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Aemmyjah:
Another faulty thinki
Try again

Simple: people will stop misbehaving if you punish them as soon as they misbehave.
Example: if the forbidden fruit had given Adam serious diarrhea, I don't think he'd ever go near it again

Aemmyjah:
😂
Who mention faith and hope? Was it not you?
Both go hand in hand

There are many articles and videos as to why hope is useless while faith is great. One said hope is waiting for the fire to die down or walking through the fire, while faith is leaping over the fire

Aemmyjah:
Atheist do not believe in hope. They say hope is stupid and nonsense

Francistown, come and educate this son of yours cos you both are baby atheists

Put another way. "An atheist can have faitb that what he wants to happen will happen"
If you have a problem with the word "hope"

Aemmyjah:
Nonsense
Typical of atheistic reasoning

If you want people behaving a certain way, hasn't that always been the way to get them to behave that way?
Imagine if there were 100% guarantee you'd be caught if you robbed a bank, do you think anybody would be robbing banks?

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=12 I8585435]Chai, see spiritual blindness o!

So what you hoped for will happen but how is that possible without those who will PARTICIPATE in achieving it?
Someone (Jesus) will teach some people in the true religion how to work towards what they're hoping for.
Ọmọ that's what FAITH means!

As for faith that's not by works Paul explained the type of WORKS he's talking about that it's not by practicing what the mosaic law teaches rather it's by acting on the orders given by Jesus who we can see nor have any written form of laws about him.

So when Paul says "GRACE" it simply means on your own you can't please God but you have the model from God set before you.
That is underserved kindness (grace) from God.[/quote]Faith doesn't have to be religious. I don't why you can't see that.
An atheist can have faith in the government or have faith that what he hopes for will occure.

St. Paul made clear that salvation is a gift you accept. It is NOT due to ANYTHING you did "so no one can boast". He left no room for you to twist or bend anything

Aemmyjah:
The blame is on false prophets for failed expectations but they keep grudge against God and foolishly subscribe to Atheism channel
Atheism that says life has no purpose or hope is what sounds meaningful to them in the false promise of critical thinking

One is saying time is self-existent. Imagine!
Scientifically or philosophically, time is not self-existent... They say it's a mystery to them but the creator of all things is what they dismiss based on things they don't understand

What is time to you? Define time without movement or space

isan:
I believe God exists but he doesn't interfere with human lifes , God didn't create any religion and he has never sent any mvtherfvcker to earth .

So what led you to the belief that God exists? Or are we to just take your word for it?

Maynthemayn:
That's what made it Possible for your to "self exist".

I am using it the right way, it's you that should rewind.

Universe means everything that existence, so why is your god needed when its also part of everything that existence?

Good insight. I'll answer for religionists. They'll say that this existence is obviously DESIGNED. Evolution and natural selection do not even start to explain the design.

DeepSight:
This is the way Christians always shout - "Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life!"
But a religion is indeed a way of life as well!

Nope. You got it wrong. Christians say Christianity is about following or trying to follow a person and having him as part of your life. Religion is following laws and rituals and commandments.

MaxInDHouse, you should also study this comment

DeepSight:
God is probably sexless. Even if in my private sensing the "first" vibration of existence is a feminine one.
Now, it is true that one may infer certain things about God, but that does not mean that God is truly knowable. For example, we say that God is transcendental - and yet, knowing that, only emphasizes that IT is beyond us to know.

Atheists are asking, why won't God show or indicate himself directly and clearly? He can because he is omnipotent. So why won't he?
What answer do you have for them?

DeepSight:
So you are a Christian, and in the very normal sense too.
Stop seeking to differentiate and distinguish yourself from other Christians - that is pride and ego and thus is of the Devil - Shaitan, also known as Iblis.

MaxInDHouse, study this comment

Aemmyjah:
Nonsense
How can energy be self-existing?
Scientists say that the universe is a billion years old and the world began as a big bang
Atheists rely on science especially unscientific facts such as evolution and big bang and spontaneous generation and abiogenesis

Logic tells me that nothing came from nothing
Logic tells me that life cannot produce non life
Logic tells me that order and organization cannot arise from chaos
Logic tells me that every design has a designer
Logic tells me that intelligence cannot come by chaos.
Logic tells me that laws have a lawgiver

You, MR OP are an atheist. One cannot claim to be Christian and Atheist or neither or neutral.
One who claims neutral is indecisive
One is talks favorably about religion and atheism is an atheist
Your supposition about the 7 year old is false

The biggest question is if life does not have a source and the order in the universe does not have a designer?
Faith is not gullible. Faith is not blind. One must make up his mind and be ready to defend his faith

I love science and proven scientific facts points more towards the Creator

So, atheists, what's your answers to the bolded?

But OP, if nothing can come from nothing, then where did the designer come from?
Also the 7 year old in my OP is false how? It just illustrates how easy it is - if, say, people get an electric shock anytime they do or think improperly, everyone will soon be behaving properly all the time.

EMPHATICALLY, I'm just playing a role of a TOTALLY unbiased umpire. My own personal beliefs don't come into play at all

BBIA:
No I am not.

Like I said before. Destiny and Coincidence cannot coexist. there can be one and one only. that’s what I believe in.

Their definitions perfectly contradict each other.

“Destiny refers to the predetermined, inevitable course of events or the ultimate fate of an individual or thing. It suggests that certain events are bound to happen, often attributed to a higher power or cosmic order.”

while

”A coincidence is the occurrence of events that happen by chance and have no apparent causal connection. It's when things happen simultaneously or in close succession, creating a sense of unexpected correlation, but without a deliberate cause or design”.

If Destiny exists, then all events have already been predetermined to happen, even those in quantum physics.

If in turn it doesn’t not and it really happens randomly and events happen by chance, then destiny has no part in it.


I hope now you will see what I mean.

That's why I referenced quantum mechanics. In it, two contradicting elements (like destiny and coincidence) can exist simultaneously. Which further proves there are great limitations on human brain and reasoning - just because your brain tells you something is not possible does not mean it is not possible

Anybody who can reach Seun, please tell him to tell his "Antispam bot" (wink, wink) to stop banning me for absolutely no reason. Ought not there be a rhyme or reason to banning people? Or is it that the whole affair is child's play? Or is it because atheists are losing? I am just a disinterested, unbiased umpire presenting the FACTS!! Just the logical FACTS, nothing else!

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Busybrain2233, 1Sharon, TakeNigeriaBack,
Botragelad, isan, MaxInDHouse, Fourthpredator,
seun, hopefullandlord, bobestman, Lorrayne, HardMirror, Hahn, SlawG, albreezy4eva, Muslim, Dominique, Mrbroke, EnemyofGod2,  kkins25, Wilgrea7, A001, Maynthemayn

Aemmyjah:
Bros
Comot my name abeg

I appreciate the POLITENESS of your request instead of those people that use profanity.

Request denied.

*Continuing my response to moniker JessicaRabbit
(Always remember, I'm playing a TOTALLY unbiased umpire)

* I note your last response. Please note: I said you should tell religionists how come you know scientists better than scientists know themselves. You had it confused. Also tell them how trial and error led to the hymen, and the appendix, and the fact that things that taste good (fat, sugar, and salt) are not good for us!

Continuing (remember we are trying to determine which is better: being an atheist or being a religionist). Let's use something we are all sure doesn't exist: Father Christmas (FC)
I want you to honestly answer this question:
If a child were told (before he could reason logically) FC existed and he totally believed it. Then growing up he heard people always thank FC when something good happened, and always saying how great FC was, and he develops a deep faith that FC would grant his requests (which of course he does - power of belief), and he tries to be a decent person because he was taught that's what FC wants, plus it adds a whole new dimension to his social life.
Question: How does it benefit him to stop believing in FC? How is someone who never found FC better than him??
While at it also tell us how someone dying of cancer is better than someone with same cancer but whose cancer was being cured by a water pill (that he thought was a powerful cancer drug - power of the mind).
So, as you can see for yourself, no matter how you slice it, atheists are "poorer" than religionists no matter what.

JessicaRabbit:
No worries, dude. I just felt you were being overly dramatic with your assumptions.

Posting less might be helpful, or splitting your post into numerous parts. Either way, you have to be careful. I've had plenty frustrations with this site's anti spambot. In fact, it's one of the reasons I spawned with this new moniker.

You guessed it, I was banned again for 24 hrs! I'll now only post as short as possible, let's see what happens. See my posts below.

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BBIA:
why the fvck did you quote my moniker?

* I just got banned again, hence my silence again - that'll make it 4 bans in 4 days (each time 24 hrs).

Mr. fvck I quoted your moniker because I don't want anybody to think I quit the thread. Also because, like MaxInDHouse, you posted something I wanted to respond to but couldn't because of all the bans.

Moniker JessicaRabbit I was just being facetious saying you could be Seun... but it was getting a bit ridiculous, all those bans. Maybe you have a point - I'd start posting a little at a time.

I'm not going anywhere. We must resolve this issue on this thread:
Who is more correct, atheists or religionists?
Honestly, I'd say so far atheists are winning. BUT, it's not over yet!

I'd be posting the rest of my responses below. I'd be posting a little bit at a time - to hopefully avoid ban (that is if I'm not banned for posting this!)

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goodman023:
But less than one year ago, you were on this group asking about admission and attending your own F1 visa interview.. what’s the issue?

🤣Busted!

Since I wasn't banned (as usual) for posting the above, please see the rest of my reply to jessicarabbit below.
(First part is above)

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Aemmyjah:
You're the atheist
Cunningly trying to create this thread
Atheists have nothing meaningful to teach
Just doubt nd confusion to enforce on others or subtly try to make them to adopt
Faith is not, was not and will never be illogical
Atheism is the definition of illogism

((You and FRANCISTOWN, please help me forward this below to JessicaRabbit, whom I'm beginning to suspect could actually be Seun! I get banned each time I quote "her". If I don't get banned for posting this I'll post more))

*Politeness*
(Always remember, I'm playing devil's advocate for both sides. Each side thinks I'm against them!)

Thanks for your rather patronizing response.
Au contraire, religionists would say evolution is pure magic. Consider: in, say, a million years, kazam! Monkeys would have evolved to humans? Isnt that definition of pure magic? Never mind they've stayed exactly monkeys for as long as man can remember!

Soo, trial and error did it all, eh? Trial and error is what makes mathematics aligne so perfectly with nature? It is like saying that by trial and error the universe can produce a delicious meal served on a table! But, OK o, what do I know!
The thing is, you don't know the science that you have so much faith in. People who know science very well have told you that science knows almost nothing. You patronizingly dismiss Einstein as "charmingly inaccurate". Same Einstein that came up with ideas that revolutionized our perception of our universe, ideas most of us still can't quite grasp - just by sitting in his study and conducting thought experiments, with no equipments whatsoever. He himself described himself as knowing almost nothing. And not only him, Newton, Socrates, and others came to the same conclusion - that they know almost nothing. But to you science has all the answers, yet the very best of scientists say they know almost nothing. So, please explain to our religionist friends how you know them better than they know themselvs!

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Aemmyjah:
Fake devils advocate
Can you kindly reference to us showing us where the Bible says universe is 6000 years old or any clue that suggests that date
If you cannot, you're the landlord of Ignorance
Poor advocate. Have you confirmed for yourself that Bible says universe is 6000 years old?

I keep getting banned. If I'm banned for posting this I'll
know it's a game and quit NL.

So how old is the universe according to the Bible?

subcbouy:
Actually that can be a good sign until you see another profession before you will start to complain.

"See another profession", meaning what?

subcbouy:
When you see a doctor reading from a medical dictionary book, just know that you are in 50:50 dilemma.

Actually that can be a good sign, instead of the ones who will pretend they know everything

lordnkem000:
Hi sweetheart how are you? Sorry for my delayed response, can you believe I was banned for no just reason? It's the reason I couldn't respond. I love all those quotes I swear, very sweet of you. Hope you are having a great week? Really missed you babe

PoliteActivist:
Yeah my pumpkin pie, that antispam bot is so mistake-ridden. At least you were banned for nothing. In my case I was banned for quoting an offensive poster to VERY POLITELY tell the poster to mind his language. Can you believe the bot left the offensive post intact and banned me in romance section for a week!😅
A good metaphor for how life can be sometimes. Hope all's been well with you my dear

Dear Seun,
Your antispam bot is truly messing up. It has banned me twice in two days in religion section for absolutely no reason I can see. It can't continue like this or people will simply be frustrated out of this forum

lordnkem000:
Hi sweetheart how are you? Sorry for my delayed response, can you believe I was banned for no just reason? It's the reason I couldn't respond. I love all those quotes I swear, very sweet of you. Hope you are having a great week? Really missed you babe

Yeah my pumpkin pie, that antispam bot is so mistake-ridden. At least you were banned for nothing. In my case I was banned for quoting an offensive poster to VERY POLITELY tell the poster to mind his language. Can you believe the bot left the offensive post intact and banned me in romance section for a week!😅
A good metaphor for how life can be sometimes. Hope all's been well with you my dear