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Chetimah:An exercise in motorpark logic and stupidity. The simple argument that the op should try to show with a seasoned argument is that the standard of living , measured by all standard indices, was much higher in 1999 than in 2015. So, Op, kindly go ahead and articulate your argument. |
Paperwhite:You obviously have a grouse with common sense. Why can't you focus on the message and leave the messenger out of it ? I really do not understand the thought process of the average Nigerian. Why don't you just give him due credit for coming out in public to condemn the unnecessary payments, and even suggesting that they should only concentrate on lawmaking and be paid a salary for doing so ? |
whirlwind7:Prehistoric, fossilized Dinosaur indeed. |
stephendamsoho: ![]() |
Faithway10:Obviuosly, the Nigerian Church, in whatever name or brand they come in, is nothing but a CULT of Stupidity for the intellectually challenged. There is a very good reason that church-goers call themselves sheep. |
BayelsaLegacy:"As A Man Thinketh, So He Acts". Once again, stupid people , stupid acts. ![]() I would have been shocked to see launching or opening of a 100 seat capacity Library in Bayelsa. Naaaa!! Of what use would a Library be to the youths of Bayelsa ? Libraries are for Oyinbo people . More Religion In = More Delusional and Fragmented reality out. ![]() |
babasolution:Jokes aside, I have interacted with people from different parts of the world, different religions and cultures. Even among East and West African brothers and sisters, Nigerians seem to exhibit the very lowest intellectual quality. I keep trying to figure out what it is about Nigerian society that is responsible for such low intellectual outputs. An illiterate Ghanaian woman has a clearer, better quality reasoning skills than a typical ( of course not all) Nigerian about any issue. |
SerialAlpha:Oh ? Why don't you put yourself ,or even better, your daughter, out in the public having sex in toilet. Animals have sex in the open because we assume they have no shame and only act on natural instincts. When thinking humans have sex in toilet while being watched by millions of people, what exactly should we call such humans? ![]() I feel so ashamed for the animals that most Nigerians have devolved into, and the Zoo that Nigeria has turned into. |
Obviously, Buhari is trying out a new career as a stand up comedian. No problems , as soon as he gets his axs out of ASO Rock. |
sonofluc1fer:Lol. |
butterflyl1on:Laughing out loud. First of all, why not dwell on the statistics that are given , instead of a projecting a hypothetical situation suited for bias ? . So, you think that a 70,000 prison population for the world's most religious country of 160m is a very good score ? Good score compared to what other country ? |
butterflyl1on:Your argument is flawed on many fronts. For example, with a population that has 90% religious people, that so-called custodians of lofty morality, that religious people should be statistically under-represented in the prison population. Conversely, since atheists and non-adherents of the judeo-christian moral philosophies are assumed to be people without a moral guidepost, the atheists should have been expected to make up a greatly disproportionate representation of the prison population. |
Just to add to this discussion on morality and it's source, let me remind those who continue to point to religion and their invisible gods as the source for morality that such argument remains a failed argument. For good example, we are not surprised at all that latest prison statistics show that 92% of prison inmates in Nigeria are adherents of the 2 major Middle East religions. Adherents of African traditional religions make up only 2% of the prison population, while atheists make up only 1% of the prison population in Nigeria. So, the facts are there. Religion is definitely not the source of morality.
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LaudableXX:Nonsense. I don't owe you any simple yes or no answer, considering you have made no attempts to answer my simple yes or no answers to simple questions posed earlier. 1. Did he and his family become very wealthy through his ministry? Yes or No ? 2.Did his children inherit his ministry (family business) ? Yes or No ? 3. And lastly, this particular point is probably the difference between yours and my viewpoints . People who accumulate personal wealth through evangelism are scammers ? Yes or No ? Now, since you are harping on Billy Graham ministries audit, why don't you post it here to bolster whatever argument you are desperately trying to make. |
butterflyl1on:I don't know why you are getting so worked up. If you take Money from people, under the guise of a religious calling, and you enlarge yourself and your family, and live large on the sweat of those that buy your religious message, then by simple common values, you are a Bona fide Scammer. It doesn't matter whether your name is Yahoo yahoo, Benny Hinn, Crefto Dollar, Oyedepo or Billy Graham. Very very simple. |
LaudableXX:Comprehension comprehension. Some read but do not comprehend. Charities are not family owned and operated. Charities are not passed on to children as inheritance. Therefore, there is no doubts that Billy Graham ministries is not a charity. I don't need to look at their audits too prove my case that the ministry is not a Charity. It is in the UK that Church-Preneurs are compelled by law to operate by public Charity laws. Anyone that grows wealthy by selling one form of religious belief or another is simply running a scam. That is just common sense. That you admire and love Billy Graham is acceptable. That is just evidence that he was a Master of his craft. It doesn't make him any less a scammer par excellence. Being a Charity and making charitable donations from his god-scam are two different things. |
LaudableXX:Disparage what work exactly ? ![]() Let me repeat again in another way, in case you didn't comprehend my earlier points. A Charity is a public enterprise. No matter who is the founder of a Charity, all monies donated, accrued or earned belongs to the charity, not to an individual or his family members. Billy Graham ministries was not public enterprise. It was a private enterprise run by Billy Graham and his family. It Isa family run enterprise, whether you call it a ministry or whatever. Billy Graham and his family earned lucrative incomes and accumulated incredible wealth running that religio-business enterprise. When a person earns a lucrative income and accumulates wealth , we call that person a successful businessman, genius or tycoon. Whenever a person does same under the pretext of a religion where he earns stupendous wealth from selling faith or paraphernalia related to the faith he is selling, then we call that a scam. Pure and simple. That he exhudes humility, calmness and is less flamboyant than say Oyedepo and many of his contemporaries in the god/Jesus-scam business doesn't make him any less of a scammer. |
budaatum:Pls understand my point. He is using the wrong phrases. That's what I am trying to point out to him. If you don`t believe in the existence of something, you cannot write definitively about that thing. However, you are very free to write about the prevailing Ideas or the prevailing Notions of that thing as it effects the society, humanity, or how such Ideas or Notions have evolved over the eons of human History . |
MuttleyLaff:Point of correction sir. If you neither believe in the existence of the Toothfairy nor Santa Claus, then you can only write or express opinion about the IDEAS or beliefs being peddled about Santa Clause and the Toothfairy . I don`t see how you can offer a definitive analysis of something whose existence is unproven. If you keep trying to get a comparison of Capital letter god and small letter god, you are taking them from the realm of being mere Mental Projections , and projecting them as actual things that can be objectively observed, classified and analyzed ,.which they are not. |
MuttleyLaff:Probably for the same reasons you don't believe in the existence of the Toothfairy. There is no difference between god, capital or small letter, and the Toothfairy. It's all a matter of perspectives. The mind`s perspective. Most children are made into ( more like conned) believing in the existence of the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, etc, in the same way they brainwashed, conned, blackmailed into believing in the existence of small letter and capital letter god or gods. Of course, You know that there is ZERO scientific evidence that such belief are nothing other than glorified primitive myths and lores. Now , let me reiterate that the fact we have countless religions, countless sects within these religions, all trying to weave their own concept of god, and the very fact that we are here, using 21st century scientific tools arguing and trying to define god is the strongest proof that god is an idea, an always evolving idea. Therefore, , any definition of god by anyone today would simply , just like in ancient times, be a projection of current perspective, just another idea. |
butterflyl1on:I just can't stop laughing . ![]() butterflyl1on:Yes, he did. If you run an enterprise whereby you make money, much more money than you invest, by peddling something, a tangible product or an abstract ideas , be it faith, snake oil, holy hankerchief, holy water, books that promote your products or ideas, then , by simple logic, you are running a for-profit enterprise. If you agree, you're a freemarket business person. If you give away all or the far greater percentage of your profits for public benefit, then you are CHARITY. If you keep all or a far majority of the profits for yourself and enlarge the financial fortunes of your family and children, then you are a bona fide tycoon. Again, that is encouraged in the freemaket system. However, if you refuse to be called tycoon , and refuse to aknowledge that you are running a family business enterprise, pretending that you are doing some work for some invisible god that public are somehow incapable of doing, then you are obviously running a bona fide scam. That you are runninga more organized and more sophisticated, scandal-free scam does not in any way exonerate you from being a scammer. Simple. |
butterflyl1on:My friend, you still don't seem to get it. You're pretending or simply too blind by your faith, to see my point. It's silly to say that he did not run a faith scam simply because there were no scandals attached to his name during his church business career. He was simply smarter, more disciplined and had more self-control than the rest. I will definitely give him credit for that. Again, that he supposedly reached 250m people or 1 billion people with his message(faith scam) does not in anyway exonerate him from the fact that He ran a faith for profit enterprise. Now, If you think that people and their families should grow stupendously rich peddling faith, well that's your opinion. Many people, including Christians, would disagree with you. |
MuttleyLaff:I don't believe that any such thing as capital letter God or small letter god exists. The fact that we are here trying to define it is evidence that it is merely an abstract idea. However, there are ideas about god or your GOD. I therefore urge you to correct the question by rephrasing it and asking for people's ideas about god, rather than asking them to define what is yet in evidence. |
butterflyl1on:Lol. His biography ? You're kidding me , right ? ![]() Like you expected his biography to tell us that he , just like many before him and after him ran a global faith scam that netted great wealth to him and his family ? Like we expected Hitler's biography to have told us that he was such an evil man ? C'mon ! Perhaps you need to reread my post. What you posted from his so-called biography does not contradict or refute my points. Did he pioneer and commercialize faith for profit , Yes or No ? Did he and his family grow very wealthy from his faith business , yes or no ? Did his children automatically inherit his successful and very lucrative commercial faith enterprise ( aka ministry ) , yes or no ? ![]() |
givan:Bullshyt. Billy Graham was surely one of the pioneers and the embodiment of Faith For Profit , mercantilist or commercialized christianity. Simple proof of that is that he died stupendously wealthy, wealthy from milking faith . His children, just like any family run business , are lucratively employed in his commercial ministry and have automatically inherited the fortunes of his church empire. So, kindly do not insult us with that Billy Graham holier than other crap. There is a special place in hell( I imagine) for those exploit Faith for profit. |
MuttleyLaff:Its kind of funny that you are asking the question, answering the same question, while still asking the question. By trying to show a difference between god with a small 'g' and god spelt with a capital 'g' , you are directly propositioning that such entities absolutely exists and their differences do exist. For example, I have no idea what in the universe you are talking about when you make repeated references to small letter 'g' and capital letter 'g' gods. I don't find those in any science or astronomical journal. Since you are absolutely sure of these convictions, the onus falls squarely on YOU to DEFINE these capital letter 'g ' and small letter 'g' entities . |
How come I have never heard of a Nigerian philanthropist build a single library, vocational training school or even modernize the often dilapidated schools in their communities ? When will African children start reading and catching up with the rest of the world in knowledge instead of threading this forgotten path of middle Eastern myths ? Where does anyone see new Cathedrals being erected in Europe , the people that gifted us with this yoke ? The Europeans are converting their old cathedrals into libraries, laboratories and museums. Is religion and more religion the only things the African brain is capable of absorbing ? As a man thinketh, so he is. Garbage in, Garbage out. Shithole middle East religions in, shithole mentality and shithole reality out. |
Omooba77:Delete Momudu and self-glorification. ![]() He reminds me of another Janus-Faced pretender to intellectual discourse, Tam David-West. Every discourse is centered around him. At the end, the article seems to be more about his travels and meeting with famous people than a serious discussion of an important issue. |
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It doesn't matter if you call it, a public enterprise or a private one. All enterprises registered by govt, are subject to an audit. Now for the second time, let me repeat my question: "Did you audit any of Billy Graham's financial records, for you to know that he ran a so-called "faith-for-profit" enterprise or a charity?"