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 Islam › Re: I Am Currently Studying The Quran. See What You Have Missed! by plainbibletruth: 4:11pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6, Rashduct4luv: If Allah destined people to be who they will be, why does Sharia order the death penalty for children of Moslem parents should they pick another religion other than that of their parents. Why not let them be and leave them alone since they are 'destined' by Allah to be what they are? 4 Likes |
| Islam › Re: I Am Currently Studying The Quran. See What You Have Missed! by plainbibletruth: 1:12pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:I want to ASSUME that your answer to my question is the 'Yes' part of your answer. The other part is irrelevant to my question. If God 'destined' some to be Moslems and others not to be why would Moslems try to convert others to Islam by hook or by crook and even kill non-Moslems? |
| Islam › Re: I Am Currently Studying The Quran. See What You Have Missed! by plainbibletruth: 7:54am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:Did God destine you to be a Moslem and some others to be non-Moslems? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Should I Disregard This? by plainbibletruth: 11:59am On Oct 12, 2017 |
Goshen360:Something for those who can think right and not carried away by emotions. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, You Just Locked A Thread That Is Not Islam Thread. by plainbibletruth: 4:24pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:Of course; if they feel like! But since it's a direct complaint to Seun they may let it be. Power can make people act in an impulsive way, disregarding other people’s feelings and desires. |
| Islam › Re: I Am Currently Studying The Quran. See What You Have Missed! by plainbibletruth: 3:37pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:It is deliberate. They are running away from facing the truth about Islam. They want to force those who will the thread to the Islamic section to accent to the Islamic creed before they can make further comments. May that is their way of forcibly islamizing people. I think they perceive that thread as a threat hence the movement. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, You Just Locked A Thread That Is Not Islam Thread. by plainbibletruth: 3:24pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:That's a common trick by the moderators to either force people to accent to the Islamic creed or reduce the visibility of the thread, since when it goes to the Islam section fewer people will see it and the Moslems can then always tell themselves how to deal on that thread. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Produce A Sura Like It? by plainbibletruth: 7:55am On Oct 10, 2017 |
umarshek6:You want things in small doses. Here's the real position: 1. Mohamed spoke the Satan inspired verses. 2. As a result the Meccans accepted him for a while. 3. Even Moslems who has emigrated heard of this and chose to return. 4. 'Angel Gabriel' then rebuked Mohamed on this verses. 5. A new 'revelation' now came countering the first one. 6. Four (4)- I.e. 1,2,3,4 - early biographers of Mohamed tell us of this. 7. Many Hadith also confirm this. 8. If you have an open and honest mind you will not query or try to cover up an event earlier Moslems said happened. 9. One question you need to ask yourself : Why, of all the hundreds of gods worshipped by the Arabians did only these 3 come up? 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Produce A Sura Like It? by plainbibletruth: 7:14am On Oct 10, 2017 |
umarshek6:Please my head is not UPSIDE DOWN. Why not present your position clearly instead of pasting an unclear upside down picture. If you understand what the book is saying EXPLAIN it to us yourself. Or are we to believe that you only regurgitate anything passed to you without understanding? 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Produce A Sura Like It? by plainbibletruth: 11:17pm On Oct 09, 2017 |
umarshek6: So, what does the portion you did not strike out mean? Be sincere enough to explain it. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Produce A Sura Like It? by plainbibletruth: 7:15pm On Oct 09, 2017 |
umarshek6:1. Do you agree that this is in the quran?:- “Have you then considered the al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the last ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved” (Q: 53.19-20) 2. If so, what does it mean? 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Produce A Sura Like It? by plainbibletruth: 3:22pm On Oct 09, 2017 |
[quote author=umarshek6 post=61241973][/quote]Satan, through none other than Mohamed himself, actually produced "suras like it". And those suras remain in the quran till today. “Have you then considered the al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the last ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved” (Q: 53.19-20) Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca. Previously Mohamed had spoken against these idols in his preaching about one-God now he claims that their "intercession is approved". This gladdened the Meccans and they lifted their boycott of him. Soon Mohamed realized that by acknowledging the local idols al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat he had made a terrible blunder. He had undermined his own position that as the sole intermediary between Allah and the people and by doing so he made his new religion indistinguishable from pagan beliefs and hence redundant. So he retracted and said the two verses acknowledging pagan idols were satanic verses i.e., the verses inspired by Lucifer, the Biblical Satan. This is Mohamed’s most embarrassing moment. Islam crumbled in the wake of the Prophet’s satanic indulgence. Mohamed desperately tried to make amends for the satanic verses and recited the following verse. “Surely Allah does not forgive setting up partners with Him; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he indeed strays off into remote error. They call but upon female deities. They call but upon Satan, the persistent rebel!” (Q: 4.116) Subsequently, the relevant verses were also modified with the final form what is now in the modern Qur'an, “Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza. And Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? That indeed were an unfair division!” (Q: 53:19-22). So, not only is Satan able to speak through "the seal of the Prophets", and meet up with the challenge to create "suras like it", the verses of a book with original in heaven are modified or deleted when the need arises! 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Before Islam Medina Was Originally A Jewish City by plainbibletruth: 8:20pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Khaybar too was a Jewish city. But Khaybar turned out to be Mohamed's Waterloo. He never forgot Khaybar but kept remembering and referring to it as the place where he got the poison that eventually led to his death. The God of the Jews made sure that Mohamed never got away with the massacre he committed at Khaybar. When Moslems chant Khaybar! Khaybar! ... they should remember that it was the battle of Khaybar that Mohamed suffered most from and later ended up dead. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: PROOF Muslim Religion Worshipers Worship Idols Instead Of God by plainbibletruth: 11:43am On Sep 20, 2017 |
Habyz:Maybe what you actually mean is that I've not responded with what you want. Cheers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Matthew 24:34..."this Generation..." Which Generation Was Jesus Referring? by plainbibletruth: 11:14am On Sep 20, 2017 |
mikeolu1:PaulGrundy and co have answered you but you seem bent on some other agenda. What question was Jesus asked? Was the question about what will happen to them in that generation? How does his answers relate to the question? These should be simple enough to help you get at a more reasonable position. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: PROOF Muslim Religion Worshipers Worship Idols Instead Of God by plainbibletruth: 10:59am On Sep 20, 2017 |
Habyz:You've not even said if my response clarified the initial issue you raised. Now you've gone off on another tangent. As you look at others do you ask yourself if you'll end up in heaven or hell if you die today? [/b]That I think is the more pertinent question. [b]If you want to end up with eternity with God choose him who said: "I am the way, and the Truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me" John 14:6 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: PROOF Muslim Religion Worshipers Worship Idols Instead Of God by plainbibletruth: 9:42am On Sep 19, 2017 |
Habyz:When food is well prepared and OFFERED to someone, until that person accepts it and eats it no benefit will accrue to him. In the same way Jesus Christ met God's righteous requirements for mankind's sin. But UNTIL each person ACCEPTS what he has provided that person cannot benefit from Jesus's provided salvation; and it's free! "As many as received him by believing in his name he gave them the privilege of becoming the sons of God by saving them" John 1:12 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tears: Ex-Muslim Turned Christian Apologist, Nabeel Qureshi, Is Gone! by plainbibletruth: 7:21am On Sep 18, 2017 |
Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his faithful servants - Psalm 116: 15 The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death. - Isaiah 57:1-2 Nabeel was a shinning light to this generation. His witness continues even in his death. He stands as a testimony to ALL that one may not have the choice as to which religion one was born into BUT a decision can always be taken to choose the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. Physical life is fleeting no matter how long it seems. Making a choice to go for ETERNAL LIFE is what counts and is of intrinsic value. It well with Nabeel's soul. He is absent from the body but at HOME with the Lord! (2 Corinthians 5:  2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Islamic Dilemma by plainbibletruth: 8:49pm On Sep 16, 2017 |
Ahmed445: There is actually compulsion in Islam. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Islamic Dilemma by plainbibletruth: 10:18am On Sep 14, 2017 |
Who is Allah’s Lord? Moslems claim (against all reason) that the quran contains the words of Allah, even if they are being spoken through Gabriel. Even basic grammar – whether of the English Language or Arabic – is thrown overboard, all because our Moslem apologists just WANT us to accept their refurbished view of the quran or of Islam’s prophet - Mohamed. Statements such as “Quran being a Divine Revelation is the ABSOLUTE WORD of God to Prophet Muhammad.” Sometimes they even go the route of accusing the English reader of not understanding the Arabic; as if translation is such a difficult thing that no human being can do it and still reasonably convey the meaning of the original. So, as we look at Q. 11:90 we can expect Moslem apologists to resort “smart” reinterpretation of a book that says it is simple and plain. Bear in mind that according to Islam, Allah is the only speaker of every word in the quran. In Q.11:90 Allah tells about his Lord. This portion, Allah speaking, states: “And ask for forgiveness of your Lord and then repent to Him. Indeed, my Lord is Merciful and Affectionate” [Sahih International] Look at the second sentence of that verse: “Indeed, my Lord is Merciful and Affectionate”. Since Allah is the ONLY speaker of verses of the quran, who is Allah talking about as “My Lord”? It is CLEAR then that if we are to go by Islam’s claim on the speaker of all the words of the quran then the speaker (Allah) is referring to SOMEONE ELSE as his Lord. The question then for our Moslem apologists is: “Who is this Allah’s Lord that he (Allah) is referring to here?” That the quran contains both words of Allah and those of man and angels should be clear to any sensible person. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by plainbibletruth: 10:39pm On Sep 10, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by plainbibletruth: 8:24pm On Sep 10, 2017 |
Demmzy15:Mohamedans use myriad of excuses and denials to cover up this Mohamed's embarrassing error. They will even query and deny earliest Moslem schorlars all in a bid to whitewash Mohamed. At least four (4) earliest writers of Mohamed's biography attest to it, in addition to the records in the quran and hadith. Yet Moslem apologists would have us change history because they KNOW that Islam stands or fall on the prophethood of Mohamed. But let's take Q. 22: 52 & 53 : "And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise." Any OBJECTIVE reader of these verses cannot but see that EVEN Allah admits - IN THE QURAN - that Satan interferes with Allah's prophets' messages. It is LATER that Allah " abolishes that which Satan throws in". How can any sane Moslem now argue otherwise? Because the quran is not in any particular sequence Moslem apologists want to use this lack of order to TWIST facts and confuse the gullible. This is being dishonest to say the least. If you are uncomfortable that Satan used your prophet Mohamed, the least you could do should be to be honest about it and admit it's true. If you then wish to follow a man whose Allah could not shield him from Satan, then that's your business. A big question is: "If Satan used him once, then on what other occasions did he use him?" Why do Moslem apologists find it easy to accept and quote an Islamic writer and then quickly turn against him when what he wrote elsewhere will expose their hypocrisy and lies, and put their Prophet in the full glare of transparent scrutiny? Why would these earliest Islamic writers want to give wrong history as today's Moslem apologists would want us to think? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by plainbibletruth: 11:25pm On Sep 09, 2017 |
The Discomfiting Satanic Verses - The seal of the Prophets - A book with the original in heaven - Satan "brings a sura like it" Islamic sources admit that Mohamed was at one time inspired by Satan to put some verses into the Quran. When Mohamed first preached in Mecca he thought that the Meccans would accept his religion. But the Meccans did not. An angry Mohamed angry then began ridiculing taunting their religion and Gods. The Meccans stopped all dealings with him and his followers. Eventually to appease the Meccans, Mohamed came up with the following Quranic verses, “Have you then considered the al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the last ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved” (Q: 53.19-20) Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca. Previously Mohamed had spoken against these idols in his preaching about one-God now he claims that their "intercession is approved". This gladdened the Meccans and they lifted their boycott of him. Soon Mohamed realized that by acknowledging the local idols al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat he had made a terrible blunder. He had undermined his own position that as the sole intermediary between Allah and the people and by doing so he made his new religion indistinguishable from pagan beliefs and hence redundant. So he retracted and said the two verses acknowledging pagan idols were satanic verses i.e., the verses inspired by Lucifer, the Biblical Satan. This is Mohamed’s most embarrassing moment. Islam crumbled in the wake of the Prophet’s satanic indulgence. Mohamed desperately tried to make amends for the satanic verses and recited the following verse. “Surely Allah does not forgive setting up partners with Him; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he indeed strays off into remote error. They call but upon female deities. They call but upon Satan, the persistent rebel!” (Q: 4.116) Subsequently, the relevant verses were also modified with the final form what is now in the modern Qur'an, “Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza. And Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? That indeed were an unfair division!” (Q: 53:19-22). So, not only is Satan able to speak through "the seal of the Prophets", and meet up with the challenge to create "suras like it", the verses of a book with original in heaven are modified or deleted when the need arises! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Satanic Verses Spoken By Muhammad - Why Muhammad Is A False Prophet: Video by plainbibletruth: 11:07pm On Sep 09, 2017 |
The Discomfiting Satanic Verses - The seal of the Prophets - A book with the original in heaven - Satan "brings a sura like it" Islamic sources admit that Mohamed was at one time inspired by Satan to put some verses into the Quran. When Mohamed first preached in Mecca he thought that the Meccans would accept his religion. But the Meccans did not. An angry Mohamed angry then began ridiculing taunting their religion and Gods. The Meccans stopped all dealings with him and his followers. Eventually to appease the Meccans, Mohamed came up with the following Quranic verses, “Have you then considered the al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the last ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved” (Q: 53.19-20) Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca. Previously Mohamed had spoken against these idols in his preaching about one-God now he claims that their "intercession is approved". This gladdened the Meccans and they lifted their boycott of him. Soon Mohamed realized that by acknowledging the local idols al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat he had made a terrible blunder. He had undermined his own position that as the sole intermediary between Allah and the people and by doing so he made his new religion indistinguishable from pagan beliefs and hence redundant. So he retracted and said the two verses acknowledging pagan idols were satanic verses i.e., the verses inspired by Lucifer, the Biblical Satan. This is Mohamed’s most embarrassing moment. Islam crumbled in the wake of the Prophet’s satanic indulgence. Mohamed desperately tried to make amends for the satanic verses and recited the following verse. “Surely Allah does not forgive setting up partners with Him; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he indeed strays off into remote error. They call but upon female deities. They call but upon Satan, the persistent rebel!” (Q: 4.116) Subsequently, the relevant verses were also modified with the final form what is now in the modern Qur'an, “Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza. And Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? That indeed were an unfair division!” (Q: 53:19-22). So, not only is Satan able to speak through "the seal of the Prophets", and meet up with the challenge to create "suras like it", the verses of a book with original in heaven are modified or deleted when the need arises! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If The Qur'an Affirms The Gospels, Then It Contradicts Itself by plainbibletruth: 11:05pm On Sep 07, 2017 |
analice107:I doubt if he seeks answers. I'd like to be proven wrong. I think he enjoys leading people on a Wild Goose Chase! Just skim through his posts and see his trend. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If The Qur'an Affirms The Gospels, Then It Contradicts Itself by plainbibletruth: 3:39pm On Sep 07, 2017*. Modified: 8:19am On Sep 09, 2017 |
Habyz: I am beginning to VERY STRONGLY believe that you are being DECEPTIVE! I hope you'll prove me wrong. That link I gave you (if you bothered to get to it) was my response to you -Habyz- on the issue I'm also reacting to here. I didn't ask you to go through the entire thread. If you choose to play PING PONG so be it. Otherwise please take time to CAREFULLY go through posts and then respond appropriately rather than rush to quickly reply to posts. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If The Qur'an Affirms The Gospels, Then It Contradicts Itself by plainbibletruth: 2:30pm On Sep 07, 2017 |
Habyz:Go to: https://www.nairaland.com/3928591/jesus-v-muhammed-muslim-response/4#59900094 and tell me what you think. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If The Qur'an Affirms The Gospels, Then It Contradicts Itself by plainbibletruth: 9:13am On Sep 07, 2017 |
Habyz:You are EITHER a Moslem who has never read the books of Islam OR it is that you're on the Islamic deception route - AL-TAQUIYA! ! I gave you, in another thread, instances where Mohamed raided caravans and carried out UNPROVOKED attacks at people. Yet here you are still claiming he didn't. Are you on planet earth? Thanks to the Internet so much information is available on Islam and Mohamed; information WRITTEN BY those who had no reason to give us false stories when they wrote them. And here you are acting as if you're plain ignorant of these FACTS. Maybe your interest is just to engage people's time and energy. If you choose not to be sincere then you're further prooving to all the nature of your religion. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Islamic Dilemma by plainbibletruth: 10:57pm On Sep 05, 2017 |
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”. - Voltair "I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6 "Come to me, all who are weary and heavily burdened [by religious rituals that provide no peace], and i will give you rest [refreshing your souls with salvation]. Matthew 11:28 "And there is salvation IN NO ONE ELSE; for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved" Acts 4:12 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” – John 3:36 “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” – Acts 16:3 Jesus is the ONLY WAY to God. That is the hard truth. You need to follow him. You may not have had a choice going into Islam but you certainly can have a choice in deciding your eternal destiny by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. You don’t have to become irrational in blind defence of a religion that promises you no guaranteed eternity with God. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Islamic Dilemma by plainbibletruth: 8:25pm On Sep 05, 2017 |
Empiree:[b]When you guys can't reasonably respond to superior arguments you resort to all kind of underhand tactics. What copy and paste are you talking about? Even if I copied and pasted why not respond to it if you actually can? You only need to check my thread on 'Is Allah Praying to Allah Here?' to see that I've dealt with this same issue before now. To make it easy, if you're up to the task, just start with Q. 1:1-7 and answer my questions. Otherwise just admit and be honest perhaps for once in your life that we are right that it is not ONLY Allah that was speaking in the whole of the Quran. Sometimes it was Allah's words, at other times it was the words of men or angels. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Islamic Dilemma by plainbibletruth: 5:17pm On Sep 05, 2017 |
Empiree:1. There is actually the belief that Surah 1 was a prayer written as an introduction to the quran. 2. This prayer must have been composed after the recension that produced the current longest-to-shortest ordering of the suras. In other words, that this surah was recorded after the period of "revelation" of the main quran. That is why it does not follow the longest-to-shortest organization rule of arrangement of the chapters of the quran. 3. The ambiguity of Surah1:5 also leaves room for doubting it was part of the quran. In this surah, Allah is in the second person. That is, Allah is spoken to. It would be strange, out of place and even nonsensical for the supposed divine author of a statement or prayer for that matter to speak to himself, particularly, to pledge to serve and seek help from himself. It just does not make sense. If Allah is teaching man what to pray or how to pray I believe the statement should read something like "Pray like this: ........" or "When you pray, say: ......" But that is not the case here in the sura 1:1-7 I'm referring to. It is the first person figure of speech used here - 'It is you we worship ........' Someone other than Allah is the one making this statement since there is nothing here to show that Allah is directing his subjects to pray saying those words. The "you" and the "we" are obviously two separate sets of persons, so as there is clearly no instruction here telling us it is a directive from allah on how to pray the only reasonable conclusion we can reach is that it is the words of man or angel addressing Allah. So we find here and elsewhere in the Quran words or statements made by men and angels. In other words, it is not ONLY Allah that was speaking in the whole of the Quran. Sometimes it was Allah's words, at other times it was the words of men or angels. Sura 19:64 [Gabriel said], "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful - Neither does quran 6:104 and 27:91 consist of the words of Allah. Look at the grammar in each case. Explain it if you will. Don't try to defend the indefensible just simply because you want to blind yourself to the defects of the quran. |
