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Jenwitemi:
. . . that they may have been cleverly maneuvered into worshiping the god of this world through their respective religious dogmas as the true God without them knowing it? It is quite obvious that all the signs of trickery are there for all to see those who are really paying attention.

Would you be so kind as to outline some of them here?

ukotmi:
Vengeance ministry. I swear by Kunleoshobo's tithe envelope, the ministry is located near my house here in Lagos.

ROFLMHO

nuclearboy:
Have you ever considered that the only one that matters to the men on the pulpits is the cash that comes into their coffers? Is that their own gratitude?

Yes!!!

Okayyyy. . .

Where's the question for discussion??

Come to think of it.  .  . I think I cam accross one somw 2 or 3 weeks ago

It was - [size=14pt]"O LORD, CHANGE MY SMELL" [/size]

slap1:
The craziest one I've seen and will ever see was in Aba. The crusade's title was :Your Money Is Looking For You! I was suprized and it gave me an advanced knowledge of what the 21st century church is turning into. So what are some of the strange, crazy and funny crusade titles u've come across?

Acidosis:
"Carry over must die". How can one kill a non-living thing. Some xtians are only interested in killing by fire, thunder and lightning. .

ROFLMHO

noetic16:
I am not aware of any scripture that suggests the aforementioned? please explain . . ,

Ah. . . I see you've joined the waiting list

Deep Sight:
As described in scripture, I have the impression that its more of a Force. Like God's will in action.

Sir,

Can you please show us one or two of these "descriptions" you're referring to??

I've heard about this idea about the Holy Spirit but keep wondering why anyone would ever come to that conclusion about him

Now I have the chance to learn about it firsthand from an expert 

Kai! No be lie o! 

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Enigma:
Meanwhile apart from donating for his $2 million donor appeal, you can also buy your "prosperity prayer shawl"[/color] from Hinn's website for $50! They stop at nothing when it comes to fleecing the flock.

Ahn ahn now!!! 

Enigma:
I know this is gossip and I am breaking one of my own rules on trying to avoid focusing on personal relationships or morality per se of these televangelists/prosperity"gospel" people unless context requires it. However, I think the story/gossip is interesting enough!

The American rag National Enquirer reported on a romantic trip to Rome with pictures. See pictures here: http://twitpic.com/288cb8/full

However, both have "denied" 'immorality' or 'impurity' in their relationship. See story and denials here: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/July/Evangelists-Hinn-White-Deny-Affair-Allegations/

If you read each "denial" carefully, you will see that they don't clearly deny that they are dating ---- just that there is no 'impurity' or 'immorality' in their relationship ----- yet (if you read Benny Hinn's carefully); and that is even if either of them can be believed.

Why am I not surprised??

Na serious matter o. . .


But a really hilarious video sha

aletheia:
^^^You adulterer! Why don't you crawl back under the rock you 've been hiding under. Now we see the kind of fruit of people that are comfortable with CE.

Kai! detective aletheia!

I think you consider nuclearboy's observation o! d guy cannot sin, he's given his life to pastor christ

SirJohn:
No joke man, the guy is a professor

No wonder he keeps inventing crap Jesus & the apostles didn't know 

too mush book

SirJohn:
@Enigma, I hope you know Oyaks is a professor of Pneumatology. well just for your information

That's a joke, right?

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=482605.msg6421847#msg6421847 date=1279668751]^^
em, actually, I'm being serious.
My white pal told me that at lunch today. He believes it proves Adam and eve were white. How he came to that conclusion I dont know.[/quote]

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=482605.msg6421393#msg6421393 date=1279662656]Sure this proves God is a white man. . . . . . QED[/quote]

I think the poster was actually serious about his request for explanations

mazaje:
If there is any God that created the universe and wants people to know  about his/her/its religion it will come natural, no body will have to be thought about that God's religion.  . . . . .

Your opinion

@OP. To be honest, yes I will o. even before I remeber whats up  

mba emeka:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!

Depravity had a friend and envy was his name o!

We spend billions in reaching the unsaved because we received a divine mandate from God almighty "to take my divine presence to the nations of the world and demonstrate the character of my spirit"

You guys keep giving yourselves away. SO this is your "divine mandate", abi?

My question is - how does this save anyone biblically speaking??

Cos all the apostles and early Christians had was the "old fashioned" (compared to your version) gospel of God's grace & salvation through Jesus Christ. And it was always enough to get souls saved and keep them on the path of righteousness throughout their lives. Anyway sha, 

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=478028.msg6397419#msg6397419 date=1279299096][color=#000099]I like your 2 cents. It makes sense. However the verses you're quoting in 2 Corinthians have nothing whatsoever to do with the 'destroy the flesh verse'. You would only like to think so. In 1 Cor Paul delivered Judgement on a particular case, saying the person's flesh is to be destroyed for the salvation of that person. He made that judgement only in that one instance, which seemed to him a grievous sin, a man sleeping with his father's wife. He did not say all sinners should be treated that way. After his judgement he then advocated shunning all sinners within their camp. But the thing is, it doesn't matter what Paul meant, or what we want those verses to mean now. What matters is what the people who used it as a basis to burn people alive, destroying the flesh, thought it meant. Offenders against the crown were usually beheaded. Offenders against clergy were burnt. Thomas Moore was one of the kindest and miost devout of English Christians, very humane. He went about burning 'heretics' out of his compassion and kindness, so their souls may be saved! What we think Paul's verses meant doesn't matter now. It mattered then. Here is the whole thing. Remember the Latin version and the KJV were in use then and there were no euphemistic versions then as now:[/quote]Hmm. . . Its really sad those guys used that verse as an excuse for their horrifying acts. Something tells me if that verse didn't exist, they'dv found something else to use as an excuse. Oh, well

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=478028.msg6385436#msg6385436 date=1279124595]and that they used verses in the bible to destroy other people. Not out of wickedness, but out of sincere belief they were doing good, saving the victims' souls. One person recently said that to [color=#990000]'hand over the person to Satan for the destruction of the flesh' simply meant to destroy the sinful human nature.[/quote]Mad_Max,

I believe the verse you're referring to is 1 Corinthians 5:5 -

5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

I know a lot of folks (like you) believe Paul, in this verse, was giving the instruction for the fellow in question to be killed, and that "his spirit may be saved on the last day".

To be honest, it does appear that way at first glance. But upon closer examination, we find its not so. I'm going to try to debunk that idea first by making a point which is very easy to miss when one concentrates on that one verse and doesn't we step back and look at the big picture. Then I'm going to paste something from Albert Barnes which IMHO, wonderfully straightens this out for all.

1. The person Paul was referring to was the guy who was sleeping with his father's wife and disgracing the church. 1 Corinthians was the first of the two letters we have that Paul wrote to them.

By the time the 2nd letter was written, the fellow was not only alive but had repented! So Paul asks that he be forgiven and received again here:

6 For such a one this punishment by the majority is enough;

7 so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.

8 So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him.

- 2 Corinthians 2:6-8

My point - whatever the punishment Paul was talking about when he wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:5 was not one that would lead to the fellow's death as he obviously "survived" it, and was to be accepted back into the fold after he repented.  

2. Albert Barnes on 1 Corinthians 5:5

Verse 5.  To deliver. This is the sentence which is to be executed. You are to deliver him to Satan, etc.

Unto Satan. Beza, and the Latin Fathers, suppose that this is only an expression of excommunication. They say, that in the Scriptures there are but two kingdoms recognised--the kingdom of God, or the church, and the kingdom of the world, which is regarded as under the control of Satan; and that to exclude a man from one, is to subject him to the dominion of the other. There is some foundation for this opinion; and there can be no doubt that excommunication is here intended; and that, by excommunication, the offender was in some sense placed under the control of Satan. It is further evident, that it is here supposed that by being thus placed under him the offender would be subject to corporal inflictions by the agency of Satan, which are here called the "destruction of the flesh."

Satan is elsewhere referred to as the author of bodily diseases. Thus in the case of Job, Job 2:7. A similar instance is mentioned in 1Ti 1:20, where Paul says he had delivered Hymeneus and Alexander "to Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." It may be observed here, that though this was to be done by the concurrence of the church, as having a right to administer discipline, yet it was directed by apostolic authority; and there is no evidence that this was the usual form of excommunication, nor ought it now to be used. There was evidently miraculous power evinced in this case, and that power has long since ceased in the church.

 For "the destruction of the flesh". We may observe here,

(1.) that this does not mean that the man was to die under the infliction of the censure, for the object was to recover him; and it is evident that, whatever he suffered as the consequence of this, he survived it, and Paul again instructed the Corinthians to admit him to their fellowship, 2Co 2:7.

(2.) It was designed to punish him for licentiousness of life---often called in the Scriptures one of the sins or works of the flesh, Ga 5:19 and the design was, that the punishment should follow in the line of the offence, or be a just retribution, as punishment often does. Many have supposed that, by the "destruction of the flesh," Paul meant only the destruction of his fleshly appetites or carnal affections; and that he supposed that this would be effected by the act of excommunication. But it is very evident from the Scriptures that the apostles were imbued with the power of inflicting diseases or bodily calamities for crimes. See Ac 13:11; 1Co 11:30.

What this bodily malady was, we have no means of knowing. It is evident that it was not of very long duration, since when the apostle exhorts them 2Co 2:7 again to receive him, there is no mention made of his suffering then under it. This was an extraordinary and miraculous power. It was designed for the government of the church in its infancy, when everything was fitted to show the direct agency of God; and it ceased, doubtless, with the apostles. The church now has no such power. It cannot now work miracles; and all its discipline now is to be moral discipline, designed not to inflict bodily pain and penalties, but to work a moral reformation in the offender.

That the spirit may be saved. That his soul might be saved; that he might be corrected, humbled, and reformed by these sufferings, and recalled to the paths of piety and virtue. This expresses the true design of the discipline of the church; and it ought never to be inflicted but with a direct intention to benefit the offender, and to save the soul. Even when he is cut off and disowned, the design should not be vengeance, or punishment merely, but it should be to recover him and save him from ruin.

In the day of the Lord Jesus. The day of judgment, when the Lord Jesus shall come, and shall collect his people to himself.


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Just my two cents