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LordReed:
Wrong. Natural selection doesn't dictate that only helpful traits and or habits get passed on. Natural selection only puts pressure on organisms to survive and breed. Not eating vegetables and not exercising do not stop survival or breeding. Therefore what predisposition to health or unhealthy habits get passed on are not affected by natural selection if those habits do not stop survival or breeding.

You are contradicting yourself. "Helpful traits" are traits that support survival (longevity) and reproduction. If you eat lots of sugar, fat, salt, and don't exercise, and I eat vegetables, oils, and water, over generations there'd be much more of my offsprings than yours because more and more yours won't live long enough to reproduce

LordReed:
Like I said you are not serious. FRANCISTOWN

I still have a lot of replies before I get to you, but since you seem to be in a Hurry, here goes:

Broccoli is just a metaphor. Point is, according to natural selection, the world ought be be full of people who ENJOY a diet and exercise lifestyle that support good health, survival, and longevity. Instead for vast majority of people going to the gym is a chore, and what they enjoy is sugary, fatty, salty foods and sugary drinks, NOT vegetables and plain water!

jaephoenix:
Whats the source of all these claims?

Which ones do you doubt? They're right there on google

Aemmyjah:
Next time you tag me as along with others in wetin no concern me, I'll report
You need bans really

If you quote me again I'll go through all my recent posts on NL and tag you on all of them.
STOP QUOTING ME!

Aemmyjah:
Hypocrite
Do as I say
Stop mentioning my name
Mention others
Simple

Meanwhile you are mentioning me. And he's talking about lacking common sense! Find something to do with your life.
Don't ever quote me again

FRANCISTOWN:
What are you even talking about?
Do lions eat raw meat as a habit or for survival?

Wether habit or survival, where did the instinct come from? Why don't they eat grass like goats?

Aemmyjah:
You don't want to have common sense but you want your stupid thread to reach 100 pages
Stop quoting me
The ban is really good
They should even put your moniker to an end

Ookaay, now I get it. The small minded fellow is worried about how many pages the thread may reach. Of all things! What a VERY small mind indeed.
My dear, find something worthwhile to do with your life instead of going through NL worried about number of pages.
Let this be the last time you're quoting me

JessicaRabbit:
Ok. So the universe is vast and strange. That's precisely why we have the scientific method, a meticulous process for chipping away at the unknown, not resorting to celestial sugar daddies to plug the gaps in our knowledge. As for manipulated perception and limitations, well, that's precisely what science is trying to understand, not a justification for abandoning it altogether. And yes, even the greatest minds acknowledge the vastness of the unknown, but unlike some, they don't use it as a springboard for magical thinking.

😆 It is funny how you keep touting science, "scientific method", neuroscience. It is usually people who know nothing about science that are like that about science.
Scientists themselves know the vast limitations of science. See some comments from g.o.a.t. scientific minds below. Not only is the true nature of existence not known to science, the true nature of existence is NOT knowable through science!

LordReed:
I asked you a question, instead of answering you are asking me another question. You aren't serious.

Remember I'm backed up due to all the bans. I'm still on the hope vs faith. See below

https://youtube.com/shorts/KUopdDZkMJk?si=0_3U4t8CXnl9rSvI

FRANCISTOWN, Aemmyjah, triplechoice

Image123:
Perhaps you should stop mentioning us in what doesn't really concern us na.

Aemmyjah:
You really deserve the bans
Stop tagging everybody cos you want to entertain yourself with stupid arguments

I always wonder where they get pretentious people like these from.
How many times have I mentioned you on this thread?
How else do I let people on the thread know I'm back from a ban??
Feel free to mention me too on any topic you think I might be interested in.

FRANCISTOWN:
Evolution by natural selection is largely based on survival. That's where instinct and adaptation comes in; evolve (learn to adapt and thrive in your environment)

For natural selection to act on a feature, there must already be variation (differences among individuals) for that feature. Also, the differences have to be heritable, determined by the organisms' genes.

loving broccoli and hating juicy, sumptuous steak; loving going to the gym more than chilling and watching TV; loving drinking lots of plain water instead of sweet drinks; loving bland foods instead of salty, tasty foods.

All these that you've listed up there are habits. And habits are not inherited in the same way that genetic traits or physical characteristics are passed down from parents to their children. Habits are behaviours that individuals develop over time through personal experiences, environmental influences, and learned behaviors.

Habits are not passed down like genes. The reason we inherit our parents habits is because we live and grow up with them, they teach and correct us. A child learns from ha environment .

Even in somatic mutations – DNA changes not present in eggs or sperm. Somatic changes only affect certain cells or tissues and cannot be passed on to offspring as they are not inherited from parents. They are due to environmental impacts.

Life acquired characteristics cannot be passed down to offspring they can only influence the habits the offsprings pick.

Lemme use simple terms to explain Natural Selection.

"In the jungle. A cheetah hunts a baby giraffe. Without that food the cheetah will not survive.

The baby giraffe has to eat Mimosa tree leaves and the Acacia tree to survive.

The Mimosa and the Acacia trees need their leaves to survive.

A baby giraffe must be able to run fast enough to survive because it's not not powerful enough to kill a cheetah yet.

Once it grows into adulthood, he doesn't need that speed, just a kick and "RIP" to the Cheetah. (Hence giraffes evolved to be faster at infant lest it will not survive into reproductive stage). And cheetahs avoid hunting adult giraffes.

•Giraffes that are not fast enough at infant will be hunted and killed by cheetahs. Therefore, species of slow giraffes could not reach a reproductive stage. They were wiped out by cheetah.

A cheetah on the other hand must evolve to run faster than a baby giraffe lest it dies of hunger and won't survive into reproductive
stage (hence new generations of cheetah become faster than the previous)

• Species of slower cheetah could not reach a reproductive stage, thus wiped out by hunger.

A giraffe feeds on leaves from the mimosa tree and the Acacia tree to survive. Therefore, the
mimosa tree on the other hand must evolve to grow very fast and tall to avoid losing her leaves to giraffes.

•Species of Mimosa trees that refused to grow fast and tall could not reach a reproductive stage, thus wiped out.

The Acacia tree on the other hand evolved to modify her morphology and grow thorns to avoid being eaten out by giraffes.

•The species of Acacia tree that refused to evolve to grow more thorns couldn't reach the reproductive stage and are wiped out by giraffes.

• A giraffe that must survive must evolve to grow longer neck than the previous generation to eat the Mimosa leaves(from a tree which
are now taller), and a longer tongue to eat the Acacia leaves(from trees which now have more thorns).

•Any specie of giraffe that fails to evolve in these two aspects will die of hunger before reaching the reproductive stage thus wiped out.

Therefore. A cheetah evolved to be faster than the previous generations because the survival instinct is passed down to offsprings.

A giraffe evolved to be faster at infant, to grow longer necks and tongues as it grows than the previous generations because the instinct is passed down to offsprings.

A Mimosa tree evolved to grow taller than the previous generations to survive now taller giraffes that evolved. Same as the Acacia tree with more thorns than the previous generations.

This evolution is strongly based on survival.

Even humans are now taller and more intelligent than our generations 100 years ago.

Evolution is as sure as death. But most times it's always very slow and almost not noticeable.

Well said and well written, good example too.
Sooo you accept that:
1) Humans were DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity. If not, where did that come from?
2) Where did lions liking raw meat, and goats liking grass come from?
3) LordReed and JessicaRabbit, do you agree with him that those are habits, not heritable traits?

JessicaRabbit:
Maybe it's because the "obvious" isn't quite as self-evident as you believe. After all, even the Earth appeared flat for a long time.

Faith is not a quantifiable object to be "gained" or "possessed." It's a complex belief system with its own set of pros and cons, which you conveniently ignore.

These anecdotes lack scientific rigor and fail to account for the countless examples of individuals who find immense strength and purpose outside of religion. Faith does not automatically guarantee positive outcomes.

Bandwagon fallacy. You claim that by what individuals have internalized, it's more beneficial to be perceived as religious. This perpetuates harmful stereotypes and ignores the fact that morality and ethical behavior are not exclusive to any single faith system.

This is not an "either/or" situation, my dear. You are ignoring the vast spectrum of human experience and belief systems. Many individuals find meaning and purpose through human connection, philosophical pursuits, or a love for science and the natural world.

Any meaningful discussion requires acknowledging the nuances of the topic, not resorting to oversimplification and faulty logic. You have no point here.

*(nlfpmod, OAM4, Seun, after one or two posts the "antispam bot" bans me for 24hrs for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!! Please, I don't understand. What is going on??)

Moniker JessicaRabbit, na wa for you o. It is not everything you argue, otherwise it seems you're arguing just to be arguing. I detailed to you why it is more BENEFICIAL to NOT be an atheist in this our reality and system. Which I didn't need to do because you'd instinctively know it. It doesn't mean atheism is bad, it is just not the thing to be in this our system of things!
Let's take a practical example - YOU! Assuming you are a lady, a young lady. Let's say you finally realise you really don't know anything about this our reality - that God may very well exist. Based on that you decide you're no longer an atheist and start attending, say, Roman Catholic.
You are a smart young lady - you are not about to be brainwashed by anybody, and you're not about to become and extremist. See what happens:
1) You now have God, whom you can call on any time you wish and know he loves you and is with you in all situations.
2) You now have a whole social mileu opened up to you - networking opportunities, husband materials, etc.
3) Fairly or unfairly, you are now viewed more favorably by much of society and are trusted more by individuals you deal with.
4) You'd no longer be wasting your time fighting religion - a foolish fight because you can't make a dent.
5) You'd still have everything you had as an atheist, except the stigma!

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*(HOORAYYY!!! I wasn't banned!!! Here's more of the JessicaRabbit response. The rest to follow if I'm not banned)

Before such unimaginable immensity, complexity, and unknowability, what a wise human ought exhibit is absolute AWE, followed by HUMILITY, followed by acknowledgement he knows almost NOTHING.
NOT start spouting about lowly human science - science that can barely answer the most rudimentary questions about existence and human psyche (see "spirit attachment" below - by a top-notch scientist), and at same time dismissing first hand experiences of the divine and of spiritual attacks and experiences people have had over the ages. We are completely defenseless when asleep, and we have no say as to what type of dream we'd have. If someone says a fetish imam or pastor comes into their dreams to have sex with them and then in real life the imam acts and talks as if they knew what they did, the right response is to say you don't know anything about such, and that you hope such never happens to you. Not start spouting about lowly human science!

HellVictorinho6:
U just repeat shit from google

Then u think u saying wats new

U cant question it till u
See theres no universe

**( I was banned for 24hrs right after that my response to JessiaRabbit few hours ago, and the response was deleted. I just checked only to find out I HAVE BEEN MYSTERIOUSLY UNBANNED AND THE POST RESTORED!!! Since it seems the madness has ended, here's the half post. Following this, I'll post the rest of it if not banned):

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!
Consider: scientists have determined there are at least 10 dimensions, and possibly up to a thousand. Yet we can perceive only 4. FOUR!
Consider: our earth is is so infinitestimally small compared to the observable universe you can almost say it doesn't exist (on a universe scale, you can't see the earth even with the strogest microscope). Yet the observable universe is only one 64 millionth of the estimated size of our universe. Then there is the multiverse theory - there could be unlimited number of universes!
Compound all that with the fact that: limitations and manipulations could have been built into our perception of reality such that we only perceive what "they" want us to perceive. Scientists have no way of knowing what is really there!
Add to all that, brains and circumstances could be being manipulated on a day-to-day ongoing basis, while studies and observations are being done (we still don't know how or where our dreams come from!).

Add all that up and you'll realize, when Einstein and other geniuses said they knew nothing, maybe they were not as stupid as you think!

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lordnkem000:
She's 22. It has been done too, thank you sweetheart. My brother came through, though it came at a terrible price for me because the funds was supposed to be for my own business. It was a bittersweet feeling for me.
Gosh I've missed you so much honey, took ages to hear from you and i don't like it. Those websites are dope, trust me.
Pls how are you? How re you managing this hardship spreading everywhere? I hope it's not too bad with you? How's your health? Hope you are okay?

Wow!!! That's really tragic - losing one's limb at such a tender age! But God knows best. It's amazing how the most tragic things turn out to be blessings in disguise down the line. Bless your bro for coming through. As for the effect on your biz, you'd be surprised to find out down the road that it was a blessing in disguise too. And your poor mom. I hope she's coping ok. Thank God no lives were lost. You all are in my prayers.
Oh, I'm managing my dear, like everybody else.
Happy new month my dear, may your month be filled with the best of God's blessings!

b]*Continuing my response to moniker JessicaRabbit. I'll break it up into very small pieces, let's see what happens[/b]

Now, in response to your enormous faith in science and "reality", and your treatise on "genuine faith", "fictional being", "confirmation bias", etc., let me say the following:

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!

LordReed:
Where in natural selection does it suggest that it is always beneficial impulses that carry forward?

Your failure to understand what the theory of evolution by natural selection says is yours to remedy.

((As you folks can guess, I was banned again by the "antispam bot" (wink, wink) - any time you don't see my posts, know I was banned))
*I'll continue my response to moniker JessicaRabbit from my next post. I'll break it up into very small pieces, let's see what happens

LordReed, natural selection is simple, it is people like you that try to complicate it for your own agenda.
Simple: those with heritable traits that favor survival and reproduction will tend to leave more offspring than their peers, causing those traits to skyrocket in frequency over generations, while unfavorable ones die off.

In humans those traits would be: loving broccoli and hating juicy, sumptuous steak; loving going to the gym more than chilling and watching TV; loving drinking lots of plain water instead of sweet drinks; loving bland foods instead of salty, tasty foods.

Well, if you look around you you'd notice hardly any humans have those traits, yet according to natural selection those should be traits of over 90% of humans!

Natural selection sounds very good on paper, and very logical but it often doesn't pan out in real life.

You have a feeling humans have always liked those things and will always like those things. Just as lions have always liked meat, and sheep have always liked grass - none of that is from natural selection!

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Thugnificent:
I have seen what you sent sis. I'm Soo greatful. It will really go a long way. God bless you more and more. Good night.

Bless you too my dear and shame on that seborrhic moniker. And remember PTSD is just another ailment - only the ignorant attach stigma to it.
Feel better

Thugnificent:
Yes it is Sir

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Opay

Just call me sis

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lordnkem000:
Nice quotes honey. Am so happy to hear from you again. All haven't been well as my mom and my kid sis had a ghastly motor accident yesterday and I've not been myself. It was difficult to have them treated as I was unable to deposit 200k deposit I was asked but thank God for his intervention. Now more money is required because my sister's one leg(knee) must be cut off to stop the infection from spreading. Am so devastated because it's happening in a wrong time but thank God they both survived including the driver. Please sweetie put me in your prayers for divine favors. Thanks dear for making out time for me

Wow! Wow!!! I'm just now reading this!
Sooo sorry to hear this my dear. We play around but I know you can't be joking with something like this. Thank God they all survived. So sad though. Amputation too. How old is she?
I definitely have you all in my prayers.
Your brother in UK truly ought come through at this time.
Take heart my luv

2shure:
You are daft. In 2019.my picker at India ran away with my hard earned 11k dollars.when btc was abt 7k plus to a coin. I no craise.i got depressed for almost 2months.lost weight and abandoned my suv. 6months later.i pi ked 15k. That nite.i bought shawama 5k.bought croaker 6k.then 1 was 3k. Bought smoke of 2k.bought a crate of canned Heineken from supermarket . U come dey kill yourself on top a worthless 18k. 18k doesn't last me 3days.what can 18k buy u. Ok let's say meat of 3k....onions 1k. Tomatoes 2k....oil branded 2500....garri. few tubers of yam..maybe 2 tubers at 4k.....ewedu....ponmo......gas refill highest 2kg.....rice.. she d money never finish. Idiot. Now psycho hospital go bill u like white. Who will pay the bills. Every ducking Nigerian has one pstd to the other.your ability to overcome it lies on your spirit.idiot. uba wey chop my 20k since last year.i no kill myself. Poverty stricken hopeless ozuor

All this useless bragging, so why not just reimburse his loss

*Continuing response to JessicaRabbit.

I don't know why you are arguing against the obvious.

Simple: anything an atheists can do or have, a religionist can also do or have PLUS also possess faith in God

Simple: the way our reality is set up it is more beneficial to believe in God than not. Example: two fighters equally matched but one believes he can't lose because God is with him. Or old people who live alone but one has God. Or people who are sick - placebo. Or affirmations (prayers). All these are of proven benefits.

Simple: the way our society is set up, it is more beneficial to be a religionist

Simple: by what individuals have internalized, it is more beneficial to be perceived a devout, say, Christian than an atheist. Even you yourself know which one you'd feel safer with, or you'd feel won't cheat you.

You can't muddy any of it up by citing complexity - everything is "all things being equal" or you can't have a discussion. Or by citing subjectivity - life itself is subjective!

LordReed:
Kudos on your responses. You are doing a bang-up job. Only a small pendantic addition to this, it is actually traits that don't hinder reproduction that carry forward that is why some detrimental traits still survive because though detrimental they do not hinder reproduction. Eg flat feet, baldness, bad eye sight, etc.

I don't have to look beyond myself to know natural selection is not the answer: EVERYTHING that is good for my health and longevity, I hate to do. And things that are bad for my health and longevity, I love to do. Then there are the aforementioned hymen, appendix, etc

FxMasterz:
You don't need to agree if it's not yet your reality. But I can't deny my reality. And, on the basis of that, I know, and I know that God exists. Atheists appear more foolish when they want to explain someone else's reality away and even call it a lie. They do this most of the time. I can also call an atheist a liar for saying he has never experienced God or the supernatural.

(As you folks can guess, I was banned again by the "antispam bot" - right after that my jessicaRabbit response. Of course it is being done by a human  - antispam bots don't ban people for absolutely no reason.)
(I'll be posting back to back to back - if you don't see my posts, know I've been banned again!)

Well said Fx. Couldn't have said it better. But as the totally honest and totally unbiased umpire I am, how would you reply atheists who say this:
There are also those who, on the basis of their reality, are 100% sure you are going to the hottest part of hell because, not only don’t you worship cow as they do, you actually eat cow! You eat their god! Same god that saw them through Covid and has kept them alive all these centuries. You heartlessly kill him and eat him!

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*Continuing response to JessicaRabbi. I'll post more responses after this - if I'm not banned for posting this!

I want to emphasize, I was not saying God does not exist (otherwise I'd be biased against our religionist friends), I was simply logically trying to point out that EVEN IF God did not exist, it'd still be "richer" to be a religionist than an atheist. In other words, faith in God is in itself a valuable possession - whether God exists or not! A possession an atheist can't have. A religionist can have everything an atheist has - PLUS faith in God.
But an atheist can't have everything a religionist has.
Even the richest atheist lacks something the poorest religionst has - faith in God!
That's why I put "poorer" in quotes, but you took it literally
Also, the human mind is very powerful. It is possible our mind creates what we perceive as reality. And since the mind does not know the difference between what is imagined and what is real (assuming there is a difference), if you believe strongly enough something exists, it exists!

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FRANCISTOWN:
PoliteActivist is not my son. She is a mature lady.

One thing you should know is that, Atheism is a personal thing.
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in God, people, and anything that I can't see, touch, feel, smell. The only thing I believe in is myself and my library(I love it so much).

There are atheists who believe people, governments, parents, pets, friends. As a matter of fact, there are atheists who believe there are ghosts and other paranormal phenomena.

Does that make them less of an atheist? Well! I don't know. I mean they do not believe there is a god because they've not encountered ha. Yet they believe in those things they've not encountered. Even if they were sure they've encountered those things that others might not have, don't they think others have encountered a god that they've not had?

Anyways that's not the point.

Atheists have faith but we don't have hope.
And it's the force of faith that drives atheists.

Atheists have faith first, then act.
Theists act, then they hope.

Faith and hope are the same in theism.
In atheism they are entirely different.

This is deep, I hope your brain power can comprehend.
If you still didn't understand, I can give you some scenarios.

Please educate him.
There are many articles and videos as to why hope is useless while faith is great. One said hope is waiting for the fire to die down or walking through the fire, while faith is leaping over the fire. I don’t necessarily agree

FxMasterz:
Seun, kindly soften the ban intensity of your antispam bots from high to low. The bans can be sometimes annoying when one has done virtually nothing wrong. If you've customized your bots against Politeactivist, please free the man. If atheists are loosing, then their souls are gaining. We who have vivid spiritual experiences with God can already tell with 100% assurance the ultimate destination of a Godless soul.

Thank you sooooo much!!
But as unbiased umpire I don't necessarily agree with the rest