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petra1:
Sharing among one another Philadelphia is different from giving to God. There's difference between giving to brethren and giving to God

"The King will answer and say to them, ‘I assure you and most solemnly say to you, to the extent that you did it for one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it for Me.’
MATTHEW 25:40 AMP

Empiree:
Obviously it is one evidence. He face many hardcore people and non of them even mention his marriage to Aisha. This goes to show you that it is nothing in thier view. And why ar eyou pretending You Bishops, Pastors are pedophilias and why are you pretending there is no "underage" approval for marriage in the Western christian world?.

Answer this: Is sexual relations with underaged children not condemned in the Western Christian world?

If your answer is not straightforward then you must be con man. So, answer me.

Empiree
Perhaps, you could have figured i was indirectly replying your girlfriend in faith. I dont have your time bcus you play 'wayo'

Readers will tell who is the real TRICKSTER is between the two of us.

All you have to do is proof to me if anyone disputed in the time of prophet Muhammad's(saw) marriage to Aisha(ra)?. And you dont want me to start illustrating child brides from your Bible right?.

For the fact that you are confused about the founder of christianity, your case is irrelevant.If i ask you now you gonna say it is Jesus. Another christian is going to say it is Paul. when you clear that out let me know.

SO, in your logic, if no one 'DISPUTED' the INTEGRITY OF LIFE of your prophet when he lived, then whatever he did was right. Whao!!
You people just simply close your eyes to the shortcomings of mohammed. Even when it is clear that his morals were less than desirable you guys still CHOOSE to disregard any such FACTS. Amazing!!

I actually just noticed that you quoted me few days ago. I didnt see my mention. But a muslim replied you already.

Don't fool yourself; your muslim brother did not reply me but has gone AWOL just like you ran away from commenting on the table presented to you.

petra1:
Not at all except you just refuse to see or acknowledge it. Types and shadow of Christ is seen from genesis to malachi. Christ fulfill those . He fulfilled offering for sin,he fulfilled circumvision . But he didn't fulfilled personal commitment in worshiping of God. He didn't fulfil tithing nor offering unto God . Neither did he fulfill personal prayer, so the fact that such things are mentioned in the law makes no difference . They are principles.

How come no TITHER teach the PRINCIPLES enunciated by these portions of Scripture?:

"Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need."
(Acts 2:44-45)


"Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need."
(Acts 4:32-35)

How come none of them can SEE 'Christian Principles' from these to draw from?

Could it be because these Christian Principles go way beyond the "demanded" or "self-imposed" tithing that modern day tithers have ensnared themselves with?

Empiree:
[b]Child Marriage in the

Swallow that ^

What has this got to do with the issue at hand?

Did the founder of Christianity do this or advocate it like your mohammed did?

You don't know where to draw the line do you?

petra1:
Then there's no point anybody keep bringing up the issue of circumcision.

A major premise of the "Eternal Principle" claim on tithing is that it existed before the Mosaic Law.

If this argument is to stand then we need to look at ALL the practices God instituted and see how they line up with the argument.

CIRCUMCISION is one of those practices that God took VERY SERIOUSLY. However, when it comes to the NEW COVENANT it is clear that the believer is NO LONGER under any such obligation.

Therefore if TITHING is still to be observed under the New Covenant those of you who say so ought to be able to clearly show how it is so. Unfortunately you've been unable to do that.

The conclusion we can come to then is that it is a made up claim to justify the unjustifiable.

petra1:
Circumcision is shadow of salvation

Like the OP wrote:

Will somebody please show me where in the New Testament we can find any of the believers paying tithes, or any of the Apostles asking for tithes? The epistles are full of discussions about giving for the support of preachers, teachers, and the poor: but no where do any of the Apostles ask for tithes or remind anyone to pay tithes. And, how can it be said that a man is not giving of necessity if he is obeying a LAW of tithing? How can it be said that a man is not giving of necessity, if he is convinced that he will be cursed with poverty if he fails to pay those tithes? Certainly, if the Apostle Paul thought he was authorized and obliged to demand tithes, he would have brought it up in 1 Corinthians chapter nine, where he asserts that he has a right to receive financial support from those he preaches to! Why doesn't Paul remind them that they are obliged to pay those tithes, and that he has a right to receive those tithes?

None of you is able to answer because you've decided to blind your eyes to the plain truth.

petra1:
They are parts of christology of the Old Testament such has been fulfilled in christ

You know you have not really answered my questions, don't you?

Is it the fact that an observance EXISTED before the Law that makes it applicable to the Church?

How do you determine which "parts of christology of the Old Testament ..... has been fulfilled in Christ"?

AbdelKabir

well, i don't know where you got this from, "very few Muslims" i wonder where you are getting your statistics from, anyway, contrary to what you are claiming that those who peruse the deen properly leave, the more a honest mind learn about Islam FROM THE RIGHT SOURCES, the more he falls in love with it, talking from experience...

Can you tell us what ”RIGHT SOURCES” those are?

Again, i don't know where you getting your statistics from such that you use words like majority and few freely just to paint a wrong impression, well, on the contrary, Islam is not a religion of blind following, it's a religion based on authentically established proofs, MANY MUSLIMS have memorised the Quran completely(one of the reasons the Quran cant be altered), and the Quran is understood if it is learnt because the prophet explained them all before his death.

Again what are these “authentically established proofs”?

DID YOU KNOW

when an imam is busy reciting the Quran in prayer, once he makes a mistake, he would be corrected, infact, he must be corrected, can you honestly answer if you can correct your pastor if he makes a mistake?

YOU KNOW WHY ISLAM IS DIFFERENT FROM CHRISTIANITY? Nobody can just come up with any theory today because before anything is accepted, you must provide a trace of that knowledge down to the prophet himself, if you can't, then your opinion will be thrown to the dustbin, this is why one of the predecessors of Islam used to say "Chains of transmission is part of the religion (of Islam), were it not for this chain, anyone could've said whatever he wished"

so i don't know where you getting the fallacy that some set of people are following another set blindly.

Pastors generally don’t RECITE the Bible.

I dont see any sense in this, perhaps you make what you are saying clearer.

Like you said “Nobody can just come up with any theory today because before anything is accepted, you must provide a trace of that knowledge down to the prophet himself” so, what Islam from the “right sources” and “authentically established proofs” says about itself is what we can use to TEST it.

Empiree:


Ask him what he understands about what he posted (comparative picture). We can start from there

If you're man enough why not comment on the table presented. What are your views on the comparisons?

petra1:
TITHES AND OFFERINGS ARE ETERNAL PRINCIPLES

The church doesn't need a command to tithe it was already a principle in the kingdom of God . Just as other biblical principles such as prayer,fasting,worship, honoring your father and mother, alms to the poor etc . These principle existed before the law came .
TITHING EXISTED BEFORE THE LAW

Hebrews 7:6
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

JESUS ENDORSED TITHING [/b]
Matthew 23:23 (NLT>
. . . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Matthew 22:21
. . . , Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

THE APOSTLES ENDORSED

It's through tithes and offerings the workers of the terbernacle and temple get their welfare . And the apostles used it as illustration here.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

CIRCUMCISION existed before the Law.
Does that make it an "eternal principle" : a phrase you still need to CLEARLY explain?
Is it the fact that an observance EXISTED before the Law that makes it applicable to the Church?

Empiree:
^^^^

Now that I gave you your own dose you run away

You run away from looking at FACTS about your prophet maybe to assuage your conscience.

I guess you cannot TRUTHFULLY confront issues about the INTEGRITY OF LIFE of your 'hero' without having to take an OBJECTIVE stand; which will be for you to choose against him.

Empiree:
Obviously you are a waste of time. You do not learn by talking trash what you considered "facts". So be in your world.


Allow me to throw this in your face since you so much about comparison by picking texts against each other.


How do you like this? So Much With Your "peaceful religion"

So, what do you understand about what you posted?
Tell us so that we can begin to see you for who you are.

Empiree:
How many people muslims have killed in your neighborhood?

Muslims usually say their religion is "MISUNDERSTOOD", but the truth is that very FEW muslims seem to know much (or have ever pursued an honest investigation ) about the true history of Islam and its founder, Mohammed. So in reality those who understand islam less are the muslims themselves.


The proof of what Islam stands for is not in whether the MAJORITY of Muslims choose to do a thing. Many muslims ONLY go by the little they are 'taught' about islam. The teaching most times is based on 'forced' memorization of CAREFULLY selected portions of the quran. Even at this, little of it is understood.

On the issue of whether muslims are all going about killing people: The true test of islam is WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT ITSELF. Fortunately there is documentation to refer to. The INTERNET has made information available at the finger tip.

So, for example islam makes killing in the name of allah acceptable. Muslims who do not believe in killing either do not know this or just simply - perhaps out of conscience sake - choose a different law. Those who choose to go with islam will 'think' and act differently.

Why Are Muslims Scared of this Book?

In THE PEOPLE VERSUS MOHAMMAD
the author J.K Sheindlin carefully looked into the Quran and the Islamic texts and came up with the shocking truth that Mohammed sponsored and was involved in: Pedophilia, honor killings, sex slavery, prostitution, racism, extortion, murder, psychological indoctrination, intellectual terrorism, censorship, grand larceny, racketeering, domestic violence, gender inequality, and much more!

Using entirely the Islamic sources and
considering all the evidence, a rational person – whether Muslim or not – can only arrive at the very same inescapable conclusion - mohammed is guilty!

Because they cannot get themselves to accept this stark fact that the man they worship as a hero is in reality the OPPOSITE of all they "THINK" he stands for muslims will rather run from the book or oppose it with all their might.

But truth cannot be hidden for ever. It will always come out.

Empiree:
you called that an answer when the bible verses are clear and glaring?. Those verses are irrefutable.

You said i did not answer you. Here is your answer for shot. If Islam preaches violence you wont be online by now. I am sure there are muslims in your hood. You would be gone long ago if they wicked.

That answers your question


This answer your question V V V V

Is it so hard for you to remain focused on an issue?

I gave you verses in your quran to reconcile with current muslim propaganda and all you do is point to a professor who

Maybe the muslims around are being restrained by fear or some other thing. I'm very sure if they think they can gain an upper hand they'll show their true colours.

Now, try again:
How do you reconcile the quran's HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam's PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating towards non-muslims?

Empiree:
I am not gonna worry myself to explain what you quoted.

Here is my question fr you to answer. How Do You Reconcile Jesus statement Affirming Command in the Old Testament, that the Commands are binding on ALL Jews and Christians?.. .

I answered your question and was waiting for you to answer mine.

Why are taking this route of not answering my questions but instead you're asking more questions?

Please CLEARLY answer mine first. Or are you running away from something?

Empiree

Fantastic work on your part!

But you FORGOT these:
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Religion of Peace, indeed!

Remember my question?:

How do you reconcile the quran's HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam's PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating towards non-muslims?

Be Wrong Or Give Wrong And Your Tithing Is Still Zero!
God has his system of doing things under each dispensation he sets up. Before Israel God had a way he wanted believers to relate with him. When Israel was created God set up a system through which his people were to relate with him and live their lives.

If anyone in Israel, for example, chooses not to follow God’s established system for his time but chose to run his life by the system of the previous dispensation, the fact that it was a God-established system will not make it right. As long as he is not following the prescribed protocol for his time God will consider it wrong. Many examples abound in Scripture on this.

In 1 Corinthians 13 we are told that a GOOD thing done in a WRONG way becomes zero. We are told here that one can give everything including one's body to be burned but if it is not done in love, such acts profit NOTHING.

The motivation for doing a thing MUST be right for it to be acceptable to God. The story Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 readily comes to mind. They gave money, perhaps a large amount, but their motivation for giving was false and wrong. As a result God’s disapproval was shown in their being struck dead. God does not accept any offering or giving that is not given with the right spirit or from anyone whose lifestyle is not right with God. (Malachi 1:10, Amos 5:22, 1 Cor. 13).

Today’s TITHING is improperly motivated because people are TAUGHT to GIVE TO GET. The motivation for Christian giving should be a grace response to the marvellous grace of God. God has done so much for us that we can really do NOTHING to reciprocate what he has done for us. What God calls for us to do is live a life of gratitude for all he has done for us.

The self-righteous TITHER will do well to look again at Luke 18: 9-14 where Jesus taught against wanting to be JUSTIFIED by what we do. If you tithe because you want to go back to a system instituted under a previous dispensation, you are doing it wrongly and that would be unacceptable to God. If you tithe because you want to ESCAPE some repercussion you have been threatened with you are doing it with a wrong motive. If you tithe because you hope to get from God your intention is equally wrong and before God such giving is zero – wood, hay and straw.

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
Galatians 5:1

Empiree:
"He said those things to those who lived BEFORE he established Church". Where in the bible did Jesus set up church?

Jesus Christ addressed that issue in Matthew 16: 18.
Now that I've answered your simple quiz you answer my own question to you:

How do you reconcile the quran's HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam's PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating towards non-muslims?

Where in the quran does it talk about living in peace with others?

Empiree:
Alright, bla bla bla....bla bla bla. Readers can see through your mind games. OBvIOUSLY you cant answer.

Let me rephrase the question but i dont need your answer anymore.

If Jesus Christ (may Allah's Blessings and Peace Be Upon him) brought christianity and he has nothing to do with old laws in the old testament, WHY he he say this in New Testament christian Bible?


Islam however let go of some of those Old Law and relieved us. For instance, Bible says if anyone changes religion he/she should be killed. Quran on the other hand say there is freedom of religion.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion" 2:256


Also, if someone commits adultery he/she is to be stoned according to Bible. But Quran says (with due process) he/she should be caned.

The list goes on. So you need to be quiet when islam speaks

You are not paying attention!

Jesus said those things to those who lived BEFORE he established the Church.
Those things applied to them.
When he established the Church he set up a new system.

But you muslims claim your quran is still for today.

If so, how do you reconcile the quran's HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to
non-muslims with islam's PROPAGANDA machinery today that the quran talks
about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating towards non-muslims?
Where in the quran does it talk about living in peace with others?

Surely, islam is not telling it all.

Empiree:
Stop wasting your time my friend. Obviously you can not refute those bible verses..

I have no problem with church started after Jesus. That's true of course. But you reiterates here that Jesus "instituted it". What is "it" and where is your evidence of "it"?

Thanks

The TRUTH is that the quran teaches hatred and hostility.

The Quran teaches inferiority of non-muslims NOT universal love or peace with others.

Islamic apologists who talk about their religion being one of PEACE deliberately remove something - the peace they claim applies ONLY to those who are 'brethren ' in Islam. The "peace" is not really with non-muslims.

Empiree:
You keep digging holes for yourself. The only way you can argue successfully is by pointing out from your bible where Jesus claimed to bring CHRISTIANITY. I dont want fallacies or unfounded stories.


Second, you said many things in the old testaments do not apply to christianity, really?. Since you claimed Jesus brought christianity, then, why did he refer to old law in the new testament?. This question remained unanswered by christians except to tell us nonsense

So clearly, Old Testament and its Laws stand.
....... They are plain and clear. John 7 verse 19 is a bombshell..........FOLLOW THEM.

Like I tried educating you but you seem bent on not be paying attention - the Church started AFTER Jesus Christ instituted it. Christianity DID NOT exist in the Old Testament.

The quran that you claim is still applicable today has many dark side many of you try to hide.
One of the ways you do so is by diverting attention away from isues in the quran to something else like you're doing RIGHT NOW.

Muslim PROPAGANDA has been refined over the years such that the UNSUSPECTING is easily fooled.

Empiree:
Stop wasting your time my friend. Why not tell ALL Americans everything in your Bible Old and New T.?.

If you ask them about christianity, they only tell u "Jesus is god, give charity and be peaceful to neighbours" etc.

But they never tell them bible says to kill whoever changes religion, whoever fornicatesd should be killed, whoever rebels parent should be killed, whoever blasphemes should be killed, dont eat pork, Jesus said to kill whoever would not submit to him etc. All these are in the bible but they dont preach it to goers.

Preach these publicly in the USA and you see christianity disappears

A quick education: Christianity STARTED after Christ instituted it. Many things in the Old Testament DO NOT apply to Christianity.

But you Muslims claim that all the Quran is still applicable today. So will you people really TELL all there is about Islam or go the route of MISINFORMATION?

My take is ONLY what appears to be "good" will be presented as what Islam stands for and not the 'real deal'.

Empiree:
Your prediction is NONSENSE.

See how Trump makes Americansense looking into islam like his brother Bush did

We can be sure that MISINFORMATION will be at the highest.

Can they SINCERELY tell people EVERYTHING about ISLAM? Very doubtful.

They will likely present what they WANT people to THINK about Islam and not what it really stands for.

brocab:
Please explain how do you connect Melchizedek and Jesus to be one? Melchizedek received one tithe from Abraham, while Jesus receive none?
Matter of fact Jesus was against Customs and taxes, Melchizedek wasn't.
And God never changes.

Kindly make your question clearer for me.

Gombs:
Yeah.. You're trustman. I see a familiar line.

But, I'm not interested in the moniker but your ideology. Your latter post caught my eye, and I intend to drive somewhere... But first...

Can you tell us why Paul had to quote the Law of Moses to validate giving to ministers in 1 Cor 9:9?

IF you first CLEARLY and HONESTLY answer my questions then I assure you that yours is a 'piece of cake' to handle.

Are you game?

BTW, what did trustman do that you have this fixation on him?

Gombs:
You write and behave like trustman


Pointless and redundant. I can as well say, Hello Trustman

You seem to look for ways to belittle others and divert attention from main issues at hand. Yet you'd be the one to be quick at calling others 'carnal', blame them for slander, wonder if they are sane, even when you do the very same things.

What is pointless here? You know deep inside you there's nothing pointless here. That is why you've been unable to take my points one by one and address them.

Whatever position on tithing that you hold should be completely scripture based and scripture backed.

No scripture supports your 'eternal principles' claim.

You have not been able to show from scripture that the Church taught tithing.

You and your pals have only just concocted a term you hope will con others into accepting that tithing still applies today.

If you claim to belong to the church the question you should ask yourself is: How did the church in the Bible do its giving?

What was clearly revealed in the Bible as to how the church gave?

Can you apply these new testament church principles to your 'eternal principles' claim?

Goshen360:
A standing ovation to you!

Thank you sir.

TODAY'S TITHER

1. Today’s tithing as pushed by TITHERS AND CHURCHES is fraudulent and mischievous.
2. The Malachi tithe was one and the same as that found in the Law of Moses.
3. NOTHING in the Law of Moses on tithing specified MONETARY TITHING.
4. ONLY AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE were tithed.
5. Changing WHAT, WHERE & WHO to pay tithe to by today’s churches means TWISTING the word of God for selfish gain.
6. None of those who push tithing can show that the Apostles practiced it nor the early church generations that followed them.
7. When they are cornered by explanation of Malachi passage they resort to “Kingdom Principles” or “Eternal Principles” – phrases they cannot explain.
8. Today’s tithers claim to be under the New Covenant yet they REFUSE to follow anything in the BLUEPRINT for the New Covenant – the epistles which actually explains what the SHADOW of the Old Covenant represented.
9. Instead they ‘copy and paste’ from here and there to soothe their consciences, even where it is against God’s clear mandate. As long as they like it or they think they are getting ‘results’ they justify their position.
10. Majority of today’s tithers do it because of any of the following:
- Fear instilled in them by pastors.
- Claims that some benefit comes from it.
- Pressure of one form or the other
- Lack of knowledge of the Christian life in the New Covenant.
11. Under the New Covenant EVERY CHRISTIAN is a priest (1 Peter 2: 5, 9) PASTORS only hold different position BECAUSE of their SPIRITUAL GIFTS. Therefore even if – and that’s a big ‘if’ for that matter – tithing were to be applied to the church, all PRIESTS should be partakers of it.
12. Tithers of today have CLOSED their eyes to how the church gave and administered what believers gave as stated in the Bible. NONE of them follow their example, NONE. How come?

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and
do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery"
Galatians 5: 1

LambanoPeace:
Hello sir.

Please what's the connection between Melchizedek's order of priesthood after which Jesus is and tithing, seeing the priesthood who received it from Abraham is still alive today and forever.

Is there any connection, if yes, kindly expound... If no, kindly explain.

Thanks

The book of Hebrews compares Jesus and Melchizedek.

Melchizedek was called a priest of the Most High God. Like Melchizedek, Jesus is a priest of the Most High God.

Melchizedek was a King-Priest. He simultaneously occupied both position. In that regard Jesus was a priest more like Melchizedek than like Aaron.

Obviously a King-Priest priesthood is superior to an ordinary priesthood.

Jesus Christ King-Priest priesthood was instituted by God himself and has been set up to last forever.

If Abraham, from whom the Aaronic priesthood eventually came, was blessed by and gave to a greater person – the King-Priest, that KIND of priesthood which Jesus Christ holds, then the Aaronic priesthood is inferior to the type Jesus Christ holds.

If perfection was found in the Aaronic/Levitical Priesthood, there would have been no need for a Priest to appear after the order of Melchizedek (King-Priest pattern) rather than after the order of Aaron.

The focus of the writer then is, “For you Hebrews who believe in Jesus Christ, you are no longer under the ceremonial aspects of the Law. You do not offer animal sacrifices anymore; you do not pay tithes to the Aaronic priesthood anymore. Because there was a change in the priesthood, there is also a change of law which accompanies it.”

petra1

There was never a place God spoke against tithing .
Jesus is our highpriest forever unto who we give our tithes.

Psalms 110:4(KJV)
4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent Thou art a priest for everafter the order of Melchizedek.


Jesus endorsed tithing .

Matthew 23:23(NLT)
. . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Honestly, i'm somewhat disappointed in these your responses.
NOTHING in the Psalm you quoted talks about tithing.
Jesus was addressing the Jews before the church began.That does not make it a standard for the church

Tithes and offerings as principles existed before the law. Also mentioned in the law. The fact that it was mentioned in the law doesn't nullify it.

The law contained certain kingdom principles . Which doesn't have end . Such as tithes ,offerings, thanksgiving,prayer ,fasting, alms , and other moral values. Why do antitithers focus only on tithes . When the rest are mentioned in the law also.

Secondly , the law is the oracle of God. The scriptures read in the apostolic days was the law. It was the law Paul told Timothy to study .
Paul quoted the law many times to the church . Not because they were seeking the righteousness of the law but because the law contains Gods minds on right and wrong.

Without the law we will have no knowledge of what sin is. If you throw out the law. Then the church looses every moral value.

On what ground can you condemn incest without the law?

The new covenant made the law clearer. There is no call for the Christian to go back ALL there was in the Law.
Understanding the new covenant makes us to know how to go about our spiritual life.

That's free will offering . There are different kinds of givings in Gids kingdom.

.
I due course



They were sin offering . It was a shadow of The blood of Christ .

Hebrews 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Why do still insist on the SHADOW?

It's not a New Testament revelation . Every worship of God has been by choice . Both in gift and sacrifice it must be from willing heart not compulsion

Exodus 25:2 (KJV)
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering.

What i'm saying is this: Do you know more about the spiritual life for the church than those who started the church?