Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 6:43am On Feb 21, 2024*. Modified: 7:23am On Feb 21, 2024 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 5:11am On Feb 20, 2024*. Modified: 12:48am On Feb 21, 2024 |
jaephoenix: Psychiatry is a scientific domain, it doesn't rely on voodoo or any supernatural inputs. If you must rely on them, bring proof and not anecdotal evidence or hearsays These are scientists, including a doctor who had been in practice for 50 years! What evidence do scientists have that the universe exists as we perceive it? None! Well, if you can't even establish that, then everything else is based on preponderance of circumstantial evidence! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 5:04am On Feb 20, 2024*. Modified: 6:41am On Feb 20, 2024 |
jaephoenix: Do you have evidence of hypnosis actually working? See below. Bottom line, we could all be under some sort of cosmic hypnosis right now and and not know it. Only the best geniuses amongst us can somehow figure it out - which they did! Einstein says freewill is an illusion, the rest say we are very likely in some sort of simulation
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Family › Re: Judge Finds Out His Children Aren't His After 51 Years Of Marriage (video) by PoliteActivist: 6:46pm On Feb 19, 2024 |
Swagt101: Damn 
Can't they make DNA compulsory at birth to avoid these kinda scenarios, if not for the kidney needed this will remain unknown to the poor man...... imagine 51 years oo  Many people are walking around whose families are not their biological families I read of a woman who found out her grandfather was fathered by a neighbor! |
Family › Re: Elderly Man Heaps Praises On His Wife As She Arrives From Work (video) by PoliteActivist: 5:01pm On Feb 19, 2024 |
Jennyclay: If men can be praising us like this, sending us money every time and taking good care of us, Honestly there won’t be problem.
We ladies (old and young) like flattering words that would make our head swell and blush. We like to be pampered like eggs and carried like a pot made of clay. *Politeness* Not all ladies. Personally, it makes me suspicious. If na me my mind will be: "What has he done?" OR "What does he want?" OR "What is he afraid of?"  |
Romance › Re: How To Live A Better Life * by PoliteActivist(op): 4:48pm On Feb 19, 2024 |
lordnkem000: Sorry I took so long to respond and happy new week
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Romance › Re: How To Live A Better Life * by PoliteActivist(op): 2:53pm On Feb 18, 2024 |
lordnkem000: Sorry I took so long to respond and happy new week sweetie. I love them a lot, those quotes are really good and helpful. Hope you are having a great time? Always waiting to hear from you ma luv, pls stay safe and outta trouble honey Happy Sunday mah dahling. Can you believe I was banned in Romance section due to bot error? I politely quoted someone's offensive post. The bot left the offensive post and banned me! Unbelievable! Anyway, hope all's been well with you sweetie. Take good care
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Business › Re: What exactly Is The Benefit Of Floating The Naira? by PoliteActivist: 12:44pm On Feb 18, 2024 |
tonyson010: Blah blah blah.
Go convince uneducated or unexposed person with Ur lies. Dollar will reach 5000naira soon. And where is all that money being spent? Is it not in same Nigera? At 5000 most japa and importation will stop. The rich and those who engage in foreign will pay through the nose. Exportation of anything exportable will skyrocket. Wanton consumerism will be forced to end. Developed economies also have homeless, uneducated, unexposed and unlucky. Nigeria will finally be forced to do what they do - have meaningful safety nets for the extremely poor or be embarrassed with videos of people dying of hunger. Charities and international bodies will also step in as they do durring wars and extreme conditions. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 3:55pm On Feb 17, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Well, some of the questions are actually misplaced because they are the wrong questions asked in ignorance. I correct the questions by providing more clarify as I proceed.
Question 1 Well, they'll ask you, so God doesn't destroy those who insult him because he is good, soo why doesn't Satan destroy those who insult him?
Answer For clarity, God is long-suffering and would wait really long for the individual to repent before he or she is judged. He doesn't judge the individual out of hatred but for Justice. God loves man but hates the sins man commits. The insulter of God would still be destroyed when his cup is full. But God would wait very long for him.
Satan destroys those who insult him but he doesn't have the ultimate power to do so. He is a created being. He has no absolute power over man who is another created being like himself. If Satan would destroy someone, he'll first look for legal loopholes in the person's life, and then carry out the destruction by proxy.
...Especially as he is god of this word and heavenly God has to be invited and can't intrude.
For more clarity, Satan is the god of this world. He controls the affairs of the world, particularly its administration. Satan still has his limits in the life of man. He owns the world but he doesn't own man. I can own a house without owning the properties inside the house. You get the logic?A man must give himself out to Satan before Satan can claim ownership of the man and enter his life as he pleases. Men often hand over their lives to Satan through occultism. Satan can't destroy a man at will. Such an operation follows some rules. Question 2 They'll also say you paint God as being rather weak compared to God of OT.
Answer I think they ignorantly consider God in the Old Testament as wicked. They need some clarifications about that beyond the scope of this discourse. However, let me state here that God is extremely just, and what you see of God in the Bible are the results of His perfect justice. His methods of bringing justice in the Old Testament is different from that of the New because God divided time into 2 dispensations. Each dispensation has its purpose. We can't go into these in details but very briefly,
1. God in the Old Testament was showing man that He loves man especially those who do righteousness. God never destroys or bring evil on righteous people.
2. God in the Old Testament showed us that sin has SEVERE consequences. Even a nation or man that God so much loves is not spared the consequences of sin. God will severely judge sin, no matter who committed it. The judgement can be gruesome but it's part of Justice. God is a Judge. You don't call a judge a wicked man for sentencing a murderer to death, do you?
3. In the Old testament, God wanted man to see that the ability for him to do righteousness is zero. Man will still commit sin even in the midst of stringent laws that have grievous consequences. Consequences don't deter man. Man is helpless before sin because he has a sin nature from the Adamic fall. Man needs help. This is clearly demonstrated in the Old Testament.
4. In the new testament, after God has demonstrated the weakness of man and his need for a helper to overcome sin, God brought in Grace. Jesus the sinless man has to stand in the gap between God and man, and bear responsibility for man's sins since man cannot do without sinning. Man was not created that way. The inherent ability of Man to sin was given to him through the spirit of disobedience that Adam received when he ate the forbidden fruit. Man cannot do without sinning, hence, Jesus to the rescue. By Jesus, man can no longer face the consequences of his own sin because Christ paid for him. He then empowers man to live righteously through the help of the Holy Ghost.
The bottomline of it all is that, in the final judgement, man wouldn't have an excuse. There's no one judged to spend eternity in hell who'll be accusing God in his mind of being unjust or of not being given all opportunities to live righteously.
i. The Old testament man may say, "God knows we're weak when it comes to sin, yet he inputs our sins upon us whereas He knows that we do not have the ability to do righteousness." God would show old testament man the new testament people upon whom sin was not imputed but still rejected the offer and refused to embrace God's provision for righteousness. God needs righteousness in man for Him to relate with man. Man was created purposely for relationship and fellowship with God. God cannot ignore sin.
Ii. The new testament men might say, "Oh, we would have been more serious about righteousness if God has given us stringent laws with grievous consequences to deter us from sin." God would show them the new testament men who kept sinning and kept facing consequences without any restraint.
God is so just that even after judging you, He wants you to know that you're truly guilty of your sin, and your judgement is well deserved. Man wouldn't be able to blame God for the final state of his own soul. He'll know for certain that he got there by the choices he made. God cannot be blamed.
Question 3 Also God sees babies who'd be armed robbers and destroys them while saving those who'd help the world. Well they'd ask you who made them to be armed robbers and also why would God want to save those who'd help Satan's world.
Answer God doesn't make anyone armed robbers or pastors. Everyone becomes who he or she becomes by the choices he or she makes from time to time. God can direct a man's life to become an Engineer, a Doctor or a Pastor but the person may choose instead to become an armed robber or a kidnapper. It's the person's choice. God never created man as zombies who do things by being programmed to do it. Man does things by making the choices to do them. That's why man would be fully responsible for his own actions. God can see the future choices a baby would make.
By sparing a baby who'll bless the world in future, God is not preserving those who'll help Satan's world but rather, He's preserving those who'll DISRUPT Satan's activities in the world. Satan wants full scale evil and wickedness all over the world. God raises people who restraints him. People who'll do some disruptive good in the midst of a wicked world. Otherwise, the world would have been so unbearable to dwell in.
Also, it is wrong to say God destroyed the babies who'll be future Evils. Destruction comes from 4 sources: God, Man, Satan and Nature.
When there's a natural disaster, a man or a baby could be caught up if he or she has no defence. It's wrong to think God destroyed somebody because he fell victim of a mishap. Let me explain with a real life example.
When I was in Ilorin in 2016. A member of our church testified of how his daughter was miraculously saved from death. He said during the weak, their first born daughter, about 9yrs at the time was busy in the kitchen while the rest of the family were in the sitting room. The girl just left the kitchen suddenly and walked aimlessly into the parlor. The kitchen was somehow detached from the main building. You know those types of old houses. As soon as the girl stepped into the sitting room, they heard a loud noise coming from outside. When they went to check it out, the kitchen roof had given way and had collapsed into the kitchen. If the girl had remained there at the time, no doubt, she won't make it alive. This is a clear demonstration of the defense we all have. A Godless person is actually defenceless. His defences are removed. He is bare and spiritually vulnerable. However, Satan does not usually attack those because they're like pets in a cage that could could be taken out at anytime. They don't bear any threat to Satan, so they might even live peaceful lives until Satan is ready to take them out or a natural disaster befalls them. Anything can happen to them at any time. A Godly person is often seen as a threat to Satan , so attacks against him never stops. However,che has a defence. He can fall a victim of mishap if he chooses to be ignorant of his rights in God or fails to cultivate his ability to listen to his inner witness and hear God's instructions. Sometimes, the instruction might be to get off a bus 'A' ready to travel and enter into another empty bus 'B' awaiting passengers to travel. Such an instruction can save a man's life as the bus 'A' may never reach its destination. This explains one of the many reasons why on some occasions, godly people may be involved in calamities. Disobedience to instructions or inability to hear the voice of God. The very lack of spiritual sensitivity is the major reason why some righteous people suffer. This also couples with the lack of knowledge for many.
So mishaps can happen to people from either of 4 sources but a defended person is hardly caught up in them.
Question 4
About death. in the OT God punished people by shortening their lives and rewarded them by adding years, after which they were "gathered to their fathers." No inkling of death being a good thing. Even Lord Jesus never rejoiced at anybody dying and even wept when Lazarus died.
Answer I never said death is a good thing from any man's perspective. That's only from God's perspective. God wants us to come home and be with Him which means death, but He also recognizes that we desire long life here on earth. He gives that desire as a reward to good people or even as an expanded opportunity for a sinner or a wicked man to repent. He can however shorten the life of a righteous man in love, if He finds that the righteous man would soon make wrong choices in life that would erode his righteousness. King Hezekiah of Judah is a case study in this regard. Also, the Bible makes us to know that God does take away righteous men before the evil days come.
The Lord Jesus did weep for Lazarus because He was clothed with man's flesh and had the feelings of a man. He saw the emotions of Mary and Martha, and how sorely embittered they were in their souls. He was moved to compassion, not because He couldn't raise Lazarus or because He thought Lazarus was in some evil state. The dejected states of Lazarus' sisters was what moved Jesus. He knew before getting there that Lazarus was dead but He didn't weep until He saw Mary. God doesn't see death as an evil. A homecoming is not evil in anyway. He can use it as a punishment for wickedness by depriving the wicked man his most intense longing - long life. Death itself is not the punishment in this case but the cutting off of the man's desire. Like in the example I gave in my previous post. In reverse, the friends and relations around your loved one who travelled abroad might weep and start missing him or her when returning back home to you. Meanwhile, you are here rejoicing and eagerly waiting to receive the person. That's how the issue of death is between God and man. But to punish wickedness, God can cut take away the wicked man's desire for life. To reward righteousness, God can prolong a man's days by fulfilling his desire to live long. "DESIRE" is the major word here. "The expectations of the wicked shall be cut off."
Question 5 About suffering of the Jews, they'd ask you why the disciples who killed nobody suffered worse.
Answer This is supposed to be a very lengthy answer but I'll try as much as possible to be brief.
The disciples actually had a special case which God never explained. In 1 Corinthians 4, Paul said God had deliberately set it so for the apostles. However,it should interest you to know that the disciples themselves were fully aware that they would suffer martyrdom from the very beginning of their walks with God. Jesus Christ clearly told them without mincing words, and they fully embraced it with joy. Infact they eagerly awaited such a time when they'll offer their own lives. Not only that, they always had a pre-knowledge of the death they were about to die.
For example, when the two sons of Zebedee came asking Jesus to grant them special seats and positions in His eternal kingdom, Jesus asked them if they can partake of the cup He was about to drink. That cup was the crucifixion on the cross. The two guys responded in the affirmative. Jesus told them that they'll certainly drink. That's to say, they'll suffer martyrdom, but the right to sit in special places in His kingdom is already pre-ordained. All the disciples who suffered martyrdom knew they would. As the day approached, they had the pre-knowledge. They joyfully embraced it. Let's hear from Peter and Paul:
2 Peter 1:13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things"
Peter wrote this shortly before his martyrdom. He said the Lord Jesus made it clear to him. And he was very willing to give his life.
Let's hear Paul too.
2 Timothy 4:6-8 "6 For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing."
Paul knew very clearly that he was about to be martyred. He also embraced it with joy. All martyrs actually had a pre knowledge, both the direct disciples of Christ and all matyrs through church history. You can even read about the matyredom of Polycarp and several other matyre.
They were always given two choices by their executors, either to recant and live or to continue professing Jesus and die. They all chose death. Why? Maybe we can get some clues from the response of Polycarp when he was asked to recant and deny Jesus:
"Eighty and six years I have served Him, and He has done me no wrong."
Meanwhile, he was pre-informed by Jesus that he would be burnt alive. Very well said. But I have to constantly remind, I am playing devil's advocate for both sides. I give thanks with that family whose daughter almost died, though I have to point out such narrow escapes and near misses of death also happen to non-believers and some even hear warning voices or intuition (like woman below). What would we attribute those to? So if a righteous person dies young it is because God wants to reward him by bringing him home early to enjoy, never mind his desire for long life. And if he dies old it is because God wants to reward his desire for long life, never mind bringing him home early to enjoy. How about if a godless person lives a long fulfilled life and dies, as we often see, how did he escape both God's wrath as unbeliever, and Satan's wrath as a defenseless person? So God can see a baby will be an armed robber and destroys it, soo why allow it to be born in the first place? Isn't it easier to destroy it pre-conception? Also if God can intrude uninvited to destroy a future robber baby and save a future world enhancer baby, why can't he intrude and prevent a natural disaster or some torturous atrocities being committed by evil people? As for free will, that's actually in the heading of the thread. As you can see, Einstein believed it was an illusion, but let's analyze. So a person is given a certain type of brain, born to a certain type of parents, into a certain type of environment, goes through certain types of experiences. He chose non of those. Please explain how he can have free will outside those constraints. Example, a person is born into an environment that embedded in him from early childhood that Islam is good and Christianity is bad, and given the type of brain/mind that aligns with that and that is not amenable to change, where does he get the "free will" to later choose Christianity over Islam? The jews were also forewarned and died defending their faith and refusing to abandon their God. They also believed they were pleasing God and defending him when they were insisting Lord Jesus be crucified, whom they believed blasphemed and disrespected him - much like what Moslems do today! DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 8:19am On Feb 17, 2024*. Modified: 8:52am On Feb 17, 2024 |
WHO CARES TO READ THIS MAY LEARN SOMETHING Case For Spirit Release TherapyBy Dr. Alan Sanderson Spirit possession, according to contemporary science, is impossible, an outworn concept, of interest only to historians and anthropologists. Yet, here in 21st century, two psychiatrists are this evening* suggesting that spirit attachment, as it is now called, may actually be a common and an eminently treatable phenomenon. So what is going on? I can best respond by telling how I came to involve myself in the subject. Since I qualified as a doctor nearly fifty years ago, there have been tremendous advances in the practice of medicine. Every branch of medicine has been transformed - every branch, that is, except psychiatry. While there have been advances from improvements in drugs and the development of cognitive psychotherapy, the chief benefits have come from changes in the organisation and delivery of the service. Our understanding of the nature and causes of emotional disorder has advanced scarcely at all. The problems posed by people cutting themselves, abusing drugs and alcohol, suffering periods of depression or experiencing bizarre thoughts and behaviour, seem as great as ever, and we remain in almost total ignorance of the underlying causes. The biological approach, which a century ago appeared to hold out such hope for psychiatry, has run out of steam. Yet, because this remains the only scientifically ‘respectable’ approach, nothing new is being tried. Where should one look? I suggest that to look productively, we make a 180-degree turn, stand on our heads and scan a new vista! In 1992 I met a hypnotherapist who spoke persuasively about spirit possession and its treatment by hypnosis. He gave me a little book, ‘The Unquiet Dead’, by an American psychologist, Edith Fiore , which describes her pioneering hypnotherapeutic work: With the patient in trance, what appeared to be attached spirits were able to use the patient’s voice. Through honest negotiation, Fiore helped them to leave. My hypnotherapist acquaintance gave a convincing demonstration with one of my seriously ill patients. I was impressed. I decided to train in hypnosis and to learn spirit release therapy from Dr. William Baldwin . My training and practice soon convinced me that, whether or not one accepts the theoretical basis, spirit release is a quick and effective therapy. For some years I used spirit release therapy in the (Public) Health Service, but, as you can imagine, there were problems in using such an approach in the public service. Since leaving the Health Service in 1997 I have been working privately. I have treated hundreds of cases and I can say that spirit attachment, as it is now called, is a common condition for which, in many cases, there is an effective and safe treatment. Cases speak louder than any argument, but first, here are some clarifying points, seven in all, for your consideration: 1. I believe that consciousness is a phenomenon in its own right and is not simply the result of brain activity. While it is true that during bodily life, consciousness is closely linked with brain activity and largely dependent upon brain function, there are many observations which support the belief that consciousness survives bodily death and that during life it may, on occasion, operate independently. Examples are: near-death experiences, remote viewing, verifiable recollections of previous lives, mediumistic phenomena, the occurrence of unlearned language, and, of course, spirit attachment. The established scientific view that consciousness is a by-product of brain activity has had the effect of imposing a selective blindness on our thinking. Scientists don’t see the phenomena that everywhere challenge their paradigm, because the paradigm cannot contain them. Theory dictates focus, and focus dictates experience. Scientists have become as opinionated as the churchmen who refused to use Galileo’s telescope. The limitation on our worldview that this blindness imposes is depriving many areas, especially in complementary medicine, of the recognition and the funding that they deserve. Let us stay with this point; it is so important. Demonstrated. No one would suggest that he did wrong to pre-empt the proof. Spirits, we shall be told, are in a different category; accept them as a possibility and we would undermine the credibility of the accepted scientific paradigm. So what? Every scientific theory eventually outlives its usefulness. The many challenging observations mentioned above cry out for its revision. Must we for ever bow down before the questionable belief that the brain causes consciousness? 2. Reincarnation is another vital concept and a tenet of many world religions, particularly Buddhism and Hinduism. Excluded by the Christian Church at the Conference of Nicea in the 4th century, reincarnation is the dynamic structure that gives meaning to human life and experience. 3. What happens after the death of the physical body is crucial. Normally the soul goes to the Light and enters the spirit world proper. Not always, for it can stay on the earth plane, a misfortune for which there are many reasons. It may then attach to other human beings or to locations. 4. Such attached spirits may cause difficulties and ill health to those affected. 5. Spirit release can be achieved in many ways. Exorcism, practised as a religious rite, is the traditional method. Secular treatments are replacing exorcism and are ever more widely practised. Spirits are viewed not as evil, but as misguided and are offered compassionate help. There are two basic approaches, the Intuitive, which requires psychic awareness in the therapist, and the Interactive, in which the therapist helps the patient into an altered state of consciousness and then dialogues with the attached spirit, which uses the patient’s vocal apparatus to respond. 6. Spirit release has two aims: firstly, that the spirit must go safely to the Light; it is not enough simply to get rid of it. Secondly, the patient requires comprehensive healing. 7. That these aims can only be successfully achieved through the assistance of unseen spiritual help is acknowledged by all who do this work. DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 6:19am On Feb 17, 2024*. Modified: 8:40am On Feb 17, 2024 |
DeepSight: Now well done!
For this here, is one of the most apt and proper responses to the self existential argument I have always made. Indeed one would have expected a Lordreed to raise it, but he wouldn't because he doesn't really stop to ponder self existence and the thought development behind the concept. He rejects it beforehand.
Now I have a number of things to say to this.
1. When we speak of a self existent thing, we are talking about something that sits at the root of all reality, of all existence. Therefore do not make the mistake of thinking of it as necessarily something which directly gets up to be involved in special acts of creation such as creating a universe or a creature. It is rather a permanent factor which could not but exist, in other words a factor the non existence of which is impossible. And this is why infinite time is one such factor because it always necessarily exists. Here we do not speak of the scientific time which is simply a dimension of motion within this universe. We speak of that permanent time which does not move, which is still and infinite, and which may be described as the void into which events are interpolated.
2. Again dwell on the fact that the self existent things we speak of are so remote that we even dabble dangerously in attempting to discuss their nature, which is a point I cede to Lordreed when he says that all of these things are far beyond our capacity to know. So we must make room for that and limit ourselves to the little that some elementary logic and reasoning may permit us. And in that wise, let me use the sun as an analogy.
Imagine that the sun was a self existent thing. That it didn't have a beginning and will have no end, but was just there as it is. Now imagine the light it gives out as creation. So the sun, as it were, would not have to change in order to give out light. Giving out light is a function of its nature. Now please and please bear in mind that this is but a rough and speculative analogy, by no means exact to the point at hand but only intended to suggest that a self existent thing needn't be mutable in order to have and give out consequences of its nature.
3. So far, we have been speaking of these self existent things as impersonal forces. But what if, just what if, they actually have consciousness and agency. Because if they do, that would present the possibility that they can undertake definite actions without being mutable. In an analogous way to how you and I can do a single deed without changing the essence of our being.
Now frankly such forces being conscious takes us close to the religious idea of God, but not so close that it is an idea that must be thrown out with the bath water: because it has been suggested in philosophical thought and also in some scientific thinking as well that consciousness may be the fundamental building block of reality. See the double slit experiment and the way particles and waves act differently when observed as opposed to when not observed. This experiment suggested strongly that consciousness actually dictates reality.
All of this only affirms that nothingness does not exist.
As for those idiotic scientists such as Lawrence Krauss who attempt to say that something may come from nothing because of the behavior of virtual particles in a quantum vacuum, they are woefully wrong because even a quantum vacuum is not nothing. It contains low gaseous energy as you have correctly alluded.
I can't see anything disproved here. The idea behind "cogito ergo sum" is sound: the fact that you have thoughts demonstrates that there exists a being thinking those thoughts. This remains true even if the thoughts are an illusion because what that would mean is that there exists a being having that illusion. So it demonstrates to you, the thinker or the hallucinator, that at the minimum, you exist at some level or the other. Thanks 4 your erudite submission. Well done. Let me go straight to the points. (Let's remember, we have to be able to explain what we mean such that it makes logical sense to a lay person): A self-existent immutable element that's all by itself will stay self-existent, immutable, and all by itself forever. It cannot and will not suddenly START creating stuff outside itself no matter how remotely because there is no process by which it would start doing so. The operative word is "start". As far as time, infinite time is the eternal NOW, the present moment, which is the only time that really exists. But it has nothing to do with our discussion. Our discussion is about spacetime type of time that doesn't exist without change or movement. That's what we mean when we say eternal. You can't say "eternal in the past" and mean NOW type of eternal. As far as the sun anology, it doesn't have to be sun, it can be any unchanging thing with nothing else in existence with it. There is no mechanism by which it can start creating stuff (and we know creation of stuff suddenly started at a point). Well, if nothingness cannot exist and has never existed, then there is no talk of the universe arising from nothing. It would have arisen all by itself from the near nothing that was there. Cogito, while useful, is obviously faulty. Describe the "I" doing the thinking. You can't. (I came up with that one all by myself). It's only attribute is thinking. Therefore thinking exists - that's the only thing we can be sure about. So no one can come and tell us nothing exists - we are 100% sure thinking exists! But that's the only thing we are 100% sure about. Also, as I said earlier, the cogito statement is inherently faulty - you can't say you are trying to prove "I" exists and start the statement with "I" already existing! DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 4:25am On Feb 17, 2024 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 12:50am On Feb 17, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Honestly, I love these questions so much. These are the types of questions atheists are supposed to seek answers to before making erroneous conclusions about God. Hence I'll answer these questions and even more. I'll disregarded every other mention from this thread right now and focus on these questions because they're the main issues most atheists have with God.
Permit me to quote scriptures because if you ask questions regarding God, you can only see clarifications from what God has said about Himself and the explanations He has given concerning seemingly confusing events.
Question 1
Why do countless people die from natural disasters, diseases, wars, etc. including children, babies, even those still in the womb?
Answer
Very simple answer. People, including babies fall into diverse mishap because wicked forces are in control of man's world.
It was man's world. God created the world and handed man its absolute control. ABSOLUTE CONTROL. Man was the god of this world. He had control over the physical, natural and spirit realms.
When a farmer loses control of His farm, weeds and thorns would take over. The earth is Satan's property because man handed it over to him. Satan is the god of this world who controls all the happenings in the world. He has ABSOLUTE CONTROL. God would not interfere without being invited. It's a spiritual law. God isn't a lawbreaker. He doesn't break even the laws He has set by Himself. He can only intervene, not intrude, and that by invitation. Whenever God intervenes, it's called a miracle. A miracle is simply God's intervention in Satan's world to help a particular human or a group of humans. Once a tenant legally takes over a property, he becomes the lord of that property until his tenancy expires. The landlord cannot interfere, he can only intervene upon invitation. That's the simplest way to explain it. However, the issue is much more broader than that. Man has no words to explain some certain spiritual phenomenon. You need a personal understanding to grasp the scope of these things.
"The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.[/v]" Psalm 115:16
Man handed the earth over to Satan in Eden. Earth became Satan's property legally. It was supposed to be a perpetual transaction but God turned it into a form of finite tenancy by the coming of Jesus. Satan's ownership of the earth now has an expiry date
Luke 4:9-11 [b]"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant ALL THE KINGDOMS of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
You can hear the devil boasting that the world belongs to him because it has been given to him and therefore HE CAN EVEN GIVE IT TO ANYONE HE WANTS. Yeah, it was given to him by Adam through a spiritual transaction. Jesus didn't dispute that statement because He knew it was true.
A property owner has the right to do his property as he wishes. Jesus turned Satan's ownership into tenancy (This is another separate discussion on its own - very broad). The god of this world distributes what he wishes around the world. God won't interfere. It would make Him a God of illegality. He can only intervene when invited. However, if you are a faithful follower of God (not necessarily a church goer. When you see people dancing and praising God in church, among them are prostitutes, armed robbers, ritualists, satanists, cultists, etc. Not everyone in church is God's. God is not attracted to buildings. Buildings are for men even when they call it the house of God. God's house is man's heart.) A true follower of God is the only one to whom God has respect. Satan sits in so many hearts. God's men, and by extension, God's houses are relatively few.
1 John 5:19 "We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one."
God has His selected few in the midst of this perverse world. The rest of the world is under the control of the wicked one - Satan.
"Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” Revelation 11:15.
At the expiration of time, the Kingdoms of this world would BECOME the Kingdom of God and of Christ. Christ is the second Adam who would receive to Himself the restoration of the world on behalf of man.
Question 2 And why do some people deny and deride God daily and still live their full lives sometimes much better than others, while churches and mosques sometimes collapse or are attacked killing worshippers inside, sometimes including babies?
Answer
God is not an emotional Being. He works according to rules and principles. God does not get angry with you when you deride Him or throw Him insults. He looks mercifully on such because He knows they're ignorant. You'll see that in Jesus' response as He was nailed to the tree: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Those were not man's words. Those are divine words flowing out of the Devine nature. That's the nature of God. He gives the sinner all the opportunities he has in this world to repent until his time is up. God does not have the faintest evil thoughts in mind towards such persons. His principle is that justice would be served as soon as the fellow's cup is full. God doesn't judge people because he hates them. He judges them because that's justice. He earnestly wants a sinner to repent rather than face judgement. God will wait very long for the sinner to repent. That sinner would have no excuse when his cup is full.
Romans 2:4
"Or do you despise the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?"
Now, let's talk about why God looks on when churches are attacked and people get killed in church.
As I've said earlier, God is not interested in buildings. Sometimes, what people call the house of God are actually houses of Satan. A place doesn't become the house of God just because people worship there. Jesus wrote to 7 churches in the book of Revelation 2 - 3. Out of those 7 churches which were referred to by everyone as the gatherings of God's people and the Holy Houses of God, the Lord Jesus acknowledged just 2. Others where tagged synagogue of Satan by Jesus Himself while humans tag them houses of God.
Wherever there's calamity, many people would suffer, but God would give His select few a means of escape. This is applicable even to so called churches of God. God will give His own a means of escape.
God does not see babies as men see them. Men see babies in the present, God sees babies in their future. While you are looking at a young innocent beautiful baby, God may be looking at an armed robber, a hardened criminal, a prostitute, a murderer or a man of God, a great president, an outstanding scientist in the same baby. God will save babies that are worth saving even in the midst of dangerous calamities that take away adults. He knows the ones who'll bless the world in Adulthood. Take for example the case of a baby in Palestine who was found unscathed under the rubbles of a fallen house days after its family was annihilated by an Israeli strike to their home. Everyone knows that's a miracle. A Devine intervention. You don't need to look far before you'll find that God preserved the baby for a future. He considered her worth saving.
Let me add that God does not see death the way humans see it. Humans see death as a painful loss. It weighs heavily on the emotions. It's regarded as the greatest evil. God doesn't see death that way. God sees death as a simple transition from the ephemeral physical state to an eternal spiritual state. The spiritual state offers more benefits and pleasure than the physical state. To God, it's not evil to transit from the good to the better. Men see it as evil because they can't see beyond the physical. Some people would rejoice boundlessly if they're permitted to see the state of their departed loved ones. Especially babies. People who die in Christ in particular do not want a chance to return to this world. Death is not a termination of life. It is the real begining of the real life.
Well, it's understandable. You could grow emotional when your loved one is departing your country to another country. No matter whatever good the other country offers, your emotions would come to play when waving the person goodbye because you know you won't see him again for a long time to come. How much more when someone leaves the earth? Then, look at it, the friends in that other country are joyously and eagerly awaiting the the arrival of the same loved one you're getting emotional about. God rejoices when He sees someone coming home to Him. You cannot imagine how much God loves man.
Psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his faithful servants.
Let me add another question which you didn't ask:
Question 3
Why was God looking on when Hitler killed the Jews?
Answer
The Jews have suffered worldwide even before the holocaust. They were objects of mockery everywhere in the world. At the time, Jewish lives didn't matter. All sorts of calamities befell them. It has been so since AD 70 when the Roman Armies destroyed Jerusalem, and escaped Jews became vagabonds all over the world for almost 2 millennia.
However, they were the ones who brought the calamity upon themselves by their response when Pilate told them He wouldn't have his hands in the death of the innocent man Jesus. How did they respond?
Mathew 27:25 "All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”
That blood haunted them until Hitler. You can read stories of the pre-hitler sufferings of the Jews.
Note that God does not any longer count the physical Jews as His special people. His special people in the new testament are those who believe in His Son Jesus and follow Him faithfully. These are the spiritual Jews with whom God reckons today. The physical Jews have been discarded.
Romans 2:29
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
The spiritual Jew is the only Jew God recognizes today. That spiritual Jew is that black, white, blue or red man who is a true follower of Christ.
Well, these are just the fundamental answers to these questions. The answers are quite broader than these. So many things have been left unsaid due to the constraints of space and time. But to the genuinely curious individual, these answers provide an open door to more enquiries and research to get to the very depth of the answers. Once you understand, you'll discover that there are some things you cannot even express in words. Thanks for the lengthy write-up. Well, they'll ask you, so God doesn't destroy those who insult him because he is good, soo why doesn't Satan destroy those who insult him? Especially as he is god of this word and heavenly God has to be invited and can't intrude. They'll also say you paint God as being rather weak compared to God of OT. Also God sees babies who'd be armed robbers and destroys them while saving those who'd help the world. Well they'd ask you who made them to be armed robbers and also why would God want to save those who'd help Satan's world. About death. in the OT God punished people by shortening their lives and rewarded them by adding years, after which they were "gathered to their fathers." No inkling of death being a good thing. Even Lord Jesus never rejoiced at anybody dying and even wept when Lazarus died. About suffering of the Jews, they'd ask you why the disciples who killed nobody suffered worse DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 3:28pm On Feb 16, 2024*. Modified: 10:28pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
FRANCISTOWN: I didn't check the videos, 'cause I'm very sure what I'd meet there. Lemme use a bottom-up approach. As long as Einstein never credited his works and discoveries to any divine or mythical being. This argument is nullified.
The fact that Einstein kept a pen and a notebook beside his bed while he slept isn't that much of a big deal in the grand calculus of the universe because, during sleep our brain receives more body fluid, the first hours after waking up are the most optimal for doing productive work. Your brain creates and maintains pathways that are critical for memory formation and retention.
Many musicians have credited their works to a good amount of sleep.
When I was in school and I couldn't solve any physics or mathematical questions, I'd just go to sleep and by the time I wake, I'd be able to solve most of them.
Many preachers have credited their works to good sleep.
Therefore, this is as normal as shit. The brain is more productive, just after a sleep.
About hypnosis, we don't even need to talk much about this. Hypnosis has nothing to do with extra dimensions or any shit of such. Hypnosis basically is a memory recall. You can't undergo hypnosis and recall somebody else's memory, what happened in a different life time (Though one deluded professor who authored the book "many lives many masters" spoke a lot of bull crap. But I'nt worried about that). You can't undergo hypnosis and tell what is happening in another plane or another realm or another dimension because there are no such things.
I've said it once on this platform, I can't really remember who asked me the question, I think it was FxMasterz . He asked that since I don't believe in God, then I must base my life on science. I corrected the person that. I base my life based on my own common reasoning first, then "science", emphasis on the quotes. The reason is that science is a body of knowledge, and it's not the absolute truth. Though science has a pedigree. I can't believe everything scientists say. Even scientists disagree with scientists. So what are we saying?
Okay! Lemme tell you, there are some scientists who believe in something called the "keepers of the Deep". Some divers claimed to have encountered them. Yet some scientists don't. Some scientists believe in paranormal and even developed devices while some scientists don't regardless of the nonsense device they made.
Einstein propounded the determination of light bending since 1915. But many scientists were against it until the solar eclipse in 1919. You see, in this field of science. Whatever cannot be verified by the general populace is nothing but an anecdotal.
I saw from your other post that called my attention to this one that science has discovered that there are 4 other dimensions. This same science discovered something called "quantum equilibrium". Please read about it and see if that made any sense at all.
Now that everyone is trying to make a ground breaking discovery in the field of science, a lot of hypothesis flying around without proofs. What a joke!
I remain unimpressed until anyone can provide irrefutable proofs that are handleable.
BTW. The existence of several dimensions(which for now there isn't)does not in anyway corroborate that there is any God out there, especially the christian god. *Politeness* See? now it's your turn! Thanks 4 your "patience"! But Einstein did infact credit his works to such. Go back and read the OP again. See the quote below again, and juxtapose it with traits of an old soul. Not just Einstein by the way, many artists.have said same. *Terribly sorry, I'll reply the rest later. Business calls DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord * continuing About hypnosis, one video shows a man hypnotized whereby he couldn't remember his name. The other shows a man hypnotized where he couldn't recognize his friend and the fact he was under hypnosis was wiped from his mind whereby he didn't know he was ever hypnotized. The point is that a fellow human being can take control of a person's mind without the person knowing they are under control of anything. If a mere human can do that... About other stuff, you say you remain unimpressed until anyone can provide irrefutable proof. Well, there iis no irrefutable proof about anything in our reality including it's very existence. Everything is based on preponderance of circumstantial evidence.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 3:11pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
KnownUnknown: Lmao, maybe the absolute intangible was absolutely bored and decided to be absolutely creative thereby creating an absolutely intangible “root element of existence” where the universe came from. That's an idea, but absolute intangibles don't get bored. Boredom is anthropomorphic |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 3:06pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
DeepSight: I don't believe God has an image or any form. I believe that God is an absolute intangible. But an absolute intangible doesn't go about creating things. An absolute intangible stays an absolute intangible, minds it's own business |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 2:56pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
DeepSight: Remember the existence of God is an altogether different question from the benevolence or goodness of God. That's why I reply based on what I perceive as the person's view of God's existence or non-existence as the case may be. If you believe God created man in his own image. That's anthropomorphism, and I reply you based on that |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 2:31pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
FxMasterz: This is a wonderful exposition but unfortunately atheists would buy none of it. They would not subject themselves to God even if they saw Him face to face.
I have come to realize that for someone to become an atheist, he first has to fight off any thoughts of God's existent. It takes time for them to ingrain it firmly in their minds that there is no God. It's a deliberate act of manipulating the mind to believe a false reality. They actually don't want to acknowledge God, not because they think He does not exist but because they don't want to have anything doing with Him. It's a deliberate choice they made after falling prey to faulty logic.
I have heard Francistown if I'm not mistaking him for another, who said he would never even believe in God if God shows up to Him today, especially the Christian God. This actually is the position of most atheists. That's why they would do nothing to verify the existence of the supernatural even when it is happening close to their nostrils . They prefer to sit in their corners while telling themselves that everything they're been told about supernatural demonstrations in a nearby place is a lie. We've told them several times where they could go see the supernatural, they refuse to go. Maynman even avoided a one on one encounter with me.
Whatever supernatural occurrence or experience you narrate to any atheist, his first and only reaction is that you're lying. He pulls up very childish thoughts and asks so much irrelevant questions that reek of deep seated ignorance while commending himself for being intelligent when it's so obvious that intelligence is far from him. Intelligence itself is knowledge based. If you don't talk knowledgeably about spiritual things but only dismiss them as hoaxes, I'll consider you spiritually foolish. A spiritual barbarian. And of cause, that's how I view all atheists, especially the ones on this forum who pride themselves on calling others fools when they're the real fools.
As Brian Cox rightly said in the OP's excerpt, there are 10 dimensions (probably even more) out of which only 4 are known to man. Which means all scientific knowledge revolve around those 4 dimensions . There 6 known dimensions that remain unexplored. The conclusion that there's no God is a hasty conclusion based on the incomplete knowledge of the 4 dimensions which themselves have not been fully explored.
Oftentimes I've asked atheists like lordreed, maynman and jaephoenix a question which they always dodge, and I shall ask the same question here again against the backdrop of what Brian Cox said. Science is ever evolving and can not lay any claim yet to perfect knowledge or absolute knowledge. What science does not know is more than what science knows. That's why its grounds are always shifting. If science discovers the existence of God after you die, what shall be your fate? Science has been known to abolish previous theories and ideas in preference for new ones in the light of fresh discoveries. It's very foolish for anybody to rely on incomplete and imperfect scientific findings in absolution. Even staking your life on science that doesn't have the answers when you ask "What happens after death?"
Some scientists are getting to realize now that there is much likely to be some forms of consciousness or reality after death. That's very interesting because oftentimes scientific discoveries begin with some packets of non conventional ideas here and there until it becomes mainstream after being proven beyond reasonable doubt that those ideas provide authentic information. Most atheists are gambling their lives away in exchange for a painful eternal reality.
https://www.nyas.org/news-articles/academy-news/is-there-life-after-death/ Thanks for calling the write-up "a wonderful exposition", but remember, I am playing devil's advocate for both sides. So. how would you answer when they ask: Why do countless people die from natural disasters, diseases, wars, etc. including children, babies, even those still in the womb? And why do some people deny and deride God daily and still live their full lives sometimes much better than others, while churches and mosques sometimes collapse or are attacked killing worshippers inside, sometimes including babies? How would you answer these? DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 1:51pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
FRANCISTOWN: You cleverly avoided my response on the other points and you tagged me to this.
As much as I'm burning to knock you out of this point, I will not do that. I can't let you have a control over this discussion. You can't get me at where you want me to be. *Politeness* I just checked. Sorry, FxMasterz is next. I'll reply you right after him |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 1:35pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
FRANCISTOWN: You cleverly avoided my response on the other points and you tagged me to this.
As much as I'm burning to knock you out of this point, I will not do that. I can't let you have a control over this discussion. You can't get me at where you want me to be. *Politeness* Noo, I'll still respond to you. It is one at a time. His reply to me was before your own. I tag everyone on some posts simply because I assume that, like me, most people only read their mentions. It avoids repetition. I think you're next to reply to. Let me check DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord |
Business › Re: What exactly Is The Benefit Of Floating The Naira? by PoliteActivist: 12:15pm On Feb 16, 2024*. Modified: 1:45pm On Feb 16, 2024 |
tonyson010: Rushing to mention China. Oga property keep loosing value because of inflation and constant devaluation. Let naira remain stable for 5-8 years then Ur analysis will make some sense. Stop deceiving people with Ur investment analysis when international companies are folding up in the country because of govt policies ( mostly devaluation). 10$ brought in as investment 5years ago was about 4400Naira, Now if u change it to dollar it at rate of 1450, it is less than 4$.
Countries don't float currency without strong mechanisms of control. darediamond: China export processed or finished Goods while Nigeria export Raw and or Natural Resources which we are not even the one that determines there prices.
Currency Devaluation helps developed Nations not chronic under-developed Nations which Nigeria is one of. Do not let the IMPERIALIST FOOL YOU LIKE THE DID WITH SOME OF OTHER AFRICANS. *Politeness* You folks only focus on the short term downside. How about all the benefits I mentioned: no more rountripping, blackmarketing, the inherent corruption, japa of our youth, brains, visa and flight ticket money, etc. And how did we get here? Is it not through defending naira? Do you realise to what extent Nigerians at home will be going to earn in dollars? Add to that those in the diaspora working harder and taking more risks (419, drugs, yahoo). All that money will ALL be spent in Nigeria. A friend was going to buy something for me when returning from abroad, but due to currency float she told me it is better to buy it in Nigeria. The multiplier effect is much. I don't see how Nigeria can possibly lose in the long run. See below, what I was saying. This person has already found "ways" darediamond: The looser is ULTIMATELY NIGERIA!!
What are Developed Nations Buying from Nigeria? Finished Goods or Raw Materials?
I am counteracting this senseless Devaluation by trading USD without unneeded leverage RIGTH on Binance. I USDT with NAIRA after the Market daily Closure and sell it when it opens while at it peak time which spans between 2pmm and 6pm Nigerian Time |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 10:56am On Feb 16, 2024 |
DeepSight: This is too scattered and all over the place. When did science prove ten dimensions please. When did you demonstrate that nothing is something. How and when was "cogito proven wrong?" *Politeness* Well, it seems all over the place because I'm playing devil's advocate for both sides.  By the way I was reading some of your debate with LordReed. Ouite erudite of you, except that "anthropologic" instead of anthropomorphic (Knownunknown was mocking you for it😆). As for the debate itself, unlike Reed, I can logically refute your central point (Which is why I always defeat him!  ). And I thought this up all by myself. I didn't read it anywhere or told it by anybody.Here goes (and don't read anything about my faith from any of it; it is purely intellectual): An immutable element cannot trigger mutability without itself suddenly becoming mutable. Same applies to all corollaries of it: a self-existent cannot and will not suddenly start creating unless triggered either by change within itself or compelled by an external element. The other possibility is that the "creation" is within the self-exitent itself and have always been there. As for nothing being something, well try imagining nothing. You can't. So we go abstract. "Nothing" in the abstract, which is the absence of anything, is still part of fabric of reality itself, a manifestation of existence - something! Also, in quantum mechanics nothing is really something. "Vacuum energy" exists in nothing. The energy is not from particles or anything. As for cogito, I was expecting you to ask how when I told you it was disproved but you kept mute. It was proved wrong not long after Descartes expounded it. Here goes. You can't prove the existence of something by starting with the assumption that the thing already exists. Thus the statement should be: "There is thinking therefore I am", which of course doesn't make any sense. KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 4:07pm On Feb 15, 2024*. Modified: 5:31pm On Feb 15, 2024 |
DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord *Politeness* Sooo, why is everybody quiet? Bearing in mind that science has demonstrated that there are at least ten dimensions and possibly a thousand more (but we can only perceive 4, four!!, geniuses that we are), and being neither on the side of atheists nor religionists, I want to present the following screenshots. Also: Since we have demonstrated that nothing is still something, why can't the universe come from that nothing that is something, and that nothing itself be eternal? Why is there something instead of nothing? All these people that have had supernatural experiences, where do they come from? Like this woman below, where are those voices from? All these "glitches in the matrix", why do they occur? The two guys, you never asked how cogito was proven wrong - sign of intellectual non-curiosity!
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 2:02pm On Feb 15, 2024 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 9:38am On Feb 15, 2024 |
HellVictorinho6: Should i drop account details?
Perhaps, u can help me with 5M?
Or
 *Politeness* Now you're talking. I'll have my lawyers draw up the papers. What are you bringing to the table? |
Business › Re: What exactly Is The Benefit Of Floating The Naira? by PoliteActivist: 9:30am On Feb 15, 2024 |
darediamond: What are Developed Nations Buying from Nigeria oooo? Keep sleeping!! *Politeness* They don't don't really have to buy anything. We just have to stop buying so much from them and look inwards for our needs. Also all the money spent on japa and the attendant brain drain and youth drain. Though you'd be surprised how much food we export. darediamond: The looser is ULTIMATELY NIGERIA!! How?? Also China is devaluation. We're only trying to float. That's why everything is made in China! |
Business › Re: What exactly Is The Benefit Of Floating The Naira? by PoliteActivist: 2:47am On Feb 15, 2024*. Modified: 3:03am On Feb 15, 2024 |
tonyson010: No sense in all. Why do people go to invest in UK and USA?? An investment of N200,000 last year is worth less than N150,000 now assuming the company is making profit o. U don't rush to invest in place where money is floating and falling like packs. Zimbabwe, Venezuela and co are examples. In Nigeria, Naira will keep falling because govt is not providing many basic things to help investment or productivity. As much as there is high insecurity... Inflation will keep eating up everything. *Politeness* What do you understand as "invest"? It includes lands and buildings and buying anything that's for sale because currency will makes it cheaper than where they are (which is how China maintains a trade surplus with most countries). Also vacations and very long vacations, insecurity or not (that's just human nature) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 12:36am On Feb 15, 2024 |
HellVictorinho6: Can u help me with 100k?
Please  I don't deal with such low amounts. I'll forward to my subordinates, see what they can do 4 ya |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 12:25am On Feb 15, 2024 |
HellVictorinho6: U dodged my request 4 money
U preferred to add to my ordeals with needless repetitions
 *Politeness* When u ask a billionaire for money and you are serious, you have to mention an amount. Otherwise how can I take you serious??😎 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Einstein On Freewill; Atheists & Religionists Respond * by PoliteActivist(op): 11:35pm On Feb 14, 2024 |
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Business › Re: What exactly Is The Benefit Of Floating The Naira? by PoliteActivist: 11:28pm On Feb 14, 2024 |
AkpaMgbor: So the ingredients for the soap will come from where? Or you want them to go back to potash soap? *Politeness* Sooo, before them we didn't wash clothes. This exactly illustrates it: China will make soap that you can make yourself and sell it to you cheaper than you can make it (even after you add transportation and middlemen mark-up) solely because they devalued their currency. Soon you become addicted to their soap and forget that you can even also make soap! You really think if imports were totally banned we will die off?? |
Health › Re: Russia Preparing To Launch Cancer Vaccines - Putin (Photos) by PoliteActivist: 9:16pm On Feb 14, 2024 |
AdolfHitler1945: me stuck in germany no leave becase bad democrcy not let me leave this stinky country to go fight for glorius motherland *Politeness* Please explain to us how "bad democrcy" is preventing you from leaving Germany! |