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 Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 9:17pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
lfleak:Long epistle indeed! I understand that you guys can only handle small bits of rational information at a time. I also know that focusing on a topic or an issue can be very tasking for you guys. You prefer shifting from one thing to the other because UNCONSCIOUSLY you don't want to face the REALITY of the life of your prophet and most importantly your religion. That is why as we can see from these posts you've been UNABLE to respond reasonably to any of the issues we have raised. Even if we were to ask you to answer a simple 'Yes' or 'No' to questions about your prophet, it would be VERY DIFFICULT because you're unprepared to face the TRUTH. Yet the TRUTH will eventually CONQUER all falsehoods. "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14: 6 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 6:24pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
Empiree:I think the JOKE is on you.   |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 6:20pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
lfleak: Moslem minds have been conditioned to equate religiousness with outward appearances and observances more than with a person's inner condition of the heart. There is therefore the tendency to forget or ignore other critical issues of integrity and character. For example, a moslem may let his beard grow and wear a short robe and "feel" that by so doing he is religious. Yet, his heart may be as wicked as that of Satan himself. In islam outward customs have come to carry more weight than matters of the heart. That is why, for example, your focus here is going to "how did Jesus pray?", "I want to know if Jesus danced and clapped his hands", etc. True religiousness begins on the inside of the individual. If the inside is rotten then every external expression becomes meaningless. The only person who can bring about that true inner transformation is Jesus Christ who said: “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” John 4: 13 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 5:10pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
lfleak:Why don't you first respond to what I posted. Are outward observances greater than inner integrity? See an example of how Jesus prayed: "Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” John 11: 41 He LOOKED UP and prayed to God THE FATHER. But beyond an outward expression his INNER INTEGRITY was impeccable. Can you show that of Mohamed? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 5:01pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
Empiree:This is the religion of Jesus Christ: "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14: 6 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 4:03pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
lfleak:Jesus NEVER practiced Islam. Jesus and Muhammad are opposites in many ways. 1. On their Sin. According to the Bible Jesus was sinless. On the other hand, Mohamed, as per the quran was sinful. In Mecca Mohamed received a command about his sin: “Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours.”(Surah 40:55) Surah 48 also says this about Mohamed as a sinner: “That Allah may forgive you your sins of the past and the future and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path…” Jesus, in the Bible says of himself: “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can you prove me guilty of any sin?” (John 8:45-46) Also, in 1 Peter 2:21-22 we are told: “To this you were called because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.”) The quran revealed that Mohamed was a sinner. The Bible reveals that Jesus was morally perfect, and without of sin. 2. Their Deaths. When he was dying, Mohamed asked Allah for forgiveness and mercy: “O Allah! Forgive me, and bestow Your Mercy on me, and let me meet the companions.” (Bukhari 724) In contrast to Mohamed, Jesus knew exactly where he was going after his death. Luke 23:43 “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” 3. Their Clash with Satan. Surah 113, Mohamed in Mecca says, “I seek refuge with the Lord of daybreak against the evil in what He has created, the evil in the night when darkness gathers, the evil in witches when they blow on knots, the evil in the envier when he envies.” On the hand Jesus exercised a great authority over powers of darkness and Satan. In Luke 4:33-35 we read on Jesus’ encounter with a demon: “In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an evil spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, “Ha! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God! “Be quiet!” Jesus said sternly. “Come out of him!” Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him.” 4. On Love Mohamed said that Allah does not love those who reject Islam (quran 30:45, 3:32, 22:38), whereas Jesus said that God all loving to everyone whether they believed in him or not (John 3:16). “For God so loved the world that he gave his uniquely born Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” 5. On Stealing Jesus’ position was: “Thou shall not steal” (Matthew 19:18), whereas Mohamed permitted stealing from unbelievers: “The people felt hungry and captured some camels and sheep (as booty)” (Bukhari 44:668). 6. On Lying Mohamed permitted it (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) Jesus said: “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (Matthew 19:18). And also: Matthew 5: “But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.” 7. On Slaves Jesus never was a slave owner or slave trader. Mohamed was both: “Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me” (Sahih Muslim 3901). 8. On Forgiving others Jesus preached forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38), Mohamed never did. 9. Mohamed taught revenge: “If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him” (quran 2:194), whereas Jesus did not: “If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew 5:39). It should be clear that the differences between Mohamed and Jesus Christ are a wide contrast – indeed as far as the east is from the west. Only those who have allowed themselves to be blinded will claim anything to the contrary. You cannot honestly claim that these two practiced the same religion, can you? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 2:39pm On Jun 27, 2017*. Modified: 9:10am On Jul 04, 2017 |
lfleak:When Mohamed compared himself to Jesus Christ in: “Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no Prophet was raised between me and Jesus”. (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 4, p. 1260) Alt. – 5834. He set himself up to (among other things) the high standard of morality that Jesus exemplified. The reasonable thing (except a person is stripped of reasoning or common sense) is to ask: “Who is this Jesus and in what ways was this Mohamed like Jesus?” Jesus was CONSISTENT in what he taught and stood for from the beginning of his ministry here on earth till the end. Jesus stood for peace and love for others from start to finish, not hatred or antagonism. Mohamed, on the other hand, was a patient and tolerant preacher of monotheism and justice in Mecca but, after the Hijrah, became a ruler determined to gain, sustain and expand his power by force of arms and by the subjugation of his enemies and even those who were never opposed, hostile or unfriendly to him. The so-called abrogation verses in the quran lend credence to the fact that things changed with Mohamed. When ‘peace’ could not earn him what he wanted, he resorted to the sword. When this happened all moral standards were thrown overboard. ‘Fresh revelations’ from Allah had to be ‘received’ to JUSTIFY his new positions. Mohamed was always excited at killing his enemies, Jesus even when he facing death on the cross at the hands of his enemies expressed only love – “Father, forgive them ….” Luke 23:34. One can go on, and on, and on about the glaring CONTRAST between Jesus whom Mohamed claim to be akin to and Mohamed himself. The Islam of Mohamed chose to operate under a lower morality than of Jesus Christ. What Mohamed’s Islam wanted of the enemies is "God's curse be on them!" (Surah 9.30). What Jesus expressed to his enemies was: “for the Son of man came not to destroy men's lives but to save them". Luke 9.55 Mohamed’s moral character leaves much to be desired, even when compared with Jesus’ Apostles and perhaps even many Christians who lived in his time, not to mention Jesus Christ himself. Of course, one of the things Islam did was to try to IDENTIFY with prophets of earlier generations in the hope of gaining acceptance of more people. Unfortunately this claim of Mohamed to be akin to Jesus Christ falls on its face flatly. Jesus Christ and Mohamed are INCOMPARABLE! Jesus Christ is "holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens" Hebrews 7:26 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 12:32pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
lfleak:You Mohamedans never fail to live up to expectations, do you? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 9:20am On Jun 27, 2017 |
Empiree:The message and the LIFE of a man who claims to be a prophet of God are key to confirming if such a man is truly who he says he is. Mohamed approved and or committed appalling sins such as: 1. Lying and murdering. Narrated Jabir Abdullah: Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?" Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The prophet said, "Yes". SARIYYAH OF UMAYR IBN ADI' Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. . He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her." This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, "basir" (the seeing). (Ibn Sa’d’s Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, Volume 2, p. 31; bold) 2. Legal Prostitution called Muta’ 3. Armed robbery/ raids on innocent caravans and peoples. And many more ... These should surely leave a question mark as to his prophethood. In contrast Jesus Christ is "holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens" Hebrews 7:26 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by plainbibletruth: 10:38pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
If Mohamed is the "exalted standard of character to follow" and what we find about his life in the quran and other Islam's holy books are anything to go by, then no person will be found in Islam's hell. If Mohamed finds a place with Allah, then Allah has no right to send any other person to his hell. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ex-muslim Who Became A Christian Tells Us Everything... by plainbibletruth: 11:21pm On Jun 25, 2017 |
Doyin400l:Not hatred but pity. Many of you don't even know much about your religion except perform all the rituals stipulated. Hoping that by so doing Allah will possibly be pacified. Other than that you have no assurance of salvation. When confronted with FACTS about your religion and prophet you deny them because you know that going by the FACTS will mean seeing Islam for what it really is. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by plainbibletruth: 2:44pm On Jun 21, 2017 |
analice107:Junia raised these pertinent questions/issues, which i am restating here, to which it will be nice to have your response: 1. Can the "New creation" (2 Cor. 5:17) be destroyed? 2. Will God "un-declare" what in his righteousness he has previously declared justified (Rom. 5:1)? 3. Does eternal life (John 3:16) not mean eternal? 4. Will God go back on his promise and cancel the deposit that guarantees eternal life (Eph. 1:13-14)? Direct references (specifically addressing each of these issues) in the Bible to your responses will be most useful. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 11:28am On Jun 16, 2017 |
ehegerty4:On your challenge on alleged contradictions: REMEMBER, you said 3 would be ok. First, it is important to note that – The different gospels recorded events in varying details. In other words, some may record the same incident in more details than the others BUT the core issues remain the same. For example if 2 people report the following a) He went from A to B. b) He went from A to B passing through difficult terrain the difference in the two statements DOES NOT invalidate or make any one of them wrong. It is just that one added more details. Having stated that lets look at 3 of your picks: NO.1 You wrote – MT 26:59-66, MK 14:55-64 Jesus was tried by the entire Sanhedrin (the chief priests and the whole council).My response: The Jewish religious groups had a head – an authority – over them at any point in time. The Jews cleared their judicial matters with that authority. This they did in John 18: 13-24. It WAS NOT a private hearing because we are told in an earlier verse of John 18 – ie. Verse 12 – that “Then the detachment of soldiers with its commander and THE JEWISH OFFICIALS arrested Jesus. They bound him and brought him first to Annas …..” So there is no contradiction here. This same crowd remained here and eventually led Jesus to his other trials – to Caiaphas, and then others including Pilate and Herod. Earlier verses of the chapter of the gospel of Luke which you quoted also clearly stated that they first took Jesus to the high priest. Once the sequence of events is well understood as I have shown here, you can see that there is no contradiction or disagreement between the gospels here. NO.2 You wrote – MT 26:63, LK 22:70 The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Son of God.My response: In Mark gospel the use of the word “again” means that Jesus was asked questions more than once. The high priest may have asked it in different ways which were differently captured by the different writers of the gospels as they were led to by the Holy Spirit. “Son of the Blessed” and “Son of God” basically refers to the same thing. “The Blessed” is the most high God. NO.3 You wrote – MK 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist.My response: Note that in John 3:22-24 Jesus was in JUDEA not in GALILEE. It was after John’s incarceration that Mark records Jesus going to GALILEE. In mark 1:14, nothing there says “Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist” What that verse states is his LOCATION after John was taken into custody. So again, there is no contradiction between these two portions of the gospels. Now here are some other Bible passages you need to understand: “There is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” – Acts 4:12 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” – John 3:36 “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” – Acts 16:31 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 9:51pm On Jun 15, 2017 |
Predictably Mohammedan! You Islamic apologists follow the same route all the time. You are never able to clearly articulate your position on ANY portion of the quran, so you resort to so many distracting tactics - "out of context", "that is not what that verse mean", "abrogation", "the Arabic actually means...", "that has already been answered", etc. When you know you cannot deny the FACTS being presented to you what you then do is run for cover. Of course, becoming crude and vitriolic does not mean anything to you. Then, also is your resort to DEFLECTION; point fingers at perceived 'faults' in the other person's in order to remove focus from the original issue. Answering questions with questions is another common escape route you guys take. Not to forget claim of REFUTATION - "that has already been refuted"; even when you have not really been able to prove anything wrong either by clear argument or evidence. DECEPTION is always the name of the game for you Mohammedans. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 4:04pm On Jun 15, 2017 |
The Taqiya of Al-Hajjaj (From THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD In the section dealing with The Affairs of AL-HAJJAJ B. ‘ILAT AL-SULAMI) After the conquest of Khaybar, one of Mohamed’s companions by name Al-Hajjaj wanted to go back to Mecca to collect the money he had with his wife and those he had given merchants. He asked Mohamed for permission and was granted. He then told Mohamed: “I must tell lies, O apostle” – ie. When he gets to Mecca. Mohamed then told him: “Tell them” So when the man got to Mecca and the Meccans wanted to know how Mohamed fared in Khaybar he hid his identity as a Moslem and when they confronted him with this: “Tell us, O Abu Muhammad, for we have heard that the high-wayman [NOTICE what they knew Mohamed as – HIGH-WAYMAN] has gone to Khaybar which is a town of the Jews and the garden of the Hijaz". He then went on to LIE about Mohamed, saying: “He has suffered a defeat such as you have never heard of and his companions have been slaughtered; you have never heard of the like, and Muhammad has been captured” He went on to tell more lies until he had collected all his money and then just before he left Mecca he confided in someone the truth about the Khaybar raid and asked the man not to tell the rest of the people until 3 days after he was gone. Al-Taqiya was a norm even with Mohamed. Those who are commanded to follow him as an example can do no ‘less’. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Christian Look At Islam’s Doctrine Of Deception – Al Taqiya by plainbibletruth(op): 3:59pm On Jun 15, 2017 |
The Taqiya of Al-Hajjaj (From THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD In the section dealing with The Affairs of AL-HAJJAJ B. ‘ILAT AL-SULAMI) After the conquest of Khaybar, one of Mohamed’s companions by name Al-Hajjaj wanted to go back to Mecca to collect the money he had with his wife and those he had given merchants. He asked Mohamed for permission and was granted. He then told Mohamed: “I must tell lies, O apostle” – ie. When he gets to Mecca. Mohamed then told him: “Tell them” So when the man got to Mecca and the Meccans wanted to know how Mohamed fared in Khaybar he hid his identity as a Moslem and when they confronted him with this: “Tell us, O Abu Muhammad, for we have heard that the high-wayman [NOTICE what they knew Mohamed as – HIGH-WAYMAN] has gone to Khaybar which is a town of the Jews and the garden of the Hijaz. He then went on to LIE about Mohamed, saying: “He has suffered a defeat such as you have never heard of and his companions have been slaughtered; you have never heard of the like, and Muhammad has been captured” He went on to tell more lies until he had collected all his money and then just before he left Mecca he confided in someone the truth about the Khaybar raid and asked the man not to tell the rest of the people until 3 days after he was gone. Al-Taqiya was a norm even with Mohamed. Those who are commanded to follow him as an example can do no ‘less’. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 1:30pm On Jun 15, 2017 |
ehegerty4:I see that you just joined NL with this moniker today. It's either that you have another moniker and now using this to try to derail the thread or you must have been so PAINED by posts here that you decided to move from 'guest' reader to being a member. Either way my suggestion to you is this: 1. If you can give honest response to comments about the topic of the thread do so. 2. Open a fresh thread for your concerns about the Bible and invite us there BUT DON'T LUMP too many things together otherwise you'll end up being confused. You don't put a whole bowl of rice into your mouth at once, do you? You take it in little by little. Is this Imam telling the truth about Islam? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 11:37am On Jun 15, 2017 |
9inches:You're on point again. Here is one of the many instances where Mohamed sponsored DECEPTION - Al-Taqiya: in Hadith 5:59.369, Moslems can lie and pretend in some situations: "Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." NOTE that this was all to be done because someone "offended" the prophet of Allah. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by plainbibletruth: 8:41am On Jun 15, 2017 |
Over 80% (eighty percent ) of Islamic texts are about Mohamed; NOT ALLAH! Islam is mostly about Mohamed. What kind of person was this MOHAMED? That is what this book set out to do. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 7:53am On Jun 15, 2017*. Modified: 9:44am On Jun 15, 2017 |
9inches:You're right . It is on record that when Mohamed preached "peacefully " in Mecca for 13 years ONLY 130 converts were gained by Islam but when he went to Medina and transformed into a JIHADIST and a politician the number of followers grew in 10 years to tens of thousands. Many of today's so called "peaceful " Moslems would not have lasted or survived under Mohamed. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 9:52pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
hfeetham0:Notice the highlighted above. You are denying quoting a verse of the quran. What i want to do is point out your LYING and then leave it at that. See what you had posted which i responded to: it's important to remember that the Quran was revealed to the prophet over a 30yr period. During that time there were times of war, many Surahs ppl misinterpret as violent, are considered the protocols of handling a violent enemy who means to do you harm. So most Muslims don't read that and think they need to kill non believers, extremists use those verses to justify their evil. A very important verse in the Quran is 'if you kill a single innocent, it's as if you killed the whole world, and if you save one innocent life, it's as if you've saved all of mankind." The extremists are enemies of Islam. They do nothing but make life harder for good Muslims.I hope you can see the highlighted. Your DECEPTION should be obvious to readers of this thread. Maybe you had even set out in the first place to derail the thread. Unless you have something better to give i may not need to respond to you again. Since you MAY be 'new' to posting here on NL maybe you need to spend some time to study posts much more than being quick to reply to posts. Cheers. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 8:43pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
hfeetham0I think readers of this thread will be asking themselves this same question about YOU! stop cherrypicking for God's sake! oo you think children of isrreal there means christian or jews? retarded...This kind of post is what makes some believe that Moslems are raised to have their brains twisted or turned upside down. Who did cherrypicking in the first place? Who FAILED to quote an entire quran verse in the first place? For goodness sake, who did that portion of the quran say the decree was made to AND WHY? don't take me for a joke... study the Quran well and come back here...I think you who must be an 'expert' in the quran should tell us this: Which set of people is that portion of the quran - Sura5: 1-32 referring to? "Those who cling to worthless idols forfeit the grace that could be theirs" - Jonah 2:8 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 6:56pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
hfeetham0:Let me quote FULLY the verse (Q. 5:32) you referred to: "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." You can see that that verse is twisted by Moslems by picking from the MIDDLE to claim that Allah says Moslems should not kill when the portion clearly states that - "We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely." So please, let the FACTS speak for themselves about Islam and not your opinion or what you were taught but you haven't researched. Nothing in the quran and Islam's holy books say that all the intolerant verses in the books are no longer applicable. If there is any please show us. 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 4:19pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
lfleak:I thought I was relating with a cool-headed person. But when you begin to engage in strikethroughs you betray your mind. Btw, you have a "partner" in strikethroughs. I can give you his moniker on NL if you care. I hope you noticed that the internet article you picked put together articles from here and there, particularly recent write-ups to cover up FACTS. If you truly seek the TRUTH one would hope that you will be MORE interested in the earliest and Islamic sources. But it seems that you're more interested in what will align with your preferred position RATHER than the TRUTH. Nevertheless let me simply quote from your referenced material: the valley of Khyber and other valleys in its north and south, were colonized by the Jews.What do these show? 1. Mohamed WENT AGAINST Khaybar, not the other way round. 2. The loot taken from there helped in enriching and further empowering Mohamed. That is a truth about Islam. A truth the Imam is willing to face up to but many of you would rather that it was the opposite and are PAINED that it is not so. 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 12:34pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
lfleak:Do You Know About the Unprovoked Raid On Khaybar? Fortunately Islamic books – quran, hadith, the life of Mohamed, etc – record for us DETAILS of how Mohamed and his followers conducted their lives. These sources show us that Moslems carried out numerous raids in the Arabian region and beyond. Let us look at just one in which Mohamed himself participated: the attack on the peaceful community of Khaybar. This is one of the best documented examples of Moslem aggression during the lifetime of Mohamed. This farming community was located about 100 miles from Medina. There is NO record that they were going to fight Mohamed. It was Mohamed that went to them. This is important because “self-defence” implies something done in response to an attack against one. It was Mohamed that went 100 miles (over 160 Kilometres) to khaybar. Let’s look at the narrations: A description of the initial attack by Ibn Ishaq/Hisham: We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757) The folks of Khaybar were not attacking Mohamed. They were farming their land with shovels and buckets, without any idea that they were expected to be at war: When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757) Mohamed attacked only after waiting to see if the people of Khaybar issued a morning call to prayer. Ask yourself: why did he have to wait for Moslem call to prayer if the people had a plan to fight or go on the offensive against him? Perhaps the best proof that Mohamed was not acting in self-defence is the fact that his own people did not understand why they were marching to war. His son-in-law, who was in charge of the military expedition, had to ask for justification: Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917) It would have been unnecessary for Ali to ask that question if the Moslems had been under attack (or even planned to be attacked) by the Khaybar. As it is, Mohamed’s reply shows clearly the apparent purpose of the raid, which was to force the Jews into Islam. Mohamed captured Khaybar and divided up the loot. The prophet of Islam tortured the khaybar’s treasurer in order to extract information from him, then had him killed (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764). Mohamed then took the man’s widow, Saffiya, as his wife after trading two other captured women to one of his lieutenants (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 758). The surviving Jews were allowed to stay on their land provided that they gave their Moslem masters half of their crops. This was NOT an isolated case. There were instances of Mohamed waylaying trading caravans from Syria and other places. And they were all UNPROVOKED! The real issue is that most of you Moslems secretly wish your prophet was ‘better’ than he was. Unfortunately Islamic books, not non-Islamic ones, vividly show him for who he was. He was celebrated then for all these [b]ATTROCITIES [/b]but would be arraigned as a war criminal today. In order to cover up the reality what you people attempt to do today is to whitewash him even when that goes against your consciences (for those who have any). By the way, it was the Khaybar raid that eventually led to the sickness and death of Mohamed. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 8:15am On Jun 14, 2017 |
lfleak:Islam claim that Mohamed is the standard. But what is his life like? It should be clear to all that anyone who disagrees with this Imam is actually displaying Islamic deception - Al-Taqiya. The man is saying that the motivation for Islamic terrorism is the quran and Islam's other 'holy books'. Portions in these books vividly instruct intolerance and hatred and murder. Those who want to deceive us claim that such passages are 'misunderstood'. Now, a question for you Moslem apologists: How come Mohamed engaged in so many unprovoked RAIDS against others; seizing their wealth and killing several? As he is said to be an 'example' to be emulated why is it difficult for you apologists to ACCEPT the fact that today's Jihadists are simply following the instructions to emulate ' the best of examples'? Will you apologists now deny even the LIFESTYLE of your prophet? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: Muslim Imam Tells Truth About Islam by plainbibletruth: 9:30am On Jun 13, 2017 |
Here is a very honest human being; this Imam. I wonder where our Moslem apologists have all gone to. Maybe they will label him an apostate. Islam needs men like this! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by plainbibletruth: 2:01pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Angel196:You agree there is difference between disbelievers and hypocrites. You understand that hypocrites are those who claim to be believers but are in disguise I.e. they pretend and therefore behave and DO THINGS as if they are true believers but perhaps not wholeheartedly. Why then is it difficult for you to see that a Moslem who believes he is following Islam correctly can see another Moslem who does not agree with his beliefs about Islam as a hypocrite? Can a Sunni Moslem view the Shia Moslem as a hypocrite? Can he then behave toward him with what he considers appropriate quranic injunctions? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by plainbibletruth: 8:52am On Jun 08, 2017 |
If vokog will be true to himself he should be able to see that be has not been able to put forward clear and convincing case to 'prove' his hypothesis. If he can SIT BACK and study the comments made by most people who have posted on this thread, he will come up with only one conclusion - Islamic terrorism DOES EXIST and has always been there in differing intensity and scope. Btw, what is a major bone of contention between Saudi Arabia & Co. and Qatar in their current face-off? If these countries recognise that terrorism exists in the Islamic world and vokog, who claims to be an atheist, is trying to 'prove' it does not, then it may be that he is actually a PROPAGANDA MACHINE for the people he wants us to believe do not exist. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims And Christians , Pls I Need Some Clarifications (matured Minds Only) by plainbibletruth: 11:30pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
aminusanti QUOTED Q. 5: 28 which as a stand alone APPEAR to say that the Moslem will not retaliate. Right? No! Not when the preceding verses or even the entire chapter is read. When the entire chapter is read we see it in CONTEXT and context is something our Moslem apologists like to drum into others all the time. In verse 27 it talks about the story of Adam's two sons - apparently referring to Cain and Abel. The verse 27 says: And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him]. It is obviously in response to the antagonist that the other brother said verse 28: If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds. And verse 29: Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers." To confirm this verse 30 now states: And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers. This is what eventually led to another portion Moslems put forward to claim a religion of peace - verse 32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. A verse Moslems twist by picking from the MIDDLE to claim that Allah says Moslems should not kill when the portion clearly states that - We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. A portion said to be directed to the children of Israel is now used by Moslems to DECEIVE people into believing that it was Allah's directive to Moslems. This is the extent Moslem apologists are ready to go in order to deceive the world. Why would someone who is claiming Islam is a religion of peace be using DECEPTION to try to convince others of his position? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Christian Look At Islam’s Doctrine Of Deception – Al Taqiya by plainbibletruth(op): 8:53pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Islamic Taqiya on Nairaland Deception is not far fetched on Nairaland. A case in point is below: ilynem:The response by a Moslem was this: aminusanti:It is very clear what some of those verses of the quran are saying. Yet he wants us to believe that no portion of the quran motivates these terrorists! HE QUOTED Q. 5: 28 which as a stand alone APPEAR to say that the Moslem will not retaliate. Right? No! Not when the preceding verses or even the entire chapter is read. When the entire chapter is read we see it in CONTEXT and context is something our Moslem apologists like to drum into others all the time. In verse 27 it talks about the story of Adam's two sons - apparently referring to Cain and Abel. The verse 27 says: And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him]. It is obviously in response to the antagonist that the other brother said verse 28: If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds. And verse 29: Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers." To confirm this verse 30 now states: And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers. This is what eventually led to another portion Moslems put forward to claim a religion of peace - verse 32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. A verse Moslems twist by picking from the MIDDLE to claim that Allah says Moslems should not kill when the portion clearly states that - We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. Why would someone who is claiming Islam is a religion of peace be using DECEPTION to try to convince others of his position? The answer can partly be found in what ilynem said: So if all these people think Killing apostates is the right thing, there are only two options. 1. It is actually correct according to Islam which means there something wrong with your religion. 2. You have some really terrible teachers giving these people the wrong ideas about your faith. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims And Christians , Pls I Need Some Clarifications (matured Minds Only) by plainbibletruth: 7:53pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
aminusanti: You know you're being DECEPTIVE! I will give details later BUT suffice it to say that the Sura 5 has much more to do with Jews and Christians than Moslems. So whilst you claim to use historical context to explain some areas you completely ignore the real context in the quran of a portion you use. Well done! |
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