₦airaland Forum

gberra:
By your shallow logic & despicably low understanding, Israel is the worst country with the most atrocious human right abuse and responsible for Africa's trauma by implication. ..
I celebrate your dumbness.

Only a very daft individual continues to speak without caring to mak e a single tangible point.
There is more to having an education than simply being able to write sentences.

As per your post above, again, I am not shocked that you display very poor comprehension skills.

KratosCorp:
Of course, no one can accuse you of religious biase.

But my point is that you deviated from logic.

So now, it's good that you have shown that your momentary emotional outline was as a result of what you perceived as opression. I can make do with that.

However, the reality is that the Jews have a right to life like everyone else. And I don't think it's fair to demonize them simply because they have consistently refused to bow to terrorism.

Again, the point is that the boycott was not in solidarity with the oppressed Palestinians but rather to ridicule Isreal in solidarity with much more agressive, hostile and oppressive Islamic caliphates.

Yes, we all know that Isreal is not a Christian nation. We also know that Isreal has still not entrenched the Zionist agenda and so is democratic and protects the human rights of all her citezens - including those of the Isleali citezens who are non-Jewish.

But we do know that Isreal holds a pivotal place in Christianity. We also know that Jews and Judaism are the roots of Christianity. And millions of us Christians and all Jews hope and expect that one day our soon coming King and Messiah will lead from Jerusalem.

So based on your above post, which of us has a non-objective , religious bias on this issue ?

In my original post , I never mentioned Christianity nor Islam as a driver of my loathing for the institutionalized oppression of Palestinians.
The oppression and open imprisonment of Palestinians under the most dehumanizing conditions is a fact, not my opinion.
You completely ignored this fact, as if it is justified , simply because ancient Israel is the centre of your religious myths.

Try to imagine yourself a Palestinian for once before you justify their oppression.

And again, if you think Israel has a religious or historical justification to oppress the Palestinians, then you should likewise justify perhaps the Hausa/Fulani oppression of minority groups in Northern Nigeria and throughout Nigeria.

We should all call a spade a spade.
We must be CONSISTENT with our VALUES, and must be CONSISTENTLY vigilant about everyone's freedoms and fundamental human rights.

gberra:
I only struck out an insanely idiotic comments.

-Burn Yourself

Incapable of articulating a rebuttal, even a feeble one ?

Perhaps there is something inside morons that keeps urging them to stand and show themselves in public.

KratosCorp:
Plateon you are only saying this because of your irreligious stance.

However the boycott has nothing to do with human rights, but everything to do with religion. I expected your critical side to be able to pick that. But, on the contrary, you allowed your negative emotion for Christian religion to blind and subjugate your sense of reason.

If human right is the issue, then no country in the middle east should be exempted.

And, regarding your strong hate for Isreal, I seriously think you have been grossly disinformed.

Firstly, I don't have strong hate for Israel.
I am just being consistent in my hatred of oppression, wherever I see it.
My spirit just bleeds for oppression wherever I see it.

As a Black man, I cannot but empathize with people , any people, under the yolk of oppression, discrimination or Apartheid, as in the case of Israel against the Palestinians.

If FFK feels for the oppressed in Nigeria, he should likewise feel for the oppressed people of Palestine.

It is purely on those grounds that I support the boycott.

Secondly, contrary to what most ignorant Nigerians think, Israel is neither a Christian nation nor a deeply religious nation. Therefore, you cannot accuse me of religious bias on this issue.

EmeeNaka:
Toothless Nigeria govt boycotting ECOWAS meeting with a great Nation like Israel is more like a joke

Israel is not a great nation.
Israel is an oppressive State that still practices the worst form of racial discrimination and apartheid in this modern era

As Africans, still traumatized by Slave trade , neocolonialism and Apartheid, we should share a common loathing for human Rights issues in Israel.

Therefore, I support the Nigerian government's boycott.

I admire FFK as the official opposition party in Nigeria.
But when he goes off his rockers and begins to wax spiritual mumbo jumbo, he is on his own.

KingEbukasBlog:
The communists forced atheism down people's throat and even killed them if they dare resist - still happening in atheist states . Most atheists have overtly sworn that their children will never know God or believe in Him (atheistic indoctrination ) . Remove the log in your own eye before you attempt doing so for your brother .

God bless you sir .

Actually, communism is a political ideology that asserts or pretenrs to assert that individuals should have full control over their resources and labor. Communism, fully cognizant of the history and politics of religion, view religion as a yolk, an opiate, a control mechanism to exploit the masses by the few. And they are absolutely right in that regard.
That is the only connection between communism and irreligion.
The Communist manifesto NEVER EVER promoted atheism as a philosophical proposition.

That some states defended or still defend their population from religious fifth makes perfect sense.
Don't you or wouldn't you as a father or community leader, defend your children or community from a toxic river or any form of toxic emanations ?
That atheists father's want to protect their children from middle East stench religions makes even more perfect sense. Same way you would defend your children from , say, the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER ?

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, .only you can free yourself.
May the soothing touch of Amadioha touch your young ignorant head.

Afonjashapmouth:
Religion is a dicey topic, but the good thing is its never forced down anybodys throat. Some churches are founded based on soul winning however after so much expansion, the serpents must surely step in to cause chaos. How many church the G.O of a church wan supervise

Who said religion is never forced down anyone's throat ?

Is religion not primarily about blackmail ?
Is blackmail not the equivalent of forcing something down one's throat?

Don't parents force religion, their brand of religion, through their children's throat ?
Most people are saddled with religious beliefs long before they are able to Begin to articulate their own thoughts.

Firgemachar:
Stop sounding like a morronn!

PMB left the country to run on autopilot for the first 6 months of his administration.

All that time the economy managed to hold itself together until it began to crash in earnest in early 2016.

Yet you blame the past administration,

Are you maddd

Don't mind the slowpoke.
They have forgotten so fast how Buhari left governance unattended for six months, ignorantly thinking that an economy vis similar leaving cows unattended in a grazing field.

Splashme:
It's getting very disgusting
Let him remain there

We have donated him to UK
The man is not adding any value to our country

Besides, the VP is doing better than him

I second that motion.

Btw, so Aisha can wear trousers in the UK and not in Nigeria ?

KahlDrogo:
Very stupid comment to say the least. You talk about "Northern Federal government", what about our respective state governments? What have they ever achieved apart from enriching themselves, their immediate families, and their horde of girlfriends? Or is the northern fed govt also responsible for their failures as well?

I take responsibility for my actions and don't attribute the result of same to my neighbors. Idiots should try to do the same. I stand to gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from hating the northerners. Our greedy politicians in a bid to consolidate their already fatal stranglehold on us are the ones promoting this "hate the north, they are responsible for your woes" gospel! And I won't be surprised if you are under their payroll.

Rubbish.

You're correct that no one gains anything by hating the North.
There is nothing hateful about my post nor the main article in this thread. We are dealing with facts.
And yes, the greedy southern politicians all go scrambling for crumbs at the center. But that itself is part and parcel of the Hausa Fulani conquest strategy.

As you can see for yourself, even with distorted federal system we run, the South still outpaces the north 1000 to 1 in economic development and all human development indices.
When Northern governors see the building of mosques as infrastructural developments, that is another pointer that the northern political elite should no longer be trusted with federal political power. Their feudal mindset is at odds with economic progress, equality and democracy.

KahlDrogo:
That Charles ogbu is one Stupid idiot. Only a fool would keep attributing his failure to his neighbor. The "sons of Dan Fodio" or whatever, aren't responsible for whatever the south goes through, our useless and totally irresponsible leaders who know nothing but screwing eachother's daughters are responsible.

You want us to hate the northerners, right? When we are done hating them and in the end, drive them away, and we get our separate country, who do we turn around to hate? Or does the writer think the hate would just vanish into thin air?

Instead of asking us to love one another irrespective of where we come from, or tribe,, our religion, etc, the fool is asking that we hate the northerners instead.

Very very stupid write up I repeat.

Basically, your point is that we should be drink coolade and let things be the way they are ?

Truth is bitter.
You can choose to act ostrich and keep your head permanently buried in the sand.

It is a fact that the Hausa Fulani , from pre independence, have always seen and treated Nigeria as their conquered territory, not as a united country in the same way the average Southerner has seen it.
Look at the history of Hausa Fulani leadership in Nigeria and see the repeating pattern of autocracy, NEPOTIST, sectionalism, economic retardation and degradation of democratic norms and values.
So, yesterday when a Niger Delta buffoon like Tonyebacanista, a supposedly intelligent chap, opened a thread to convince us that the North deserves to keep power in 2019 because they had allegedly been politically shortchanged by Acts of Providence, I was soooo nauseated, so enraged that I couldn't comment on the thread without possibly earning a suspension.

So yes, the article is 100℅ correct. The youth , aside from being completely ignorant of Nigerian history, are also devoid of critical thinking skills.
Nairaland has exposed the intellectual paucity the Nigerian youths who lack the courage for deep reflection, and prefer the path of least resistance to insult and bully their neighbors who pose No harm to them, while making it easier for predators , their oppressor to operate with greater confidence and ease.

Let say it again, anyone who thinks a bunch Northerners in Aso Rock, whether in the present dispensation or come 2019, 2023 or whenever, under this current federal system, will usher in unity, peace, economic progress and prosperity , is drinking a very strong drink of delusions.
History is the best witness.

wirinet:
You are making loads of assumptions here. The rights to allow foreigners into a country resides only in the government of that country. Nobody including ECOWAS or UN can force Nigeria to accept biafrans in the event of a split. Only negotiations and agreements between the countries will ensure nationals of each country can work and live in the other country. After BREXIT, the fate of Europeans living in Britain and British living in Europe is uncertain, it is after the brexit negotiations that their fate will be known.
In the US, it is the courts that have stopped Trump from deporting all the "bad hombres" and banned all Muslims from entering the US, not any UN.

I don't disagree with you at all, simply because what you're saying is sensible.

My points all along has been to challenge the ignorant assumptions that in the case of Biafran independence, Biafrans automatically would be persona non Grata in Nigeria.
That too is an assumption, a wrong assumption that ignores the protocols and niceties of state boundary treaties .

Misterdhee1:
Your comparism doesn't not hold water. Nigeria didn't secede from the UK or any of the countries you mentioned. And if you really want to make comparison, cite examples like China-Taiwan, Sudan-South Sudan ties. Stop making it seem like all of you are daft.

Again, repeating it for the 4th time today, no one seems willing to read , understand and respond to an issue in the proper context without throwing in a hypothetical situation as a rebuttal.

Nome of all of you guys have made any points to refute the facts I presented.
Is there an ECOWAS treaty or not ?
Is Nigeria not a signatory to it or not?
The answers to the above vindicates me.

If Nigeria decides to be an ECOWAS renegade, that's another topic altogether.

However, you're all hung up on the your envisaged and hypothetical projection that Nigeria would or should RENEGE on its ECOWAS treaty obligations, which itself is a completely different topic by itself.

This is the single simple point that you and others miss?

Mujtahida:
"First of all, no one needs to move from wherever they live." by you. Now read it again, again, again. Comprendre?

Congratulations. This is worse than being a unity begger. What you looking for in a zoo after you've gotten your Republic? Gosh!

Reminds me of some old women who even when their children buy them soft mattresses still prefer to lie on the cold barren floor.

Let me say it again. Comprehension and critical thinking skills are seriously deficient amongst the Nigerian populace.
Most people come here to argue, without even understanding what they argue about.

There are a lot of Nigerians who are proud to be Nigerian, but who live in UK, USA , Benin Republic, Cameroun , Ghana, etc.
Not so ?
So what is the problem with being Biafran by nationality ( in the contemplated eventuality), and then being (by choice or necessity ) a resident of Benin Republic, Niger Republic, Togo , Ghana or the UK or Nigeria ?

Now, if you morons can't understand my posts and my points from that very simple perspective, then I am sorry, I can't help you with your comprehension issues.

Mujtahida:
Smart guy,as per your first line. So under the cover of ECOWAS treaties and charter you'd have two countries-Biafra and the Zoo. That's the implication of what you saying.

Lol.
If that's the way you understand it, then it's surely not my fault.

Many Nigerians reside in neighboring and outside countries as either legal residents, illegal residents or dual citizens.
Likewise, many people of other nationalities also reside in Nigeria as legal residents or citizens..

It is quite stuuupid to think or suggest that Biafra, if and when recognized as a sovereign country, would be an exception to the rule.

ISpiksDaTroof:
No, my point--young man--is that you can't rely on the law in Africa to protect you when your adventure goes awry. Laws are enforced in Africa through Jungle Justice Bonfires, clubs, machetes, vicious killer mobs, Guns, grenades bombs and knives; a law book, courtroom and gavel come last before all of the above.

But you can keep on deceiving yourself if you wish. Thats your prerogative.

I guess then that in your worldview, the laws, the rule of law, the entire criminal justice system in Africa should be jettisoned, since, according you, we are already accustomed to jungle justice.
Wow! What an Einstein moment!

Doesn't this state of affairs clearly justify why some humans should decide to leave the jungle and be free to do so?

Billyonaire:
Listen, I know some of you are not quite educated on how to control your ego and augment your reasoning capabilities. Watch this handle very well and do not attempt to cast exasperation on my person, because we are all here to discuss our views and make our opinions known. You insulted my person on your other response and I do not welcome such tantrums and emotional vituperations.

Let me state that when countries secede. The UN has commission that takes over boundary resolution and Migration of entities within and without
the geographical locations. Nigeria will NOT, I repeat, will NOT decide how the Migration laws are implemented after secession. There will be timeframe about 5years for citizens of both countries, resident within the territories of each others' bothers to accept Citizens on First Rights of Refusals. The Taxation is handled by Office of Foreign Assets Control, and ofcourse the tax brackets are already there ECOWAS member State, so such laws are invoked after the expiration of the moratorium.

But I know that all the Oil companies operating in Biafra now with Head offices in Nigeria will move to Biafra, IF we chose to renew their OPL and OML. (which I doubt). Because different countries will like to support Biafra for our Oil/Gas and Solid Minerals. So our new allies will present their own companies.

Let us discuss this respectfully for the benefit of those who seek answers.

I am personally in support of Regionalism, but if it fails, it has to be Biafra, I can not buy diesel of 300K every month for the rest of my life. I can not continue to destroy my cars on bad roads. I can not continue to sponsor folks abroad for quality education.

I believe we owe our future children the debt of giving them a better country.

Buhari should resign for Osinbanjo to lead the country, because I think he is not a regular politician. If these fails, it has to be Biafra or NOTHING.

I love how you simplify complex issues into soft chewable bits for these children.

ISpiksDaTroof:
The same Nigeria/Africa where nobody presently obeys the Laws laid down in their constitution and where disorganization is the order of the day is where/whom you're relying on to help you enforce all what you quoted above?

You should look into comedy. I think thats where your destiny lies.

Again, very weak, very illogical argument.
So because people have a tendency to disobey laws, therefore no one should rely on laws.
This is the point your argument, and you can see how inane it is.

ISpiksDaTroof:
Jesus Christ, are you guys this deluded?!

Nobody needs to recognize jack sh&t when you decide to break away or your Independence is disputed by a bigger more powerful country. It is not "automatic". Have you ever heard of Taiwan? What of Palestine? How about Israel?

In fact, if Nigeria decides to play the ultimate bully, they will put pressure on other West African countries (or even other countries, period) not to recognize your legitimacy and anyone who flouts that order/request gets cut off diplomatically. Nigeria is that influential if you must know. Just incase you guys don't realize it, you're attempting to go head to head with the most powerful and most influential Black Nation on the planet today.

Sorry friend, the type of ignorance and poor comprehension skills I am seeing here is very troubling.

Kindly read your own post again, and see all the contradictions therein.
I am sorry, and pls don't take it personal, but there is an alarming dearth of critical thinking skills amongst Nigerians.

SilentHaulers:
Jokers. Why do you want to remain in the zoo?

Use common sense and stop reacting to issues like unthinking beings.

The OP make several assertions based on simple ignorance.
I responded to the post by pointing out correct and legitimate facts relating to the issue, things that were taught about in primary school.

You're knee-jerk reaction to my rebuttal is an indication of poor reasoning skills.

Dalek:
make i hear word, who controls ECOWAS??
no international law can force any alien to move freely in Nigeria. Nigeria as a sovereign Nation will decide who enta or not.
why usa no allow all of Mexico to enta na.
and why una wan enta Nigeria again?? shebi na zoo??

The level of of ignorance here is most embarrassing.
Your answers are staring you in the face.

Now , by your assertion, Nigeria, being supposedly in control of ECOWAS, should also be the one that breaks ECOWAS most vital and primary rules ?
You're thinking like a typical Nigerian, and therefore shouldn't be offended if someone tells you that you happily domiciled in a Zoo.., or is it a Jungle?

Rossikki:
Latest estimates put the number of Igbos resident outside their region at 7 to 10 million.

Some figures go as high as 15 million.

Is the SE prepared to welcome this number of "returnees", after they are declared illegal aliens in Nigeria, and promptly deported?

Thoughtless post.

First of all, no one needs to move from wherever they live.
Any breakaway republic would automatically be recognized by the United Nations, African Union, and most importantly, ECOWAS.
As a member ECOWAS, every Biafran would enjoy the legitimate protection of the ECOWAS charter and treaties that guarantees the right to move freely, live freely and own property in any ECOWAS country, including Nigeria.

There will be no issue of abandoned property, movement restrictions or deportations.

NewsPoacher:
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/05/state-viability-index-lagos-generates-igr-31-states-combined/

This data is incomplete, and therefore null and void for the purposes of comparisons.

As everyone can see, the data for Anambra State is conspicuously absent.

Therefore it quite silly and unethical to public a report for which data is incomplete.

centboy123456:
did u say cow poo is use to sustenance life bro u can lie oh

I guess you've never heard of manure, used as natural ferlizer for the soil ?

It's time they are start teaching history , fact based history, in Nigerian schools.

DieBuhari:
What an insult to that innocent cow.

I was just about to say the same.



Cow is probably the most revered animal since antiquity.

A cow is a wonder of nature.
Every single part of the cow, from its skin, its bones, milk, meat, blood and even it's poo are useful for the sustenance of life.

This is a great insult, and an apology is needed.

wirinet:
The minute I saw this;

I knew this is another one of IPOB's propaganda.
I repeat no Itsekiri person, even those with Igbo mother or even father wants to be a Biafran.
Igbo's can fight for their own country, but leave the Itsekiris out of it.

Lol.

You don't seem to get it.
We are all Biafrans in this Chaotic, dysfunctional feudal fiefdom called Nigeria.
The word Biafra has come to connote freedom from the chaotic and parasitic clutches of feudal oligarchy.
In this context, every Southerner, every middlebelter, every minority group in Nigeria is a Biafran.

Itsekiri or any other SS ethnic group supporting the idealism of Biafra doesn't necessarily mean that they want to be or must be Biafrans by nationality.

The time has come.
Restructure Nigeria for the future equality, security, progress and prosperity of ALL Nigerians, or, Biafra for all.

Ramaa:
When will Indian celebrities will come visit our orphans here.....!!??

If we would know how much Indians hate us....we wouldn't never set a foot on their land.....!!!

Am still wondering what's wrong with black races....!

Our ancestors fought to become slaves but now we are doing anything to become slaves.....

Now days slave masters they don't need to come to Africa to collect slaves....we go there ourselves with our hard earned money......only just to become slaves....

Well said.

Charity begins at home.

Foreign charities and celebs come to Nigeria, travel to the rural areas to aid the needy.

Our own celebrities, shallow and vainglorious as they are, prefer to travel abroad to do find their own relevance where the needs are far less than our own.

Same thing with Nigerian pastors who build multi-million dollar chapels abroad, whereas ignoring the poverty and the multitudes of needy in their own hometowns.

Iamwrath:
thank you for your contribution


out to your left you'll find your menu


You can be on your way now


cos i am done posting the same facts over and over again

simple google search will do you both lots of good

Excellent copout.
That, I give you credit for.

Mujtahida:
But you know that the representation was highly unequal.

Tell me any one historical even where there was equal representation of all major tribes.

The fact that the soldiers from 4 or 5 different tribes participated , including Housa/Fulani, Yoruba, Middle belt, Midwest, etc, is enough to refute the ignorant assumption that it was a tribally inspired coup by IGBOS.

In fact, the young coupists were young , exuberant idealists who thought they were doing the Nigerian masses a favor by creating a path for their hero, Obafemi Awolowo, a Yoruba leader ,then languishing in prison, to rule Nigeria.

Iamwrath:
Common grow up , na so una dey twist facts up an down

it's inbuilt

A more intelligent person (something that is inbuilt?) would have provided facts to back up his rebuttal.

Iamwrath:
hehehehehehehe


Something that Wikipedia and every other news channel called Igbo coup and it led to Biafran war ?


Common shurrup and stop listening to Aba radio or NnamdiTV or Biafraudian news

Unbelievable.

You rather quote your so-called news channel than to face undisputed historical facts ?
This is a case of cognitive dissonance.

The fact, the historical data shows that every major tribe was represented in the 1966 coup.