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JessicaRabbit:
Maybe it's because the "obvious" isn't quite as self-evident as you believe. After all, even the Earth appeared flat for a long time.

Faith is not a quantifiable object to be "gained" or "possessed." It's a complex belief system with its own set of pros and cons, which you conveniently ignore.

These anecdotes lack scientific rigor and fail to account for the countless examples of individuals who find immense strength and purpose outside of religion. Faith does not automatically guarantee positive outcomes.

Bandwagon fallacy. You claim that by what individuals have internalized, it's more beneficial to be perceived as religious. This perpetuates harmful stereotypes and ignores the fact that morality and ethical behavior are not exclusive to any single faith system.

This is not an "either/or" situation, my dear. You are ignoring the vast spectrum of human experience and belief systems. Many individuals find meaning and purpose through human connection, philosophical pursuits, or a love for science and the natural world.

Any meaningful discussion requires acknowledging the nuances of the topic, not resorting to oversimplification and faulty logic. You have no point here.

*(nlfpmod, OAM4, Seun, after one or two posts the "antispam bot" bans me for 24hrs for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!! Please, I don't understand. What is going on??)

Moniker JessicaRabbit, na wa for you o. It is not everything you argue, otherwise it seems you're arguing just to be arguing. I detailed to you why it is more BENEFICIAL to NOT be an atheist in this our reality and system. Which I didn't need to do because you'd instinctively know it. It doesn't mean atheism is bad, it is just not the thing to be in this our system of things!
Let's take a practical example - YOU! Assuming you are a lady, a young lady. Let's say you finally realise you really don't know anything about this our reality - that God may very well exist. Based on that you decide you're no longer an atheist and start attending, say, Roman Catholic.
You are a smart young lady - you are not about to be brainwashed by anybody, and you're not about to become and extremist. See what happens:
1) You now have God, whom you can call on any time you wish and know he loves you and is with you in all situations.
2) You now have a whole social mileu opened up to you - networking opportunities, husband materials, etc.
3) Fairly or unfairly, you are now viewed more favorably by much of society and are trusted more by individuals you deal with.
4) You'd no longer be wasting your time fighting religion - a foolish fight because you can't make a dent.
5) You'd still have everything you had as an atheist, except the stigma!

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*(HOORAYYY!!! I wasn't banned!!! Here's more of the JessicaRabbit response. The rest to follow if I'm not banned)

Before such unimaginable immensity, complexity, and unknowability, what a wise human ought exhibit is absolute AWE, followed by HUMILITY, followed by acknowledgement he knows almost NOTHING.
NOT start spouting about lowly human science - science that can barely answer the most rudimentary questions about existence and human psyche (see "spirit attachment" below - by a top-notch scientist), and at same time dismissing first hand experiences of the divine and of spiritual attacks and experiences people have had over the ages. We are completely defenseless when asleep, and we have no say as to what type of dream we'd have. If someone says a fetish imam or pastor comes into their dreams to have sex with them and then in real life the imam acts and talks as if they knew what they did, the right response is to say you don't know anything about such, and that you hope such never happens to you. Not start spouting about lowly human science!

HellVictorinho6:
U just repeat shit from google

Then u think u saying wats new

U cant question it till u
See theres no universe

**( I was banned for 24hrs right after that my response to JessiaRabbit few hours ago, and the response was deleted. I just checked only to find out I HAVE BEEN MYSTERIOUSLY UNBANNED AND THE POST RESTORED!!! Since it seems the madness has ended, here's the half post. Following this, I'll post the rest of it if not banned):

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!
Consider: scientists have determined there are at least 10 dimensions, and possibly up to a thousand. Yet we can perceive only 4. FOUR!
Consider: our earth is is so infinitestimally small compared to the observable universe you can almost say it doesn't exist (on a universe scale, you can't see the earth even with the strogest microscope). Yet the observable universe is only one 64 millionth of the estimated size of our universe. Then there is the multiverse theory - there could be unlimited number of universes!
Compound all that with the fact that: limitations and manipulations could have been built into our perception of reality such that we only perceive what "they" want us to perceive. Scientists have no way of knowing what is really there!
Add to all that, brains and circumstances could be being manipulated on a day-to-day ongoing basis, while studies and observations are being done (we still don't know how or where our dreams come from!).

Add all that up and you'll realize, when Einstein and other geniuses said they knew nothing, maybe they were not as stupid as you think!

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lordnkem000:
She's 22. It has been done too, thank you sweetheart. My brother came through, though it came at a terrible price for me because the funds was supposed to be for my own business. It was a bittersweet feeling for me.
Gosh I've missed you so much honey, took ages to hear from you and i don't like it. Those websites are dope, trust me.
Pls how are you? How re you managing this hardship spreading everywhere? I hope it's not too bad with you? How's your health? Hope you are okay?

Wow!!! That's really tragic - losing one's limb at such a tender age! But God knows best. It's amazing how the most tragic things turn out to be blessings in disguise down the line. Bless your bro for coming through. As for the effect on your biz, you'd be surprised to find out down the road that it was a blessing in disguise too. And your poor mom. I hope she's coping ok. Thank God no lives were lost. You all are in my prayers.
Oh, I'm managing my dear, like everybody else.
Happy new month my dear, may your month be filled with the best of God's blessings!

b]*Continuing my response to moniker JessicaRabbit. I'll break it up into very small pieces, let's see what happens[/b]

Now, in response to your enormous faith in science and "reality", and your treatise on "genuine faith", "fictional being", "confirmation bias", etc., let me say the following:

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!

LordReed:
Where in natural selection does it suggest that it is always beneficial impulses that carry forward?

Your failure to understand what the theory of evolution by natural selection says is yours to remedy.

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*I'll continue my response to moniker JessicaRabbit from my next post. I'll break it up into very small pieces, let's see what happens

LordReed, natural selection is simple, it is people like you that try to complicate it for your own agenda.
Simple: those with heritable traits that favor survival and reproduction will tend to leave more offspring than their peers, causing those traits to skyrocket in frequency over generations, while unfavorable ones die off.

In humans those traits would be: loving broccoli and hating juicy, sumptuous steak; loving going to the gym more than chilling and watching TV; loving drinking lots of plain water instead of sweet drinks; loving bland foods instead of salty, tasty foods.

Well, if you look around you you'd notice hardly any humans have those traits, yet according to natural selection those should be traits of over 90% of humans!

Natural selection sounds very good on paper, and very logical but it often doesn't pan out in real life.

You have a feeling humans have always liked those things and will always like those things. Just as lions have always liked meat, and sheep have always liked grass - none of that is from natural selection!

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Thugnificent:
I have seen what you sent sis. I'm Soo greatful. It will really go a long way. God bless you more and more. Good night.

Bless you too my dear and shame on that seborrhic moniker. And remember PTSD is just another ailment - only the ignorant attach stigma to it.
Feel better

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Just call me sis

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lordnkem000:
Nice quotes honey. Am so happy to hear from you again. All haven't been well as my mom and my kid sis had a ghastly motor accident yesterday and I've not been myself. It was difficult to have them treated as I was unable to deposit 200k deposit I was asked but thank God for his intervention. Now more money is required because my sister's one leg(knee) must be cut off to stop the infection from spreading. Am so devastated because it's happening in a wrong time but thank God they both survived including the driver. Please sweetie put me in your prayers for divine favors. Thanks dear for making out time for me

Wow! Wow!!! I'm just now reading this!
Sooo sorry to hear this my dear. We play around but I know you can't be joking with something like this. Thank God they all survived. So sad though. Amputation too. How old is she?
I definitely have you all in my prayers.
Your brother in UK truly ought come through at this time.
Take heart my luv

2shure:
You are daft. In 2019.my picker at India ran away with my hard earned 11k dollars.when btc was abt 7k plus to a coin. I no craise.i got depressed for almost 2months.lost weight and abandoned my suv. 6months later.i pi ked 15k. That nite.i bought shawama 5k.bought croaker 6k.then 1 was 3k. Bought smoke of 2k.bought a crate of canned Heineken from supermarket . U come dey kill yourself on top a worthless 18k. 18k doesn't last me 3days.what can 18k buy u. Ok let's say meat of 3k....onions 1k. Tomatoes 2k....oil branded 2500....garri. few tubers of yam..maybe 2 tubers at 4k.....ewedu....ponmo......gas refill highest 2kg.....rice.. she d money never finish. Idiot. Now psycho hospital go bill u like white. Who will pay the bills. Every ducking Nigerian has one pstd to the other.your ability to overcome it lies on your spirit.idiot. uba wey chop my 20k since last year.i no kill myself. Poverty stricken hopeless ozuor

All this useless bragging, so why not just reimburse his loss

*Continuing response to JessicaRabbit.

I don't know why you are arguing against the obvious.

Simple: anything an atheists can do or have, a religionist can also do or have PLUS also possess faith in God

Simple: the way our reality is set up it is more beneficial to believe in God than not. Example: two fighters equally matched but one believes he can't lose because God is with him. Or old people who live alone but one has God. Or people who are sick - placebo. Or affirmations (prayers). All these are of proven benefits.

Simple: the way our society is set up, it is more beneficial to be a religionist

Simple: by what individuals have internalized, it is more beneficial to be perceived a devout, say, Christian than an atheist. Even you yourself know which one you'd feel safer with, or you'd feel won't cheat you.

You can't muddy any of it up by citing complexity - everything is "all things being equal" or you can't have a discussion. Or by citing subjectivity - life itself is subjective!

LordReed:
Kudos on your responses. You are doing a bang-up job. Only a small pendantic addition to this, it is actually traits that don't hinder reproduction that carry forward that is why some detrimental traits still survive because though detrimental they do not hinder reproduction. Eg flat feet, baldness, bad eye sight, etc.

I don't have to look beyond myself to know natural selection is not the answer: EVERYTHING that is good for my health and longevity, I hate to do. And things that are bad for my health and longevity, I love to do. Then there are the aforementioned hymen, appendix, etc

FxMasterz:
You don't need to agree if it's not yet your reality. But I can't deny my reality. And, on the basis of that, I know, and I know that God exists. Atheists appear more foolish when they want to explain someone else's reality away and even call it a lie. They do this most of the time. I can also call an atheist a liar for saying he has never experienced God or the supernatural.

(As you folks can guess, I was banned again by the "antispam bot" - right after that my jessicaRabbit response. Of course it is being done by a human  - antispam bots don't ban people for absolutely no reason.)
(I'll be posting back to back to back - if you don't see my posts, know I've been banned again!)

Well said Fx. Couldn't have said it better. But as the totally honest and totally unbiased umpire I am, how would you reply atheists who say this:
There are also those who, on the basis of their reality, are 100% sure you are going to the hottest part of hell because, not only don’t you worship cow as they do, you actually eat cow! You eat their god! Same god that saw them through Covid and has kept them alive all these centuries. You heartlessly kill him and eat him!

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*Continuing response to JessicaRabbi. I'll post more responses after this - if I'm not banned for posting this!

I want to emphasize, I was not saying God does not exist (otherwise I'd be biased against our religionist friends), I was simply logically trying to point out that EVEN IF God did not exist, it'd still be "richer" to be a religionist than an atheist. In other words, faith in God is in itself a valuable possession - whether God exists or not! A possession an atheist can't have. A religionist can have everything an atheist has - PLUS faith in God.
But an atheist can't have everything a religionist has.
Even the richest atheist lacks something the poorest religionst has - faith in God!
That's why I put "poorer" in quotes, but you took it literally
Also, the human mind is very powerful. It is possible our mind creates what we perceive as reality. And since the mind does not know the difference between what is imagined and what is real (assuming there is a difference), if you believe strongly enough something exists, it exists!

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FRANCISTOWN:
PoliteActivist is not my son. She is a mature lady.

One thing you should know is that, Atheism is a personal thing.
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in God, people, and anything that I can't see, touch, feel, smell. The only thing I believe in is myself and my library(I love it so much).

There are atheists who believe people, governments, parents, pets, friends. As a matter of fact, there are atheists who believe there are ghosts and other paranormal phenomena.

Does that make them less of an atheist? Well! I don't know. I mean they do not believe there is a god because they've not encountered ha. Yet they believe in those things they've not encountered. Even if they were sure they've encountered those things that others might not have, don't they think others have encountered a god that they've not had?

Anyways that's not the point.

Atheists have faith but we don't have hope.
And it's the force of faith that drives atheists.

Atheists have faith first, then act.
Theists act, then they hope.

Faith and hope are the same in theism.
In atheism they are entirely different.

This is deep, I hope your brain power can comprehend.
If you still didn't understand, I can give you some scenarios.

Please educate him.
There are many articles and videos as to why hope is useless while faith is great. One said hope is waiting for the fire to die down or walking through the fire, while faith is leaping over the fire. I don’t necessarily agree

FxMasterz:
Seun, kindly soften the ban intensity of your antispam bots from high to low. The bans can be sometimes annoying when one has done virtually nothing wrong. If you've customized your bots against Politeactivist, please free the man. If atheists are loosing, then their souls are gaining. We who have vivid spiritual experiences with God can already tell with 100% assurance the ultimate destination of a Godless soul.

Thank you sooooo much!!
But as unbiased umpire I don't necessarily agree with the rest

Aemmyjah:
Another faulty thinki
Try again

Simple: people will stop misbehaving if you punish them as soon as they misbehave.
Example: if the forbidden fruit had given Adam serious diarrhea, I don't think he'd ever go near it again

Aemmyjah:
😂
Who mention faith and hope? Was it not you?
Both go hand in hand

There are many articles and videos as to why hope is useless while faith is great. One said hope is waiting for the fire to die down or walking through the fire, while faith is leaping over the fire

Aemmyjah:
Atheist do not believe in hope. They say hope is stupid and nonsense

Francistown, come and educate this son of yours cos you both are baby atheists

Put another way. "An atheist can have faitb that what he wants to happen will happen"
If you have a problem with the word "hope"

Aemmyjah:
Nonsense
Typical of atheistic reasoning

If you want people behaving a certain way, hasn't that always been the way to get them to behave that way?
Imagine if there were 100% guarantee you'd be caught if you robbed a bank, do you think anybody would be robbing banks?

MaxInDHouse post=12 I8585435:
Chai, see spiritual blindness o!

So what you hoped for will happen but how is that possible without those who will PARTICIPATE in achieving it?
Someone (Jesus) will teach some people in the true religion how to work towards what they're hoping for.
Ọmọ that's what FAITH means!

As for faith that's not by works Paul explained the type of WORKS he's talking about that it's not by practicing what the mosaic law teaches rather it's by acting on the orders given by Jesus who we can see nor have any written form of laws about him.

So when Paul says "GRACE" it simply means on your own you can't please God but you have the model from God set before you.
That is underserved kindness (grace) from God.

Faith doesn't have to be religious. I don't why you can't see that.
An atheist can have faith in the government or have faith that what he hopes for will occure.

St. Paul made clear that salvation is a gift you accept. It is NOT due to ANYTHING you did "so no one can boast". He left no room for you to twist or bend anything

Aemmyjah:
The blame is on false prophets for failed expectations but they keep grudge against God and foolishly subscribe to Atheism channel
Atheism that says life has no purpose or hope is what sounds meaningful to them in the false promise of critical thinking

One is saying time is self-existent. Imagine!
Scientifically or philosophically, time is not self-existent... They say it's a mystery to them but the creator of all things is what they dismiss based on things they don't understand

What is time to you? Define time without movement or space

isan:
I believe God exists but he doesn't interfere with human lifes , God didn't create any religion and he has never sent any mvtherfvcker to earth .

So what led you to the belief that God exists? Or are we to just take your word for it?

Maynthemayn:
That's what made it Possible for your to "self exist".

I am using it the right way, it's you that should rewind.

Universe means everything that existence, so why is your god needed when its also part of everything that existence?

Good insight. I'll answer for religionists. They'll say that this existence is obviously DESIGNED. Evolution and natural selection do not even start to explain the design.

DeepSight:
This is the way Christians always shout - "Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life!"
But a religion is indeed a way of life as well!

Nope. You got it wrong. Christians say Christianity is about following or trying to follow a person and having him as part of your life. Religion is following laws and rituals and commandments.

MaxInDHouse, you should also study this comment

DeepSight:
God is probably sexless. Even if in my private sensing the "first" vibration of existence is a feminine one.
Now, it is true that one may infer certain things about God, but that does not mean that God is truly knowable. For example, we say that God is transcendental - and yet, knowing that, only emphasizes that IT is beyond us to know.

Atheists are asking, why won't God show or indicate himself directly and clearly? He can because he is omnipotent. So why won't he?
What answer do you have for them?

DeepSight:
So you are a Christian, and in the very normal sense too.
Stop seeking to differentiate and distinguish yourself from other Christians - that is pride and ego and thus is of the Devil - Shaitan, also known as Iblis.

MaxInDHouse, study this comment