiritually.

you are very correct!

But what if the Christian is already grown spiritually, is quiet time still necessary?

Kingson28:
[/quote]It is very obvious that you are not a true and genuine Christian

Quiet time isn't what defines a true or Genuine Christian

- just a mere churchgoer

there is nothing like MERE Christian or a superior Christian.
You don't judge the things of the spirit by the physical mind

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

how do you know?

because Dangote for example is a Muslim and i don't think Muslims quite time.

And non of our Christians who quite time is as wealthy as him

ebubeson:
You may have a good quiet time for 30 minutes

30 minutes?
Chinekeme!!!

For what now?
30 seconds prayer is enough and I'm gone.

I can't come and stress myself inside religion o

lexy2014:
how do you know?

as a matter of fact there are Muslims and Babalawo traditionalists and even atheists who don't pray, talkless of quiet time, yet they achieve more than Christians how spent hours quietiming.

Life is not about quietiming
It's about knowing the right thing to do and do it

It depend on the Christian.
Not all Christians have that time to spend.
Some people already have their targets for the day, wakes up and say a little prayer for less than one minute and off they go.
And they will achieve so much for the day than those who spent hours quieting their time

judedwriter:
It is spiritual oppression.... by demons, witches and wizards.

These forces are very real but unfortunately some people think they are imaginary.

have you first understood the science behind sleep paralysis before concluding that it is a spiritual oppression?