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rejosom:
No doubt Sir, to render is to pay.

Was Jesus talking about money?

You did not answer? Oh I get it. You only pay money huh!

rejosom:
You must do all...petra1. Who said earlier that tithe is not compulsory. No wahala.

Pray tell how does God need money? And what was referred to in that passage as giving to God what belongs to God. Money?

rejosom:
God does not need money...

Open your eyes. People need money. It's better given to those who really really need it.

Peacefullove:
and Abraham tithed just once

how come yours is weekly and monthly ?

felixomor:
Stop making noise.
Abraham didnt pay tithe to a poor man
You keep demonstrating ignorance of scripture

connectikut89:
You asked if Priests aren't Levites. I'll reply you. All Priests were Levites but not all Levites were Priests.

? Here tithes were even given to singers and gatekeepers. Your pastors dare not!

To gain a clear understanding of what and of who Malachi is speaking about all four chapters should be read and the context considered.
Malachi 1:6 and 2:1 offers evidence that God is specifically addressing the priest, not the people!

Yes, the priests robbed God and robbed the whole nation too

Well I don't know about farms but the Levites(which may have included the priests) where given pasture lands for rearing their livestock (Numbers 35:1-4). There's no mention of the priests being excluded from this arrangement.

chemystery:
And when you execute criminals, you also execute both their wives, mothers, innocent babies, both born and unborn like instructed in Hosea13:16? That's the perfect justice to you abi?

simon3kwork:
TITHING; THE NEW TESTAMENT APPROACH
The internet of late has been awash with issues on tithing with matters like “#freeTheSheeple, #QuoteJustOneScriptureInTheNEWTESTAMENT that says believers should tithe

Pataricatering:
I thought Jesus died on the cross for humanities sin ? So which sin again would make God so cruel as to take a healing he gave back It makes more sense that the pastor lied about the miracle than for God to be so wicked as to take back a miracle he gave !

connectikut89:
God was talking to the Priests my friend. The people were paying tithes but the priests were not giving the levites their dues.

They were diverting the tithes away from the storehouse. Let us hear word with this your Malachi 3:8 that you don't even understand abeg

michaelang:
According to the scriptures, money is not acceptable as tithe

michaelang:
However, tithes were not acceptable from strictly Gentile lands. So you need to ask your pastor how come he is collecting tithes in Nigeria

milkymesh:
In recent times, I am having a second thought on things I read and believed in the bible.

I have never read a place in the bible where the devil killed someone without Gods permission.
1. He killed Jobs ten sons with God's permission.
Why did some innocent young guys just die because two powerful being placed a bet. Why place bet with peoples life?

2. God killed first born of Egypt, even animals where not spared. Even first born infants, babies, and children where murdered. Why visit adult sins on innocent children. Imagine sentencing a man child to dead because his father is an armed robber. is that just.

3. Book haram who kill people because they don't believe in their brand of Islam is branded as terrorist. Now God told the Israelite to killed the Canaanites because they belong to another religion. A whole tribe was murdered in many cases. What do we call that in modern times. Imagine if all Igbo's are murdered because they are not Muslim. What do we call that in modern times.

4. Elijah(or is it Elisha?) ordered a bear to kill some little boys because they where making jest of him. Why not simply correct them. Is killing them a just punishment for making jest of someone? As a little school boy, I made caricature of some disabled people then and I am sure most of us did or still do that. Should the state make such a capital offence, will you support it?

I can go on and on. I am beginning to doubt many stories in the bible.
What are your views?

dorox:
I will always applaud any selfless act of kindness shown towards a fellow human in need, but not this charade of a show that looks more like a promotional drive than a selfless act of kindness.
The title of the op already says it all. It was done to honour of the "Jesus of our time", Pastor Chris.

Loveaflame:
MALACHI 3:7-12, was addressed to the whole nation and not the priests as he claimed in his speech. Let’s look at verses 8-9,
“8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: FOR YE HAVE ROBBED ME, EVEN THIS WHOLE NATION.”

Allta:
May I humbly add that those that tithe are supposed to eat their tithes, spend their tithe money alongside those who needs help most.

And for you guys who don’t agree with me, I beseech you tonstudy Deut 14 with patience.

Topgainer:
My respect for Adeboye nosedived ever since he raised a short wooden staff as a prayer tool before his followers. It was low when I saw that Ayo Oritsejafor as a preacher in his podium, in fact, most of the fake Prophets and Bishops call him their Father.
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If RCCG wants to advertise their new found prowess with that lady, they should be willing to make a follow up documentary, 30 minutes interview, to be repeated in 10 days time, 2 months and 6 months.
It is not that we love to be incredulous, but I would like an uninterrupted interview of 30 minutes minimum, where the lady is allowed to speak on contemporary issues and answer to open ended questions.
There is usually a break period in insane people and a relapse time.
Jesus heals people in their homes and the glory is returned to him. Healings of that nature are not used as motion picture advert because most times the receiver does not link it to any Nigerian man of cloth.
Of course, Jesus still heals and Daddy G.O Adeboye is not Jesus. He doesn't come close to the sanctification of Jesus especially with the way he is going about his pastoring job of recent.

T.B Joshua whom Nigerian Pentecostal Pastors are jealous of, his gifts and spiritual knowledge has not successfully healed a mad person. I know one at Benin, the insanity returned almost immediately the family brought him backfrom Ikotun

MuttleyLaff:
This isn't a problem if, as long, people aren't being forced people to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if they don't give.
As long as specified financial demands aren't forced on people, it isn't a prob
If people willing and on their own initiative give, that's OK

The more why it is baffling because you seem to be reading and understanding a new bible

If you have a gift or surplus of 10 cars, you are not under any obligation to give 0.001 percent of it, talkless 10%
The decision to give or not to give, is up to you.

I know you're familiar with the phrase:"Time is money"
Do you tithe your time too?
Do you divide your time into tenths when carrying out Kingdom purposes?

Paul talked about the revolutionary manner of giving, that superceded taxed, obligatory or mandatory tithes

A bit of biblical shock for you,
if you don't know what the new law is

BERNIMOORE:
prove that 'order' is 'priesthood'

plainbibletruth:
Jesus instructed the church to apply what? Where did he instruct the church? Please clarify

Hey! What is the book of Hebrews all about?
On what basis did Jesus get the high status he attained as per the book of Hebrews?
Did Melchizedek fulfil the same basis?

Before we drift off-course, remember the NT has given us a fair KNOWLEDGE of how the early church operated.

NOT ONCE in all these books was TITHING a COMMAND or ADVISE to the Christian.

If now want to HIDE UNDER 'eternal principle' or whatever to justify changing how tithing was prescribed in the Old Covenant to MONETARY TITHING or as muttleyLaff said into "ecclesiastical tithe", it should occur to you, asuustrike2009 and your other guys that something is not quite right. In fact, that something is wrong.

I've given you book after book in the NT where GIVING and its administration were mentioned and NOT ONCE was tithing brought up

I ask you again: Did ALL these Apostles miss out something? Did they fail us in omitting something so ‘life changing’, ‘eternal principle’, ‘principle of faith’, ‘open heaven’, etc, etc.?

Petra1, the LAW has changed!

The new LAW was a 'mystery (but) now revealed' i.e. unknown in the past. And i want to add, not directly related to the past.

The Apostles gave us the blueprint for our spiritual life under the new LAW.

Mandatory TITHING IS NOT THERE!

Goshen360:
Lol....if the .....e.g worship has changed, why wouldn't the offering change? Lol.

MuttleyLaff:
He will advise you that God was talking to priest last but a nation

MuttleyLaff:
No, not insinuating, but rather outrightly telling you Jacob DID NOT fulfil all together.
He couldn't because God too hadn't fulfil His part of the deal where God said He will give the land to Jacob's descendants

felixomor:
Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

MuttleyLaff:
An assumption pill to bitter for you to swallow

If Cain could marry one of his sisters, why not can a brother not now, marry his sister.

but of course, gumption will tell you this isn't advisable because of how the human building block has depreciated and can cause medical abnormalities

If you, study well, you will find out Paul never said and felt he was entitled to taxed, obligatory or mandatory tithe or one tenth of biblical believers financial income

Burnt offering done by Abel, was done before the law, so why aren't you harping that it is an everlasting principle, like you always say about tithing, and demanding that it has to be continued and done in this modern age?

Incest would be missing the mark,
and essentially that is what sin is, isn't it?

plainbibletruth:
The Levitical priests were sustained by the system put in place for them. Today's ministers are to be sustained by HOW God wants them to be taken care of: And obligatory TITHING is not one of them

....... one in the manner of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed to the order of Aaron? HEBREWS 7:11 AMP

And this becomes even more evident if another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, HEBREWS 7:15 AMP

"Manner of" , "likeness of" means same kind; like.

Just as Melchizedek was a king-priest Jesus Christ is a king-priest. A category higher than stand-alone priesthood or kingship that still depends on a priest.

When Jesus accomplished his work he became "much superior to angels". Jesus's work qualified him to enter the "most holy place". It was after this that the "necessity of a change in the Law came about. It was after this that "a better covenant" came

All these make Jesus' ministry different, separate and SUPERIOR to anything including Melchizedek's ministry.

Could every believer under the Mosaic Law offer sacrifice to God directly?

Can any Christian approach the throne of grace directly today?

Spuggie:
How convenient it is for you to quote the old testament out of context to suit your claims

It may interest you to know that there are so many laws in the old testament that are obsolete today

Did Jesus or any of the early apostles pay tithes?

The focus was on helping the poor, widows and vulnerable in the society

If Christ died for us and washed away our sins and cleared our debts, how come there is no need for burnt offerings

, no need to visit Jerusalem for the annual Passover feast but we are allowed to tithe? Just thinking aloud

Ilekokonit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NwKD9laZw

Mar joe is a 1972 American documentary film produced and directed by Howard Smith and Sarah Kernochan about the life of evangelist Marjoe Gortner. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.

Marjoe was a precocious child preacher with extraordinary talents, who was immensely popular in the American South. His parents earned large sums of money off of his earnings until the point he outgrew the novelty of his youthfulness.

Marjoe rejoined the ministry as a young adult solely as a means of earning a living, not as a believer. He spent the next several years using his fame and status as an evangelist to earn a living from both tent revivals and televangelism. Eventually, Gortner suffered a crisis of conscience and decided to give up the revival circuit. He offered a documentary film crew unrestricted access to him during his final revival tour, which took place in 1971.