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Kepukepu:
Religion is based upon dogma - therefore one is encouraged to have faith in the unexaminable.

“Faith”, by definition, is the acceptance of a concept in the face of conflicting evidence or no evidence at all.”

Does that sound like “critical thinking” to you?

no!
Not all religion are based on dogma.
Christianity isn't based on dogma.

And by the way, who defined Faith this wsy for you?

Boomark:
What if I stand in the street with megaphone and shout that that those who lie, practice adultery, commit murder will be thrown into hell fire as seen in Revelation 21:8,

you didn't see that in Revelation 21:8.
You failed to start from verse 7 that says he that overcometh all things...
And also, take note of verse 7 that says THE FESRFUL AND THE UNBELIEVING.
This means, those that overcome all things refers to BELIEVERS.
Because with God, they can never be abominable or woremongers or soccerers.
They were washed and cleansed by the blood of the Lamb

will anyone say I came to their house? Will they say I am judging them when I was making reference to what is written in the scripture? As far as I know, nairaland is not anybody's house.

the essence of you preaching should be converting unbelievers(example Muslims, not Christians) to become believers of Christ.
Any exercise you do outside this is waste of time.

Galatians 1:1-2
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me,

To the churches in Galatia:

This was what Paul wrote to the Christians in Galatia. I hope you will not say Christ was still on earth? See what he told them here.

I didn't see where Paul said he preached openly to everyone..
Anytime Paul preached, he targeted unbelievers to win them for Christ.
He only addresses fellow Christians most times in letters like the one you just mentioned, encouraging them to remain in the faith and stay away from sin or repent, but never did he preached the same sermon of salvation he preached to unbelievers with them.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

he is simply saying those who do not accept Christ are in the flesh, compared to those who accept Christ that they are in the spirit.
And the fruits of the spirit are love, joy peace, long-suffering, goodness, etc
And as such, since they are in the spirit, these works of the flesh does not manifest in them in the spirit.
Though in the flesh, they might still be making mistakes, because truly, no one is perfect .
But in the sporit they are justified with Christ.

You know what it means to be justified?
It's like you were guilty of sin, but the judge declared you innocent for free.
You didn't deserve it.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Then he gave me advice in verse 25

Galatoans 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

It was an advice to Christians.
It wasn't a judgement
It wasn't as if he they had chosen to do otherwise, they will lose their salvation.
It was a clear case that karma will also befall them like the unbelievers if they don't repent too.

C'est fini!

You can start reading from verse 13. He told Christians not pagan that those who do these things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

And he concluded by saying.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Meaning, Christians have crucified all the woremonging, adultery, fornication, lying etc that they do in their flesh, and are presented before God in spirit as justified people.

How many people have gone to warn him for trying to judge them?

Paul never judged people the way you are judging people into hell now.
Even when he preached to unbelievers(,when i say unbelievers, you should know what i mean by now) he never condemned them to hell like you are doing.

Your hypocrisy is, have you ever approached a Muslim and tell him you will go to hell fire?
Never!

BUT WHEN YOU SEE A FELLOW CHRISTIAN YOU WILL START SHOUTING, HELL FIRE, HELL FIRE!

He didn't tell them that the reward for these things are on earth and later they will inherit the kingdom of God. This is just one out of many.

are you doubting that God's kingdom is on this earth?

You know, some of my teacher friends will say my reward is in heaven, i will just laugh at their mumu.

My brother your belief is an error.

no!
It is your own that is not scriptural.
It is not even realistic.
It is not applicable to reality.

By extension, you make yourself a reproach, and people will simply repel you.
At that point you will think that the whole world is bad.
Meanwhile, you are the one making yourself to be like that .

In the Islamic world, you also have people misunderstanding their Quran, and they will behave unreasonably like that.
They are usually called terrorists or fundermentalists.

PLEASE DON'T BE A CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST

I have shown you what Christ said to the churches in Revelation. Those churches are Christian churches and made it clear to them that they will be rejected if they reject his commandments.

did you even read my response towards that at all?

These churches had left their Faith(revelation used FIRST LOVE).
They had stoped believing in Christ and were already into idolatry, that's why Paul rebuked them.

A situation where a whole church today will leave Christ and be doing Islam inside church isn't possible today.

Ah!
The building is church.
But when you go inside, it is Mohammed they are preaching.
Have you ever seen anything like that before?

You can't read the difference?
That was the similar situation John in Revelation, and Paul saw at Ephesus and other churches that made them to be mad

Kepukepu:
Whether or not you are religious or not, we can all agree that in religion, logic does not really work but belief. You cannot apply critical thinking to explaining religious tenets, else you will start questioning most of them.

This is why religion will almost always attract least thinkers among us. Religion does not like critical thinking, if you apply critical thinking you cannot believe and religion is base on beliefs.

This is not to say that beliefs do not have some personal benefits. Thank you

are the religious tenets afraid of being questioned?

Because, me i believe.
And critical thinking and logic have helped convinced me to believe.

Boomark:
There is no where the bible said that believers should avoid sin just because their stay on earth alone. This is a wrong belief. If everything is about belief in Christ, then the apostle have no business teaching about good conducts. So every believer can go on and live in sin because heaven must be achieved in the end?

Being a believer alone does not make you a Christian. Christian means being like Christ. Christ did not live a life of sin, so those living in sin and calling themselves Christian are deceiving themselves. Christ knows his people.

In Matthew 7:21-23 you said those who believed in the name of Jesus Christ, did many signs and wonders in his name are not Christians. You contradict yourself. Christ said something that will happen on the last day for anyone who failed but you have are the one that determines it is not for Christian. So those who do the will of God in Vs 23 are also not Christians?

I quoted Matthew 25:41-45, where helping the needy was used as a criteria for making it to the kingdom of God but you said helping the needy cannot take anyone to heaven. Can you boldly tell Christ that h-e made a mistake in his judgment? My brother your belief is an error.

what I'm explaining to you requires your intellect to understand.

You see this Christianity we are practicing today in Africa?
Europe that imported the religion to Africa don't do what we Africans are doing here.
They practice the same Christianity intelligently, that's why their lives are note better than Africans today..

Two major answers to your questions you should go and think over is :
1. At the time of Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus was not yet crucified. Hence there were no Christians then.
So i don't know where you get the idea that Matthew 7;21-23 was referring to Christians.
2. You don't need the bible to tell you that anyone who commit sin, Christian or no Christian, will face the consequences of their actions here on earth.
A scripture quoted God saying i will visit the sins of the fathers to the third and forth generation.
It is in this world that all these things can happen.
And Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world.

I don't think you go about tagging everyone who commit sin as candidates of hell.
I mean, if you identify a Christian who is a chronic sinner and you go to his house and start shouting, you will go to hell fire. He has the right to throw you out of his house and there is nothing you can do about it.
So, anything that has to do with heaven or hell, you are not the one to judge.
You can only leave the judgement for God to do because you didn't create one soul, or do you?

what you are complaining isn't what is obtain able in developed societies.
What has happened in Africa over the years is that, our schools that was suppose to educate the population have failed us.
Consequently, The church, The mosque, The national constitution, The Judiary, The traditions, cultures and family have all failed.

We are now a nation living in the shadow of reality .

It will take a very sensitive political leader who understands the power of education, and who is willing to restructure the education sector for better, to turn things around.

damilola4162:
I get you sir, I a lane man term a Christian is someone who believe in the resurrection of Jesus. By believing his resurrection you acknowledge that he is the Christ.

then everyone in all churches have done this, irrespective of their ignorance or knowledge or sin level or righteousness

damilola4162:
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I was born into a Christian home and usually go to church meetings but was never a (Christian) saved

the question one will ask is, who is then a Christian?

Because, many of us not knowing who a Christian should be, is causing confusion in Christianity

until I was in my early 20s. Many people are like me up till now.

Many people go to church in Nigeria just to table their problems before God alone, the gospel is really being preached in most churches. The reason some people go to church is to do money doubler– they pay tithes so that God can (return) bless them in multiple folds this is the reason some are faithful to paying tithe.

actually,these are secondary reasons why people go to church.

In church, you can never see for example devoted Muslims there.
Everyone you see in church were either born into Christian homes and were brought up by Christian parents to be Christians and churchgoers, or they were preached to, and were converted from their previous religion, example Islam, into Christianity.
This is the primary reason that you see people in churches.

With this fact in mind, the question is, who is a Christian?

damilola4162:
A Christian is not someone who attends church meetings or someone born in a Christian home. A Christian is someone who has believed(convinced) in the resurrection of Christ Jesus from the dead. This person is saved from eternal condemnation.

But everyone born in a Christian home by virture of the fact that they were brought up by their Christian parents to believe, and everyone attending church meetings have believed in the resurrection of Christ Jesus that's why they are there.
otherwise they will be in mosques being Muslims and not believing in Christ.
Or they will be atheists not going to church at all.
Or they will be traditionalists being in shrines and not church.

Have you ever consider that Faith is what justifies to eternal life. and your faith is your religion?

steveodo:
Tell us your conversion story, how did you become born again ?
-Was it personal decision?.
-you were evangelized?
- was it because of a miracle you experienced?

it is a scam to the highest order.
Rather you should be asking, how were you converted from your previous religion or Faith into the Christian Faith which is required for your salvation?

a scripture says without Faith(not without being born again) it is impossible to please God

GanagiBeetrus:
According to the Bible, this is the sin that can never be forgiven - Blaspheming or Speaking against the Holy Ghost.

Unfortunately, many Christians have committed this sin and therefore on their way to Hell Fire.

Bible Scholars in the House,
What exactly does it mean to Blaspheme or Speak Against the Holy Ghost?
At least to serve as warning or guide for others who may knowingly or unknowingly commit this grievous sin without forgiveness.

in the context of that scripture, to blaspheme means to reject the holy spirit.
You can't talk bad about the holy spirit unless you are not a believer of the holy spirit.
And who was the holy spirit that was talked bad against?
He was Jesus Christ himself.

So, in the nutshell, blaspheming against the holy spirit which implies talking bad against Jesus Christ is simply rejecting to believe in Christ for your salvation.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It is not possible for a Christian to blaspheme against the holy spirit seeing that he is a believer.

Therefore, there is no sin that cannot be forgiven except the sin of unbelief.
Only an unbeliever will blasheme against Christ.

Boomark:
My brother do not be deceived. You must believe in him(this is just the first step), avoid sin, and do the will of God. I will post

I certainly agree that believers should avoid sin. But let's fact check these scriptures you quoted, you will see that the bible cannot contradict itself.
Meaning, believers ought to keep the law or avoid sin for their sakes here on earth.
Not for them going to heaven.

There is no scripture in the bible that outrightly shows that a Christian who commit sin will go to hell.

scriptures where people who believed were rejected.

1 John 3:4
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
[quote]and another scripture says

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

You see now that what you have said contradicts this scripture.

Also, remember that the theif who was a sinner was pardoned by Christ on the cross at the point of his death.
His sins did not count for him because he believed at the point of his death.
This also corresponds to the scripture that says Abraham believed and it was counted for him as righteousness.
[quote]Matthew 7:21-23.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

fact check this scripture please.

Was Jesus talking to Christians?
The answer is no!

We are talking about Christians, not disciples who believed before the on-set of Christianity.

So you see, bible can never contradicts itself

Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

the same thing here.
The many disciples Jesus was talking about here were never Christians.
Remember, they were up to 5000 disciples the bible described as multitudes that eat five loaves of bread and two fishes?
Quite many

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

fact check again!
How many of these 5000 disciples stood for Christ at the point when he was about to be crucified?
They all ran away now. They already started going away before then.

John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

So, they were never Christians.

Even Peter had denied Christ 3 times. if not for God, he wouldn't have been Christian

Your salvation is about you being Christian, not you being righteous by your works or stop practicing sin.
Yes, it's good to stop practicing sin, but that isn't a criterion

Those who practice sin will be rejected. Your belief
alone doesn't matter. These people believed in him and did so many wonders in his name even for the growth of the church but they were rejected because they practice sin thinking that grace/belief has covered them.

but the bible didn't specify that any of them practice sin. Is there anything like that?

Matthew 25:41-45
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

he was talking to the multitudes in this is scripture.
Non of the multitudes were Christians

This is for the those who refused to do the will of God by helping the needy around them. Some people think their tithe will take them to heaven, they are deceiving themselves. Those who had the opportunity to ask him questions are those who are surprised their belief in him was not a guarantee.

helping the needy will never take anyone to heaven.
Tithe will never take anyone either.

Only believing in Christ will do.

Jesus says I'm the way.
Meaning, Christianity is the way, not Islam.
So we are justified by our faith, not by our works of the law.
That means helping the needy can never be the way.
Tithe can never be the way.
Keeping the law can never be the way

Revelation 2:3-5
3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

Read about the letters to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 to see that to see that a believer who has turned to sinning will be rejected.

If you write about only men, I will not come and start pointing at the sins of children to justify men's wrong doings. Men, women, children should take whatever is written for them. They should focus on the log in their eyes.

it was very possible that the churches mentioned here in revelation, had abandoned their faith in Christ and began into idolatry that's why they were cautioned.
Not that they were sinful or something.

tctrills:
Are both important? Yes
Are both equally important? No
Many human beings have lived without understanding science but no one would have eternal life without Jesus Christ.
Not every knowledge is of equal importance.
There is no knowledge more important than the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus.
The Knowledge Peter the fisherman had is of greater worth than the knowledge of Albert Einstein.

Ok, I agree with you on this and I'm getting it now because it is important to shift grounds when I see something new to learn..
What you are saying is, on the basis of, if the individual is not saved then he needs salvation first which is most important than anything else ?

But all i have been saying is, when the individual already has the knowledge of Christ and is saved which is most important, then acquiring the knowledge of how his environment works is also important .

To this effect, i totally agree with you that the revelations given to modern pastors are most important than the revelations of science. But only on the backdrop that the revelations are only of Jesus Christ and his salvation.

tctrills:
Oga science and the gospel of Jesus Christ are not of equal importance.
Now what would happen to me if I have no understanding of science but I believe in Jesus Christ?

believing in Jesus has nothing to do with understanding your world.
If you were to be employed as a caterer and you don't know how to cook rice when it is needed, there is nothing Jesus can do for you in that aspect except you learn the science of cooking rice which is important for the job.

Answer; I would be saved in the kingdom of God.

you being saved in the kingdom only require Jesus.
That has nothing to with whether you understand science or not.

So you see, both are important for you equally.
Jesus is important where it is needed, which is your salvation. And science is important where it is needed, which is this world.
You can't do away with any of them.

It is important to understand that science encompasses everything you do to be alive

tctrills:
It's ok to criticize pastors and maybe you are right but still it doesn't mean that the word of God revealed in our day is any inferior to the word revealed through Paul or Peter.
David committed sins that most of us would never dream of commiting yet does that in anyway dilute the revelations in the book of Psalms?
Trust me, if you were living in the time of Peter and Paul, you probably would have found reason to criticize them.

ofcourse!
Constructive criticism is usually a welcomed development.
It brings a better way of doing things only if those in charge are humble enough to take the correction that comes with the criticism whether it was Paul era or now.

Now , if you look at the parable of Jesus i pointed out, the field in the parable represent the world. You will notice that the field which is the world wasn't destroyed. Hence, this world is the Lord's and it fulness thereof.

The point is, every revelation,be it science based or of religion, are geared towards making this world a better place therefore they are equally important.

But it seems our pastors thinks that religious revelations are more superior, which is not so.

tctrills:
So as children of God, we are saved to inherite the promises of Christ not merely to live forever.
We are co-heirs with Christ.

Exactly!

So again I know you are wrong when you said science based revelations are of equal importance as the revelations of the spirit. Remember your Bible talks about the difference between the canal mind and the spiritual mind.

that who are the canally minded and who are the spiritually minded?
You see, our pastors have failed to distinguish between them and that's the problem.
I'm not saying they are not trying, I'm only say that let their education be more accurate and precise. This will help curb the many confusions in Christianity.
You have agreed that we are saved to inherit the promises of Christ, not just only eternal life.
So, you see that the promises of Christ are equally important as eternal life. Because, of what essence is life when you don't enjoy the things thereof or do we live to agony?
God forbid!
We live to replenish this world.
As we go about the task professionally, we also enjoy the fruit of our labour.

The reward of the greatest scientist is nothing compared to that of the ignorant illiterate who keeps the commandments of God.
Finally, please explain what Paul preached that no present day pastor is preaching.
Remember, you don't expect 2 different servants of God to have exactly the same message.

due to variation, sure!

But that not withstanding, the message of the gospel is one, so variation isn't an excuse not to be accurate with it.
And it summerizes in this parable of Jesus Christ

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Matthew13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mathhew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So, what do you take of this parable?
Because, i know that after carefully applying what Jesus meant, i now know that what our pastors are doing especially in Africa, are simply child's play, shared ignorance and exploitive at the expense of the poor.
So, even when the government is doing the same, the church cannot summon the moral courage fight against the impunity as the light of the world.
In Europe, this problem has been solved largely.
I took time to study how religion is practiced in Europe and some other parts of the world and soon discover that Africans just like suffering for nothing out of ignorance.

tctrills:
You said so much but let me summarize what I understood.
1. God's revelations today don't have a lesser value than those in the bible.

very correct

2. We are not in a 3rd covenant.

very correct

Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.
please correct me if i am wrong

no!
revelations are not restricted to new covenant or religion.
Revelation can be in science, technology, accounting, commerce and every spheres of knowledge.

I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.
Our salvation is far more importance that our science achievement

what are we saved for?
Is it not for us to live forever according to how God created Adam and Eve from the on-set, to replenish the earth as instructed by God when he created mankind from the beginning? Genesis 1:28

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.

but we are not loosing our soul.
We have been bought through Christ.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Oh, you don't know that we have been translated already?

That is the structure of religion I am talking about that Paul preached that our current day pastors have failed to preach

But then we are mostly on the same page.

I can see that you are already equipped scripturally to understand

tctrills:
I used him as an example. But to understand you better, are you saying that God no longer reveals Himself to his servants?

Every Christians are equally servants of God

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, God can reveal himself to any Christian, not just only pastors .
As a matter of fact, revelations of God is not restricted to Christians alone or the religion circle alone to reveal.
God encompasses everything we can perceive with our five senses.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein.

There are so many unbelievers, atheists, Muslims and even idolaterers fornicators, drunkards, whom God had used in time past, without them knowing that it was God that gave them the ability to reveal great discoveries in science, technology, medicine, art, graphics, economics, accounting, entertainment etc

Now if he does, are his present day revelations in anyway inferior to those in the bible?

No!

whatever category of revelation be it in religion, science, art, entertainment, commerce, etc, they are all equally important.
No one is superior or inferior to the other.

The same was applied to bible days.
During the medieval era when most of the biblical events occurred, we have heard of people like Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Alexander the Great and a lot of great characters of the Greek mythology.
They did not stop the revelation of John about Jesus Christ we have read in the bible.

The difference is that, our modern day revelations and discoveries are much more better due to advancement in education, science and technology. Only that religion has become backward due to dogmatism.

I hope these are clear enough questions for you now.

Maybe you should address them in this order

1. Does God still speak to his servants in present day?

God speaks to everyone in their own little way.
If a pastor, educator or even parents is privileged to guide another person then it should be done through knowledge and understanding.
Gone are the days God will reveal things to people in vision and in dreams like we saw in the book of revelation. You have to acquire knowledge which is the greatest power.

2. Are his words to them inferior to those given to his servants in the bible?

I can tell that most pastors today are knowledgeable people. Examples are pastor Adeboye, pastor David Oyedepo, pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Bishop Wale Ajayi etc.

I don't think that there is any servant of God in the bible that has ever attend the kind of vast knowledge and understanding possessed by these modern day pastors and ordinary Christians like me and you living today.
Only that, servants of God in bible like Paul, Peter, James and John understood the structure of religion and work with it.
And us today, inspite our vast knowledge, revelations and wisdom in literacy and reading books, our pastors keep confusing themselves our simple structure of religion, and that isn't good for us, and is largely responsible for the confusions we have in religion today.

3. Does his present revelations constitute a 3rd covenant?

No!
It's still the same covenant Christ came with

tctrills:
I have never said anyone's revelations should be added in the bible. I really don't know where you got that one from. Why should we include any pastors revelations in the bible. The bible was complied 100s of years ago. I don't see the benefit of constantly adding new books to the bible. Please let's not get distracted. No one ever mentioned adding new passages to the bible.
Now back to my questions sir. Are the revelations of God to Paul of a higher grade than those given to pastor Adeboye.
And does the revelations given to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

to be frank with you, i don't know one revelation that was given to pastor Adeboye, that's why i say you should mention one.

For you to start saying that there was revelation given to pastor Adeboye, that means you have heard about the revelation?
So why don't you say it?

tctrills:
What do you mean by specify? Please explain.
Each pastor or each man of God is entitled to his own revelations so when you say specify, what really do you want me to do? Do you want me to mention a pastor's name.
If that is the case, is God's revelations to Pastor Adeboye of a lower grade to his revelations to Paul the apostle?
And does God's revelations to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Take note of the emboldened.
The revelation of John was specifically centred on Jesus Christ that's why it was documented in the bible.

If you are saying that pastor Adeboye's revelation for example, should also be documented in the bible, then mention one example of any such kind of Adeboye's revelation that he has revealed that is worth included in the bible.
Is that too difficult?

tctrills:
Now to the question I asked, since you believe that God words are of different grades, with those found in the bible of a higher grade than those he gives to your local pastor, do you have any verse in the bible that says so

I cannot answer your question until you specify one example of revelation given to local pastors.
All the revelations in the bible are being specified, you know them.

So, i can't answer your question until you do the needful.
No one can answer your question either until you specify

tctrills:
So I am talking 100% from a Christian point of view. I really don't know so much about African traditional religion.

No revelation should be added to the bible, the bible is already a collection of its own.
But the question is, are the revelations in the bible any more important that the revelations given to your local pastor?
And what do you mean when you talk about a third covenant?

first covenant waa Abrahamic covenant, hence the old testament was written to Israelites.
Second covenant was that of Christ, hence the new testament was written and added.
So, if there is any necessity to add to the bible, then there must be a third covenant perhaps of the local pastor adding to the bible, not of Christ.

Whether the revelations in bible are anymore important than that of Local pastors?
We already know the revelations in the bible.
Let's hear that of local pastors and compare it with that of the bible. The revelations of the bible will always be superior. while that of the local pastors will never stand a chance, therefore will not possibly added to the bible

tctrills:
First, parents correcting a child is not the same as God speaking to the child

OK,

. I would love to see where you got that from. A bible reference would do.

it's not bible reference.
Most African traditions believe that.
They put it that the voice of man can also be the voice of God in some circumstance. Especially in parental advice.
And this has proven right in most cases since parents were usually experienced in life, compared to their children.

Secondly, I am not speaking about scientific instructions or revelations. I am speaking specifically about revelations from men of God.
Revelations relating to things of God and holiness.
Do you think that God no longer gives such?
And if He does, are they in anyway inferior to those found in the bible?

so, what revelation do God give to these men of God that will warrant it to be written in a bible,
Revelation about a third covenant?

tctrills:
The question isn't about books, it's about God's revelations.

Revelations of what exactly, science or religion?
Because the book of revelation centred on Christ and nothing else
You saw my question that the emphases were pertaining to the resurrection of Christ right?
So, why are you ignoring that?

You should be asking if God has spoken again to mankind since after the book of revelations

there are various ways God speaks to people.
For instance, if a child goes astray and his parent speaks to him, it ia believed that God is speaking to the child through his parents, there is nothing new about that

You seem to believe that everything God said outside the compiled books in the bible is of less quality.

no!
wrong assumption.

I think I have already said that other books have their relevance.
For instance, I believe that that God inspired scientists to write their books too.
So, the relevance of a science book is science, and that of the book of revelation is Christ.
So, i can't possibly say that a science book is of lower quality, seeing that what a science book seek to address has no bearing for comparison with the book of revelation.

Hence, the question i asked you, do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to Christ?

I don't expect you to mention a science book or any book that is irrelevant of Christ

tctrills:
So let's get what you are saying,
You mean God's words have grades? Grade 1, the bible and grade 2, his words outside the bible.
Is this your personal opinion or are you speaking for God?
If it's your opinion, I respect it but then we need to know that it's just you.

do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to the death and resurrection of Christ?

Mention it let's see

tctrills:
But you just said God continued to reveal even after the bible? Sir which side are you on. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth, You agree that God spoke to people outside of the bible but according to you, what he said to them is not as relevant as what he said to the people in the bible. Is that your opinion or God's?

your question says as relevant as the bible.

Other books have their own relevance, but not as relevant as the bible pertaining to his new covenant

tctrills:
So in short' are there other books or revelations as relevant as the bible? If yes, please mention them.

no other book

tctrills:
Unless you mean that the very book of revelations ended with John

Exactly!
And every other person God spoke to after then, is not included again in the bible.

tctrills:
Good so you and I can't decide that the book of revelations ended the covenant. Only God can make such pronouncement.

no one is saying the new covenant ended with revelation.
Rather, the point is, revelation ended with John who wrote it , but the new covenant continues.

tctrills:
A few questions here.
1. What was the covenant?

That Christ should restore life back to mankind which was lost when Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning. 1 Cor 15:22

2. Are you saying that God's covenant with man was not completed until after the book of Revelations was written?

the book of Revelation is part of the new testament which is also part of the new covenant that commences from the book of Acts of the Apostles down to the book of Revelation

3. Many Christians died before the book of revelations was written, did they not have a covenant with God?

So long these Christians started being Christians from the book of Acts of the Apostles, they all have covenant with God

Whether Africans get blood money from babalawo shrine or miracle money from the church or even cele,it is solely their characteristics to be primitive and diabolical at some point they don't understand anymore irrespective of whether na church or babalawo.

To them, the mythological statement anything works for them is real..

To them, tithing works.
Offering works.
Holy water works
Candles works
Die by fire and thunder works

So, a simple prayer that Jesus will teach his disciples like "Our father, who hath in heaven.. " they have turn their own to long diabolical rituals
Yet, Africa is still among the poorest continent

tctrills:
The story of the bible began before the creation but suddenly ends at the book of revelations.
Why do you think it stopped? Here are two possible reasons, what do you think.
1. God has already revealed everything to mankind
2. There was no one qualified to record the words and revelations of God.

The aim of God inspiring humans to write the bible was to establish an everlasting covenant between him and mankind.
After that, there was no point continue inspiring humans to write anymore, since the everlasting covenant has been achieved through Christ

First of all,
Everything you have written up there,though they are all rebukable, but they are never criteria for hell

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Listen to what Christ said.
He didn't say he is condemned because he did anything else. Rather, he said he is condemned just simply because he didn't believe.
So, the only criteria for anyone to go hell is not anything else, but simply refusal to believe.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Secondly, why only women?
What about the atrocities men are doing against their wives too?