₦airaland Forum

DeepSight:
This is too scattered and all over the place. When did science prove ten dimensions please. When did you demonstrate that nothing is something. How and when was "cogito proven wrong?"

*Politeness*
Well, it seems all over the place because I'm playing devil's advocate for both sides.
By the way I was reading some of your debate with LordReed. Ouite erudite of you, except that "anthropologic" instead of anthropomorphic (Knownunknown was mocking you for it😆). As for the debate itself, unlike Reed, I can logically refute your central point (Which is why I always defeat him!).
And I thought this up all by myself. I didn't read it anywhere or told it by anybody.
Here goes (and don't read anything about my faith from any of it; it is purely intellectual):
An immutable element cannot trigger mutability without itself suddenly becoming mutable. Same applies to all corollaries of it: a self-existent cannot and will not suddenly start creating unless triggered either by change within itself or compelled by an external element. The other possibility is that the "creation" is within the self-exitent itself and have always been there.

As for nothing being something, well try imagining nothing. You can't. So we go abstract. "Nothing" in the abstract, which is the absence of anything, is still part of fabric of reality itself, a manifestation of existence - something!
Also, in quantum mechanics nothing is really something. "Vacuum energy" exists in nothing. The energy is not from particles or anything.

As for cogito, I was expecting you to ask how when I told you it was disproved but you kept mute. It was proved wrong not long after Descartes expounded it. Here goes. You can't prove the existence of something by starting with the assumption that the thing already exists. Thus the statement should be: "There is thinking therefore I am", which of course doesn't make any sense.

KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord

DeepSight, LordReed, KnownUnknown, HellVictorinho6, francistown, FxMasterz, jaephoenix, maynman, hopefullandlord

*Politeness*
Sooo, why is everybody quiet?
Bearing in mind that science has demonstrated that there are at least ten dimensions and possibly a thousand more (but we can only perceive 4, four!!, geniuses that we are), and being neither on the side of atheists nor religionists, I want to present the following screenshots.

Also:

Since we have demonstrated that nothing is still something, why can't the universe come from that nothing that is something, and that nothing itself be eternal?

Why is there something instead of nothing?

All these people that have had supernatural experiences, where do they come from? Like this woman below, where are those voices from?

All these "glitches in the matrix", why do they occur?

The two guys, you never asked how cogito was proven wrong - sign of intellectual non-curiosity!

HellVictorinho6:
Philosophy

Example

HellVictorinho6:
Should i drop account details?

Perhaps, u can help me with 5M?

Or

*Politeness*
Now you're talking. I'll have my lawyers draw up the papers.
What are you bringing to the table?

darediamond:
What are Developed Nations Buying from Nigeria oooo?
Keep sleeping!!

*Politeness*
They don't don't really have to buy anything. We just have to stop buying so much from them and look inwards for our needs. Also all the money spent on japa and the attendant brain drain and youth drain.
Though you'd be surprised how much food we export.

darediamond:
The looser is ULTIMATELY NIGERIA!!

How??
Also China is devaluation. We're only trying to float.
That's why everything is made in China!

tonyson010:
No sense in all.
Why do people go to invest in UK and USA??
An investment of N200,000 last year is worth less than N150,000 now assuming the company is making profit o. U don't rush to invest in place where money is floating and falling like packs. Zimbabwe, Venezuela and co are examples.
In Nigeria, Naira will keep falling because govt is not providing many basic things to help investment or productivity. As much as there is high insecurity... Inflation will keep eating up everything.

*Politeness*
What do you understand as "invest"? It includes lands and buildings and buying anything that's for sale because currency will makes it cheaper than where they are (which is how China maintains a trade surplus with most countries). Also vacations and very long vacations, insecurity or not (that's just human nature)

HellVictorinho6:
Can u help me with 100k?

Please

I don't deal with such low amounts. I'll forward to my subordinates, see what they can do 4 ya

HellVictorinho6:
U dodged my request 4 money


U preferred to add to my ordeals with needless repetitions

*Politeness*
When u ask a billionaire for money and you are serious, you have to mention an amount. Otherwise how can I take you serious??😎

HellVictorinho6:
Congrats

Addiction

*Politeness*
Meaning?

AkpaMgbor:
So the ingredients for the soap will come from where? Or you want them to go back to potash soap?

*Politeness*
Sooo, before them we didn't wash clothes. This exactly illustrates it: China will make soap that you can make yourself and sell it to you cheaper than you can make it (even after you add transportation and middlemen mark-up) solely because they devalued their currency.
Soon you become addicted to their soap and forget that you can even also make soap!
You really think if imports were totally banned we will die off??

AdolfHitler1945:
me stuck in germany no leave becase bad democrcy not let me leave this stinky country to go fight for glorius motherland

*Politeness*
Please explain to us how "bad democrcy" is preventing you from leaving Germany!

AdolfHitler1945:
Putin my lord i will fight in the russina army under your contol please russia number 1 russia number 1 russia number 1 wagner shouldnt havr rebled i love russia russia is best cpuntry america bad russi= ukraine=

*Politeness*
Why not go? Just asking

*Politeness*
The same way they found "cure for Covid" b4 anybody even sure what was Covid. We remember!

regenerateman:
Your analysis is good, but Nigeria will not benefit, rather it will increase hardships in the country. We don't export to other countries. We rather import. Assuming that we export, the floating of naira would have made our exports cheap and import dare. In the long run bringing in alot of forex. This is reason why US always accused China of devaluing her currency thereby many Americans buy more Chinese goods at a cheap price and at the same time making Chinese buy less American goods bc of higher prices.

*Politeness*
We don't necessarily have to export, we just have to stop importing (because price for foreign-related is too high). Example, foreigners don't have to japa here, we just have to stop japaing to their countries to benefit. I read where people were complaining that their japa has evaporated due to floating - but saving the country brain drain, youth flight, and visa and flight money!
But we are talking floating not devaluing as in China. Most products from China you consider so cheap cost the original buyer from China ⅛ of what you paid, wholesale!

Most people will no longer be able to afford anything foreign and be forced to look inwards. So also most foreign travels will cease. Those in diaspora will be comming home to buy, invest, and vacation - no matter the amount of insecurity (that's just how people are), foreign countries will look for ways to assemble products in Nigeria. Then there is remote work, online work, outsourcing,etc. Nigerians will device all sorts of ways to make dollars!

Marpol:
LoL! That's your response?

*Politeness*
It's not a bad response. Those are hard, long-process things to do. If I were a dictator, I'd peg the Naira at 500 per $, BUT no importation of any kind except raw materials for local industries. Only local-made will be used in Nigeria. But I know other countries will cry fowl - why would they allow us access to their markets if we don't allow them access to ours

t2luv1:
Okay, let us cut to the chase partner. The USA supports the dollar indirectly, how? by increasing the yield on the Treasury Notes. The 10-year T-Bills yield is actually what trends very closely to the mortgage rate. They will increase the yield to draw foreign capital to buy their debt, which in essence serves two purposes 1. Finance the country's debt, 2. Provide artificial liquidity support to the dollar. With a budget deficit of close to 34 Trillion Dollars USA is now a country too big to fail. Nigeria shouldn't have floated the Naira, the same bankers advising Nigeria to float her currency just happened to be shortening the currency. They are all betting against the Naira. To correct this, peg the currency to varying bands of N700 - N1000. This will in the short term lead to higher borrowing rates, but overall bring down inflation and cut food prices.
Provided the country can reduce the cost of governance, 65% of Nigeria's budget goes toward governance like paying Senators, House of Reps, and so forth.

And where will you get the forex to peg at 700 - 1K. Also there'd be plenty of Naira chasing the undervalued dollar. Where will you get the dollars to satisfy such demand. So you have to deal with aboki blackmarketers and round tripping of govt insiders and hoarding and most diasporan remittances never reaching the country, and people preferring foreign because of cheap dollar therefore domestics suffering, and, and, and!

HellVictorinho6:
Now video game madness equals cosmic bala blu but never equals everyday bunkum which u take as a proof of same universe bulala yet equal to newtonian shit


Like even the concept of a video game arose from the everyday crap u claim is below whatever balderdash

*Politeness*
Assuming we are in a simulation is akin to video game. Infact the most ardent proponents that we are in a simulation are video game designers like Elon Musk. They can easily see how those video game characters can be given "free will" and think that's reality!
Watch this:
https://youtube.com/shorts/-gIcpOeis0k?si=Sp9MzzF7yhC-fUST

surgical:
This theoretical, why have uk ,us other countries devalue their currency or don't they want prosperity like you deserve, its because it doesn't work that way
It is just grammar floating is devaluation it's same thing coined in another way, they both achieve same thing, and this market forces you guys alway talk about does not always allocate efficiently ,reason no serious government leaves the value of its currency to the vagries of market forces
My last line on this ,the experiment the voodoo economy has always advocated has been implemented now, we are waiting to see the eldorado it will bring, I hope they won't change the narrative latter after seeing the irreparable damage the ill coincided idea is
I just hope in the long run we are not all dead
Because they are going to be telling us the eldorado is in the long run

Well.people are already complaining, complaining o, that floating has reduced the rate of japa. Keeping our youth and brains and visa money here is a bad thing!.
If Nigeria were blockaded, no imports, only exports, what do you think will happen? Do you think Nigerians will die off?
Countries can't just devalue anyhow - it is like reducing your price to beat the competition - they will reduce their prices too! (Or they will buy up your supply and hoard to sell back to you when you run out!) Also see below

HellVictorinho6:
U are using time again

Then u say no existence b4 our simulation,then gudnez gracious.

Yet the simulation points at whoever...in existence thatz independent of tha simulation.

Is it bcuz u have murny to waste?

*Politeness*
Cosmic language and also language near the speed of light are not same as everyday language. Newtonian physics and language works fine for our every day affairs.
From the perspective of a character in a video game reality and existence begins and ends in that reality. He doesn't know he's in a video game and asking what was there before the computer was switched on makes no sense.

aviara:
It is compete foolishness to justify devaluing the naira because China does same. china and Nigeria are not in the same class in so many areas. Industries don't run on generator in China, China has enough productive capacity that can serve one third of the world's population. So devaluing their currency is strategic to boost their economy. In the case of Nigeria devaluing the naira causes inflation because farmers are selling all their goods to neighbouring countries causing food shortage and inflation.

Nigeria is floating while China is devaluing.
Who will the farmers of those countries sell to?

surgical:
floating and devaluing is the same thing at least from the effect
We have been devaluing in Nigeria or aiming at proper value for the naira for a long time and we have never achieved what they preach we will get if we take the prescription I wonder why our leaders still fall for same bull shit
To move away from monoproduct, we must diversity, Starr from product we have comparative advantage in
We mustn't put the cart before the horse as we have done,the country is a going concern is not dieing anytime soon,why take hasty decisions, proper thoughts must be put Into our policy formulation,and government should endeavour to avoid voodoo economist at all cost,they are bad news always

Nope, floating iis not devaluing at all. Let's say the true market value is $1=N2K, and the government intentionally pegs it at $1=N3K, that's devaluation. Most people will no longer be able to afford anything foreign and be forced to look inwards. So also most foreign travels will cease. Those in diaspora will be comming home to buy, invest, and vacation - no matter the amount of insecurity (that's just how people are), foreign countries will look for ways to assemble in Nigeria, remote work, etc. Nigerians will device all sorts of ways to make dollars!

surgical:
What you are saying is theoretical, we've seen the devastating effect of such policy,our voodoo economist always forget their parlance cetris paribus when postulating
They just copy and paste
China that is devaluing, we don't have same environment and values, so we can't get same result, e.g their leaders are less corrupt,they put their nation first unlike our own,they have highly developed infrastructure that can aid production,their government supports their industries big or small with whatever they need,the have adequate factors of production,men, capital, technology, enabling environment
Above all they have mirages of products to export to generate the required forex
Unlike Nigeria that is a monoproduct country, who doest even have control over the price of the product or even quantity to produce
How is such a country going to benefit from devaluation or floating, impossible

But we are talking of floating NOT devaluation as China practices. Do you know some products you buy made in China and be wondering how they can be so cheap were bought in China for 20% of what you paid?!
And how do you think Nigeria will be forced to stop being a monoproduct country dependent on imports?

LordReed:
Are you going to say anything more than say Matirx, quote Einstein and fanboy Musk?

*Politeness*
😅 We are are just having an intellectual discussion, after having established the fact that we know almost nothing. There's possibly a super being hypnotist somewhere laughing hysterically at how stupid our "intellectual" discussion is

DeepSight:
What do you mean by "everything" and how will that exclude "our particular reality?"

Everything, excluding nothing
Let's say we're in a computer program that was launched 13.8 billion years ago (from our perspective). Our entire notion of reality and existence is within that computer program. But of course outside the program there is a whole different kind of reality - there are people going to work, giving birth, etc.

DeepSight:
No, there would have been the simulator. Still a pre existent thing. And from our view, from the view of those within the simulation, the simulator would be transcendental and beyond time and space.
See?

But it is outside reality, outside existence. Existence to us is our simulation, and from our perspective, before our simulation, well there is no before our simulation

HellVictorinho6:
how can u be sure the universe exists when u say it was preceded in the absence of time?

DeepSight:
To be honest, the only thing that a human being can really know absolutely is "cogito ergo sum."

😆 Cogito that has been proven wrong a long, long time ago

DeepSight:
It is very true that we are terribly handicapped in this matter and that, by the way, is why it is good to be agnostic generally, as stated by the OP, Politeactivist. It is also wise and signals the right humility which we should have in light of our smallness in the vastness of the cosmos.

However the question of inferring that a self existent element must exist for anything to exist at all is a matter of pure deductive and inductive logic. It is not the sort of thing for which some sort of physical evidence can or should be produced.

LordReed:
I want to know why you think it must be the case. Show me how you eliminate every other possibility to land on this one.

How about the possibility that everything has always existed but our particular reality was launched 13.8 billion years ago

DeepSight:
In truth our reality could only be a simulation if one ponders the matter deeply. However that changes little and its best to approach this discussion without that supposition, at least at the earliest stages of engagement.

*Politeness*
You really believe it changes little? If this is a simulation then the question of what was there before the simulation was launched makes no sense from perspective of those in the simulation, because there is no before that.. From perspective of us in the simulation (which, from our perspective, was launched 13.8 billion years ago) we can only say that reality did not exist before our simulation was launched. It was less than nothing: there was no reality, no existence, no nothing!

philos:
What does Nigeria have that they'll sell to other countries?
That's why one of the Presidential Aspirants was prioritizing "production" over "consumption", and we ignored him because of where he's coming from.

We don't necessarily have to sell, we just have to stop buying because price for foreign-related is too high. Example, foreigners don't have to japa here, we just have to stop japaing to their countries

just2endowed:
You have almost solve the puzzle. China can float their currency because China has great export in trade than import.
If you ask tinubu if he understood the economic technicalities behind floating a currency, I believe he doesn't have a clue.
Back.

For a country to float her currency, export must be greater than import. The balance of trade must be in surplus, investment confidence in a country must be all round positive, security and local production must substitute foreign goods, etc. If all these are in place, then naira cam compete head to head with other currency

See below

Blitzking:
..why do we then av to use force to open their warehouses after purchasing all the food..since its chicken change to dem .

*Politeness*
Meaning?
The only problem will be middle men. Take China for example. Do you know some things you buy from China and be wondering how they can be so cheap have already been marked up ×5 by middle men (traders)? That's the magic of currency devaluation. That's the only way those things can be so cheap

Blitzking:
To be a fair judge I shouldt then have the right to go to the room they av paid to store good and cry hoarding of food..when a foreigner with 10 million dollars creates artificial scarcity and make us beg for crumb of bread for 10k per piece.

They can't create artificial scarcity of what you make and can always make more. They can only make scarcity of something like land, which you can make very expensive for a non-citizen to buy and continue owning