Politics › Re: The DSS Operative Who Testified For Mbah At Tribunal No Longer In Service -SR by Penguin2(op): 9:31pm On Jul 23, 2023 |
HacheNoire: Dear Nigerians,
Please let’s focus on Big Brother Nigeria for now. It’s glaring that the tribunal will lead to nowhere and that, His Excellency, President Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR) will be handing over power to Shettima in 2031, and Nyesom Wike will be coming as a vice.
Big Brother Nigeria should be the top priority for every Nigerian. Let’s focus on show and learn all we can, so as to make Nigeria a better place for all. In your dreams… I’m sure this is the reason that your paymasters contracted Multichoice to host BBNAIJA in order to distract us from the Tribunal but you have failed; woefully. If you didn’t succeed during the election when we needed to be in the field, it’s laughable to think you would succeed now that we are watching things from home. News flash: we can multi task - one eyes on BBNAIJA, one eyes on the judiciary. Remember that EndSARS happened at the end of BBNAIJA in 2020, the Supreme Court is likely to deliver final verdict on the petitions by the time that BBNAIJA will be ending in October. Pray you don’t see EndSARS 2.0 if the judiciary gives funny judgment. All eyes on the judiciary!!!
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Politics › Re: The DSS Operative Who Testified For Mbah At Tribunal No Longer In Service -SR by Penguin2(op): 7:52pm On Jul 23, 2023 |
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Politics › The DSS Operative Who Testified For Mbah At Tribunal No Longer In Service -SR by Penguin2(op): 7:46pm On Jul 23, 2023 |
Mbah who is facing perjury at the Tribunal has now added fake witness to his litany of problems. Isa Yahaya Mohammed, a man who claimed to be an official of the Department of State Services (DSS) while testifying at the Enugu State Governorship Election Tribunal on Tuesday, is not a serving officer of the secret police, SaharaReporters investigation has revealed.
Yahaya, who claimed while giving testimony at the tribunal, that he was a serving deputy director in charge of operations at the DSS, later contradicted himself in his written deposition where he wrote that he was Deputy Director (Strategy).
Yahaya said the failure of NYSC to maintain a proper record-keeping system was the cause of its inability to trace Mbah’s initial certificate.
Giving evidence, Yahaya, who also identified himself as DSS Deputy Director, Operations and Strategic Department, said the security agency commenced an investigation into the discharge certificate controversy following a petition to it by Mbah dated February 8, 2023.
Nigerian Secret Police, DSS Testifies In Enugu Governor, Mbah’s Alleged Certificate Forgery, Blames NYSC For Poor Record-Keeping Jul 19, 2023
Nigerian Secret Police, DSS Testifies In Enugu Governor, Mbah’s Alleged Certificate Forgery, Blames NYSC For Poor Record-Keeping According to him, there was an exchange of correspondence between Mbah and NYSC at every stage of their interaction.
But contrary to his statement, a source in the secret police told SaharaReporters that Yahaya retired as an Assistant Director of the DSS some years ago, suggesting that the secret service never at any time gave him the mandate to be in Enugu to give evidence on behalf of any of the contenders at the tribunal.
“Yahaya who testified at Enugu governorship tribunal is no longer with the DSS; he left the DSS some years ago. But some people are desperate to help Governor Mbah with his case and this involves some people at the top.
“So Yahaya who does dirty jobs for the DSS was recruited to testify in favour of Mbah,” the source said.
The DSS source revealed that contrary to the posturing of Yahaya at the tribunal, the DSS rarely responds to subpoenas, as its mandate does not include such investigations that would require it to be summoned to open court sessions.
The source said because of the nature of the mandate of the secret police, that there was no way the DSS would be involved in such an issue because, except otherwise stated, the duties of the service are secret and their findings are mostly classified.
“It is not possible for the DSS to be subpoenaed on such matters. Even when we are called to investigate issues such as certificate forgery by public officials, it is done discreetly and the findings are classified and shared only with relevant authorities.
“It is unheard of to find the service rendering before the courts or any member of the public, facts and materials from our investigations. It is not part of what we do here,” the source stated.
The source continued, "It will be unheard of for the DSS to put itself in a position where it is seen to be contradicting a federal government agency.
“You must know that the service must be aware of the position of the NYSC (National Youth Service Corps) on the matter. NYSC has made it clear that the man you are talking about (Peter Mbah) did not obtain his discharge certificate from them.
“How can the DSS, a federal government agency, be contradicting another important federal government agency? It cannot happen. Our job here is to protect the integrity of the Nigerian Government and its institutions and not to run them down.”
Another DSS source said there is no position like Deputy Director, Operations or Deputy Director, Strategy at the DSS headquarters.
He added that Yahaya could never have come from the DSS office.
"We do not have such positions as you mentioned in our office. I don't know where that person came from, but it is certainly not from our office," he said.
The source said, "In this document tendered by the so-called witness from the SSS or DSS, he described himself as the Deputy Director, Strategy. I wish to inform you that the position of deputy director does not exist in the service. What you hear is Assistant Director and then Director."
When contacted for clarification regarding Yahaya’s case, the spokesman for the DSS, Dr Peter Afunanya, simply said, "We are investigating."
Meanwhile, a legal practitioner, Joseph Maduabuchi Iloh also said the DSS is not, by its mandate, supposed to involve itself in investigations such as forgeries.
Iloh, who spoke about the controversy surrounding the appearance of the purported DSS officer at the Enugu Tribunal, said it was the duty of the Nigerian police and not the DSS to conduct investigations relating to forgeries and other crimes considered as not threatening to the internal security of the country.
Citing previous cases that have been handled by Nigerian courts, Iloh referred to a matter that had been handled by the Court of Appeal, which was published in the Nigerian Law Report.
He said, “In Tawakalitu v. FRN (2011) All FWLR (Pt. 561) 1413 at 1489 to 1490, par E-F, it is clear that the powers conferred on the police are wider than those of the State Security Service which are confined to detection of crimes against the internal security of Nigeria; preservation of all non-military classified matters concerning the internal responsibilities affecting internal security of the Nigerian State as the National Assembly or President may deem necessary to assign to the service.
“With the greatest respect, examination malpractices and/or certificate forgery is not one of those crimes relating to or contemplated by the National Security Act on the internal security of Nigeria to confer the State Security Service with the powers to arrest, detain, investigate, and arraign the accused persons in that respect.”
SaharaReporters had reported that the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) declared Peter Mbah of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) as the winner of the March 18 governorship election in Enugu State amid protests and allegations of overvoting.
According to the INEC declaration, Mbah polled a total of 160,895 votes to defeat his closest rival, Chijioke Edeoga of the Labour Party, who secured 157,552 votes.
But before the result was announced, the media had been awash with allegations that Mbah forged his NYSC discharge certificate.
Although he denied it, the Director General of the NYSC, Brig. Gen. Yushau Dogara, in addition to a letter repudiating the discharge certificate submitted by Mbah to INEC, also went on national television to disclaim the purported certificate.
The discharge certificate became even more controversial when Edeoga and the Labour Party made it their major item of prayer in their petition at the tribunal, where they seek to have the governor disqualified for alleged forgery and perjury. https:///3q31oYPNlfpmod Mynd44
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Politics › Re: Peter Obi Has Gone Rogue In Nigeria by Penguin2: 1:45pm On Jul 23, 2023 |
BabaRamota1980: Obi congratulates FIFA Women Squad Obi spends birthday with refugees Obi congratulates Mmesoma Obi congratulates student in China Obi praises woman who returned 70,000 Obi celebrates graduate in Russia Obi speaks at Catholic conference
Obi soon to file appeal with Supreme Court on PEPT judgement Edited Obi makes donation central mosque Onitsha Are you sure you know what rogue means? Please can you define rogue from your own perspective let’s start from there. |
Politics › Re: 'Sanwo-Olu Approves Mass Burial For 103 EndSARS Victims' - Gazette, The Sun by Penguin2(op): 1:17pm On Jul 23, 2023 |
FacilitatorLekk: Stop this nonsense, I stay near that oriental hotel, I was there that day, nobody died. We watched as the crowds was dispersed, Army was restoring law and order, the youths wanted to burn oriental hotels, after robbing banks, destroying businesses eirth billions and attacking and injuring Lagosians. The army did a professional job. Op you are a liar, show your face, if you are sure of this I should show my face so that you will kill me and bury me with the 103 corpses that you people want to bury? You are seeing a document written in black and white with signature of the head of the agency in charge yet you are blabbing instead of waiting for them to either own up or discredit the document. Isn’t that what reasonable people do? And talking about the Army not killing anyone, was the Army supposed to be there in the first place? |
Politics › 4 Governors, Wike, Attend Justice Monica Dongban-Mensem Son’s Memorial by Penguin2(op): 11:08am On Jul 23, 2023 |
And the big question is, is this proper? And what were they doing there? Did they even attend the boy’s burial? Why attend his memorial? No fewer than four governors yesterday attended the memorial service organised by the President of the Court of Appeal, Justice Monica Dongban-Mensem, for her son, Parker Shepnaan Dongban who passed on last year.
Some of the governors who attended the event held at Demshin in Plateau State still have cases at the election petitions courts where the Appeal Court President would have a major role to play.
However, there was no evidence that the Appeal Court president invited the governors to the event.
According to analysts, the governors might have attended the event in a typical Nigerian gesture, and perhaps, to curry favour.
Speaking at the service held at St. Peters Clever Church, Demshin in Plateau State, the Governor of Oyo State Governor, Seyi Makinde, who said he was speaking on behalf of the Nigerian Governors’ Forum (NGF), sympathised with Justice Dongban-Mensem, saying the governors identified with the family at the memorial service.
He said though the loss was painful, the governors recognised the impact made to humanity by the late Parker Shepnaan Dongban within the short period of his sojourn on earth, adding that his goodwill would be greatly missed.
He said: “Even though we remember our son today, we acknowledge that he lived an impactful life.”
Also speaking, the Governor of Plateau State, Mr. Caleb Mutfwang, who sympathised with the bereaved family, prayed to God to continue to comfort them.
He noted that no one can feel what the family has gone through since the untimely demise of the Parker.
He said: “There isn’t much to say on an occasion like this other than to say, may the good Lord continue to comfort you and the family because there is nothing we can do and the only thing is to pray for you.
“Even though one year has passed and we know you have enjoyed the comfort of the Lord, may you continue to enjoy the comfort of the Lord all the way. We will continue to pray that God will teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.”
Also at the memorial service were Benue State Governor, Rev. Fr. Hyacinth Alia; his Ogun State counterpart, Dapo Abiodun; former Governor of Plateau State, Senator Jonah Jang, and former Governor of Rivers State, Mr. Nyesom Wike.
In his message, the Bishop of Shendam Catholic Diocese, Most Rev. Philip Dung admonished the congregation and also prayed for the repose of the soul of Parker.
He asked God to continue to comfort the family.
He appealed to the Nigerian leaders not to abandon the people, particularly those in rural communities who voted them into power but to come up with programmes and actions that would cushion the effects of the present hardships being experienced in the country.
Bishop Dung drew the attention of governments at various levels to the lack of social amenities such as drinking water, roads, schools, and hospitals in most communities and called for urgent steps to be taken to give the people a sense of hope and belonging.
He applauded the President of the Court of Appeal for her investments in education which, he said, has enabled the less-privileged children to have access to schooling.
As part of the event, a Multipurpose Hall built at Ngoottuguut in memory of Parker was commissioned by the Director General of Nigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency (NIMASA), Dr. Bashir Jamoh alongside Mutfwang, and other dignitaries. https://thenigerialawyer.com/four-govs-wike-attend-appeal-court-presidents-sons-memorial-service/
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Politics › 'Sanwo-Olu Approves Mass Burial For 103 EndSARS Victims' - Gazette, The Sun by Penguin2(op): 10:17am On Jul 23, 2023 |
Governor of Lagos State, Babajide Sanwo-Olu, has approved the mass burial of at least 103 protesters who were massacred by joint forces of the Nigerian Army and the police during the October 2020 mass protest against police brutality tagged #EndSARS.
In a letter seen by Peoples Gazette and dated July 19 by the public procurement agency, the state government engaged the service of Messrs Tos Funeral Ltd, a private firm, at the cost of N61,285,000 to bury 103 bodies which were identified to be victims of the killings.
“Following review of your request and based on the information provided therein, the agency has “No Objection” to the award of contract to MESSRS TOS FUNERALS LIMITED at a total cost of N61,285,000 (Sixty-one million, two hundred and eighty-five thousand Naira only) for the mass burial for the 103, the year 2020 Endsars victims,” the letter read.
This move comes almost three years after Mr Sanwo-Olu and his colleagues in government barefacedly denied the brutal killing of unarmed protesters who were waving the Nigerian flag and chanting the national anthem when the military opened fire on them at the Lekki toll gate on the night of October 20, 2020.
Chief press secretary to Mr Sanwo-Olu, Gboyega Akosile, was asked about how this new move reflects on the past denials of the state government, he laughed and simply told The Gazette that “the government will release its response soon.”
The move also comes after a call for identification of missing persons by the Lagos state government was ignored due to several reports of intimidation and harassment, which was meted out to individuals who appeared before the panel of inquiry to make claims that indicted the government.
Mr Sanwo-Olu had issued a white paper to affirm his denial of the findings of the Lagos State’s judicial panel of inquiry, which described the incident as a massacre. The judicial panel had ruled that nothing could justify the war-grade violence unleashed on peaceful protesters, which led to the death of scores during the incident.
While Mr Sanwo-Olu and his government continue to uphold their denial as the official version of events, a great deal of evidence and a number of government decisions, such as the appointment of former Army chief Turkur Buratai as a diplomatic envoy to the Benin Republic, which many believed was done to protect him from prosecution by the International Criminal Court, confirmed the incident and further demonstrated that the government was aware there was sufficient evidence to conclude that the incident was a massacre.
The judicial panel affirmed that the casualty of the incident was worsened because the army refused to allow ambulances and medical help to get to injured protesters who were in need of them. The panel also added that the army stole the corpse of the protesters and wiped blood stains off the scene to hide evidence of its crime and hinder the investigation of the panel.
Chief pathologist of the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital (LASUTH), Professor John Obafunwa, testified before the panel of inquiry that at least 99 bodies were deposited in morgues across Lagos from the EndSars protests, with several of them carrying bullet wounds, some blunt trauma, and some bruises. Of these 99 bodies that were confirmed to be that of protesters, three were successfully traced to have been brought in from the toll gate.
A video investigation published by CNN also complimented several videos that were taken during the incident and confirmed that the men of the Nigerian Army and police indeed shot directly at protesters using live bullets. Mr Sanwo-Olu has asked citizens to “snap out of the incident,” and build back better but families who lost their loved ones in the incident struggle to find closure in the face of the government’s suppression of the truth. https://twitter.com/GazetteNGR/status/1683063279449505793?t=aOCstxKVGg4nPxaojGkNCQ&s=19https://gazettengr.com/after-several-denials-sanwo-olu-plans-mass-burial-for-103-protesters-massacred-during-endsars/#:~:text=Governor%20of%20Lagos%20State%2C%20Babajide,against%20police%20brutality%20tagged%20%23EndSARS. Lagos govt approves mass burial for Endsars victims
The Lagos State government has approved the sum of N61, 285,000.00 for the mass burial of the 103, the year 2020 Endsars victims.
In a letter titled ‘Letter of No Objection. Mass Burial for the 103, the Year 2020 Endsars Victims’, dated July 19th, with reference number LA/PPA/NO ONJ/VOL22/213, addressed to the permanent secretary, Ministry of Health, Alausa, Ikeja and signed by the Director General of the Lagos State Public Procurement Agency, Mr Onafowote Fatai Idowu, the government awarded the contract TOS Funerals Limited.
In the Certified True Copy report of the Lekki incident investigation of October 20, 2020, by the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Inquiry on Restitution for Victims of SARS-Related Abuses and Other Matters seen by the Daily Sun, the panel revealed that several unidentified bodies were removed by security agencies and the Lagos State Environmental Health Monitoring Unit (LASEHMU) and deposited at various hospital mortuaries in Lagos State. The panel also said it found the cases of death or injured protesters credible and asked that the families of the victims be compensated and their bodies released. It is unclear if the directive to release the victims’ bodies to their families has been carried out.
Though there has been no official statement from the government affirming the death of victims of the Endsars protest, the letter signed by Mr Idowu confirms that Governor Babajide Sanwo-Olu signed off on the contract to give the victims a mass burial.
“We refer to your letter dated 13 July 2023 with Ref No: LSMH/G/NS/013-1/23 in respect of the above subject matter. Following our review of your letter and the documents attached, we note the following; Mr Governor’s approval, minutes of ministerial tenders’ board meeting, procurement planning committee and sign-off.
“Following review of your request and based on the information provided therein, the Agency has “No Objection” to the award of contract To Messrs. TOS Funerals Limited at a total cost of N61,285,000.00 (Sixty-One Million, Two Hundred and Eighty-Five Thousand Naira) only for the mass burial for the 103, the year 2020 Endsars victims
“In view of the above, please note that you should ensure a quadruplicate copy of the letter of award for Messes. TOS Funerals Limited, registered with the PPA within 72 hours, ensure the submission of the certificate of suppliers registration with PPA in the appropriate class, ensure all statutory taxes and deductions are remitted by the supplier and the letter of award is to be accompanied by a copy of this letter of “No Objection, Certificate of Registration / Renewal with PPA and receipt of payment of Admin fees (0.25%) to be paid before release of fund.
“Refer to Head of Service circular with Reference No. CIR/H05/20/Vol 1/051 dated May 2020, it is mandated that the 0.25% admin fee is paid to PPA and the 0.5% agreement fee is paid to the Ministry of Justice. Service providers should indicate in writing where there is the need for STO/MDA Finance and Accounts to deduct at source or payment directly by the service providers before the release of funds.
“Pursuant to Sections 18 (1) (b) and 18(1) (k) of the Lagos State Public Procurement Law 2021), your office is required to keep proper records of this project which shall be subject to procurement audit by the agency after. Please be guided accordingly,” the letter read. https://www.google.com/amp/s/sunnewsonline.com/lagos-govt-approves-mass-burial-for-endsars-victims/%3famp
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Politics › Re: Appeal Court Voids Order On E-Transmission Of Election Results In Lagos by Penguin2: 9:59am On Jul 23, 2023 |
tinsel: The petition is over. Lol! You wish. |
Politics › Re: I Have No Regrets Over My Role In 2023 Elections – Wike by Penguin2: 9:46am On Jul 23, 2023 |
Yes. You have no regrets because who the gods want to kill, they first make mad. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Their Are 50 State And Washington Dc In Usa. Only Our Things Differs by Penguin2: 9:40am On Jul 23, 2023 |
Dc14: Usa do not joing thier capital with thier state but see nigeria here things are different always missing up things. Why is it not state that nigeria has 36 state and abuja fct Are you aware that in 2016 presidential election in the USA, Hilary Clinton won popular votes (simple majority) but lost what is called Electoral College which was how Trump became president because Trump won the Electoral College. So now you know that what US doesn’t have in making Washington DC to hold the status of Abuja in their constitution, they have it in the Electoral College. So, every constitution has its own peculiar provisions as informed by their social realities. I’m sure that if INEC organizes the US election, they will declare the candidate who won popular votes, but lost the Electoral College, the winner and ask the candidate that won the Electoral College to “go to court”. |
Politics › Re: 2023: INEC Denies Opting For Manual Collation, Vouc Electronic Transmission by Penguin2: 9:32am On Jul 23, 2023 |
Lol!
Do you know that INEC was subpoenaed to produce this statement and they sent a representative who came to court and said they have no record of this statement in their archives.
INEC is a criminal organization.
I wish a miracle can happen and we are saved from these kidnappers.
What will follow after would be total cleansing of every organization and agencies of government of Nigeria.
Goodness! |
Politics › Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2(op): 9:24am On Jul 23, 2023 |
Odibembem: Col Ali was administrator of Plateau after OBJ declared state of emergency Read it well. The Ali that was appointed by Obasanjo was not a Colonel but a General. And guess what, the General was retired, not a serving Army General. By the way, this was in state of emergency and not under normal circumstances.
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Politics › Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2(op): 9:12am On Jul 23, 2023 |
00FFT00: Please permit me to re-adjust Question 3. Thank you. Please go ahead 👍 |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 9:10am On Jul 23, 2023 |
aswani: Can you please send me the information were President Tinubu's lawyers admitted he was fined?
The witness, a Mr Bamidele, claimed the forfeiture was related to a civil and not a criminal case. The witness also admitted that the forfeiture was connected to Narcotics dealing case.
Clearly you want to conflate issues and twist things to suit your narrative which I guess is standard fayre for Obidients clutching at straws.
President Tinubu wasn't fined as per the portion of the election eligibility documents you are depending on. He also wasn't convicted of any wrongdoing in that case but of course you knew that already. And narcotics is what? Baby food? You guys aren’t ashamed of association of your candidate with narcotics? Is narcotics Cerelac? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 9:07am On Jul 23, 2023 |
solreb: Did the circle part not referring to Nigerian law? Was the forfeiture made under Nigerian law?. Also, the next section says any conviction must have happened within the last 10 years. This happened 30 years ago. So even if Tinubu was convicted he was now free to contest since the 10 years status bar was over What the next section says is irrelevant to the case at hand because the petitioners filed their suit under the authority of Section 137 subsection 1 D. Now, that subsection made no mention of 10 years expiry date. Again, that your “next section” is not a follow up nor the completion of Subsection D. So, 10 years talk is only in your imagination.
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Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 9:01am On Jul 23, 2023 |
SledgeHammerer: My position has been consistent. Go back and check. You're saying based on INEC results abi? So where's his own results to dispute that of INEC? That's where the uzodinma case you mentioned is different.
You came third and want the disqualification of who came first. So how do you benefit from that decision if granted? When you don't have any figure before the court that suggest you got more votes than the person placed second.
See there's a reason obi abandoned his original stance of "I won the election". He knows he never won that election and there's no evidence to prove he did. Dem dey use una stay relevant. Lol 🤣🤣 Uzodimma never approached the court with a figure. He only went with the number of polling units canceled which was 388. It was when the Supreme Court agreed with him that they added the figures in the 388 results sheet and declared Uzodimma. Again, in that Uzodimma case, did he join the candidates that came 2nd and 3rd like you lots have been suggesting that Obi should have joined Atiku in his suit? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 8:54am On Jul 23, 2023 |
Lotanna2: Atiku failed to prove that tinubu voluntarily acquired citizenship.the expired passport he tendered is inadmissible.calling witnesses from guinea would have clarified issues.compare your watery evidence to the nysc vs DSS report in enugu.you have nothing on asiwaju All asked for was an example of involuntary conferment of citizenship on anyone apart from citizenship by birth, but you have provided it. Lemme know when you have that example. Until then, what you people are doing now is trying to wriggle out through technicalities. That’s why you are talking about expired document (passport in this case) not being admissible, and calling of the president of Guinea to stand as witness. But let’s see how far technicalities will take Tinubu. |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 11:31pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
aswani: You do realise that for a forfeiture, the actual crime could have been commited by someone else as happened in this case?
President Tinubu had to forfeit the money as it was in his account. The person(s) that paid it in and/or the source of the funds were probably fined or convicted or both. Lol! Tinubu’s lawyers are in court arguing that indeed Tinubu was fined but it was civil proceedings but you are here arguing that it was his account. Does account own itself? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 11:28pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Lotanna2: Citizenship by birth, marriage (to an extent) conferment/honorary.it is something you never asked or applied for,you didn't swear allegiance to or renounce your citizenship.it is self explanatory. Do you consent to marriage or is marriage forced on you? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 11:00pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
9jaRealist: Since you say he first contested the results and is now contesting Tinubu’s qualification… That makes BOTH of his arguments CONSISTENT, rather than inconsistent, with each other! > Don’t mind this people. Remember that all this their masturbation is on Obi’s reply to Tinubu. Was Tinubu the one that spearheaded the election or managed or announced results that Obi would dwell deeply into analyzing election results with him? They should wait until they see Obi’s written address to INEC who managed results. |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 10:55pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
casualobserver: Stop wasting my time. I am not here for going around in circles. If you dont understand the term “under sentence” you dont understand section d.
I have cited many legal sources to explain the term “under sentence” in law but I guess you can’t fix stupid. Lol! It’s like asking you, “who is the governor of Lagos State?” And instead of answering my question, you start to cite sources, telling me about the number of local governments in Lagos and other irrelevant talks unrelated to the question; would these things ever equate to the name of the governor of Lagos State? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 10:51pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
aswani: Probably wasting my time but I am in the mood for indulging you today:
"Fines and fees include parking tickets and speeding tickets (including those from traffic cameras), court-imposed fees used to cover administrative costs and other criminal justice-related charges and penalties. A forfeiture is when the police seize property that is believed to be connected to a crime"
The above is from urban.org and shows clearly that Fines and Forfeitures are not interchangeable terms.
President Tinubu clearly isn't a criminal, at best he at some point associated with criminals whether knowingly or unknowingly.
Continue your crusade, nothing will come out of it sha. Read your own definition again and take note of the part I underlined. You Have you taken note of your definition of forfeiture? Now, what was Tinubu accused of doing in US court again and what was the outcome?
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Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 10:45pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Lotanna2: Citizen by birth,conferment is involuntary.the constitution clearly said voluntarily acquired instead of dual citizenship.ishola vs lp 2012 clearly stated that only renunciation can disq someone Any instance(s) of involuntary conferment of citizenship? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 10:26pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
casualobserver: I have attempted logic with you but it is clear your IQ is too low to handle logic. Anyone capable of critical thinking or basic common sense will know that you can’t be allowed to contest if your offense is over 10 years and at the same time barred from contesting if you’ve been sentenced…does that make sense to you? The reason you don’t get it as well as the 25% in FCT is you have no brains left. Like I said you have to be daft to be an Obidient….very very daft. It is not an insult it is a statement of fact.
Even if you don’t understand the law you have to look at the intent of the law to understand what the law is trying to achieve. What the law says in section E is if you haven’t been convicted in the last 10 years, you have repented of your past crimes and so you are considered a fit and proper member of society. What subsection d say is that if you have not served your sentence, I.e you haven’t paid your fine, served your prison sentence or whatever the sentence may be including execution ( If you were sentenced to death) is that you have not served your punishment and we cannot have a president or governor or senator who we know for sure has been sentenced and may be compromised because he hasn’t paid his fines or is at risk of being jailed or executed. That is the intent of the law. Lol! All I see is pain. That’s all! I’m going to reproduce subsection D of section 137 again so you can look at it again; maybe this time you will look at it more reasonably. Now, can you see that subsection D is separated from subsection E by a disjunct - “OR”? What this means is that subsection E does not flow from subsection D nor is it (E) the completion of D. Only the disqualifying criteria under subsection E has 10 years expiry date. The disqualifying criteria under subsection D runs ad infinitum without an expiry date. Stick to the letters of the constitution and not conjectures.
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Politics › Re: Tinubu, APC Plotting To Threaten Election Tribunal Judges With Arrest – Atiku by Penguin2: 10:09pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Lol!
Na them first shout “Go to court! Go to court!!”
Now we went to court. They start with the stupid rhetorics that “the case is watery”, “no evidence.”
Now reality is beginning to dawn on them and they wanna go after judges.
Well, let’s see how far Tinubu and his gang of criminals can go.
But if Abacha, an Army General whose word was law, could be stopped, Tinubu is a small fry.
Go and write it down. |
Politics › Re: APC To Atiku Abubakar - No Plot To Undermine Judiciary by Penguin2: 10:03pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Lol!
APC knows it can do all its rubbish with Obi because he’s an Igbo man.
But they can’t try nonsense with Atiku.
They sha know their limits.
Even their online minions dare not talk when a northern talks.
They always coil their tails behind their anus and hide whenever a northerner coughs; even if he’s an Almajiri. Lol. |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 9:51pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
casualobserver: You are daft. It’s not abuse, it’s a statement of fact.
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I have told you the meaning of “under sentence”, if you fail to understand that, you will fail to understand everything else in subSection d.
There is a difference between “sentenced” and “under sentence”. You are sentenced the minute your punishment is pronounced, until you serve your sentence you are “under sentence”, once you serve your sentence, you are no longer “under sentence”.. The more I interact with you Ob1diots the more I understand why such a daft man could have hoodwinked so many people. You are all daft, again I am not saying that to abuse, you people really have a very very low IQ.
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/under-sentence-of-imprisonment
“Under sentence of imprisonment means while serving a term of imprisonment, while under a suspended sentence, while on probation or parole, or while on work-release, furlough, escape, or any other type of release or freedom, while or after serving a term of imprisonment, other than unconditioned release and freedom after expiration of term of sentence.”
Read below for an example of the disctinction between people who are under sentence and those have been convicted of an offense but are no longer “under sentence” to understand what it means to be “under sentence”.
https://lawexplores.com/consequences-and-the-perils-of-categorical-ambiguity/ Lol! Again you degenerated to more insults than logic. How many times did the word “OR” occur after the phrase “under sentence”? Is “OR” a disjunct or a conjunct? And you are yet to point to the 10 years expiry date you alluded to. That’s what you should be doing, and not throwing insults. |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 9:05pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
aswani: Does this include parking fines at all?
By the way, President Tinubu wasn't fined, he forfeited monies in his account that were proved not his. Look at subsection D very well again, can you see the phrase in brackets? It reads “by whatever name called”. So, sorry sir, Tinubu cannot hide under play on words. The constitution envisaged a criminal like him would come.
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Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 9:02pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Lotanna2: Oga,they don't need to repeat it that is why they said a sentence of imprisonment or fine instead of or a fine.therefore that fine must be from the sentence.in any case,court fines one that has been proven guilty after a trial.a court fine comes from a conviction. An exparte motion was moved against tinubu and it was granted.an out of court agreement was entered which involves seizure.it was what was agreed by tinubu and us authorities.the court did not fine anyone. Lol! It’s so pathetic that you keep reading the constitution by word instead of reading the entire sentence so you can deduce the meaning of the entire provision. The constitution said “fine” involving dishonesty or fraud and then went ahead to include “by whatever name called” in a parenthesis. Is Tinubu’s forfeiture not a proceed of fraud? If he wasn’t guilty, why seek an out of court settlement? Why not allow the entire proceedings run its course? |
Politics › Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Penguin2(op): 8:54pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
casualobserver: I swear you are daft!!! You don’t even know the meaning of “or”. “Or” means if any of the conditions apply. None of the conditions apply because he is neither “under sentence” nor has he been convicted in the last 10 yrs.
Go and ask a lawyer the meaning of “under sentence”
I swear you people are daft!
Go and look for mike izekhone’s interview yesterday in the Akwa Ibom governors case. Don’t think because a lawyer is taking a case to court, the plaintiff has a case. Very often a lawyer will proceed with a case he knows he cannot win. Either for money or because his client wants him to despite advice.
Listen to Ezekome talk about a lawyer bringing a case to court similar to the same case he brought to court previously and was dismissed previously. ClearLy showing the lawyer knows he is going to lose. When defendants are closing their case in 1 day with 1 witness it shows you have no case. Your case is open and shut, flimsy. Mind you this is the same Ezekome that is usually on PDP or IPOB side o.
Nothing more to say! Lol. Can you stick to logic and reasoning and discard insults? Isn’t that what reasonable and refined people do? Now to the issues you raised… If I give you money to go and buy food for me and I tell you to buy either rice or beans or spaghetti or macaroni or bread, do I mean you should buy all these items or that one is okay? Talking about 10 years, I’m going to reproduce subsection D for your perusal. I would like you to either download or screenshot and underline where 10 years is written in the provision and repost for me. I want us to stick to facts and letters of the constitution, not conjectures.
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