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fyneguy:
^^^^^^ Nonsensical Epistle

"Nonsensical", eh?? You guys just keep giving yourselves away as being incapable of recognizing truth even when spelt out to you in the most simple terms. Just continue your man-worship. Time will tell.

@alethia,nuclearboy,sirjohn et al

You guys are doing a great job. I can't help trying to imagine what it'll be like if these NL Oyaksian goons had half this kind of zeal for Christ himself

aletheia,

God bless you for beating me to it!

And bless you some more for doing a much better job than I would've

This secret rapture thing is one widespread lie thats been told so many times, almost everyone now believes it without bothering to check the scriptures.

I think its very important Christians know whats up ahead and prepare for it. We (the church) will be here and go through the great tribulation that'll precede Jesus' return. [True] Christians will once again have to endure one final wave of persecution.

Sad I don't have much time to discuss this topic further today.

nuclearboy:
^^^

I think its worth it you, Enigma and Petres_James-Bond clarify the issue here openly.

A few contacts I've had with NLers and some emails I received give me to understand that more people actually take you guys more serious than you'll want to believe. It has made me afraid to think I may have effect on a person's understanding of God's Designs.

Conversely, some self-believed NL "HEAVY WEIGHTS" seemingly have "-negative IQs" to the understanding of many readers.

Please, let the light shine!

Bros nuclearbomb nuclearboy!

This one you're always yabbing me abt my ID, enh?? Is it a crime to be a 007?
Abi you're a little jealous?


I've had no time to spend on NL lately & really missed reading from all you guys o.

nuclearboy:
And this is the beauty of God - He uses such as kunle who the MOGs probably thought is nothing to free people from the bondage they imposed on them. Insults, threats and even violence will not stop truth no matter what they think. Not in Jesus day and NOT today!

The gates of hell will not prevail

Amen!

@yomoyyuk,

Very nice post indeed! I just wish our christian friends would pay more attention to what the bible says about these issues.

@nuclearboy & @eyzhvntsn,

Reading your posts has really made my day. 

I just pray God stretches out his hands to deliver more people from the unbelievable combination of man/mammon/self worship currently going on in the name of the Lord.

lagerwhenindoubt:
I wonder why you even waste your braincells listening to False Preachers of teh endtimes, Jesus died so you could access heaven and God Directly and by reading the Bible not taking psychic cosmic blasts from the fingertips of some Juju-fied pastor

Joagbaje:
Are you aware that Paul actually died and came back?

Acts 14:19-20
    And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, [size=14pt]supposing he had been dead[/size]. [20] Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city:

The Greek word for "rose" Anistemi; means rising from the ground and rising from the  dead.

@JoeAgbaje,

I really don't get how you fellows read.

Did you not read there that it was the fellows who attacked Paul that thought he was dead??

How does that translate into Paul being dead and later rising from the dead??

Where does it say that was what happened??

Why do you keep on forcing your silly ideas into the scriptures?

How do you feel comfortable doing that?? 

Nice joke! I'm sure the pastor was already on gear 5 before the farmer could start his engine!   

KunleOshob:
^^^
I don't know why you guys are bothering to reply joagbaje, isn't it obvious he, oyaks and all the deluded lost souls in CEC plc desperately need help? Isn't it glàring that what they preach is another "gospel" contrary to apostolic teachings? Didn't the apostles warn us of such charlatans?

Its obvious. My problem with them is that they continue to label it "Christianity"

Zikkyy:
I thought the act of tithing was supposed to have taken care of the bit (highlighted above) or are you saying tithe is a charitable contribution.

MOG2009:
However, If Pastor Chris, G.O and Oyedapo like prayed till tomorrow. This would change anything.

MOG2009,

pastor JoeAgbaje said nothing about dem praying o. He said its simply a matter of choice!  

So he and the other MOGs dem don't need to pray, they just need to choose to stay alive for as long as they want to!  

nuclearboy:
FANTASTIC! Peter did not believe. Paul did not believe. James (aka baby-teeth) did not believe. In effect, none of those who walked with Jesus and died for His Gospel believed.

These goons don't even stop for a minute to consider the consequences of the rubbish they teach. Oyaks already said in one of his TV sermons that James didn't know "how the Kingdom functioned", and that's why he got killed by Herod.

nuclearboy:
ONLY Joagbaje and Chris Oyaks "believe". All hail the perfect believers.

Abi o, all hail the perfect superhuman believers!

Joagbaje:
@MOG2009

[b]The point is , Death is a choice.

Utter hogwash! Death is no choice. And no where does the bible say it is.

You people can delude yourselves all you want. Every one (except the "lucky" ones who'll be alive the return of Christ) will die.

Secondly, if you highly enlightened MOGs like the ones folks like you worship can choose when to die, then MOGs like "papa" Hagin and "papa" Idahosa would still be alive today. As it happened, none of them were ready for it when it came knocking.

Superhuman people for mouth! 

Joagbaje:
[/b]Pastor Chris is not planning on death.

I can assure you he never will. Not with the super pyramid scheme he has in place.

Joagbaje:
neigher Im i planning to die.

You know you don't have to. When the time is right, death will come for you both. As it has everyone who has ever walked this planet.

Joagbaje:
If you believe in the message , You will reign over death.

What message are you referring to, sir? Its definitely not the gospel of Jesus Christ as presented in the bible.

Joagbaje:
Death is an enemy of God. The generation that believe this truth is the generation that will see the rapture.

And how & when exactly does the bible say this enemy of God will be dealt with?

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
(KJV)

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Until then, good sir, you pastor chris and all other MOGs who have their heads in the clouds regarding death had better put your houses in order. It'll come when the time is right.

Joagbaje:
The generation that believe this truth is the generation that will see the rapture.

Please provide book chapter and verse for this. Thanx.

Image123:
What's the big deal you're fuming about here?

@Image123

Hmm. . . that you read about an MOG miraculously twisting a verse about love to preach prosperity, worldy success & victory and you "see no big deal" for me to fume about? Tells a lot about you.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.  – 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

This Sunday morning I awoke to the loud sound of a sermon by David Oyedepo coming from my neighbour’s house (beside ours). I heard him commit a spectacular “despoil of scripture” during the sermon and felt the urge to share this as a good example of how these men wrongly divide the word of truth and use it to teach destructive delusions as Christian doctrine.

I also want to reach out one more time to those out there who claim to be Christians but have given themselves over to the very unchristian habit of swallowing everything they’re taught hook line and sinker, with no efforts at all to check it up against God’s rightly divided word of Truth. There really is no excuse for your unchristian behavior. Whether because its coming from your MOG and you trust him and believe he cannot be wrong or lie to you, or because you’re too lazy to act like the Bereans in Acts 17 or the Ephesians in Revelation 2 whom Jesus commended for their diligence. Or maybe because they consistently tell you what your itching ears want to hear. Whatever your reason for being complacent, you urgently need to repent, take out your bible and study.

Now back to the sermon by the Bishop. As usual, his entire message was to say the least, very questionable in light of scripture and he did say a bunch of other funny stuff (as he always does) which I’ll overlook but here’s the part that got me fuming so early this morning.

Bishop Oyedepo speaking:

Very importantly this morning he said “come and see my zeal for the Lord”.

As we open this next veil, which is part 3 of “Unveiling the win-win covenant secret of life” – The ever winning covenant secret of life. 1st Corinthians 13 and verse 8 said “charity never faileth”. [I’ll] Like you to underline the word “never”. That means it is failure proof. It guarantees victory. It guarantees success. It guarantees prosperity. It guarantees peace and tranquility. It guarantees the endless flow of signs and wonders. Charity or Love never faileth. It will always deliver. It will always deliver. You can count on the efficacy of this virtue. Any day, anytime and anywhere. The love of God. Charity never faileth.

Just so our resident NL WolF love-vendor @JoeAgbaje doesn’t come here and say that that was not what he said or that I didn’t hear him well, I immediately sent my brother to go to our neighbour and ask him for the disc so I could get the title and hear it again, just to be sure I’d not “misheard” him. The title of the video is COME AND SEE MY ZEAL FOR THE LORD: Unveiling The Win-Win Covenant Secret Of Life Part 2.

When I heard him make that statement this morning I couldn’t help recalling another one he made in one of his books (I think the title’s something like “Exploits in Ministry”) in which he said that it was Jesus himself who first called God’s work a “business” (based on Luke 2:49) so they (current ministers) were not doing anything wrong by regarding and running churches as such. After reading that comment in the book some years ago, one of my pastors concluded that Oyedepo must be one of the most biblically illiterate preachers around. After hearing him spew out that crap about Love being a sure-fire tool for success & prosperity, I think I agree with my pastor on this.

Now let’s get this straightened out. In this part of Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, he talks to them about gifts of the Spirit but then goes on to explain the “supremacy” and “permanence” of Love compared to the gifts of the Spirit in chapter 13, which I guess the Corinthians were having issues with at the time so he had to address it.

Below is the entire passage in 1 Corinthians 13 (up to verse 10). Please try to read it calmly from verse one all the way down to the end of the chapter if you can. I cut it down to verse 10 to save space.

1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful;

5 it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;

6 it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.

7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

9 For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect;

10 but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.

- 1 Corinthians 13:8 (RSV)


Just in case you still don’t get it, here’s that verse again:

…as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.


Paul was simply saying here that there will be a time when prophecies, tongues and knowledge will cease but Love will never end. Love will always be.

Here’s how the NLT puts it:

Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!

At first I thought it was just that the Bishop misunderstood the KJV rendition of that verse but then I looked it up and sure enough, the verse, even in the KJV, clearly portrays what Paul was talking about and leaves no room for any such excuse or justification for the idea that love brings or guarantees prosperity and success:

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. (KJV)

Again, the context of that verse alone (not to mention the entire passage), even in the KJV translation is clear about what Paul meant. And there’s nothing there that even remotely suggests we can somehow use love for our own selfish gains like he so boldly asserted.

This has me wondering whether these fellows are reading the bible backwards. 


My Plea

I’d like to plead with BEG everyone who claims to be Christian to begin to pay more attention to the things being taught as the Gospel in our churches today, regardless of who’s doing the teaching. Not even what you’ve read in this article should be taken without carefully checking out the scriptures on this issue. Dust your bibles and make out time to read it study it and do so properly and objectively. If not, you’ll continue to take in falsehood dressed up as truth and will be in danger of having run for nothing, if you ever were in the race at all.

No, the gospel is not about worldly success. No, Christianity has nothing to do with earthly riches and prosperity. The bible tells us not worry about even our earthly, genuine needs (Luke 12: 27-31). These men teach us to earnestly desire worldly success, riches and comfort – they call it being “blessed”. The bible tells us to be content with such as we have (1 Timothy 6:5-11), these men tell us to lust for more and go out of their way to twist every verse in the bible to teach this poison - even a verse on love.

My pastor once told us about another very popular minister who in some of his teachings aired on TV (I think it was a series), systematically used every single one of Jesus’ parables in the gospels to teach about money, in church. To supposed Christians.

And I ask, how long will this continue? When will we start to ask the right questions? At what point will we stop and think? When do we get to study our bibles, for ourselves? When will we get to learn what Christianity really is about, for ourselves? When will we get to know this Jesus, for ourselves? When?

3 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

- 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NLT)

nuclearboy:
Petres:

You are looking for trouble O! Have you forgotten "Touch not my anointed etc".

Touch not my anointed ko, touch not my anointed ni  

nuclearboy:
And today's revelation knowledge is greater than what Jesus knew  

This is really sad. A brother in church was gisting us last sunday that he was discussing with a friend about these issues and after showing enough scriptures to show that Oyaks' theology is full of unbiblical & damnable crap, the fellow just shook his head and said he'd rather stick with Oyaks, even if he's lying!  

Another brother in church once gisted me while we were in a bus about a similar scenario but the response was slightly different this time. The person this time said Oyaks has fresh revelations that the apostles didnt have.  .  . that their time was 200 years ago and revelation has "progressed".  

nuclearboy:
There's a way out and the MOGs know it - they'll sin so much God will be so angry that He'll throw them past hell in anger. SOLVED!

No wonder dem dey so confident  

MOG2009:
Hoops! my bad.   


U no go die? Even Jesus self die before he resurrect.

My guy, you didn't get me,

what I meant was that how can they die, after building all these super business empires here on earth?? Say wetin happun??

You know, the more I look at these men, the more convinced I am that they know something Jesus & the apostles didn't. In the light of these men dem their theology, can you imagine what the small boy Jesus said in Matthew 6: 19-21 (MNT)

19 "Store up for yourselves no treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal;

20 "but store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consume, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

21 "For wherever your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Die?? Die ke??

@Poster,

Why you dey talk like dis na?

E be like say you know understand. . .

This poster is really angry o creative o!

Gunnaz007:
U guys in d adventist call urselfs "Jews"; hehehehe "Fake" Jews indeed!!!

They call themselves jews?

awww. . . I've really learnt a lot in this thread.

MyJoe:
I would be more circumspect about blaming the victim, JeSoul. What we have here is a sighted man extending a hand to a blind man and then using his vantage position to to lead that one into a lion's pit.
There are people who are incapable of reading the Bible.
Well, not everyone is capable of quiet introspection, either.

I understand your sentiments about people with herd mentality, but I think you need to reflect more on the nature of religion itself, the manner in which religious tenets are received, and the human mind. The human mind I am not smart enough to comprehend satisfactorily, but something is known of the first two. Religion is something you follow dogmatically – you don’t question it. That is the nature of religion. When people accept a system of worship, that is, a religion, they trust their lives to God and his “appointed servant”. This automatically creates a relationship based on trust between the “appointed servant” and the follower. This is why even the most intelligent people and people with Ph.D. fall for religious scam. The follower trusts the appointed servant relay the message from God correctly. If the “appointed servant” takes advantage of this position to deceive, I believe he should be held accountable for it.

The perpetrators of religious fraud are a determined lot. They know what they want and how to go about it. Folks stand no chance! Not only are they schooled in the art of deception, but they have access to the means of spreading their poisonous message. Let’s look at some of their methods. They take over the media and spurn stories of how people pay tithe and reap billions. Now, if they stop there you can blame your average Christian for lusting after lucre and thereby falling for the tithing scam. But they don’t! They go on to reel out stories of people who did not pay and had their warehouses razed by fire, came down with mysterious diseases, had their children expelled from school and generally declined. [/i]In other words, God gets positively angry and punishes you if you don’t pay your tithe.

It’s not about not reading their Bibles. I have been there. You read one verse, then listen to copious amounts of tape or read volumes written by the “servant” on that verse. He tells you what it says and gives you stories to back up his explanation. When verses contravening the doctrine are seen, they are glossed over.  Most people who attend tithing churches pay tithes. I had a Catholic friend who tithes regularly, having swallowed the message from the tithing wing of Christendom.

A potential recruit, you hear the message and realise your life has been full of problems all along and you wonder if it is because you have not found the secret which is now being revealed. You “give your life” and start paying tithe! Here is Justice Oyewole in his verdict on the infamous Rev King: [i]“The Nigerian society is already bogged down with myriads of problems ranging from poverty to corruption which has rendered many of its vulnerable elements susceptible to the wares of religious highway men such as the accused person here, who offered them stone for bread and scorpion when they demand for fish.”

The only person that is safe from the salesman of tainted spiritual goods is he that does not buy. Once you buy there is usually no room for selective consumption. The question of why people buy, I think, cannot be satisfactorily answered by anyone. What brings a man to accept a faith appears to be like what brings a man and a woman to together, keeps them together and tears them apart – it is unknown.

Religious deceivers will bear a heavy judgement.

As surely as God lives, they will. . . One day.

Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, To give to each man what his actions merit. - Rev 22:12 (MNT)

ogajim:
I can only say back to school for those who can't see the obvious symbols from the images posted by nuclearboy and others before him.

There are folks who will tell you there is nothing to worry about the denver airport symbols and stuff but one has to KNOW that these things don't happen by accident, these are DELIBERATE and serve (or will serve a purpose).

As Christians, we should be very careful and watchful for the things we think are there to "glorify" him actually does the opposite, trust no one but God only.

## Don't get me wrong, I don't know anything about Oyedipo's church but I have seen a "few" stuff about his 'mentor' KC and we are often judged by the company we keep if I must add.

I assume dats Kenneth Copeland you're referring to?

That guy is a real life example of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

@biomes,

If you won't discuss your adventist beliefs here, I encourage you to do a little more research on your own as to why the adventist position is wrong and its grand prophetess (Ellen G. White) who claimed divine authority for her revelations and writings, is also wrong and points herself out to be a false prophetess.

Take your time and g through this site - http://www.exadventist.com/

This page offers a summary of Ellen G. White's "ministry" compared to the scriptures - http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Prophet/tabid/55/Default.aspx

This page offers good explanation on why the sabbath craze is unchristian and unnecessary - http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Sabbath/tabid/53/Default.aspx

Again.  .  .  take your time 

@ttalks,

bros mi, abeg try find those articles or sites and lemme know. Sounds interesting

and by the way, where did biomes go?

biomes2001:
Sunday worship represents the mark of the Beast which Lucifer instituted through the Vatican,whereas the Sabbath is the seal of God which HE instituted from the origin of creation.These 2 days will form the borne of contention for those who are seeking God in the last days;and will seperate the chaff christians from the wheat christians[b],

ORIGIN OF SABBATH IN THE BIBLE[/b]

"And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done"(GEN.2:3)
See also EX.20:8-11,i.e the the Law of God or 10commandments

ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP

"He[i](the beast)[/i] will speak against the MOST HIGH and oppress His saints and try to change the set times[i](for worship,e.g.Sabbath,and feasts,e.g,passover,etc.)[/i] and the laws (i.e,the 10 commandments,e.g,change of the 4th to sunday worship). The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time". (DAN.7[i]:25).

Decided this day wether u'll obey God's commandments or u'll follow the traditions of the catholic church also taught by false prophets like Benny Hinn,Kenneth Copeland,Oyakhilome,Oyedepo,etc[/i]

biomes2001,

I see you're 7th day adventist, E.G.White

I would've loved to discuss this issue with you if you're open to discussion on the subject. Of course, you have to defend your position from the scriptures. and by that, I don't mean just quoting scriptures at me. . .

what say you?

ttalks:
Err. . . . I know the point being pushed by the topic is not really true.
It's the belief held by seventh day adventists and some other people.
I've read a lot on these postulations and they seem to make sense sometimes but there are
other equally sense making views about the "mark of the beast" and the anti-christ stuff that
are completely opposite from the point pushed by the adventists.


The book of Revelations has a lot to say and it is usually the basis of most of these arguments.
One of the paramount claims made by a lot of people based on chapters like Revelations 17 is that
the pope is the antichrist and that the LovePeddler in question is the Roman Catholic Church.

I was inclined to believe this before, but further study has led me to believe that the LovePeddler in Revelations 17 isn't the catholic
church, but the whole of Christendom(that is, the majority that has and still will go into error).

My big bros! Nice having you around.

Nice observation you have there. But I still hold the RCC suspect as the great LovePeddler. . . especially in light of Daniel's prophecies, not just revelation

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=458501.msg6168797#msg6168797 date=1275922961]what we need is not blocking the road through the creation of an atmosphere of insecurity but the police should engage more in mobile patrol and neighbourhood watch which will involve identifying black spots and people engaging in crime.
[/quote]Nice suggestion there.

Ujujoan:
Na wa oh!

Cheating is now a normal thing?

I think say na only me dey think am o

@topic,

Yes, infidelity is enough to end a relationship. If it isn't, then what is?

naijaking1:
If police check-points are such effective means of crime prevention, why do we have them mostly in the south? I travelled from Abuja to Enugu last December, and the way to learn that you're now in the south was the presence of multiple police check-points. Can anybody please explain why there is effective policing in the north, without the notoriuos, corrupt, and ineffective check-points; but in the south, especially Igboland, we have multiple check-points on very "lucrative" roads?

You don talk am by yasef

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=458501.msg6167806#msg6167806 date=1275913370]the most annoying part of the issue is that they wont intervene whenever there is robbey incident instead,they take cover in the bush.[/quote]wetin you want make dem do na??

lagerwhenindoubt:
o yea men of no faith. there is power in the Oil as there is power in the handkerchief and power in the blood and power in the water.

Have you not heard how Daddy GO defied the laws of NUPENG by driving without fuel in his tank for miles

it is the lawd's doing and it is marvellous in our eyez

akinjosh:
the international friendly between nigeria and north korea in south africahas come to an end with Obafemi Martins scoring the winning goal. Is this a good impression for what we expect to see when the world cup starts?

Personally i don't think so. I know it was a friendly match o. .  . but I still didn't see anything spectacular in their play especially their attack & defense.

Once again they "lost concentration" for a moment after they got the second goal and conceded an embarrassingly cheeky goal. If they keep that up, I fear we'll concede up to 200 goals against Argentina,

CHARLOE:
Should mog's/churches be sellling items/materials (oil, handkerchiefs etc) with promise of miracles if used?

The simple answer to that from a biblical standpoint is NO!

CHARLOE:
Are there instances where the 'power' in these items caused miracles?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were. But the occurrence or presence of "miracles" and such supernatural phenomena does not mean its a true/proper doctrine or christian practice. remember Jesus' warning about not knowing some fellows who worked miracles in his name.

CHARLOE:
Did Jesus or His disciples sell such items?

Thats an obvious & outright NO!

But then, these men aren't following in the steps of Jesus and the apostles, are they?