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damilola4162:the question one will ask is, who is then a Christian? Because, many of us not knowing who a Christian should be, is causing confusion in Christianity until I was in my early 20s. Many people are like me up till now.actually,these are secondary reasons why people go to church. In church, you can never see for example devoted Muslims there. Everyone you see in church were either born into Christian homes and were brought up by Christian parents to be Christians and churchgoers, or they were preached to, and were converted from their previous religion, example Islam, into Christianity. This is the primary reason that you see people in churches. With this fact in mind, the question is, who is a Christian? |
damilola4162:But everyone born in a Christian home by virture of the fact that they were brought up by their Christian parents to believe, and everyone attending church meetings have believed in the resurrection of Christ Jesus that's why they are there. otherwise they will be in mosques being Muslims and not believing in Christ. Or they will be atheists not going to church at all. Or they will be traditionalists being in shrines and not church. Have you ever consider that Faith is what justifies to eternal life. and your faith is your religion? |
steveodo:it is a scam to the highest order. Rather you should be asking, how were you converted from your previous religion or Faith into the Christian Faith which is required for your salvation? a scripture says without Faith(not without being born again) it is impossible to please God |
GanagiBeetrus:in the context of that scripture, to blaspheme means to reject the holy spirit. You can't talk bad about the holy spirit unless you are not a believer of the holy spirit. And who was the holy spirit that was talked bad against? He was Jesus Christ himself. So, in the nutshell, blaspheming against the holy spirit which implies talking bad against Jesus Christ is simply rejecting to believe in Christ for your salvation. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. It is not possible for a Christian to blaspheme against the holy spirit seeing that he is a believer. Therefore, there is no sin that cannot be forgiven except the sin of unbelief. Only an unbeliever will blasheme against Christ. |
Boomark:I certainly agree that believers should avoid sin. But let's fact check these scriptures you quoted, you will see that the bible cannot contradict itself. Meaning, believers ought to keep the law or avoid sin for their sakes here on earth. Not for them going to heaven. There is no scripture in the bible that outrightly shows that a Christian who commit sin will go to hell. scriptures where people who believed were rejected.fact check this scripture please. Was Jesus talking to Christians? The answer is no! We are talking about Christians, not disciples who believed before the on-set of Christianity. So you see, bible can never contradicts itself Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’the same thing here. The many disciples Jesus was talking about here were never Christians. Remember, they were up to 5000 disciples the bible described as multitudes that eat five loaves of bread and two fishes? Quite many And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’fact check again! How many of these 5000 disciples stood for Christ at the point when he was about to be crucified? They all ran away now. They already started going away before then. John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. So, they were never Christians. Even Peter had denied Christ 3 times. if not for God, he wouldn't have been Christian Your salvation is about you being Christian, not you being righteous by your works or stop practicing sin. Yes, it's good to stop practicing sin, but that isn't a criterion Those who practice sin will be rejected. Your beliefbut the bible didn't specify that any of them practice sin. Is there anything like that? Matthew 25:41-45he was talking to the multitudes in this is scripture. Non of the multitudes were Christians This is for the those who refused to do the will of God by helping the needy around them. Some people think their tithe will take them to heaven, they are deceiving themselves. Those who had the opportunity to ask him questions are those who are surprised their belief in him was not a guarantee.helping the needy will never take anyone to heaven. Tithe will never take anyone either. Only believing in Christ will do. Jesus says I'm the way. Meaning, Christianity is the way, not Islam. So we are justified by our faith, not by our works of the law. That means helping the needy can never be the way. Tithe can never be the way. Keeping the law can never be the way Revelation 2:3-5it was very possible that the churches mentioned here in revelation, had abandoned their faith in Christ and began into idolatry that's why they were cautioned. Not that they were sinful or something. |
tctrills:Ok, I agree with you on this and I'm getting it now because it is important to shift grounds when I see something new to learn.. What you are saying is, on the basis of, if the individual is not saved then he needs salvation first which is most important than anything else ? But all i have been saying is, when the individual already has the knowledge of Christ and is saved which is most important, then acquiring the knowledge of how his environment works is also important . To this effect, i totally agree with you that the revelations given to modern pastors are most important than the revelations of science. But only on the backdrop that the revelations are only of Jesus Christ and his salvation. ![]() |
tctrills:believing in Jesus has nothing to do with understanding your world. If you were to be employed as a caterer and you don't know how to cook rice when it is needed, there is nothing Jesus can do for you in that aspect except you learn the science of cooking rice which is important for the job. Answer; I would be saved in the kingdom of God.you being saved in the kingdom only require Jesus. That has nothing to with whether you understand science or not. So you see, both are important for you equally. Jesus is important where it is needed, which is your salvation. And science is important where it is needed, which is this world. You can't do away with any of them. It is important to understand that science encompasses everything you do to be alive |
tctrills:ofcourse! Constructive criticism is usually a welcomed development. It brings a better way of doing things only if those in charge are humble enough to take the correction that comes with the criticism whether it was Paul era or now. Now , if you look at the parable of Jesus i pointed out, the field in the parable represent the world. You will notice that the field which is the world wasn't destroyed. Hence, this world is the Lord's and it fulness thereof. The point is, every revelation,be it science based or of religion, are geared towards making this world a better place therefore they are equally important. But it seems our pastors thinks that religious revelations are more superior, which is not so. |
tctrills:Exactly! So again I know you are wrong when you said science based revelations are of equal importance as the revelations of the spirit. Remember your Bible talks about the difference between the canal mind and the spiritual mind.that who are the canally minded and who are the spiritually minded? You see, our pastors have failed to distinguish between them and that's the problem. I'm not saying they are not trying, I'm only say that let their education be more accurate and precise. This will help curb the many confusions in Christianity. You have agreed that we are saved to inherit the promises of Christ, not just only eternal life. So, you see that the promises of Christ are equally important as eternal life. Because, of what essence is life when you don't enjoy the things thereof or do we live to agony? God forbid! We live to replenish this world. As we go about the task professionally, we also enjoy the fruit of our labour. The reward of the greatest scientist is nothing compared to that of the ignorant illiterate who keeps the commandments of God.due to variation, sure! But that not withstanding, the message of the gospel is one, so variation isn't an excuse not to be accurate with it. And it summerizes in this parable of Jesus Christ Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Matthew13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Mathhew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. So, what do you take of this parable? Because, i know that after carefully applying what Jesus meant, i now know that what our pastors are doing especially in Africa, are simply child's play, shared ignorance and exploitive at the expense of the poor. So, even when the government is doing the same, the church cannot summon the moral courage fight against the impunity as the light of the world. In Europe, this problem has been solved largely. I took time to study how religion is practiced in Europe and some other parts of the world and soon discover that Africans just like suffering for nothing out of ignorance. |
tctrills:very correct 2. We are not in a 3rd covenant.very correct Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.no! revelations are not restricted to new covenant or religion. Revelation can be in science, technology, accounting, commerce and every spheres of knowledge. I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.what are we saved for? Is it not for us to live forever according to how God created Adam and Eve from the on-set, to replenish the earth as instructed by God when he created mankind from the beginning? Genesis 1:28 What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.but we are not loosing our soul. We have been bought through Christ. Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Oh, you don't know that we have been translated already? That is the structure of religion I am talking about that Paul preached that our current day pastors have failed to preach But then we are mostly on the same page.I can see that you are already equipped scripturally to understand |
tctrills:Every Christians are equally servants of God Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. So, God can reveal himself to any Christian, not just only pastors . As a matter of fact, revelations of God is not restricted to Christians alone or the religion circle alone to reveal. God encompasses everything we can perceive with our five senses. Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. There are so many unbelievers, atheists, Muslims and even idolaterers fornicators, drunkards, whom God had used in time past, without them knowing that it was God that gave them the ability to reveal great discoveries in science, technology, medicine, art, graphics, economics, accounting, entertainment etc Now if he does, are his present day revelations in anyway inferior to those in the bible?No! whatever category of revelation be it in religion, science, art, entertainment, commerce, etc, they are all equally important. No one is superior or inferior to the other. The same was applied to bible days. During the medieval era when most of the biblical events occurred, we have heard of people like Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Alexander the Great and a lot of great characters of the Greek mythology. They did not stop the revelation of John about Jesus Christ we have read in the bible. The difference is that, our modern day revelations and discoveries are much more better due to advancement in education, science and technology. Only that religion has become backward due to dogmatism. I hope these are clear enough questions for you now.God speaks to everyone in their own little way. If a pastor, educator or even parents is privileged to guide another person then it should be done through knowledge and understanding. Gone are the days God will reveal things to people in vision and in dreams like we saw in the book of revelation. You have to acquire knowledge which is the greatest power. 2. Are his words to them inferior to those given to his servants in the bible?I can tell that most pastors today are knowledgeable people. Examples are pastor Adeboye, pastor David Oyedepo, pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Bishop Wale Ajayi etc. I don't think that there is any servant of God in the bible that has ever attend the kind of vast knowledge and understanding possessed by these modern day pastors and ordinary Christians like me and you living today. Only that, servants of God in bible like Paul, Peter, James and John understood the structure of religion and work with it. And us today, inspite our vast knowledge, revelations and wisdom in literacy and reading books, our pastors keep confusing themselves our simple structure of religion, and that isn't good for us, and is largely responsible for the confusions we have in religion today. 3. Does his present revelations constitute a 3rd covenant?No! It's still the same covenant Christ came with |
tctrills:to be frank with you, i don't know one revelation that was given to pastor Adeboye, that's why i say you should mention one. For you to start saying that there was revelation given to pastor Adeboye, that means you have heard about the revelation? So why don't you say it? |
tctrills:Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Revelation 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Take note of the emboldened. The revelation of John was specifically centred on Jesus Christ that's why it was documented in the bible. If you are saying that pastor Adeboye's revelation for example, should also be documented in the bible, then mention one example of any such kind of Adeboye's revelation that he has revealed that is worth included in the bible. Is that too difficult? |
tctrills:I cannot answer your question until you specify one example of revelation given to local pastors. All the revelations in the bible are being specified, you know them. So, i can't answer your question until you do the needful. No one can answer your question either until you specify |
tctrills:first covenant waa Abrahamic covenant, hence the old testament was written to Israelites. Second covenant was that of Christ, hence the new testament was written and added. So, if there is any necessity to add to the bible, then there must be a third covenant perhaps of the local pastor adding to the bible, not of Christ. Whether the revelations in bible are anymore important than that of Local pastors? We already know the revelations in the bible. Let's hear that of local pastors and compare it with that of the bible. The revelations of the bible will always be superior. while that of the local pastors will never stand a chance, therefore will not possibly added to the bible |
tctrills:OK, . I would love to see where you got that from. A bible reference would do.it's not bible reference. Most African traditions believe that. They put it that the voice of man can also be the voice of God in some circumstance. Especially in parental advice. And this has proven right in most cases since parents were usually experienced in life, compared to their children. Secondly, I am not speaking about scientific instructions or revelations. I am speaking specifically about revelations from men of God.so, what revelation do God give to these men of God that will warrant it to be written in a bible, Revelation about a third covenant? |
tctrills:Revelations of what exactly, science or religion? Because the book of revelation centred on Christ and nothing else You saw my question that the emphases were pertaining to the resurrection of Christ right? So, why are you ignoring that? You should be asking if God has spoken again to mankind since after the book of revelationsthere are various ways God speaks to people. For instance, if a child goes astray and his parent speaks to him, it ia believed that God is speaking to the child through his parents, there is nothing new about that You seem to believe that everything God said outside the compiled books in the bible is of less quality.no! wrong assumption. I think I have already said that other books have their relevance. For instance, I believe that that God inspired scientists to write their books too. So, the relevance of a science book is science, and that of the book of revelation is Christ. So, i can't possibly say that a science book is of lower quality, seeing that what a science book seek to address has no bearing for comparison with the book of revelation. Hence, the question i asked you, do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to Christ? I don't expect you to mention a science book or any book that is irrelevant of Christ |
tctrills:do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to the death and resurrection of Christ? Mention it let's see |
tctrills:your question says as relevant as the bible. Other books have their own relevance, but not as relevant as the bible pertaining to his new covenant |
tctrills:no other book |
tctrills:Exactly! And every other person God spoke to after then, is not included again in the bible.
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tctrills:no one is saying the new covenant ended with revelation. Rather, the point is, revelation ended with John who wrote it , but the new covenant continues. |
tctrills:That Christ should restore life back to mankind which was lost when Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning. 1 Cor 15:22 2. Are you saying that God's covenant with man was not completed until after the book of Revelations was written?the book of Revelation is part of the new testament which is also part of the new covenant that commences from the book of Acts of the Apostles down to the book of Revelation 3. Many Christians died before the book of revelations was written, did they not have a covenant with God?So long these Christians started being Christians from the book of Acts of the Apostles, they all have covenant with God |
Whether Africans get blood money from babalawo shrine or miracle money from the church or even cele,it is solely their characteristics to be primitive and diabolical at some point they don't understand anymore irrespective of whether na church or babalawo. To them, the mythological statement anything works for them is real.. To them, tithing works. Offering works. Holy water works Candles works Die by fire and thunder works So, a simple prayer that Jesus will teach his disciples like "Our father, who hath in heaven.. " they have turn their own to long diabolical rituals Yet, Africa is still among the poorest continent |
tctrills:The aim of God inspiring humans to write the bible was to establish an everlasting covenant between him and mankind. After that, there was no point continue inspiring humans to write anymore, since the everlasting covenant has been achieved through Christ |
First of all, Everything you have written up there,though they are all rebukable, but they are never criteria for hell John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God Listen to what Christ said. He didn't say he is condemned because he did anything else. Rather, he said he is condemned just simply because he didn't believe. So, the only criteria for anyone to go hell is not anything else, but simply refusal to believe. John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Secondly, why only women? What about the atrocities men are doing against their wives too? |
what a religious discriminative unrealistic advice. |
You know, It is also very deceiving for some atheists, not all atheists because there are also good atheists, to generalise that all religious folks are stupid simply because they had encountered some stupid ones |
SmartyPants:Absolutely nothing! So will public distrust on INEC and electoral boycott in the future have nothing to do with the law. And remember before now, it was unlawful to waste or misappriate public funds for absolutely nothing, but now it is no more. Tommorow, if any public official is found wanting for misappropriation, then the law shouldn't come in. Because, reference will certainly be made on INEC 2023. About N105.25billion busgeted to acquire the equipments isn't child's play. These are public funds, not from Yakuku's bank account. So, if Yakubu isn't probed, then the law should stay clear in similar future occurence irrespective of public sector involved. |
SmartyPants:so, why did INEC spent public funds allocated to it to procure IRev equipments only for it to abandon the equipments and depend solely on manual collation? Was the equipments faulty? |
Donkogbe:Make another 240k from 24k next month and post it here, then someone will believe your lies. For your info, no one has ever succeeded in life through playing gambling |
MightySparrow:He was seen as the God of Israel in the past simply because it appeared only the nation of Israel recognized him whole heartedly in the old testament. But currently, he is recognized worldwide and therefore he is the God of the whole world he created, no one can take that from him. Whether he is playing games i don't think so. He is only being principled and should not be mistaken for games He created the world to be governed by principles from the on-set until man failed. Some of these principles will require humans to engage in science and researches to discover. But he had to break some of his principles and carry out supernatural miracles in the past, what can be easily considered a myth by unbelievers, which was never convenient for him, all in the bid to restore mankind back to the right track which he succeeded doing by his crucifixion and resurrection 2000 years ago Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. This is what he did to the world when we died and resurrected.(what is easily considered a myth by unbelievers) SEPARATION That notwithstanding, after that his principles continues. His principles never changed. We don't need myths or miracles to understand that matter is anything that has mass. Science encompasses every spheres of life such that, we also need it to study accounting, politics, business, graphics and even our day to day domestic activities at home. If only religion understand that objectivity supercedes dogmatism, then the world will be a better place Because right now, no one is controlling anybody. There is nothing like spiritual influence. We are all archetects of our lives in knowledge or ignorance. |
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