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That's a true man of honour.

The first thing that came to my mind when I heard about his bail was about his comrades. I am very glad that he wouldn't sacrifice their freedom for his.
True man of honour.
We are very proud.

drmuri:
you be real Mumu. so dull. somebody who is diabetic and hypertensive who is morbidly obese who probably drinks like fish. womanizes did not sleep until 2 am after hectic campaign he then died of heart attack how is that the fault of doctors?
most of you blame doctors since you're not fortunate enough to be one

Don't mind all these primitive people.

adorablepepple:
, abeg that thing is a spiritual arrow . They should leave the doctor

Is that another name for a simple heart attack?

DONSMITH123:
GOOD. But look at it this way. the circumstances surrounding his death.

There are circumstances surrounding DEATH death.

Ignorance is a disease.

Ignorance pervades this entire country.

Have Nigerians never heard of heart attacks before ?

Every man over 45 and every woman over 55 are potential victims of heart attacks.
Heart attacks kill more than 1 million Americans every year, and I say probably the same number or more in Nigeria every year.

One's risks of heart attack increases with age, increases the more overweight for physically inactive you are, if you have high blood pressure, if you smoke , have high cholesterol levels or eat high cholesterol foods, are diabetic or have a family history of heart Ailments.

If the deceased had a medical history that included any of the above, there is no reason to suspect anything other than natural causes for his death.

Clearly the earlier leg pains were the classic symptoms of an impending heart attack. If the doctor or hospital lacked the proper diagnostic tools to see the early warnings, then no should blame the individual doctor.

I have no doubts that the doctor treated him to the best of abilities and with the tools and health information available to him.

Nigerians should step up to the 21st century and do away with primitive ignorance. It's not enough to ride the latest cars from Japan, USA or Germany and sport the latest technological gadgets from silicon valley, then pretend to be civilized.
We must think and act like the people that produce these technological marvels that we enjoy and pose with evey day.

sarrki:
http://saharareporters.com/2017/04/24/senator-adeleke-died-drug-overdose-%E2%80%93-source

This article shows how really really stuuupid and useless the folks at Sahara Reporters are. In fact, Sahara Reporters give journalistic quackery a bad name.

The article was written by a quack for the consumption of quacks who lack critical thinking.

First of all, who are the quacks at a university teaching hospital ?
What investigative journalism did the writer undertake to determine that a quack doctor treated the deceased ?
Based on the snipers of information from the article, it's quite obvious that the deceased was having the classic symptoms of a major heart attack. Looking at the man himself, his clearly overweight status and age already marked him out as potential heart attack candidate.

Why do Nigerians find it hard to accept death by natural causes ?
Why must there always be a scapegoat to blame when someone, especially am important person, dies ?

Why would a so-called journalist outfit like Sahara Reporters be promoting ignorance on mass scale , and trying instigate bad blood, acrimony and potential violence between people,groups and communities ?

ivandragon:
PMB is very cunning but hides that fact behind a stern & no nonsense façade. or when things really go 'south', he acts as if he has no idea of the atrocities being perpetuated under his watch.

That's why I feel insulted when adminisher says that Buhari has integrity.

If Buhari had any integrity, he would not have accepted GRATUITY from Abacha, a man that overthrew his government, and probably the most corrupt leader the world had ever seen, and then even went on to defend the same Abacha of corruption allegations.

If Buhari had an iota integrity, he would have long put his country's interest first by resigning from the presidency to deal with his deteriorating health. A man of honour and integrity would let his country move on and not be dragged through the mud, through the confusion and through chaos occasioned by his physical incapacitation.

SalamRushdie:
Really unprecedented for a man that has failed us and clearly has no plan to redeem himself nor the middleclass he destroyed

It is out of shame.
Don't Forget That it was Tinubu and his Western Axis media that repackaged an expired Buhari and sold him to Nigerians as a Messiah.

Now, they are soooo stomped, soooo embarrassed at the horrible product they sold to Nigeria.
They are embarrassed, both the sellers and buyers of Buhari's messianic bullshit, to the point of speechlessness.
Only a few bold and honest ones have come out to express regret.

Secondly, Buhari's gestapo army of EFCC and DSS are ever ready to muzzle dissenters. They have been doing for the past 2 years.

Buhari's second MissionLESS journey is turning out to be far worse than his first MissionLESS journey in 1983.

JMAN05:
There were much more than 12 gods in the pantheon. I wonder where you can prove that all there attributes were merged to Yahweh.

Yahweh wanted no association to other gods. He hated all those gods and its form of worship. You cant reconcile that with your claim of syncretism.

Lol.
Yahweh was jealous of those gods. Those were the alleged words of Yahweh himself.
And we all know that jealousy stems from personal insecurity and inferiority complex.
So, go and ask Yahweh why he was jealous of those other gods.

GoodMuyis:
There is.

The volume of Yearly precipitation is not always equal to the volume of Evaporated water.
#CommonSense

Simply because much water seeps in the earth, some absorbed by plants, some by terrestrial animals.

DickDastardly:
We all know it will come to this ... don't we?

You criticize Buhari, you get the lopsided witch hunt anti-kwaraption treatment.

2019 .. we cant wait anymore!

Lol.
They think we are all Zombies.

SaintNemesis:
For all those wishful thinkers using style to wish a change in government by fake sympathetic appeal. PMB is our President till 2019 Deal with it. Nigerians elected PMB knowing he is old and have health challenges. Nobody knows Buhari better than he knows himself, the idea that a cabal is controlling him is mischievous except someone is saying he doesn't reason for himself.
If the President is still breathing and living, he is still our president, there is nothing anybody can do about that except you have a case against him backed by the constitution. Stop pretending to love him more than himself, even he dies serving Nigeria, its his right because we gave it to him. So let's stop complaining About his health, because he knows what is best for him, and we have entrusted him with thhe mandate to do what he feels is best for the nation(yes, that's how important voting in a president is) Allow him do it or take back the mandate given to. Him through constitutional means otherwise shut up till 2019 and by then vote with your head not your Emotions.

I see a Dead man walking.

I am betting that he won't make it past this year.
And this is based on recent his medical history and recent observations.
No amount of hail Marys and Allah Akbars are you going to stop nature from taking its course.

After all, death is not a taboo. It is a natural process.
The man is old, his body is diseased and giving away. It's just a matter of time. Looking at him now, that time is very short.
It's not whether one dies or not, it is how one dies.

If he dies clinging on to to power, the infamy will follow him to the grave. And Nigeria would definitely move on.

If he puts the nation first, and spends the last days with his family, he might earn and carry a lot more honour to his grave.
It's really clear and simple choice.

Japhet04:
@bolded, that I cannot explicitly say because I am a deist but I believe there has to be someone or something..

I too once believed that there had to be something. In fact, I once believed that a monster lived in our backyard.
That only makes us human. It doesn't make it true.

Japhet04:
If u agree that karma exists then u should also know that the world is governed by a supreme force..

Or don't u think so

I don't see any kind of remote correlation between reaping what you sow, that is, seeing the negative consequences of negative actions, and the idea of supreme being or supreme force .
No correlation whatsoever.

What exactly is supreme force , and how exactly is it different from say, gravitational force or the Sun's solar, thermal and electromagnetic forces ?

Japhet04:
if they do then they should believe that the universe is governed by some metaphysical and unnatural forces, which commemorates the fact that there is a supreme being.

Pls I need answers...

Cc.lalasticlala
Hopefullandlord
Seun

What are metaphysical and unnatural forces?
Kindly mention one or two that you know.
Thank you.

Of course the universe is governed by natural forces, dome which we now understand, some of which we are still trying to understand.
There is nothing in the universe that suggests that it is under the control or influence of a supreme being.
The supreme being is a contradiction in terms, and only connotes the tiny limits of human imagination.

Of course, as an atheist I believe in the law of karma.
I see manifest every single minute of my life.

The law of karma does not necessarily have to have spiritual or religious connotations.

We all know that you can only reap what you sow, and that as you make your bed, do you must lie on it.

In physics, the law is expressed as : Action and reaction are equal and opposite.

In life every step or action that we take becomes a stepping stone or building block to future events.

That's why I believe that Man( humankind) is the master of his destiny, for good or for bad.

Edenoscar:
what is karma?

Good question.

Daboomb:
You are not making sense.
Your post is riddled with warped logic or non thereof, baseless assumptions, outlandish conclusions based mainly on ignorance of the issue at hand and majorly out of a 'hateful and angry heart' that is confused and holding at straws.

I dont know how old you are in 1983 but l guess you could still be in Pampers otherwise, you wont say Buhari did not impact the society since then till he became a President in 2015.
Even the various PTF projects he initiated, the refinery he built, e.t.c, speak for themselves.
Show me one President in the anal of Nigeria, who has taken on Corrupt Judges, Corrupt Army Generals, Politicians, the "High and Mighty"...and only Buhari's name will come up.
Buhari is a "career soldier", not an academic, not a poet, and he never claimed to have a PhD degree!
Prove me wrong with facts.

All this "rule of law, human rights, due process" rubbish is what is currently "trapping us" in our current state where criminals hide under rule of law to perpetuate criminality.
But then, l know your mind-set, you are one of those who glorify criminality in the system.

Yes, Buhari jailed thieves, treasury looters, drug pushers and other vermins in the society in 1983, under a military rule.
In 2017, he is prosecuting them in a court of law, under a democratic dispensation; Deal with it.

To start debating someone like you with all the rants you wrote up there, will be a waste of precious time.

Just swerve, joor.

Lol.
I am glad you took my bait.

Let me show you with facts, that you are the very ignorant person who is talking out of emotions and warped logic.

So, let's shine a microscopic light on the career of Buhari, and Buhari the person.

Funny thing is that if Buhari had not selfishly and grandiosely embarked on this his second MissionLESS journey into the Nigerian political landscape, the myth of Buhari as a strong incorruptible personality might followed him to the grave.

But alas, this second MissionLESS journey has exposed him what he has always been; a bigoted , tribalist, visionless , incompetent buffoon whose only inspiration for power is to have it, and with it, to reward his extended family and jackboot his dissenters.

Outside of State power, Buhari has never stood for any noble, any purposeful, any progressive agenda for Nigeria.
I remind you that this is the supposed national leader who says without shame that he has no friends outside his geopolitical zone.
A confessed and avowed NEPOTIST to whom the rich and great diversity of tribes, cultures and religions is a great irritation.

Let's go back to 1983. And no, I was not in diapers.
Like a thief in the night, he shot his way in the corridors of power by overthrowing a democratically elected government. He stole power, and with the power of his guns , he threw politicians into jail,. Of course, being the coward's way of gaining legitimacy.

If that makes Buhari a strong man, then I guess you're right, but in the same way that heavily armed robbers are strong men when they invade your house and hold you and your household at the point of a gun.

Now, aside from throwing politicians in jail through his kangaroo courts, what one single achievement did Buhari achieve during his almost 3yr absolute reign from January 1983 to September 1985?
Zero, ZILCH.

In what way did Nigeria get better ?
Zero, ZILCH.

I remind you that the currency blackmarket made its debut during the inglorious reign of Buhari in 1983, and like a protracted Cancer , has been with us ever since.

BUHARI shot his way to power with ZERO vision, ZERO agenda.
It was during Buhari entry into the seat of Federal power that the Nigerian armed forces became very very tribalized and polarized along the lines of ethnicity and religion.
Just ask any sincere officer from era.

And Buhari was soooo strong a leader that his colleagues easily pushed him aside without firing a single shot.
So much for a strong leader whose lieutenants had ZERO confidence in him.

Now, you mentioned PTF. Good.
A reminder that it was Buhari's visionless misadventure into Nigeria's political life that led us in a trajectory of unending leadership Calamities, first from IBB, and then Abacha.

A strong man, a man of strong character and impeccable integrity would not have stooped as low as Buhari to have accepted to serve in a government that unceremoniously overthrew him and house-jailed him for 2 or was it 3 yrs.
I mean, how low can one descend on the integrity test

To have accepted the PTF job as a GRATUITY from Abacha, who had participated in his overthrow, and who was the probably the most corrupt leader in the history of the world, speaks volumes about Buhari's ambitions , value system and personal integrity.

To further insult us that Buhari initiated PTF programs show the extent of your ignorance.

Buhari's PTF is on record as the only government agency with multi-billion Naira budget that ran without a board or any kind of oversight.
And to highlight Buhari GREAT administrative competence, he awarded the complete administration of PTF to a single consulting company. It was that same company that initiated PTF projects, selected contractors and awarded contracts.
BUHARI was just there as figurehead, making sure his extended family and friends get on the gravy train.
The stench of corruption at PTF is a matter of public records.

Now, you think that the rule of law and human rights are impediments that criminals hide under ?
I think I want to throw up.

This is the most ASININE statement coming from you so far.

I might as well be arguing with a loaf of bread.

How very pathetic.

sarrki:
Baba you will not die now

But shall live to proclaim the word of God

God Bless you my Mentor

God will keep and Guide you

He will keep his face to shine upon you

God bless federal republic of Nigeria

Lol.

With Buhari, it's like Nigerians prayed for bread , and god rewarded them with a stone.

AlvanT:
Mr Plaetton sorry to deviate but I had to get your attention.Please can I be your student?

You are certainly welcome.

Daboomb:
As for Jonathan, the verdict is "NEVER AGAIN".
that much is clear.

Now, where inexperience noise-makers like you (probably out of inexperience or ignorance) "miss it" is that you just shout "build structures"!
What you fail to understand is that in the history of Nigeria, that statement has ALWAYS been echoed..... but as of today, "where are the "structures", since 1960?

The Point l am making is that to build "strong structures"...YOU NEED STRONG PERSONALITIES... to build such structures.
If we have had such personalities....maybe we would have build the structures we all clamour for.
How can you build string structures, when those who are supposed to "initiate it" are looting the funds meant to build it? (metaphorically speaking)

This is where people like Buhari come-in: Strong personality, selfless and ready to take the bull by the horns.
Unfortunately, nature is not too kind to him at this moment...just like we Nigerians were also unkind to him (especially that Evil genius called IBB), when he was agile and younger.

But we will make the best of what we have at this moment....and hope someone as determined, as selfless, with the right charisma, gets to replace him when he is done

Complete Bullshyte.

First of all, this myth of Buhari as a strong personality has long been demystified and debunked by none other than Buhari himself. This myth was born in 1983 when he used the power of an undemocratic government to Jail people on personal whims.
Any megalomaniac, any coward backed with the force of arms can trash the rule of law and commit any amount of human rights abuses. This is actually what makes him a very SMALL and WEAK man, certainly not the opposites.

Any man that has little regard for the sacred rule of law and human rights is very very week man, lacking self control over his own whims.

Any man who has disdain for due process is a weak man, a borderline criminal and psychopath.

Now, to give you absolute proof that Buhari is and has always been a very weak man who lives to crave inordinate power, consider that when out of power Buhari is totally redundant.
Strong.men make an impact wherever and in whatever position they find themselves. Out of power, Buhari made not miniscule of impact bon his own local community, talkless of local government area, state and the nation.
He authored no books or memoirs, championed no lofty ideals, policies, offered no development agenda.
The only thing Buhari did in the last 16yrs was to crave for power as if it was his birthright.
He is completely indolent and impotent without the trappings of Federal power,..power that obviously overwhelms his weak personality and wrecks havoc in the polity.
We are witnessing that again in this his second missionary journey ( more like MissionLESS journey) into the political landscape of Nigeria.
That, my friend, is a picture of a very weak man.

To buttress my point further, just look at the powerplays, the infighting, the CONFUSION and cesspool of corrupt people and corrupt practices at Buhari's corridor of power.

Does it look like a strong man is in charge ?
I think not.

sarrki:
It's Only God that can decides the future with certainty

Yeah.
No wonder Nigeria is a basket case country.

If god gave you a Brain for discernment, you owe god an obligation to use it.

First mistake was to leave the most critical decision-making positions in the hands of fools , who then abdicate their decision-making responsibility to god.

I doubt that even goats and cows abdicate critical, life-changing decisions to god.

Sarassin:
JMAN05 Thank you setting up this thread. Like you I hope we can have a civilised discussion.

To answer your questions, No I do not consider the "Hebiru" the same as the Hebrews, I consider them as possible forebears of the Hebrews much as you would say for instance that the southwestern Yoruba peoples of Nigeria descended from the Mid-Western Bini people.

I don't object to your position that YHWH is the name of the Jewish God and not El. My position is that it wasn't always so, I gave the example of Jacob wrestling with the Angel of God and naming the spot after the supreme deity as he understood it, It is also true that many of the qualities attributed to the supreme deity that was El as well as others including Baal were co-opted by the prophets of Israel and attributed to YHWH.

The Ugarit clay tablet catalogued KTU 1.1 IV 14. States sm.bny.yw.ilt " The name of the Son of God, Yahweh"

This text seems to show that Yahweh was known at Ugarit not as the Lord but as one of the many sons of El, at least 1500 years before Abraham arrived at Canaan.

Very correct.
The Hebrew god was a junior god in the Canaanite pantheon of gods, and El was the most high god in that pantheon.
The ugarith texts go further to list these 12 gods of the pantheon that included el shaddai, the Hebrew god. It also states that Ashera was the consort of el shaddai.

The Bible supports the junior status of Yahweh/Jehovah by telling us that the tribe of Israel , from the clan of Jacob and Isaac, along with patches land along the valleys of ancient Canaan, was Yahweh's own inheritance.
This was the so-called promised land.
This explains why Yahweh instructed his Israelite armies that all inhabitants of his promised land, his own inheritance, be mercilessly wiped out.

What the Bible chroniclers did was simply to merge all the personalities and attributes of the all the Canaanite and Egyptian Pantheons into one super imaginary deity they called Yahweh.

sarrki:
Wailers your spokesman have been arrested


Oya come and wail properly

You have absolutely no shame celebrating the blatant ra.pe of two of the most cherished Democratic rights: Freedom of speech and Freedom of assembly.

You people at BMC are being paid pittance to celebrate the most perverse bunch of vagabonds pretending to govern this potentially great nation.
Obviously, all of us , including you and your children, will ultimately pay the great price for these LOCUSTS YEARS of Buhari.

Nigeria is breaking another record as the only Democratic nation in history to be ruled by a Vegetable.

Pierocash:
I dnt knw the rocket science that ppl assume on the ownership of this ghost money.We knew frm the very day it was announced that the money was part of the last administration's loot by the sudden heart attack and death of former CSO of Jonathan Gordon Obuah,he died of heart attack the moment the news filtered into the air abt the raid of the building by EFCC
Evn most PDP starwalt didn't have knowledge of the loot,it ws subtletly diverted by Jonathan and his gangs of thieves led by Obuah without the knowledge of other top starwalts of the party.
Jonathan is a big thief,watch how his stupid defenders will flood this thread with silly attack an defense.

#IstandwithMagu

PDP Starwalt
Goodness gracious !


This is classic #idiottalk#.

DropShot:
Some of you display level of intelligence not even befitting of a toddler.

A loquacious FFK and a thuggish Wike just opened their mouth to make an unsubstantiated claim that Amaechi owns the flat without any proof, no matter how remote, yet gullible zombies decided to masturbate over it.

Na like this the youths wan become leaders of tomorrow? Zero logical reasoning!

Is Ameachi the owner of the flat or NOT ?
It's really that simple.

No amount of rigmaroling will obfuscate that very simple question.

That EFCC, always eager to shame opponents of the APC, have adopted a DEAFENING silence with regards the identity of the owner of the flat speaks volumes.

The whole world is watching how this circus is going to play out.

Aburi001:
Either lease, sale or whatever. Can YOU exchange your personal property worth $500 billion for a token $1.3 billion ?

Either is cash, credit or kind. Answer me.....

Again , I see a dysfunctional educational system as the main problem here.

When they say an oil well has $500b worth of oil, first of all, that is just an estimate.
Secondly, That doesn't take into the account the cost exploration, extraction , taxes etc, and of course the TIME FACTOR, the time it would take , the 50 or 100 years it would take to extract such volume of oil.
Therefore my ignorant friend, an Oil with an estimated $500b of oil doesn't necessarily translate that someone has to pay $500b to lease it. Only a kindergarten child would think like that.

She'll or whomever, paying $1.3b for the rights to invest their own billions of $ to extract the oil for a specified period of time would be right in line with the industry standards.

Only ignorant folks that lack discernment would be making so much noise about $500b Oil being leased for $1.3b.

Aburi001:
I'm sure it's never a corruption to sale Oil blocks worth $500 billion dollars for a token $1.3 billion ONLY.

Read up the difference between lease and sale.

Just look at this bullshit.
Look at all the 'IF's and 'MAY's.

In other words, Etete allegedly used his INTENDED bribes of government officials as an excuse , as a typical Nigerian lie, to shortchange the Russian agent of his full commission.
And from this anecdotal piece, we CONJECTURE that Jonathan(NO other so-called government mentioned so far), is complicit and may have, and then must have received part of the bribe that was supposedly being contemplated by Etete ?

What a very tall leap in logic and common sense.

Now, it's very interesting and very hilarious that none of these loudmouthed morons have ever thought of inviting Dan Etete himself, to hear from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

sharpman1:
Oil block worth $500b sold for $1.5b.

How is that smaller that $2b?

GEJ has the award of being linked to the biggest oil corruption scandal ever.

The problem with most of you is that reading and comprehension are your basic problems.

Read the British Newspaper article again.
This time, try to remember all the reading and comprehension skills you were taught in school.

1. Dan Etete , through his Malibu Oil, Acquired the said oil block when he was petroleum minister under Abacha.
How is GEJ responsible for that ?

2. Fastforwad to 2011, Shell wants to buy the said oil block from Etete's Malibu Oil in a PRIVATE, Legitimate business transaction.
How does that concern GEJ?

3. Internal BP emails show that top brass discussed and expressed concern about Dan Etete's past as a convict and that he MIGHT use part of the sale proceeds for political settlements or bribes of government officials THAT MIGHT INCLUDE the then president GEJ.
This is nothing but an innocent gossip, a CONJECTURE based on innuendo.

4. BP reiterates that non of its staff bribed or committed any wrongdoing regarding the Malibu deal, nor are they aware that any Nigerian government officials were bribed.
Again, how did GEJ's do any wrong ?

This particular scandal goes back to the Abacha days, when Dan Etete was petroleum minister, at a time most the above posters were probably not born.
Jonathan was probably still in the university by then.

To now attempt to Link it to Jonathan is nothing but calculated mischief .

And to correct the OP, it is Buhari who is linked to the biggest oil scandal in Nigerian history,$2b in 1978 $.