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Sun of god:
In light with the recent onslaught of insults against Madam, I think it is right nairalanders help in rebranding the image and character of our beloved First Lady.

Only Sensible Suggestions - 

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What was she all decked out for?

A well written piece.

Jakumo:
The real story of Abacha's death is that he was in the midst of an elaborately choreographed sexual encounter featuring a couple of Indian hos, a wild sea-lion and a small team of female mud-wrestling midgets, when the pulley system that was supposed to lower the spinning basket containing the sea-lion broke free from its moorings and collapsed on the midgets just as they positioned themselves around the unclothed and trussed general for the grand finale.

In the ensuing confusion the sealion wound up sitting on General Abacha's face for over ten minutes, during which time the pint-sized Maximum Leader choked on his own black goggles while trying to gnaw his way out from under the beast's hairy buttocks. Rumour has it that General Abacha was in fact buried along with the unfortunate sea-lion in a double-occupancy casket, and that one of the Indian hos later died of laughter while recounting the debacle to friends.

. . .

Oh, ok. So is this some traffic engineering project?

Settin' up a suya shack?

@ OP, great letter.

Some of this has already been discussed, but to answer the question about the geographical terms used, the terms also denote political grouping and cultural differences, not just geography. That's why there (used to be) one large "North" that was referred to, regardless of northeast or northwest, and that was contrasted with the south in all the older writing on Nigeria.  If not for this huge political and cultural divide, it's possible that geographical areas would have been referred to by the appropriate names and that that would have stuck, but I doubt that this would have had any effect on Nigeria's history, really.

funny thread

Any details?


What impact has this had (or will have) on Nigeria's actual economy? Just wondering.

Sun of god:
[size=15pt]Meanwhile, in a move that will certainly not go down well at the Kremlin, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi recently said Italy will expand its role in Libya by allowing its air force to bomb selected military targets. [/size]

And on Tuesday, the US and British defense secretaries met at the Pentagon to discuss ways to step up military pressure on the Gaddafi regime, the US Defense Department said.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176906.html

Wow. Not that I support Ghaddafi (I don't), but if this is true, then Berlusconi's an even bigger jackass than I thought.

2008 cooperation treaty
On 30 August 2008, Gaddafi and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi signed a historic cooperation treaty in Benghazi.[23][24][25] Under its terms, Italy will pay $5 billion to Libya as compensation for its former military occupation.[26] In exchange, Libya will take measures to combat illegal immigration coming from its shores and boost investments in Italian companies.[24][27] The treaty was ratified by Italy in 6 February 2009,[23] and by Libya on 2 March, during a visit to Tripoli by Berlusconi.[24][28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Libya

The Oyo conquest and subjugation of Dahomey is one example of Yoruba expansionism. I think there are a few others.

This again


Lagos is Yoruba.

@ komando77, what's the point of this thread? Would you stand to benefit in anyway, even if what you claimed was true?

Mr Physics:

You are a typical purveyor of hate and oppression-It is the fault of the Anioma that they were killed in Benin, right?

Hate? Coming from the person who's trying to paint a whole ethnicity as hellbent on annihilating Igbos merely because "it was open season on them", not even being sensible enough to state that some people of that ethnicity  because of the occupation, committed crimes?

Of course you can't deny the massacre because the fact speak for itself. You just resort to blaming the victim.  It is the same argument being proffered in the North for the recent riots. The mad men of the North are of the same ilk with you. You all have blood of innocent souls dripping from your hands.

As for this crap of blood dripping from my hands, keep your lousy accusations to yourself. My grandfather (who was a high ranking chief in the Benin palace) hid an Igbo man in his compound after the Federal capture of Benin and that's why this crap about atoning for something I and my ancestors took no part in annoys me to no end. As I said in my original post, find those who were responsible and those who were affected and take the appropriate action. NO ONE ELSE should be involved, not those Binis who - like my grandfather - didn't kill anyone and actually helped out those who were at risk of being harmed, not those who didn't kill anybody, and not those Midwestern Igbos who were involved in the takeover of the Midwest.

Aha-the Jews asked for their incineration in Germany, the Tutsi brought the Hutu wrath upon themselves, now southerners and christians in the North are to blame that Jonathan allegedly rigged an election against Buhari.

That you have the gall to compare the Hutu massacres of Tutsis or the Jewish Holocaust to the Benin massacre shows how skewed your perspective is and how delusional you are and the immense amount of ignorance you must have about those events. Tell me, who was the Tutsi or the Jew who invaded and occupied Hutu or German land and sent even a single German or Hutu to die in some prison for no reason, while commandeering supplies for their own use? Since you're actually going this route, have your Biafran cousins atoned for the Hausa families in the Midwest they killed when they invaded and occupied the Midwest (or did you, someone who supposedly knows about the Midwest invasion, not know about that?)?

If you are not incorrigible, you will see the absurdity of your blame game.  When the Bini purportedly gave back properties and rents to returning Anioma people, did they give back the lives of innocent women, children and of course men killed in cold blood in the Bini period of "fleeting lunacy?"

"Purportedly"? Is it in doubt? This is more of that dishonesty that I was talking about. If you want to say something, be a man for once and come out and say it. If you want to say the Binis are naturally women and child murderers, and that their blood curdles and boils at the sight of an Igbo man, woman or child, COME OUT AND SAY SO, you fool. Who were these women and children killed by Binis? What LGA, on what street, and on what day did this killing of women and children occur?

The problem with you is that you're a hypocrite, but are too silly to even realize it. You actually think that every Bini man who could get his hands on any kind of weapon, killed every Igbo in Benin? And that, afterward, so many Igbos returned to Benin, jobs and property given back and everything? That the whole place was up in arms against Igbos and then immediately after, everything was reversed? Do you even believe the scenario you've painted? Or are you really this delusional?

Let's take your reasoning to its logical conclusion: Some Igbos kill some Hausa and Middle Belt soldiers - the entire Igbo nation has to "atone" for a few murders they had nothing to do with?

But the whole of Benin has to "atone" for what some Benin people assisted federal troops in doing? Or what was the population of Benin? Comparable in any way to that of the soldiers doing the killing or those killed? No.

Let us say just for argument sake that some Anioma participated in the so-called invasion of Midwestern region

That is not in question. That you don't know anything about the Midwest invasion, will not change history. That you call it a "so-called" invasion, shows where you're coming from, anyways.

a purely military expedition, should that be grounds for the violence that ensued leading to the death of thousands of innocent Anioma souls in Benin? Is your guilty by association reasonable or logical? Blaming Anioma people for their massacre in Benin is simply a travesty and quite despicable.

Thousands? Hyperbole will not get you anywhere. There were no "thousands" killed in Benin City or its immediate environs, though there were certainly thousands killed in the entire Midwest. As for "guilty by association" are you too dumb to realize that you are the one who started the "guilty by association" argument? Are you really that daft? Since you think all of Benin should "atone" anytime anybody from Benin does anything, should every Igbo "atone" for the murders of the coup of Jan. 1966, to which a few Igbos were large contributors? Should every Igbo "atone" for the enormous role some Igbos played in the slave trade? You're a confirmed dunce. Start by going to America and kneeling to the ground and kissing the feet of every black person your distant relatives from long ago sold off (but I know your own arrogance would prevent you from doing that) and I'll give this crap about atonement a second thought.

Believe me, whether Bini atones or not, Anioma people have moved on.

You, and possibly your people (if they all share this mentality) certainly have not. You think the average Bini person is even thinking of the civil war?

But unless you seek penitence, you'll continue to face the Anioma souls crying from the wilderness. And the cries are haunting you know! Do you wonder why Bini have not progressed much? Come to Anioma and see how far we've left the wicked souls.

You're another one of these people who believes in "souls crying from beyond" cursing a whole ethnic nation or country. Since you believe in this stuff, perhaps all those dead slaves in the Atlantic ocean are crying against all of Nigeria and your people in particular? Do you know that when Igbo people were selling slaves to Europeans, some of them believed that the Europeans were cannibals who ate the slaves and used their blood to make red cloth? That's a fact, which I could easily back up with the relevant quote (check p.310 of Thomas Hodgkin's Nigerian Perspectives, if you have the book). Imagine people selling others not into slavery, but - in their mind (and in some cases, in reality) - straight into the jaws of a gruesome death, and then later their relatives and descendants come blathering about souls crying against others. The irony is staggering. I have yet to read of a pan-Igbo movement for reparations to African Americans.

I'm also surprised you think you can hoodwink ignorant observers into believing Anioma is some kind of wonderland compared to Benin. Leave that story to people who have never been to any part of Anioma before. Where is this Anioma paradise - Is it Agbor? Is it Asaba? I've yet to see this Anioma paradise.

I will not engage in back and forth banter with you.  It is unnecessary and I think a waste of time! This is the last you'll hear from me on this issue.]

Good. Shut up and don't waste any more of my time.

As for the attempted annihilation of the Anioma-it is nothing but a truism.  The truth hurts doesn't it? The Bini tried it before and given their antecedent they can do it again if the opportunity presents itself.

Don't worry about Port Harcourt and our Ikwerre brothers, the abandoned property issue has gradually resolved itself.  Over the years, the Igbo have returned to their rightful place there. Yea, many Igbo including myself own properties in Port Harcourt just like they do in Benin.  We are itinerant people and no one can kill the indomitable Igbo spirit. The Bini and their ilk tried but failed woefully!

This is the main bone of contention - this crap about an attempted "annihilation" of Anioma by the entire Benin ethnic group or this claim that they desired to back then or in the future. The claim - apart from being little more than propaganda by angry and deluded Aniomas, makes no sense. If Binis wanted to wipe them out and "kill the Igbo spirit", why invite them right back in afterward with no qualms and no protest? And if they had so much loathing for these Anioma, why were these same Binis steadfast supporters of these Anioma when their leaders were running the Midwest? Why would the Binis elect an Anioma man to run on Otu Edo platform in the decade just before that in which the massacre occurred? Your "history" is screwed up because of your own delusions. The Bini have no outstanding contention with Anioma.

As for owning property in Benin, isn't that a fantastically silly thing to do when the Binis supposedly want to murder Igbos in Benin at the drop of a hat? What will they do when they find out an Igbo man lives there or when they see you come back to your property? Use your blood to make red cloth?

And perhaps you are unaware of this, but it's a common phenomenon in Port Harcourt for landlords to object to Igbo tenants. I don't know what your experiences are in Port Harcourt, but I get the impression that for many others the property issue there is not settled - houses have not been returned, and the decision of Murtala Mohammed's government with respect to the "abandoned" properties still stands.

Here is a quote from an Edo Man about the massacre of my people:

"Benin was the capital of the mid-western states with a high concentration of Asaba-born technocrats, bureaucrats, and professionals who met their untimely end at the hands of federal troops and other accomplices……there appeared a fleeting period of lunacy in which mid-westerners gladly identified Ahaba people to be shot down by federal troops on the so called liberation day in Benin…. It was the first Black On Black genocide in post independence Africa." Midwest Solicitor General, Giwa Amu, The Nigerian Observer, March 16, 1983.

Talking about delusion-Guess the people this honorable man said were deluded and were lunatics?  You guess it -those who killed innocent Anioma people i.e. the Bini! Giwa Amu was objective but you can't digest a coherent and articulated fact because you are a revisionist.


Here is another quote: "The Ahaba Man became the most vulnerable Nigerian…. It required ten positive acts of loyalty to one of the rest of the nation to prove themselves human being. Ever since the Mid-western invasion, they (Ahaba People) had been hounded, killed and considered the greatest security risks than the rest Igbos." Noble Laureate, Prof. Wole Soyinka, The Man Died.

The Midwestern invasion was a convenient excuse for you and your Bini iredentists to engage in what your fellow Edo man called "a fleeting period of lunacy" of the first black on black genocide in post independent Africa.

Bravo!

You must be a complete dunce to refer to me as a Bini irredentist. Unless you don't know the meaning of that word or haven't read any of this thread (which would still make you a dunce). Trust me, I have no interest in claiming any group that says they aren't Bini or are confused about being Bini. One cannot really be confused about being Bini. Either you know that you are Edo or you aren't. As far as I'm concerned Binis are one of the most liberal groups in Nigeria and this attempt to paint them as some group who are deliberately maltreating Igbanke or Ekpon for being Ika is a fabrication from a deluded and shameless dunce. I doubt that the vast majority of Edos even know that Ekpon is Ika to begin with, but you were spreading lies about them being actively discriminated against. If these Ika people come out and claim Igbo - which they are - this nonsensical back and forth will stop.

As for "fleeting period of lunacy" if you were more perceptive you would realize that calling it "lunacy" was Mr. Amu's way of trying to lessen the gravity of the crime. It was not "lunacy" -  those who were involved were not temporarily crazy, they were bigots and their actions were deliberate. They were not "temporarily insane" in any way, but I see that you would take any negative description of any group of Edos - even when it's actually saying they "went mad" instead of plainly stating the truth (that there was enormous anti-Igbo sentiment in the Midwest after the invasion) - to use for your claims.

"Midwesterners" refers not only to Benin. One of the most brutal massacres - outside of the massacres in the Anioma area itself committed by federal troops - took place in either Warri or Sapele (see John de St. Jorre's book on the civil war, I don't recall which one right now), when some Urhobos killed or assisted federal troops in the killing of a large number of Igbos. This despite the fact that several Urhobo clans/sub-groups explicitly and emphatically claim from before the massacre to this very day to have Igbo ancestors or that their towns were founded by Igbos. There was nothing about the Midwestern massacre of the Anioma that was due primarily to Benin influence, yet reading the stuff you wrote on here, one would think all of the massacres were ordered and directed from what is now Oredo LGA under the auspices of a Benin chief and that the federal troops were bystanders.

As for Wole Soyinka, it was this same Wole Soyinka who said in another one of his books (You Must Set Forth at Dawn) that despite his earlier contempt for Enahoro for spreading lies about him (as Minister of Information) during the war, he joined forces with him against Sani Abacha and came to admire his refined "Edo nobility." If the conscience of the nation (Wole Soyinka) has nothing against the Edo, I certainly don't care whether an inconsequential flea like you from nowhere is gnashing his teeth or slitting his wrists at the very mention of the word "Edo."

It was Wole Soyinka who said in that same book (The Man Died), without mincing any words that the Midwest invasion was a crime. If he was aware that some Anioma were instrumental to that same invasion, is he calling your people criminals? Never mind. Doesn't even matter. Keep waiting for this "atonement." You'll wait till hell freezes over.

ekt_bear:
Yes, experimental physicists can handle advanced physics coursework, but I doubt that your typical experimental biologist/bioengineer will be able.

I see. I took complex, but have forgotten most of it.

That's probably true of most. There are probably only a few exceptions.




@ DRlulu, sorry about the derailing.

ZnO:
Physics MHD:

Yes, I will beat you if we were in the same class.
lol at Physics. Only if you know what I do on day to day basis
What do you think Bioengineering is composed of? Amala?
Duh
Physics, chemistry Biology, environmental science. Olodo
If you can handle the type of equipment troubleshooting I do on daily basis, you will shout alleluia.

Like I said, not everyone can move from Crop Production to becoming a Bio Engineer.
Go figure

If you knew anything about non-applied physics and not just the physics used in your field, you wouldn't have compared the physics used in your particular area of bio-engineering with what I'm talking about, not to talk of comparing "equipment troubleshooting" to derivations or proofs.

And most people don't bother about crop production as a first degree in the first place, so they don't need to make that move.

ekt_bear:
Physics is too much for his brain.

He is an experimental scientist.

PhysicsMHD: BTW, have you taken real analysis?

Experimental physics is physics, though @ the part in bold.

As for real analysis, no, I haven't. If I intended to, then I might as well do a double major (Physics + Math), which would prolong my stay as an undergrad. I took complex analysis, though. It was interesting, though I was kind of skeptical about whether I'd need anything in that course besides contour integrals.

ZnO:
If I was a student, I will beat you in any field of study.

You say that, but have you ever even taken a look at the material in any upper division physics class? What I study is quite a world away from crop production.  Heck, even an introductory E&M course is probably harder than 98% of the material you had to do for your first degree.

ZnO:
BS Crop Production
MS Molecular Biology (focus on genetic engineering)
PhD (Bio-environmental Engineering)
PostDoct
Assistant Professor
Go get yours, if easy.

Never said it was so easy to do all that you did. That's not even what's funny to me. It's great that you're a scientist and interested in applications of your science to bettering your country/region/city. I mean that sincerely. But surely you know that going for crop production as a first degree when people around you are studying engineering, mathematics, physics, etc. should limit the amount of intellectual boasting and grandstanding you are allowed to engage in.

ekt_bear:
You fvcking not-so-smart person. He, like I, is not on your level. He has no incentive to post anything.

Anyway, you should know already that he is your superior. From what he has revealed, he has a 1st degree in Physics from a top 10 US school. This requires more brainpower than getting a degree in Crop Production.

Useless fool.

I'm still laughing at the crop production thing. I wasn't aware of that thread and honestly never expected it. Maybe he just loves nature.  

But as a point of correction, I'm still an undergrad. I just find it funny that someone would get a BS in a field which requires less brainpower than some classes I took my first semester of college, but be repeatedly bragging about his intellectual superiority based on his degrees.

ekt_bear:
Dude. . . wtf are you so dishonest, Nchara?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-441857.192.html#msg6017259

How were you both assistant professor starting in 2009-2010 and doing an MBA at the same time? You want me to believe that you got an MBA to any decent school in the US, on scholarship with no work experience? And not only got in, but got a scholarship? Yes, you might have gotten an MBA from a sh1t school. But such MBAs aren't worth more than toilet paper; they don't unlock the elite jobs for you.

Now, here is a quote from you:
You are a bleeping joke. a BS in Crop Production? What type of fake degree is that? Useless olodo. Why didn't you study a real science? Or study engineering? Mental weakling. Crop science.

Let's dissect your post further:OK jackass, I get the same invites too, where they mistakenly say "Professor." It is just an automated system; they scrape lists of names of previous conference attendees and then just send out a mass email. You are bragging about getting a mass email to submit to a conference? Frikking dumbass you are.

Insecure, lying maggot. I would be insecure too if I got my first degree in crop production.

How on earth can you talk sh1t to someone like me? Crop Production graduate! Jesu Kristi. I cannot even think of a leigitimate university in the US that offers a degree like that. No biology? No bioengineering? No chemical engineering? Petroleum engineering? Instead you chose Crop Production?

Nchara, never in your life open your mouth again and disrespect anybody on this forum again. Useless crop science graduate.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!




Crop science!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't even know. And yet he's constantly bragging about his education! This is priceless.

Wait . . .an Edo prince? Who is his father?


Is Odi an Edo name? Or is that short for Odibo or Odiase?

Perhaps, this is a prince from one of those monarchies in Edo state besides the Benin one. . .that's probably it.

jason123:
Andre, I have never been to the North (except Abuja) but I have stayed long enough in Nigeria to know about some people or groups.
Now, not all Ijebus speak the conventional yoruba you and I are accustomed to but you do not hear the,lets say Ekiti people forcing them (Ijebus) to speak the conventional yoruba. Even Benin republic women, some speak the conventional Yoruba, some don't. You have to realise that people have different dialects and[b] respect[/b] it. A typical yoruba man will not understand a person from Ekiti or Kwara or even the Awori dialect and then it draws the question, what then is an ethnic group, what is Yoruba (in your case, what is Igbo)? It is a mixture of vastly different sub-groups that were under an Empire that stretched to Eastern Ghana called the Old OYO empire. The Hausas to had theirs but the Igbos are republican in Nature, so they did not but they are all Igbos. Now, some Dahomey and/or Ewe people are saying they are not Yorubas but do you hear Yorubas forcing it down their throat What about the NUPES (who are now called Tapas in Lagos because they have accepted to be called Yorubas) Do you see the Yorubas forcing the Nupes to say they are Yorubas even though Nupe was part and parcel of the Oyo empire?? Exactly.
I hope you get my point. I do not mean any harm or rivalry but I am simply saying the truth. People should have freedom of choice. If some say they are Igbos, then fine, if not then FINE! If they need to know their language in their DIALECT, teach them. If you do not know it, then do not teach them. But do not try to teach them Igbo because you will simply force them to dislike Igbo. Minorities see acts such as yours an NEO-COLONISATION and they will surely resist it.
If indeed, they are Igbos, GIVE THEM TIME to retract back their steps to the Ndigbo community. I bet with time, most will realise the mistake they may or may not have made and will hopefully come back to the fold but trying to teach them your dialect or what you think is acceptable is simply colonising them and they will certainly reject the Igbo tag even more.

The Nupes were not part of Oyo. Nupe was independent.

omonuan:
Here are my two cents: I do not intend or expect ad hominem attacks from anyone but the facts are that Delta state government considers Ika, Aniocha, Oshimili, Ukwuani a/k/a Anioma as Igbo.  For many years they have been classified at various times as Ika Igbo, Western Igbo, Bendel Igbo and now Delta Igbo. They now prefer to be called Anioma people!

If anyone chooses to be called any other tribe within this enclave, that person is going against the grain. Even the Obi of Owa has stated clearly that Owa migrated from Nri. The fact that Anioma people have Bini influence is also a truism. This was reiterate by a famous Anioma man in the 1700s. Olaudah Equiano a/k/a Gustavo Vassa from Essaka i.e. modern day Ashaka in Ukwuani talked about the Bini influence on Anioma people but proclaimed proudly: "I am Eboe."  It is pertinent to mention that the influences from Bini are miniscle compared to that of the Igbo.

I am from Anioma specifically Enuani/Aniocha and I am comfortable in my Igbo skin but some of us are not.  To each his own though.  For those Anioma people who feel nostalgic about Bini, it would be imperative that I remind them that the modern day Benin massacre occurred in 1967 with the blood of Anioma people flowing like a river in Benin. The crime of Anioma people? They are Igbo and it was an open season on the Igbo in Nigeria. The Bini are yet to atone for this attrocity

Please don't delude yourself and think that it won't happen again if the Binis are given a chance to annihilate Igbo. 

Currently we have some Anioma people in Edo as natives-The question is how has Bini treated Igbanke and Ekpon? They are generally called Igbo by other Edo people to the point that they want to be extricated from the yoke of the Binis and joined with their kith and kins in Delta-Anioma people.

You would have thought using the logic of some people here that Igbanke would have felt at home in Edo since as Ika people they are more Edo than Igbo. Nevertheless, they feel unwanted and unassimilated and they now want to go back to their roots-ANIOMA!  On my part I will do what I can to bring my people from Edo back home to where they belong.

I would enjoin any right thinking Anioma person and perhaps our brothers accross the Niger to join the crusade to free Igbanke and Ekpon because they are yearning for freedom! Thinking that Anioma people are Bini will not help the Igbanke cause. Igbanke people have seen and heard that they are so close to home and yet so far away from freedom. It is now up to us to bring them home!

Your understanding of the events of 1967 is very strange.

You seem to think that the invasion of 1967 was not a Midwestern Igbo (including Ikas) takeover of Benin and all of the Midwestern region. What was it? Is occupying and looting a place a propos of nothing, just fine because you say so?

As for atoning for the atrocity, if you or anyone else has names of those who committed the massacre and those who were victims, then you could get some atonement, but in the absence of that, using the fact that a group responded violently after occupation as some sort of proof of the particular hatred that group has for those who occupied them is ludicrous.

I have to ask, regarding the Igbos and Benin:

"He was a major when he was appointed Military administrator of Midwest state on September 20, 1967 following the liberation of state from the secessionist {Brafia} occupation and was later promoted Lt. Colonel and military governor of the Midwest state.

He embarked on a process of reconciliation, reconstruction, and rehabilitation aimed at ameliorating the ill-feeling and mistrust that had been sown amongst the non-Igbo of the state by the secessionist invasion. This policy of reconstruction, reconciliation, and rehabilitation help greatly to restore confidence and trust between the Igbos and non-Igbos of the region.

With three months of his administration, much was already, being achieved in the restoration of mutual confidence and understanding between the various ethnic groups. Houses and other landed property left behind by fleeing persons, during or after the occupation of the state, were enumerated and accorded necessary protection in the interest of their rightful owners. Not only did the rightful owner repossess this property, but they were also paid the rents, which had accrued on them. Igbo-speaking civil servants who had fled their posts on the approach of the federal troops were reinstated on their return"


http://www.edoworld.net/Ogbemudiabiography.html



Is all of that above about Ogbemudia completely and utterly false? If it is, then what have you done in real life to correct the injustices? If it isn't, what did you want besides that? A cookie and a big "thank you for helping invade and occupy the region"? I also wonder, if the Binis are such naturally loathsome, blood lusting, anti-Igbo individuals, why are Igbos in Benin in no very small number to this very day? I also wonder why the political history of Benin, between 1897 and 1967, contradicts this anti-Igbo theme? Or was aligning with Igbos (those who the Binis supposedly loath to the point of wanting to annihilate) all just a fluke?

What makes you think the Binis, now or in the future, would be so concerned about Igbos as to want to "annihilate" them? You're really a delusional individual. For all the contemptuous statements I've heard from people from different Nigerian ethnic groups about other ethnic groups in Nigeria, this idea that any Southern Nigerian group wants to "annihilate" any other is ridiculous and ranks among the most patently absurd propaganda I've seen posted on this board by any member. Ika are Igbo, but this campaign of making Binis into some group who would desire to annihilate Igbos at the drop of a hat is a sign of really deep delusion.  You actually think that everybody, even those who are of no real relevance to you and who you are not particularly relevant to, is out to get you. Fix this mentality.

As for Igbanke, let them first decide what they are.  They seem to actually believe that this "Ika" ethnicity exists as distinct from Igbos and are rejecting claims from both Binis and Igbos over them, so clearly they are highly confused. Had they always acknowledged their Igboness, we wouldn't even be having this discussion and Igbanke and Ekpon would have gone straight into Delta state with their Anioma brethren. The claims about marginalization from Igbanke, from all I've read, seem to be that the other people and the government in Orhionmwon LGA speak Bini and won't speak their language (Ika) and that their area has been ignored by the government (lots of places in Edo state have been ignored by the relevant governments, is this out of the ordinary?  ). It's not as if they are actually somehow being deliberately oppressed for being Igbanke.

Your attention would be better focused on Port Harcourt, where some of your Ikwerre and Ijaw-Igbo cousins are owing your people property. There is no outstanding problem between Igbos and Benin, except that which exists in your imagination.

But is the leader of Gambia's government, and the government itself, credible?

SEFAGO:
Seems you are not current mate, one of the moderators got pissed and told everyone that they are the one and the same. It was pretty obviious though. I interacted with both and they both got their PhDs in Europe it was not too difficult to put two and two together. I think the guy had two laptops or a desk top and a laptop maybe and so could multitask with both. Or at the minimum used two browsers.

Ok, my bad. And yeah I guess I'm not current. That's a funny situation  

My mistake about the false correction ekt_bear.

"Professor Soludo had cumulative four years of post-doctoral training in some of the world's most prestigious institutions, including: The Brookings Institution, Washington, DC; University of Cambridge, UK, as Smuts Research Fellow and Fellow of the Wolfson College; the UN Economic Commission for Africa as a Post-Doctoral Fellow; University of Warwick as a Visiting scholar and Visiting Research Scholar at Center for African Economies, University of Oxford (with funding by the Rhodes committee). He also attended over a dozen specialized courses and has had extensive research, teaching and consultancy works in different areas of economics. "


I think SEFAGO was actually right there. . .


@ ekt_bear


ZnO is not Nchara. He's mekyuus/omongbati/environer etc. The plant science ph.d guy.  Look through his posts on his profile and you'll get the picture. Also, I'm pretty sure Nchara was not banned for anything. . .

iwonbaoko:
who??

Never mind then. My mistake.

This thread is still going?



@ iwonbaoko, are you aribisala0 by any chance?

This is a good one:

TWENTY-FIRST FOLK TALE: WISDOM, FOOD AND WEALTH
OBJECTIVES
a.  To show that where wisdom is, food and wealth may also be found
b.  To appreicate how these three travelelrs come to every person.
c.  To show how foolish man is.
d.  To learn that a busy man needs and wants wisdom

One day wisdom., food and wealth started on a journey.  As they went along they came to a man sitting under a tree.  The man said, "Where are you going?"  They said, "We are hunting a place to live." The man said, "As for me, I want wealth to live with me." Wealth said, "You are a dumb man.  If you had chosen wisdom, all three of us could have lived with you. But you have chosen me.  This cannot be, because if I lived with you without wisdom, you could not have me long."

They started off again and they met another man.  The man said, "Where are you going, young man?" They said, "We are hunting a place to live." The man said , "I believe that I would like to have food live with me."  Food said, "You are not clever.  If you had chosen a certain one of us, all of us would live with you.  But look, you have chosen me.  Do you think that you could keep me?  No, you could not keep me.  Let us go on."

Farther on they came to a man who was working.  He said, "Where are you going today?"  They said, "We want a place to live." The man said, "I would like for wisdom to live with me."  Food said, "If you have chosen wisdom, then I will live with you, too.  I know that you will be able to take good care of me." Wealth said, "If you have chosen wisdom, then I will live with you, too.  I know that you will be able to take good care of me."  All three lived with him because he made a good choice.