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nuclearboy:
@GanjaSeed:

Bro, you sure what you're saying? Jesus was "forced" to compassion because they anointed him with an expensive perfume?

Okay, so here's what you're saying that pastor said: - The Lord of Glory OF HIS OWN VIOLITION left Heaven and ALL His Glory etc, became a baby in a poor woman engaged to a poor carpenter, grew up in a poor household in a situation where His people were treated more or less as slaves and second class citizens in their own land, was a person "despised", "not wanted" or of "any becoming attributes" to His own creation and lived like this for at least 30 years. Then one day, He was going out and someone decided to spray perfume on Him. This bribe "made" Him lose control and decide to "claim" and break the bands of death on a member of that family to show thanksgiving for "smelling good".

The Jesus Christ I believe in "became" excited because of perfume? Me too needs to go buy some bloody expensive perfume. I don't even mind getting a cls550 (I'm sure that "kind of" Jesus will give me 10 Billion dollars in return). Basically then, that CE pastor turned Jesus into a motor park tout that you give 50 bucks and who would beat up anyone in your way.

I refuse to believe it. Here's hoping Joagbaje (being nearest CE pastor available) will come denounce that pastor as not being affiliated to CE.

Waiting,  waiting,  waiting!

I think Ganjaseed has mentioned this before but its still very sad to read it again.

@Ganjaseed,

I won;t be surprised if Joeagbaje shows up here and tells you that was not what the pastor said, that you "misheard" him

samorijack:
The Word of faith movement has very suspect and incorrect theology. It features pseudo christian values and concepts and is composed of a lethal mix of erroneous teachings and misplaced enthusiasm.

So on point!

aletheia:
"Mere coincidence?" Pastor Joagbaje, you need to choose your words more carefully or did you actually mean what you posted above?

Pentecost

The word derives from the Greek for "the 50th day." It was the Jewish Feast of Weeks (Exod 34:22; Deut 16:9-11),  variously called the Feast of Harvest (Exod 23:16) or the Day of Firstfruits (Num 28:26), which fell on the 50th day after the Feast of the Passover.
Leviticus 23 describes the sacred nature of the holiday and lists the appropriate sacrifices. The events of Acts 2 transformed the Jewish festival into a Christian one.
A study of the old testament feasts ordained by God will show you that they foreshadowed the Messiah.

"Mere coincidence?" Not at all.

I agee with the emboldened part above ^^^

To add to the above, methinks God picked that day deliberately as folks from all over the place were going to be there, hear about the Gospel & take it back with them. 

Acts 2 -

5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven,

6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.

7 And they were amazed and wondered, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?

8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,

10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God."

Jenwitemi:
I've heard this arguement being made by cristians in some of these endless debates about creation that scientists can't create out of nothing when they do their genetic manipulation voodoos. And i thought to myself, "well, the bible god cannot, either".

According to genesis, the creation of adam and eve did not come out of nothing. Adam was formed out of the EARTH (a big SOMETHING), and Eve was formed out of Adam's RIB (another SOMETHING).

In a nutshell, not even God(the jewish version, anyway) can create something out of nothing. The implication of that being that the bible god was an ancient genetic engineer just like the ones we have today.

I just thought that i should let that one out of the bag.

Bros this your logic is terribly skewed o!  

You can start by answering olaadegbu's question

OLAADEGBU:
And who created the "earth" from which Adam was formed?

As usual, a scholarly response from viaro.  

viaro:
It's nice to think to yourself; but your logic is flawed. Think carefully about the following -

(a) Creation out of nothing is what is peculiarly known as 'creatio ex nihilo'.

(b) Creation out of nothing is different from 'creation out of something' - the latter is commonly known as 'creatio ex materia', and that is the case applied to Adam having been created from the dust of the earth.

(c) Both ^^ creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia are found in the Bible.

(d) However, the scientists who worked on such cases as the Craig Venter synthetic life could not be said to have done the same thing as (a) above ['creatio ex nihilo' - out of nothing] - no; for we know they took from already existing lifeforms and only changed them into another lifeform.

the man with the large back seems to also have a large mouth o!

Anyway, I wish eagles/naija all the best sha

toba:
Dnt let me fight with u. Who is mourinho compared to ottmar hitfeld?

Hmmm. . . The guy's a very good coach and highly decorated too.

I guess I just like the way Mourinho is able to work with any team and get tangible results.

ajelerojnr:
Nigeria President Goodluck Jonathan has demanded the 'Super Eagles' return from the World Cup in South Africa this July with the biggest prize in international football.

What do u av to say to this great task by Mr. President

What a dreamer!

Instead make him beg dem not to collect last.

toba:
Mouriho isnt special anythng. Becos uefa did ojoro to live ribery out. I will accept in good fate. But its painful

Abeg! I beg to disagree!

Deep Sight:
If there is nothing after death, then each indivudual existence ends in nothingness, thus = zero (0).

If all things = zero as an end result, the pre-death equation accordingly sums up to zero.

Within a zero equation, there cannot exist anything - not to speak of a concept of good and evil.

No degree of violence or evil will be significant, since everything will culminate in zero.

Meaningfulness must thus inherently avoid the zero factor.

Conclusively, if death leads to nothingness, or zero, morality is moot, exaggerated, purposeless and irrelevant.

This does not mean I do not appreciate goodness for goodness sake and nothing else; I am rather trying to show that a death that results in a state of nothingness is inconceivable.

Hmmm. . .

Kay 17:
What is the effect of sin to God? Why the irritation and disgust? Does it threaten His existence or against his Supreme Will? Can a sphere of human activity be of grave concern to the Almighty One?

To threaten God's existence, disrobes him of the title Almighty and the array of omnis. It reduces God to the level of humans and the other creations sharing the equal frailties of life

Then is sin against the Will of God. Since creation is the work of God's creative hands, can anything exist without God's power? if not all creation exist by God and in accordance to his Will. Whence cometh sin?

Why do I have the feeling that you're not really after the answers?. . . just another oppotunity to display your skepticism & defiance

Joagbaje:
I just released the word  and it will dissappear.

Really? 

Joagbaje:
But now its a new ball game. with the teachings of pastor Chris,

"with the teachings of pastor Chris" abi? Its not difficult to see where you guys' allegiance really lies. 

Joagbaje:
.  .  . a higher level where i dont need healing again. Ive learnt to walk in divine health.

So said your "papa" Hagin and others like him.  .  .  till he finally gave in after a prolonged struggle with heart problems 

very funny pics indeed!

ashmanpolo:
Yo mama too short, if she snap passport her legs dey show

olapo:
yo mama is too dumb dat she sits on the tv and watches the sofa

laff wan kill me!!!!!!

[quote author=rich_john link=topic=446173.msg6053111#msg6053111 date=1274166149]@Zodiac
You no go kill person for here! [/quote]Leave am. . . him get luck say NL no get police

REAL TRUTH:
MUMU like you,,so its the number of vehicles that determines that God has come down to your place of worship? Very soon you would start worshipping a corpse because you lack the ability to reason.
Have you in a anyway ask yourself how those with the vehicles bought the vehicles?? Were the vehicles bought with the usual theft,fraud and corruption destroying Nigeria? Your major attraction to God now is the ability for you to have a vehicle at whatever cost,,,exactly what Penterascalism has done to the Nigeria Christian,,,,Arrant rubbish and nonesense,,,

Well said!

Zodiac61:
What kind of a question is this?
Of course a pastor needs private jets (not jet).
How else would he be able to show that his god is a great and wonderful god.
They fail in the miracle department, they fail in the prayer department, they fail in the spiritual healing department.
The only successes our pastors have is in the money making department.
10% of other people's money is a lot of money. And it has to be used to show how the Lawd has been merciful to his own.
It does not matter that there are scheduled flights to wherever he needs wants to go, arriving in a private jet is infinitely better.

noetic16:
has any one noticed a similarity between chakula and abuzola?

I've been suspecting it too o, there's definitely some similarities but naaaaaa. . . chakula doesn;t come that close. Abuzola's asininity was legendary! Kai! I remember I used to look forward to his posts.

alexleo:
For long we have witnessed a long argument between those of us who are serving God and those who claim that there is NO God. Now lets simplify this matter now and settle it once and for all. I hereby challenge all those atheists and satanist who say that there is no God to do just this one thing if they are 100 percent sure of their stand.
If you are sure that your stand is right then say this- GOD IF YOU EXIST AS THE CHRISTIANS WANT US TO BELIEVE , THEN LET ME BE BLIND FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS FROM NOW. Make sure you write it here so that all of us can see that you actually said it.

I pray God to respond to you immediately so that you may know that he truly exist. That you may know that the earth is the Lords' and its fulness thereof. That you may know that he reigns all over the earth and that he so love the world that he gave his only beggotten son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life and that you will turn to him and worship and serve him in spirit and in truth. That you may also spread the testimony of his supreme existance here and yonder In Jesus name I pray. AMEN. He is the God of the whole universe, without him was not anything made that was made. He is our creator. He is my life and my salvation. I love God. May God give you this experience that you may serve him and make heaven at last, in Jesus name I pray.

pls note, this is not a joke. lets settle this matter once and for all. All the glory goes to no other person than the Holy Trinity now and forever more. AMEN.
The floor is now open for those of you who are sure in their believe that God does not exist to respond accordingly. Failure to do so will only mean that you truly know that God exists but you dont want to acknowledge it. DECEIVING YOUR OWN SELVES.

Poster, what's all this??

I didn't know that these our pastor dem are also anointed for acrobatic/athletic exploits too oh!

Dauchman:
Chakula, if you read the bible the way you do, then you would not even believe that God is supreme by the time you are done. You have to realize the fact that the bible has been translated time and time again and has lost most of its true meaning, so unless you get the original manuscripts you would be lost. In NKJV, if i remember correctly in the book of Judges it says in a particular verse, that God possessed the people of Israel during a battle but they couldn't defeat their enemies because they rode in chariots of Gold. We are also told in the new testament that God does not repent but in the OT God repented for making Saul the King of Israel in the same bible version. There are more errors like this all over. This is due to translation. I am sure you know that even in your own language it is not easy translating to English. So you need to put aside this false theology of yours. If Jesus wasn't God, i am very sure he would have let us know from the very beginning. Food for thought: Why would the Jews have wanted so bad to kill a fellow Jew if he wasn't saying something they thought was blasphemous? You need to have done some very serious research to really understand what you are talking about.

Just what I was trying to tell him to do. The very thing Jesus was "indicted" over was because of his claim to divinity. SO please stop raising dust and go study, enh, @chakula.

Image123:
I'm wondering why anyone who give tithe must either be seen as a pastor collecting tithes helplessly for a living or a self-righteous person. I'm wondering why majority of 'anti-tithers' do not belong to any church and yet still find it excruciating that church members give tithe.anyways
It'll do some good if we revisited this Abraham tithing narration. Remember, Bible students against tithing say tithing is of the law but we say Abraham gave tithes before the law. The second major arguement against tithes is that tithing must be agricultural produce, but we say Abraham gave tithes above agricultural produce. Now we're hearing Abraham gave tenth, not tithe and it's not Abraham's personal property. So whose property was it?

How did you arrive at that conclusion??

chakula:
bros what type of study you wanted me to do?

I meant, a little hermeneutics wouldn't hurt. Bring out all the scriptures - the ones that seem to portray Jesus as a man, and the others that seem to portray him as God. Carefully compare them along with other related scriptures like the ones where Jesus said things about himself, what others thought of him (esp. the apostles & disciples). That way you'll come up with conclusions much closer to the truth instead of picking only the scriptures you want.

chakula:
The Bible says that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus
was limited in what he could do.
Matt. 9:8 “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified
God, who had given such authority to men.”
Acts 2:22 “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst.”
Acts 10:38 “…he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed
by the devil, for God was with Him.”
[b]If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles
himself without making reference to God. [/b]The fact that it was God supplying
the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles. One time when Jesus tried
to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and
Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26). Once a woman was healed
of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched
his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who
touched him:
Mark 5:30 “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He
turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’”
4
Mark 6:5 “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a
few sick people and heal them.”
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power
of miracles was not within Jesus.

@Chakula,

The problem is that folks like you either don;t want to do a proper study of the bible and wiegh in all the related portions before arriving at your conclusions. Try it. It doesn't hurt. . . very much

You guys have any idea why that thread by Nuclearboy was locked/deleted?? I mean the one he title smth like "Tithing Exposed - Tonye-t/Joagbaje/Olaadegbu come rebute this".

I just tried to check it now for any new comments but is now off limits. What happened?

KunleOshob:
Obasanjo never used used the term "credible elections" what he said was "undisputed election" which means two totally different things. He was not in anyway way denigrating Jesus, rather what he was trying to say is that politicians would always dispute elections no matter how credible it is.

Seconded.

chakula:
If God is the Father of Jesus and also God is the Father lights and mercy. In Israelite religion and Judaism, Yahweh is called Father because of he is the creator, lawgiver and protector. Is God then not my Father? Why is only only the father of some one who walked on the earth, mothered, drink, eat, sleep and had friends and enemies? What is the gene pattern of God in light and mercy?

@chakula,

its time to take your medication

Deep Sight:
O dear, these people want to block the road and cause traffic again ? ? ?

Funny thing is that they see it as a sign of prosperity/being blessed etc. . . and that folks like you are just jealous

@OP,

that's a capital NO

Nice cartoons Jesoul. Though my heart skipped a beat after watching that video you posted. FOund out later it was actually a joke. . . Nice one there

[sighs deeply]

I'm beginning to get really tired of following this thread . . . no thanks to olaadegu & tonye-t's embarrasing comments

alethiea, nuclearboy, ttalks, zikky, ogajim et al. . . una get power o!

Ah! na nairaland o!

I basically just log in to Facebook to see wats up, check notifications etc. but NL? I spend hours reading through and replying when I feel like. I spend 95% of my Nl time in the religion section, 3% in the jokes section (woulda spent more time there but they don;t post new jokes there often enough)

the remaining 2% I spend visiting the romance section and reading random threads from the homepage

nuclearboy:
^^ You have quoted ONE scripture in defence of everything we said and alluded to Psalm 41: 9. The answer to your scripture is that I do not carry a money bag with anybody's donations. None of us except you tithe-mongers carry bags. So your quote is irrelevant - If a WHITE american is being searched for, nobody can assess to see if it is me since I am black and Nigerian.

You carry the bag: you are under suspicion, not me!

Psalm 41 verse 9 says "Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me". Mr Olaadegbu, do you understand english at all or your delusions are so deep that you just throw anything and hope no-one knows what it says? What does that have to do with this topic? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOUR EXEGESIS on how this relates to "GIVING TO PASTORS" seeing as your ilk of pastors are more known for collecting than sharing their bread.

BTW, we are saying you should stop lying against God and give to Him what is His due. But you stubbornly refuse to give up your lies and theft. Who then is reprobate and why can you not (as you say we are) do justice to our posers. For you wish them away for lack of intellectual capability and truth, pretend they do not exist them and only cling to throwing the most asinine misquotes and lies.

Abuzola would be insulted to be compared to you. At least he didn't yab because of "cash" but because he believed his claims. You should be renamed "Abuzola minus minus"

@Olaadegbu,

Please respond to the emboldened part in nuclearboy's post and PLEASE explain to us how Ps 41:9 has anything to do with what we're discussing. Thanx!