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Christianity EtcRe: The Hate On White Garment Churches by paxonel(m):
Omo, religion deep o.
Just as the mind of humans are deep in ignorance and some are deep in knowledge, that's how the practice of religion is deep grin grin
Even the so called pentecostals who claimed they have knowledge of scriptures are largely Swift away by ignorance
Didijiji:
but the founders could have been inspired by the occurrence in Exodus 3:5 where Moses was instructed to remove his sandals because he is on a holy ground.
Here is the thing!
If you follow the bible carefully you understand the dynamics of time. Holy ground has transcended from that spot of Moses going bare footed and has moved on to being the heart of the saints(believers of Christ)

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

As at the time Jesus was talking to Peter in this verse, he has not yet build his church or he has not yet died and resurrected. He only built his church after he had died and resurrected.(understanding the dynamics of time that what was applicable in the past may not be so anymore in the present).
So, one may ask, why would the founders of white garment churches carry over a practice of Moses into the church seeing that the church has transcend from mere being a holy ground into being a spirit being ?
The instruction came from God to Moses who was a Prophet.
after that, another instruction came from God to Jesus Christ who is a better prophet, better than Moses, that he should build his church
The founders of white garment churches could have also been instructed by the Holy Spirit as prophets,
is there any such record in the new testament that the founders of these white garment churches have seen the disciples of jesus Christ carrying over Moses practices?
If there is no such record in the new testament, certainly it can never be from the holy spirit, but from the spirit of Judaism (the religion practiced by Moses).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning any practice, there is nothing wrong going bare footed and putting on white garments in holy grounds, but the question one may probe is, are all these things still necessary in Christianity?
or inspired by Moses as a Prophet or have interpreted that verse humanly while emulating a bible verse in their own way as most of them were wbibithout modern education,
This is exactly the case!
This is the point and answer to my question i have been asking grin grin

So, you know in science, humans is believed to evolved from monkeys.
monkeys still exist alongside with humans. (The dynamics of time is, something has changed)

So, the question now is, will any reasonable educated person continue to subject himself to that kind of interpretation of scriptures?

By the way, is it convient to always putting on white garments and tying robes like one ancient of days while other people are on their contemporary outfits looking smart and relating well to the outside world properly?
The answer is no!


Is it convient to walk bare foot and expose your foots to pressures and sometimes even infections from the soil?
The answer is no!
What if there is an urgent professional call that requires him to leave the church, he will go there with white garment bare footed?

So, common sense will ask, why doing them when they are not necessary anymore?
same way Rev Kumuyi and Deeper Life condemned the watching of TV by members who saw it then as a sin. Now almost all Deeper Life churches have a TV.
you are getting the picture why i asked the question.
Kumuyi banning television watching wasn't necessary in the first place. Now, the members are becoming wiser. I just hope one day, these white garment people will read their bible and become wiser someday.
What people should be asking is what is demonic about the removal of shoes? Does it mean I glorify a demon when I remove my shoe or what? What is bad about shoe removal at the point of worship? I was at a mountain yesterday and saw a man dressed in suit praying and he removed his shoes. I feel it’s a sign of respect.
The truth is, there is nothing demonic about removal of shoes.
There is nothing demonic about white garments.
There is nothing demonic about putting people's name in ogogoro and cause them to become drunk, don't mind the pastor, it is all fiction grin
There is nothing wrong in doing all these things
But these white garment people need to understand that too and set themselves free from ignorance
Christianity EtcRe: The Hate On White Garment Churches by paxonel(m): 2:08am On Jun 25, 2023
Didijiji:
Ibiyieome hates white garment churches and always uses them to preach to his sheeple members
that one is his own cup of tea.

hates shouldn't be a thing of christianity irrespective of how one feels about a particular sect.
I think there are questions he needed to ask about the things he saw white garment churches doing, before erroneously coming out to say that in white garment churches someone's name can be soaked in a bottle of ogogoro making the person to become drunk.

But the question is, even if the pastor had taken steps to ask questions about what he feels, will anyone in white garment church deem it fit to clarify their ritual activities to him?
I think no one is ready to do that.

Note also, I have asked a question in this thread, why are white garment churches go bare foots on streets and no one including the op has deem it fit to explain the significance of that or is it because they don't know what to say?

The same thing applies,, the pastor or anyone else for that matter may continue saying all sort of hateful things about white garment churches because someone is not reasonably explaining to them what white garment churches are doing
Christianity EtcRe: The Hate On White Garment Churches by paxonel(m):
Ok
Christianity EtcRe: The Hate On White Garment Churches by paxonel(m): 7:30pm On Jun 24, 2023
Tayorshd87:
When u have hatred for something the. U Wil always find something to attach to it for others to hate it too
like what?

Explain yourself?
Christianity EtcRe: If You Get Bad Luck From Fornication, Does It Go Away When You Quit Fornicating? by paxonel(m): 4:59am On Jun 23, 2023
civboy:
So, if you ever got bad luck from fornication or know someone who did, how did it pan out when you (or they) stopped? Did life go back to normal over time? Did good luck return after a while?
there is nothing like bad luck from fornication,which kind primitive diabolical thinking you Africans dey carry for head like this, omo, na white garment church you dey go?

Look, the only misfortune or punishment from God fornication fit cause you na STDs or unwanted pregnancy and when you never well prepared to father a child, thinking and depression go set in, then you go come commit suicide God forbid!

Otherwise, nothing more !

Bad luck ke
SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m): 9:42am On Jun 22, 2023
Villageboy1010:
You get wahala grin grin grin...You don't want to the accept the fact that havertz would be an arsenal player grin
of all the attackers arsenal have in their possession na person like kai harvetz arsenal go dey pursue?
That's nonsense now?
e nor make common sense.

Arsenal need just a defender who will stand as substitute for Salibaba, not any kai minini were go dey chop bench through out the season.

All these Chelsea fans una prayer no go work o.
una won carry una flop give us abi?

SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m):
Nigeriagood:
bro yes,the world relies on Fabrizio romano
like this?

How are you sure this will not repeat itself?
And you know, of recent no one has predicted arsenal's transfers. The only thing is we can hear of rumors until it is done deal

SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m):
Villageboy1010:
It's true Fabrizio and orstein have tweeted it...Havertz would be an arsenal player
ok cheesy cheesy

SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m): 2:45am On Jun 22, 2023
Mohisah:
Posting on Official web is the last thing. We're in advanced century, go follow Fabrizio Romano... He's a top notch analyst who gives direct as it is... The world 🌍 relies on his info ever he argued with Brighton over Cucurella transfer of which Brighton denied, but he stood grand beating his chest that Cucurella is a done deal
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/news-here-go-following-reports-numerous-media-outlets-chelsea-fabrizio-romano-appear-take-jibe-brighton-agreeing-deal-sign-cucurella
The world rely on his info? cheesy

The world rely on a deal that is not yet certained?

Good one grin grin grin
SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m): 12:34am On Jun 22, 2023
Judolisco:
dem Don buy am dis evening
lies!

Make una dey read authentic sport news from sky sports, super sports, bbc or even livescores. Or better still, check the clubs website. If there was anything like say arsenal buy kai it would have been posted on arsenal official website now.

Which kind fake news be that?
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Neighbour Took His Name To A Herbalist! Arrow Went Back To Sender ( Pics) by paxonel(m): 7:41pm On Jun 21, 2023

SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m): 7:30pm On Jun 21, 2023
Judolisco:
we'll have to wait and see... My own is arsenal has done Chelsea a huge favour
arsenal cannot even buy that flop, It's fake news.

I wonder how iit got to front page.

mynd44 wetin una dey do sef?
SportsRe: Kai Havertz: Arsenal Agree £65m Deal With Chelsea For German Forward by paxonel(m): 7:20pm On Jun 21, 2023
post=123946168:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65972567
lies

You are always lying

Christianity EtcRe: Idolatry Is On The increase Among Christians by paxonel(m): 11:23am On Jun 21, 2023
Snakedoctor1:
By engaging in the worship of other gods directly or indirectly.
well, what you should know is, when it comes to worship, you can't judge whether people worship other gods by merely see them engaging with other gods. Worship only comes from the heart.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth(not with what you do)confession is made unto salvation.

What this means is that, salvation is not by what we do,but by our faith. And if you see a Christian who consistently goes to church having one traditional juju shrine in his backyard, his heart or his faith may be fully with God though he may have the shrine there at his backyard and ignorantly thinking that the shrine is protecting him.
Such person's worship is still accepted by God so long he has faith in Christ for his eternal life.
In that case, you can't judge him
Christianity EtcRe: The Hate On White Garment Churches by paxonel(m): 2:11am On Jun 21, 2023
My question about white garments is, what are the significance of the white garments and walking bare foot on streets?

And, is it really true that white garment churches put people's names in a bottle of ogogoro and cause them to behave drunk according to what that pastor said?
PoliticsRe: Alaba Intnl Market: Campaign Ground, IPOB Hideout, Dilapidated Buildings by paxonel(m): 6:50am On Jun 19, 2023
MTNnews:
I know you are hurt because the truth is being told. Many of you sensless igbos think ipob activities are hidden in Lagos but I do not blame you I blame the state governor who chose to ignore glaring security flaws n breaches.

Every Friday after around 6 ipob gather n meet opening in Ladipo market, I know this for a fact, even the boy I buy headlights from in Ladipo is an ipob member .

The state governor need to have security operative in all markets,their recruitment is wack so security officer can easily infiltrate them n tound the bastards up properly after gathering enough intelligence on all the sleeper n feeders cell across the market.

Ipob does not have any effective coordination outside those markets in Lagos.
you are useless fool!

get the police arrest these people and create headlines on the story posting pictures and videos of the arrest as evidence, you cannot.

Are you not a serial failure like that?
PoliticsRe: Alaba Intnl Market: Campaign Ground, IPOB Hideout, Dilapidated Buildings by paxonel(m): 6:33am On Jun 19, 2023
Creativity22:
Because he is a bitter, disgruntled fool, who has never and will never achieve anything in his miserable life. Am praying the lagos apc continue with the demolition, so the igbos and other tribes can relocate and leave lagos for them.
no one is contemplating demolition of igbos shop at Alaba, it is all fake story by enemies of Nigeria to cause more tension and dishamony between Igbos and Yorubas, they have absolutely nothing to gain from it
Christianity EtcRe: Does Your Church Bring Comedian To Pollute God's Altar? by paxonel(m): 6:25am On Jun 19, 2023
Onyiiobi7735:
Lol!!! Hahahaha, you are the one making noise,or rather barking like a dog .
Listen to yourself,Mr, and examine your pathetic reasoning.
Was David a comedian? He was a man ordained by God to be king, and he was after God's Heart.
How does comedians performing in church and David eating bread that has already been used for worship and had left over,relate?
Mr IKT you must be the most dumb human on earth.
God takes the sanctity of a church serious.His Holy Spirit leaves any church that has been compromised by certain worldly activities.
Oga, learn to reason propebutrly before you quote someone.
but you know that it was unlawful for David to take bread from the altar just like you think that it is unlawful for comedians to perform on the altar of the holy spirit?
PoliticsRe: Alaba Intnl Market: Campaign Ground, IPOB Hideout, Dilapidated Buildings by paxonel(m):
Typing:
That's what he is doing now. IPOB in Lagos will be forced to relocate to the East.
ok, whatever is the outcome, he should also post the news headline here o, that IPOB was found in Alaba.

That big fool?
PoliticsRe: Alaba Intnl Market: Campaign Ground, IPOB Hideout, Dilapidated Buildings by paxonel(m): 10:06pm On Jun 18, 2023
So, what stops you from blowing whistle to security agents at Alaba, why coming here to display your hatred?
Christianity EtcRe: Does Your Church Bring Comedian To Pollute God's Altar? by paxonel(m): 5:35pm On Jun 18, 2023
ebubeson:
To bring comedian inside church dey sweet you?
comedians aren't drunkards and prostitutes now, are they?

If a pastor feels that comedy will entertain church members while a programme is on going, I don't see anything bad about entertainment, so long everything is done moderately
Christianity EtcRe: Does Your Church Bring Comedian To Pollute God's Altar? by paxonel(m): 1:27pm On Jun 18, 2023
Onyiiobi7735:
Bundle of trash.So the alter of the Holy Spirit is now a place where comedians would come and display.The church is for worshipping God, not for theater arts.
No genuine man of God led by the Holy Spirit will invite a comedian to his church.
did you not hear that David took bread in the altar that was meant for the altar and eat it and nothing happened?

What is there in this altar that to you are shouting over?

My guy, go and learn what the altar of the holy spirit is, stop making noise
Christianity EtcRe: Does Your Church Bring Comedian To Pollute God's Altar? by paxonel(m): 9:25am On Jun 18, 2023
ebubeson:
Please is your pastor still in the act of bringing comedians to Pollute God's Altar? Let him stop and repent.
firstly, there has never been anything like polute God's altar. Those that brought comedians to their altar in the past still have their altars working so what's your own?
Christianity EtcRe: Idolatry Is On The increase Among Christians by paxonel(m): 10:53am On Jun 17, 2023
Snakedoctor1:
Idol worship, other than the only true God represented in the trinity.


1 Corinthians 10:7
1 Corinthians 10:14
1 John 5:21
Colossians 3:5
Isaiah 45:20
Jonah 2:8
Judges 10:14
Leviticus 19:4
Psalms 16:4
4Galatians 4:8
Revelation 9:20
Galatians 5:19-21
Psalms 135:15-18
Exodus 20:3-6
Isaiah 44:9-20
and you think that anyone who goes to church consistently do engage into idolatry?

!how?
Christianity EtcRe: Idolatry Is On The increase Among Christians by paxonel(m): 9:48am On Jun 17, 2023
what is idolatry?
PoliticsRe: INEC Chairman Truly Did Announce That Results Will Not Be Transmitted Real Time by paxonel(op): 8:58am On Jun 17, 2023
IamV:
Like, he's complicating simple issue here.

I intentionally asked him drop the link to his claim,not because I haven't read it,just wanted to set something straight.

Going through the content of that news, here's an excerpt from INEC chairman's speech ;

After the process is completed at the polling unit, the image of the polling unit result will be taken by the BVAS and uploaded into what we call the INEC Result Viewing Portal where citizens can see polling unit level results as the processes are completed at polling unit level."

Basically, he's saying form EC8A will be taken by BVAS & UPLOADED into IREV,not just the raw figures of the form EC8A from the polling unit.
Raw figures of results in this sense means the score each party gets from a particular polling unit.
For instance ,in a polling unit, here's the score of each party.

LP= 30 Votes
PDP= 53 votes
APC = 79 votes

INEC chairman is saying that they will not transmit only the figures each party got in a particular polling unit,but will capture the result sheet [ form EC8A] using BVAS and upload the results to IREV where ANXIOUS Nigerians can monitor the results during election.

I still don't understand why some are claiming & interpreting that results won't be taken by BVAS and uploaded into the IREV from the polling unit. Or that results won't be transmitted in real time.

Here's another excerpt from the News link ;

"He said Presiding Officers has the mandate to use the Bimodal Voters Accreditation (BVAS) machine to snap
election results documented on the results sheet from each polling unit and upload the photo of the result on the INEC Result Viewing Portal (IRev) for ANXIOUS NIGERIANS TO OBSERVE.
"


After reading that excerpt,how is someone claiming that INEC chairman said results [ form EC8A] will no longer be taken by BVAS and uploaded into IREV and will also no longer be transmitted in real time ?

This is pretty straightforward.
you have well explain this. Thanks!

But going by the question INEC council, Awonikoko asked Ijeoma Osamor during her cross-examination at the tribunal that the INEC chairman said results will no longer be uploaded in real time . Is it that the INEC council was referring to raw figures or he was referring to scanned ECBA ?

Because from the lawyer's statement, the results will no longer be uploaded

PoliticsRe: INEC Chairman Truly Did Announce That Results Will Not Be Transmitted Real Time by paxonel(op): 8:31am On Jun 17, 2023
meolaniyi:
you deliberately decided to confuse yourself. INEC was specific. They are referring to raw data. INEC said they will not transmit raw data because it's easy to manipulate. The scanned copy is what is supposed to be transmitted realtime
OK, I get it now.

Thanks
PoliticsRe: INEC Chairman Truly Did Announce That Results Will Not Be Transmitted Real Time by paxonel(op): 8:12am On Jun 17, 2023
PoliticsRe: INEC Chairman Truly Did Announce That Results Will Not Be Transmitted Real Time by paxonel(op): 7:57am On Jun 17, 2023
Penguin2:
First, results upload is a statutory requirement of the Electoral Act 2022. What this means is that INEC cannot choose not to upload.

Now, the only thing INEC defenders always hinge on to defend INEC’s failure to upload results is that a section of the Electoral Act empowers INEC to determine how it would conduct elections.

But the question is, does INEC have powers to denigrate a statutory provision of the law in exercising whatsoever powers they feel the law gives them?

With that said, it is imperative to state that what Mahmoud Yakubu said in the publication you are referring to is that INEC will not upload raw figures but “snap” form EC8A with BVAS machine and upload from polling units. He never said they were no longer going to upload results in “real time”.
snap of ECBA results to upload using BVAS is more authentic than mere uploading figures
PoliticsRe: INEC Chairman Truly Did Announce That Results Will Not Be Transmitted Real Time by paxonel(op): 6:53am On Jun 17, 2023
Acekidc4:
That's Good Politics for you.............. Emotions can not win you Election.
but fraud can win?
PoliticsINEC Chairman Truly Did Announce That Results Will Not Be Transmitted Real Time by paxonel(op):
It seems INEC chairman is deliberately trying to confuse Nigerians in order to delay justice at the tribunal and the court of public opinion, but here is the thing.

According to Daily tribune publication on 23rd February 2023 made reference by the INEC council, Ijeoma may not aware that Yakubu did announce that the commission will no longer transmit results from polling units in real time on the IReV, but he specifically said that the polling units have the mandate to use the BVAS to upload the results on INEC portal.

real time transmission of results on the IRev is one thing
Uploading results on INEC portal is another thing.

The idea was that, real time transmission during the collation of results at the national conference centre Abuja should be solely dependent on uploading results on the INEC portal,so that even if the INEC chairman is collecting paper or printed forms from state levels to announce the winner, the figures will have to tally or correspond with what was being uploaded or transmitted and there wouldn't have been any argument at all.

The least INEC would have done was to upload the results on it portal through the BVAS if they could not transmit, so that Nigerians will atleast view the results using their android phones and compare them with what was being announced.

But INEC did not upload, neither did they transmit on that collation day. Rather, they resolved to some cooked fraudulent paper sheets brought from state levels


https://tribuneonlineng.com/we-wont-transmit-raw-figures-of-election-results-inec-chairman
PoliticsRe: Proof That INEC Said They Won't Transmit Results by paxonel(m): 6:07am On Jun 17, 2023
BATified23:
Many news outlets have the news and made it public on February 23rd, 2023 when INEC Chairman Mahmood Yakub stated that they will not be transmitting results. Check the news sources below to read the details yourself

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/02/polls-why-inec-wont-transmit-raw-election-figures-yakubu/

https://tribuneonlineng.com/we-wont-transmit-raw-figures-of-election-results-inec-chairman/

https://thenationonlineng.net/how-elections-will-be-transmitted-by-inec/

Images:
1. Excerpt from Tribune
2. Frontpage of Tribune on 23rd of February, 2023
3. Screenshot from Vanguard Link posted above
INEC is trying to confuse Nigerians but here is the thing.

On 23rd February Yakubu did announced that the commission will no longer transmit the result in real time on the IReV, but he specifically said that the polling units have the mandate to use the BVAS to upload the results on INEC portal.

real time transmission of results on the IRev is one thing
Uploading results on INEC portal is another .

The idea is that real time transmission during the collation of results at the national conference centre Abuju should be solely dependent on uploading results on the INEC portal,so that even if the INEC chairman is collecting paper or printed forms from state levels to announce the winner, the figures will have to correspond with what was being uploaded or transmitted and there wouldn't have been any argument at all.

The least INEC would have done was to upload the results on it portal through the BVAS if they could not transmit, so that Nigerians will atleast view the results using their android phones and compare them with what was being announced.

But INEC did not not upload, neither did they transmit on that collation day. Rather, they resolved to some cooked fraudulent paper sheets brought from state levels

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