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Christianity EtcRe: Do Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 6:28pm On Dec 31, 2023
NNTR:
Luke 8:27-39
27Now when Jesus stepped out on land, He was met by a man from the city [of Gerasa] who was possessed with demons.
For a long time he had worn no clothes, and was not living in a house, but among the tombs.
28Seeing Jesus, he cried out [with a terrible voice from the depths of his throat]
and fell down before Him [in dread and terror], and shouted loudly,
“What business do we have [in common] with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?
I beg You, do not torment me [before the appointed time of judgment]!”
29Now He was [already] commanding the unclean spirit to come out of the man.
For it had seized him [violently] many times; and he was kept under guard and bound with chains and shackles,
but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert.
30Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, “Legion”; because many demons had entered him.
31They continually begged Him not to command them to go into the abyss.
32Now a large herd of pigs was feeding there on the mountain.
The demons begged Jesus to allow them to enter the pigs, and He gave them permission.
33Then the demons came out of the man and entered the pigs;
and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.
34When the herdsmen saw what had happened, they ran away and told it in the city and out in the country.
35And people came out to see what had happened. They came to Jesus, and found the man from whom the demons had gone out,
sitting at Jesus’ feet, clothed and in his right mind (mentally healthy); and they were frightened.
36Those who had seen it told them how the man who had been demon-possessed had been healed.
37Then all the people of the country of the Gerasenes and the surrounding district asked Him to leave them,
because they were overwhelmed with fear. So Jesus got into the boat and returned [to the west side of the Sea of Galilee].
38But the man from whom the demons had gone out kept begging Him, pleading to go with Him; but Jesus sent him away, saying,
39“Return home and tell [about] all the great things God has done for you.
” So the man went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done for him.
The man went away proclaiming Christ and winning souls for Christ.
I think that is enough reason for the miracle.

Now, the question is, in all the deliverances performed by pastors in churches today, how many of the delivered people were once mentally challenged people but are now living a normal life proclaiming Christ?
Can you mention one known person who was once a mentally derailed person that was healed by any pastor in Nigeria or anywhere else?
Just one!

Because, we are talking about known evidences or proofs here.

This is not to degrade miracles in anyway. But the aim is to ascertain the validity of the truth that we pteach as Christians in this modern era
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents],
but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this [present] darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) places.
we will come to this.
Let's talk about the mental case above first
The tail is not meant to wag the dog, its meant to be the other way (i.e. the dog be wagging the tail), however, though as we know it, our parents (i.e. A&E) and the serpent succumbed to the influence of Satan malevolent spirit, God already had in store the gifts of atonement for sin, reconciliation back to Him, redemption of souls and salvation of souls

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
ok
Christianity EtcRe: Do Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 5:49pm On Dec 31, 2023
Onyiiobi7735:
It didn't occur in a village.Moreover events like this do occur in urban areas.
do you believe that fictions and fairytales do exist?

Because from your story, you started by saying that a woman dreamt.
Whether she told you the dream or you saw the dream yourself you didn't indicate.

And secondly, what are the evidence that these kind of stories are real?
Can you mention the river involved ?
Spectacular stories like these must have references of similar occurence at the said river. And it should be known worldwide that the said river is known for swallowing children.
And that a known maimaid whose pictures are circulated worldwide is responsible for the mistery.
This is the only way your story can be accepted to be true or valid.

You know, if i tell you another story that i throw a bucket from the top of a building and it fell to the ground. Then no one can argue the validity of my story because my story is realistic.

But what you presented up there is fictional, unproven and unreliable
Christianity EtcRe: Do Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 1:49pm On Dec 31, 2023
Onyiiobi7735:
Bundle of trash . The spiritual controls the physical.A lot of things happening in the human world have already been approved and arranged in the Spirit World.
how will you proof that?
I remember a case in my place in 2018 where a woman dreamt that her only child died, and she didn't do anything about it, spiritually.
A few months later, the woman took her son to the farm to get vegetables.
There is a river where the farm is.
She was not attentive enough and her boy wandered off and fell inside a ditch by the river and died.
He didn't die immediately though,but was crying "Mummy, Mummy" for a long time, and by the time she paid attention, and searched for the boy,he was already dying.
Some people came and brought him out and soon he died.
The river where this happened is a hot spot for marine spirit worship.
So stop ranting and bleating.
Witches,marine spirits, wizards occult group exist .
Stop writing rubbish over what you don't know and understand.
Only fools think that way
The spirit doesn't control the physical,as you rant ,yet the Church of Satan exists in California.
Lol! Many blacks are cursed with a block head mentality.
why are such stories usually occur in the village and not in urban centres like Lagos?
Christianity EtcRe: Do Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 1:41pm On Dec 31, 2023
Johnycastro18:
sorry, which biblical character?
Jabez

1 Chronicles 4:9 And Jabez was more honourable than his brethren: and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, Because I bare him with sorrow.

The name Jabez wasn't honourable.
As a matter of fact, the name was a curse from his mother who bare him with sorrow
Christianity EtcRe: An Urgent Message To Christains About The Faith of Christianity In The West by paxonel(m): 1:31pm On Dec 31, 2023
HISSCRIBE1995:
RELGION AND FAITH ARE NOT EXPRESSLY THE SAME, ALTHOUGH FAITH COULD BE USE TO REFER TO RELIGION BECAUSE RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES REQUIRES FAITH
Well, when it comes to bible days as it applies, the word Faith was referred to as religion.

For instance, Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
This implies that it takes the word of God for someone to be converted into a new Faith
Specifically, converted or conviction from Judaism(old covenant) to Christianity (new covenant).
Such conviction comes from the heart

Romans 10: 10  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The implication of this is that, most Christians in our current day Africa don't see religion as a thing that comes from conviction in the heart.
They want to see you practice religion before they know that you truly believe.
But in Europe and most educated populations like the UK, America, Canada and Australia, Most people practice religion in their heart and hardly do religious activities.
That's why it appears to you that Christianity is declining in Europe.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 8:17am On Dec 31, 2023
Johnycastro18:
I object, I believe the spiritual controls the physical

Whatever happens in the physical has in a way been control in the spiritual...
Saying the spiritual doesn't exist is quite laughable grin
you know, there was a biblical character that was cursed, but he ended up becoming a great man through self awareness and the curse did not have any effect on him.
This has been proven to be true from other people's experiences.
Can you proof the existence of any spirit that is controlling or manipulating anyone today?
Christianity EtcRe: Do Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 8:01am On Dec 31, 2023
Amotolongbo:
Na the physical dey control spirit
as a matter of fact, that is the simple truth
Christianity EtcDo Spirits Control The Physical? by paxonel(op): 7:54am On Dec 31, 2023
From all indications and human Experiences, no spirit controls the physical.
Everything happens to us by chance, and it will take our physical efforts(which includes intelligence and self awareness) to alter the chance of any unfortunate/misfortunate or fortunate situations that may happen to us as humans.
God has given us the absolute free-will.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

The same power possessed by Jesus, has been given to you. You don't need to be scared of any spiritual uncertainty.
Actually, spiritual uncertainties do not exist.
What exist is you.


You are the most important thing that has ever happened to the creation.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Humans are the ones controlling the physical and not any spirit.
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John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Though we are born of the spirit, our body is made of the physical flesh which must be harnessed to effect our world positively through self education and intellectual development.

Failure to priortize self education, you find yourself accusing demons, witches and wizards which do not exist in the first place for your misfortunes, thereby creating avenues for men of God who are psychological exploiters, to exploit you financially
Christianity EtcRe: An Urgent Message To Christains About The Faith of Christianity In The West by paxonel(m): 9:18pm On Dec 29, 2023
HISSCRIBE1995:
RELIGION IS THE NOT SAME AS FAITH ALTHOUGH IT TAKES FAITH TO BE RELIGIOUS .
MEANWHILE RELIGION AND FAITH COULD BE USED INTERCHANGEBLY BUT EACH HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE DEFINATION.
the Oxford dictionary defines religion as commitment to a religious Faith and also defines Faith as having a strong conviction of something.
Invariably, religion is simply commitment to what you are convinced of.
So, if you are convinced that God exist such that you are committed to him in anyway, then you are into religion or faith.

When the word Faith is used in the bible, it refers covenant.
For instance, Abraham had faith in God it was counted to him for righteousness. This faith of Abraham towards God was seen as the old covenant.
The same vain, the Christian Faith through Christ is seen as the new covenant

Also take note : the word religion was never used in the bible being that it is a contemporary word for faith used at that time.

So, religion and Faith invariably are the same thing.
Do you agree?
Christianity EtcRe: An Urgent Message To Christains About The Faith of Christianity In The West by paxonel(m): 3:45pm On Dec 29, 2023
HISSCRIBE1995:
EM GLAD I WROTE THIS FOR HIS SAKE
what is Christianity?
Is there any difference between the word religion and the word faith?

You may ask, how are these questions related to your post?
You will soon discover if you accurately get the answers to these questions
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are These Signs Spoken By Jesus Not Following Believers Today? by paxonel(m): 9:27am On Dec 28, 2023
MindHacker9009:
So those signs were just for entertainment at that time because the people at that time were not wise.
lets say, an ancient primitive world will see fictional entertainments(which may be described as shadow of things to come in the real and contemporary literate world) as miracles or signs, it is normal.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are These Signs Spoken By Jesus Not Following Believers Today? by paxonel(m): 8:11am On Dec 28, 2023
MindHacker9009:
The signs will prove that Jesus is the one that sent them and that they are not just deceivers.
and then souls will be won to Christ?

Understand the era we are living today.
People are much more wiser than watching magic circles where entertainers pick up snakes and drink poisons for the show.

Even children are not moved by such feats anymore
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are There Different Beliefs In Churches Today by paxonel(m): 8:04am On Dec 28, 2023
DREAMHOMES6970:
Please rational response guys.

Most of our Top fathers in the Christian faith have different beliefs in the faith... As regarding "Christmas celebration" I recently watched an old video of kumuyi (deeper life) strongly expressing his disbelief to Christmas celebration as he said it wasn't biblical while another top father in the faith Adeboye (Rccg) believes well in Christmas celebration.... I believe both men of God serve and always hear from the same God but why the different beliefs ?
Everyone are entitled to their own opinion when it comes to secondary doctrines like Christmas, tithe, holy water, baptism, dancing in church, dressing code, etc.
But when it comes to primary or basic doctrines like believing in Christ, eternal life, Faith, resurrection. We all have one opinion
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are These Signs Spoken By Jesus Not Following Believers Today? by paxonel(m): 7:53am On Dec 28, 2023
MindHacker9009:
Mark 16:15,18
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
18 "They will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all
of what use are these signs to believers today, to prove what exactly?
SportsRe: Manchester United Sells 25% Ownership To Jim Ratcliffe by paxonel(m): 7:20am On Dec 25, 2023
It is really not about who owns the club, though a passionate owner like Abramovich will make a difference. But what Manchester united really needs is a good coach who is courageous enough to sack most of those overrated players and start introducing and managing young talents from the scratch
Christianity EtcDo We Need Scritural References In Support Of Christmas Celebration ? by paxonel(op): 5:53am On Dec 24, 2023
To be Frank, we don't need any such references!
All we know is, Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning and mankind started dying. But Jesus Christ died and resurrected and restore eternal life back to us.
Hence, we celebrate him anytime, anyday. And Christmas poses another opportunity to celebrate him worldwide for the life he has given us.

Do we we need historical considerations before celebrating Christmas?
We don't need it.
Do we also ask, why is 25th December chosen for the celebration?
We don't need any such questions because all days were created by him. So if someone decides to choose one day for his celebration, it is never out of place.
So, all we want to do is just celebrate him, because he deserves it.

As far as rcertain religious celebrations such as Christmas are concern especially in this modern era, whatever we decides to do, whatever is our opinion, falls within the discretion of our power and does not require us to obtain any laid down references be it from the bible or any authority.
Meaning, we have the absolute power to actualize our ideas and decisions without interference of the contrary. So long such decisions and ideas does not go beyond the framework of ethical considerations

Merry Christmas !
Christianity EtcRe: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by paxonel(m): 4:57pm On Dec 22, 2023
Science is actually a complete confirmation of the bible in relation to nature
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 12:21pm On Dec 21, 2023
Boomark:
And Gal 5:21 told you it shouldn't be used to correct women?
you are mumu, you nor get sense for your head. Black monkey, that's what you are.

Christianity has been practiced in Europe and other places long before you Africans smell it, and there has never been this level of mumu in the history of humans.

No respect for contextual accuracy.
You are looking for where Gal 5:21 says you should not use the scripture in vain purpose before you know that you shouldn't use itt ?
You are a fool!
What stops you from writing your own book of women councelling and use it to correct your women?
If God swear for you for using his book wrongly you will say he is bad. That's how you people eventually turn into atheism because you don't understand anything.

A book is written specifically for religious purpose and you are using it to practice gender discrimination in the name of correcting women.

You are a fool!
Light and empty head darkness have nothing in common.

tongue tongue
you are a fool!
You can never see light in ignorance i swear.

I will only adive you, go back to school.
You don't have any business preaching.

It is preachers like you have ended teaching Africa to become backward in reasoning over the years.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m):
Boomark:
I like the way you are exposing his ignorance. Imagine the lier saying he wants to rephrase your question before he answers. The guy is walking in darkness and an agent of darkness with the way he is encouraging sin and wickedness.
I am very sure you have a mental issue.

You are just here looking for attention on your own, meanwhile the guy has ignored your mentions and stupidity.

Nonsense gender discriminationist who is desperately looking for bible scriptures to justify his wickedness
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 9:56am On Dec 21, 2023
Boomark:
What do I have to do with an illiterate? You are here to defend fornication, adultery and wickedness of female gender. Hellfire is waiting for you and the women you are deceiving, Gal 5:21. grin grin Oya go and remove it from the bible make I see. tongue tongue
Do you see how foolish you are?
Did Gal 5:21 specify that it was talking to women?

I guess your brain is very empty to understand that every scriptures are written accurately and in precision.

And as such, you are not fit to have an intellectual discussion.
So get lost! grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: There Are Almost No True Christians In Nigeria by paxonel(m): 8:29am On Dec 17, 2023
Serendipity2023:
Christianity, at least in Nigeria has failed abysmally and has been replaced by hypocrisy and pretence.

If Christians means those that live like Christ, then there are almost no Christians in Nigeria.

This is seen in our greed, corruption, avarice, desire to cheat and hurt others etc.

If you do business with a typical Nigerian you will understand this. It's even worse with the pastors.

I once upbraided Ladipo Motor Parts men who closed shop to pray one morning.

This is because I know there are no honest traders amongst them.

They would easily cheat you even if you you were their mother.

They care not. It's all about the money. So why the pretentious prayers?

Prayers without efforts to lead a good life.

Love for humanity transcends over every other law and he that doesn't love doesn't know God.

See Mark 12:31 and 1 Jonh 4:8.

This greatest message of Christ has been deviated from and is no longer being preached.

It's now all about prosperity and material possessions.

Today, the pastors, priests etc are just there for the money.

The early apostles lived communally and cared for one another.

If you aren't rich today, the leaders of the church won't bother about you.
Actually, unlike places like Europe where people are sensible, there are no single truth preaching church in Nigeria currently.
the so called popular big churches of Redeem, Winners chapel, Christ Embassy, Mfm, Deeper life, etc, and even the church i attend are among.

The only truth these churches preach is CHRIST.
Every other thing they preach are misconception of tradition and religion, fictions, falacies, invalid prophecies, dogmatic and inconsistent doctrines that are not biblical, all put together to confuse the people to give them false hope and get their money in return
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 6:44am On Dec 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Your laughing face already shows that you know you are lying and that it is wrong. I can also do that to your question but we know that it would render our posts senseless.

So clearly answer the question or continue dodging it
ok

grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 6:35am On Dec 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
You did not answer my question. Answer mine and then I'll answer yours.
I have answered your question by repharsing it to the right way it should be asked, and give the answer as well.

You asked the question Is your Law of Faith not still a Law?
I rephrased the ambiguous question to, Is having Faith in Christ not still law?
Check it again grin

After checking it, if you still not see it, then check and check and check like the next one hour grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: A Child Born Out Of Wedlock by paxonel(m): 4:52am On Dec 17, 2023
Respect55:
Recently, different opinions have emerged as to whether the church was right to dedicate Linda Ikeji's son or not.

Let's look at it this way. God is holy. The alter inside the church is a sacred place where things are supposed and expected to be done in accordance to God's holy nature else such alter runs the risk of losing its sacredness and power when defiled.

A child Born out of Wedlock is a product of fornication that the church preach against. The baby per say, is innocent but the situation sorrounding its conception is sinful.


Now, is it biblically right or not to dedicate such babies on the sacred alter of God inside a church?
Even if there is any such scripture in the bible that a child born out of weddlock should not be christened in the church, it still do not change the fact that the stupid doctrine is demonic.

How can one deny an innocent child in the name of doctrine?
That is very heartless
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m):
Boomark:
This has shown that you are truly a lier and a deceit with too many empty and contradictory words. You don't even know how to follow simple instruction, how much more bible instructions. Maybe you don't really understand English. Or you are just doing copy and paste, and cannot answer specific questions. Or maybe you knew you have goofed already and want to use too many words to cover up. You can't deceive me incase you don't know.

I am done with you. I don't have time to waste on someone who can't follow simple instruction. Such people cannot learn, they can't teach, and don't really know anything. What I wrote for you last time is simple and straightforward, if you don't understand it bye bye.
mteeeeew! grin grin

Don't quote me again o

Ignorant preacher! who lacks the capacity to reason.
No wonder your post is about degrading the female gender.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 7:26am On Dec 16, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Is your Law of Faith not still a Law? If anyone breaks it do they not break The Law?
specify the statement, don't hide in ambiguity and fallacious generalization it is not smartness.
Is believing in Christ not a law?
It is a law that when is broken it earns the breaker hellfire.

John 3:18 ..but he that believeth not is condemned already

Unlike the other law called law of works which invariably states love your neighbour as yourself.

A better way to differentiate the two laws is
1. The first law(The law of faith) happens in the spiritual rhelm. If you break it, your reward is hell fire which is in the spirit
2. The second law (The law of works) happens in this physical life we are living. If you break it you will face the karma. For instance, thou shall not kill, if you kill you will be killed too, it's as simple as that.

Remember, Moses gave the Israelites these two laws from the beginning
1. Love God with all your heart (spirit law)
2. Love your neighbour as thyself (physical law)

So everything corresponds.
Any attempt to combine these two laws like you want to do tantamount to a fallacy and is not applicable to reality.
And you are still dodging the question Where can you find a case of person being judged wherein he did not break a Law?
I refused to respond to this your question because it does not follow.

We are talking about eternal life here, and you are bringing a case of person being judged because he break physical laws.

For you to have a clear understanding of your original post, because it seems you don't understand your post at all.

You concluded that women will go to hell fire for committing certain sin like adultery.
If you were the husband that had an adulterous wife will you tell her " I will not divorce you because your punishment is you will go to hellfire " ?
Does it make sense like that?

What make sense is, the punishment you will give to her should be physical punishment like divorce, not a spiritual entity like hellfire which has no place in this physical world.

Now you can understand that the spirit and the physical cannot be combined in anyway, otherwise it is a fallacy called non sequitur : meaning, it does not follow

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 8:28pm On Dec 15, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
I have tirelessly countered you yet you do not listen. Where can you find a case of person being judged wherein he did not break a Law?
And you think breaking the law here means committing sin?

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

There is another law called the law of faith different from the law of works that has to do with sin.
The law of faith simply implies having Faith in Christ. It has has nothing to do with sin.

By the way, I thought as much that you were the same moniker boomark.
I had never wanted to respond to you anymore because no matter the truth someone is telling you, you have made up your mind to believe in lies, i don't know what you are gaining from lies.

You simply don't want to hear that Jesus. is enough to save
The isrealites that the law was given to by Moses, you can't keep it more than them.
They are master to it.
But yet, they were rejected by Christ.

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit(referring to the Israelites consisting of the scribes and the Pharisees because they didn't believe he was the christ) he taketh away:..
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m):
Boomark:
Now let me tell you. Everything you have been typing are just useless.
then prove it by explaining yourself why they are useless
Will I say you don't know how to use english words.
like how ?
And moreover, English language isn't what we are discussing, so?
Go back to where you started and we will take it step by step. You write a lot of contradictory things to confuse people and yourself.
In your op, you listed out laws broken by women that because they broke these laws, then they will go to hell.
And i pointed that breaking laws are never criteria for hell,

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law(whether you break law or not)

And that refusal to believe in Christ(having faith in Christ) is the only criterion for hellfire. Which implies, believing in Christ is the only criterion for justification


John 3:18 ...but he that believeth not is condemned already,

Is that too difficult to understand?
where is the contradiction there?
Go and check the meaning of the word only/alone and agree to what you wrote in the picture below that only belief in Christ will take people to the kingdom of God. No too much words, simple answer and I ask another question for clarity. You are going to teach me now.
if this is so, why did you condemn women who broke the laws you mentioned in your op to hell fire in the first place, not stating the right criterion for hell fire which is lack of Faith in Christ ?

And when you were bursted, you keep on quoting 1 Corinthians 6:9 which has nothing to do with Faith in Christ but strictly the works of lawlessness.

Or do you think religion is English class?

The point is, because you don't understand religion does not mean that nobody understands religion.

That's why whatever information you are passing across you must be very accurate in validity. Because you don't know who will counter you at any point in time
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 11:56pm On Dec 11, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
I am annoyed because you are a twiisted liar. Every reasonable person can see that you are lie and insult me which you have been doing since I complained about it and it is not about your vain speech of lake of fire..

You already know that you are qualified and headed there hence your meed for delusions.



Yet you could not counter them but resorted to insults and ltwistings and personal attack. See more Lies.



See fraud. So that's why you have been abusing and lying against me. You are looking for how you can change your argument. grin E no work lake of fire food.
mention the abuse or insult i insulted you, what did i say that constitute insult or attack? grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m):
Dtruthspeaker:
Stop lying. If I have never presented a straightforward argument, you won't be insulting an ad homineming me.
so, you feel insulted when i said you will not make heaven, yet you are quick to say that someone else is destined to lake of fire? grin
You would have attacked my argument but because you lost and I have burst your bubble of self deceit is why you are now lying and attacking my person..

Which is all you are doing and what you are seeking to do.
I don't do rhetorics, I say the fact the way it is.
Your argument through out this thread has been Awful.
You were awfully in support of your dead works order than Jesus Christ. Hence, you don't believe in Jesus Christ but believe in your idol which is your dead works..
Moreover, everyone knows that's what you do here

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

while at the same time you claim to be a believer which you are not. Hence, you are living in self-deceit.
As if that is not enough, YOU WRONGLY DEFINED THE WORD JUSTIFICATION FOR ME ,THAT IT MEANS YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF SIN, TRYING TO DECEIVE ME? grin grin

Now, what i have just done in summary, is presenting to you why you are the deveiver.

Can you present a brief summary about me on this thread like this?
Certainly you can't
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m): 11:32pm On Dec 10, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Why don't you ask me directly what I believe in relation to the topic rather than going round and round lying against me because I attack your self deceit?
do you believe that Christ is the way to your salvation?
I don't think so.

Note that Jesus never said i am one of the way..
He said I AM THE WAY.
Meaning, he is the only one way.

Because anytime anyone mention Jesus as the only way to their salvation you quick to attack such person without presenting a straightforward argument in support to the otherwise.
Your emphamises are usually dead works in addition to your belief in Christ, you can't serve two masters at a time.
It's either you are serving Christ or that your dead works. Meanwhile, a chronic sinner who focus his services to Christ knowing that he needs help will first you into heaven, while you that you put so much hope on your ability to keep the laws and live righteously will be left behind.

I'm very sure that your ability is your idol, because you much worship and adore it. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why Many Women Will Go To Hellfire by paxonel(m):
Boomark:
Obviously those people who believe that believing in Christ alone will guarantee them entry into the kingdom of God are the ones 1 John said are living in darkness.
lies!
quote the scripture out let's see
If it is just belief in Christ, then the sin you are talking about doesn't matter. Why do I need to worry about any sin when my belief has guaranteed me heaven?
no, don't worry about any sin first, let's see what will happen to you.
You think the reason why sensible people stay away from sin is the fear of hell fire?
You know know that whatever you sow, you will reap it on this earth?
Why do I need to obey any other commandment when I have belief only guarantee?
your statement is incomplete.
Guarantee what?

If you disobey any commandment your guarantee is physical destruction, you will see it.
You don't need Christ or the bible to tell you that one
1 John 2:4
If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.
show me one scripture in the new testament that outrightly says if a believer commit sin, he or she is destined to hellfire?

You are not getting the difference.
When Paul and other early Apostles like John wrote to the church or fellow believers not to commit sin, they were simply advice given in good faith.
There is no where in the new testament that Paul or any Apostle for that matter condemned any sinful believer that he is going to hell fire for sinning
If you think you know him or believe in him but have refused to obey his commandments, you are a lier and you are wasting your time. This is another warning. His commandments is that you must walk in the light as he is light. ]/quote] no one is disputing this one.
But all I'm asking is, show me where John said, since he is liar for not keeping the commandments, therefore he has lost his salvation?
[quote]So after the Israelites looked at the Moses serpent and were saved, they later disobeyed God again and again, did the serpent guarantee their salvation or were they punished again and again?
what kind of question is this?
Go and read the story if you have not done so.
Any Israelites who refused to look up to the serpent raised by Moses was biten by other roaming serpants and were killed instantly.

It was look up and be saved from being killed immediately.
Shebi only serpent and nothing else can save them till eternity?
we are talking about physical instant killing, who is talking about eternity?
Jesus used that event of Moses as illustration to show what will happen to those who will not believe in him after he is being crucified

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Should Abraham disobey God's commandments after believing him, he will see the consequences.
ofcourse, there are consequences of disobeying God's commandments.
Love God with all your heart
Love your neighbour as yourself
If one disobey these commandments whether you are believer or not, you will face the music here on this earth.
But for believers, these commandments cannot restrict their entering to heaven

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Moses believed God but disobeyed his commandment at some point, that was why he didn't enter the promised land.
ithe same thing happened to all Israelites who disobeyed God too, not just only Moses.

Promise land wasn't eternal life.
Promise land was physical, eternal life is spirit

And also, I don't think Moses case is different from that of Abraham who believed God and it was counted for him as righteousness necessary for eternal life which is a gift from the spirit, not a physical thing
As you can see what you are teaching is not supported by the scripture.
your analogy didn't follow, don't praise yourself
How can you be talking about believe only and still add forgiveness of sin to it. In other words if you don't ask for forgiveness of sin, your belief is useless. If you don't obey God's commandments your belief in Christ is useless.
you have come back with these lies again?
Have i ever mentioned anything forgiveness of sin to you?
May be you are confusing someone's else comments with mine
Belief in Christ is the first step and after that you must obey his commandments to stop walking in the flesh because those who live in the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God, Gal 5:21.
lies!

The Gal 5:21 did not mention any step, it is your false doctrinal formulation
There are no such steps.

The only one and only step is just believe, that's all.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, THAT YE BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HAS SENT
I cannot say I don't sin but I don't go in adultery and sexual immorality and hope that my belief has covered me.
you are not getting it.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

There is nothing like i don't do adultery and sex.
You that lie peti lie are the same with adultery, witchcraft and fornication in God's eyes.
And invariably, everyone are guity.
Sin is sin, no matter the small or less sin
I don't maltreat an innocent child/maid thinking my belief has covered me. I don't practice wickedness, lying, hatred, and anything I want, thinking my belief has covered me. Those who do these things will not inherit the kingdom of God. I aim to walk in the light as God is light not in darkness.
keep walking.
Unknown to you that you are walking in darkness. 1 John 1-6

I don't think you believe in Christ deep inside you.
You are just professing Christianity for people to see, that's all.
because in your mind, that your walk is what will take you to heaven.

To you, Christ is useless

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